Even though the sherp got stuck, I'd put that down to driver error. Anything can get high centered, so for me the sherp wins as an all-around vehicle in mud and water and most terrain scenarios. Sherp ftw...
I like the fact the front wheels steer the Lesnik conventionally instead of the "joystick" steering of the Sherp. Now put the tires from the Sherp onto the Lesnik.. BOOM! Winner!
The Sherp has two-lever steering, just like about every other ski-steer machine. There were a handful that tried something like a steering wheel or a handlebar. Most, though, have two levers or switches (the D-10J Cat has finger switch control, others as well). For example, the Bobcat loader has one lever on each side of the operator's body. Most Caterpillar 'dozers have two levers right in front of the driver. The Sherp has two levers just to the left of the operator that are slightly reminiscent of a multi-engine airplane's throttle quadrant. Want the steer-ability and road capacity of the Lesnik? Well, you're gonna have to put chains on to keep up with the Sherp. Want the paddle-wheel traction of the Sherp? Be ready to tear up the road and your tires when you try to drive on a road. Also, get a ticket and maybe loose your Sherp. Right now, I'm looking into the road-legality of the Lesnik, so far, with little success. Maybe as a farm vehicle in Russia, not so far as a road machine in the USA. The Sherp will have severely limited legal use almost everywhere in the USA. It's either too wide or too heavy for most off-road jurisdictions, and it's in no way road legal. That limits it to private land use. So, go crazy you super rich guys who own vast tracts that you can afford to keep naturally fallow.
No difference in their performance, during this video. I think if you put paddle tires on the letsnik you wouldn't see any difference in their performance
Is the Lesnik meant to be road legal? If so, might I offer some off-road advice to counter the more mild tread: Chains. Maybe they wont work as well with wrinkle-wall low pressure tires at speed, but as far as I can see, you guys never break 8kph.
Didn't expect that. Sherp ofcourse...its got crazy all terrain paddle tires but that other thing might as well of had slicks and it did the same thing!
Nicholas Hill Ya that was impressive,I thought the Sherp had it easy but not so much-if the Lesnick as you suggest had more Sherp like tread design it would be crazy.
@@1urantian Having had restored and played around with more than one old classic snowmobile, with different design concepts in use before they figured out what works best, I think I can fairly definitively say that such a track-on-the-belly idea will not work. Well, no better than full length caterpillar tracks would at any rate. Consider that the tires will have dug down through soft, wet, low grip material. How much more grip will a belly track make? I'm of the opinion that whatever surface isn't making traction should be out of the way. Barring that, what surface is left should be given the least drag on contact (look at the use of "front mud flaps" on mud bog racers). Barring that, whatever is left should slide the easiest. look at "XXX" skidplate manufacturers, for example. Yeah, if you happen to match a belly tread to the speed the vehicle is traveling, you may have at least as good a result as a slick skidplate, but at what cost of complexity and limitation (will that track be spinning as the vehicle drives down the open road)? [edited to fix a dumb grammatical error, I'm sure others abound]
В этом автомобиле просто НЕЧЕМУ ломаться, он НЕ НУЖДАЕТСЯ в техническом обслуживании и вы экономите КУЧУ денег на ОТСУТСТВИИ ремонта и постоянных отладок сложных механизмов. Более того, даже если что-то сломается вы всегда сможете это почтить с помощью камня, мата и молотка. То есть БЕЗ сложной техники.
I want to see the interior of the 2, the back and the front... on the sherp you can have 2 people in front on the Lesnik you can't. but I want to add, it is a very cool video.
Me to.. I've been looking for a platform to use to build a completely self contained 4, 6 or 8 wheel drive or tracked unit to build into a camper unit, something I don't need to pull a trailer with. So far my short list includes, Deuce and a half, Tatra 6x6, Hemtt 6x6, and a few Russian tracked personnel carriers. But this Lesnik seems big enough for 2 - 3 people to camp quite comfortably if set up right.
@@rhodium1096 Much less expensive than the Sherp then..Like well under 1/2 of a Sherp.. If the Lesnik is that reasonable in comparison Id bet a guy could swing a deal with the manufacturer to credit a guy on the tires the Lesnik comes with and do a severe upgrade to more along the lines of what the Sherps running for kicks ..Hmmmmm
Ну, наконец-то "Шерп" все-таки застрял на сучке бревна. Смешно! :) "Лесник" более бюджетная версия с давней историей создания. Для охоты и среднего бездорожья сойдет. Дизайн, отделка и обзор внутри кабины мне больше нравится у "Лесника". зато "Шерп" всепроходимый вездеход.
...не "все" и не "везде" проходимый, хотя благодаря шинам очень достойные результаты, поэтому они свои шины и не продают. Одеть их хотя бы на этого лесника и думаю шерпу пришлось нервно покуривать...
чудо водители на дорогущей чудо технике мучаются с обычной лесовозной колеёй, где проходит обычный уазик, а по факту для этих вездеходов стихия это болота, водоёмы, ледники и лесные тропы данную местность лучше проходить на хорошем внедорожнике )
I'd say overall the Lesnik is slightly better then the Sherp. If it can run like that with those tires (experienced driver?), I'm impressed. ;-) What makes the Lesnik better in my opinion is its more refined look, thus it I feel the engineering is superior. I'm sorry, despite its capabilities the Sherp looks thrown together (I thought it was a prototype).
Yep! In my opinion "Lesnik" is more good and complex design than "Sherp". But "Sherp" is more good vehicle than "Lesnik". But price of "Lesnik" is more good and low than "Sherp".
You mean to say.... after spending $180 thousand dollars, or more, all they can do is louse up the peace and quiet of the woods, and get stuck? Come-on, I know God gave all of us a brain, or am I wrong?
Come on, you don't have the engineering solution to get out from the mud? For real? I mean put something in the vehicle, a device to put you out of the mud, without need to left the drive seat?. In this type of vehicles is so easy to do it.
Put some tires on that thing please. And who's driving the sherp I mean what the hell is that off road driving. Good thing he's in a Sherp because with his driving skills all the video would be him stuck if he were in anything less
no me convence que el Lesnik este al nivel del Sherp es que no me hace sentido que se desplazara de esa manera sobre el lodo esto tuvieron que realizarlo usando la grúa que delante el Lesnik.
Это потому что шерп заточен на болота и плавание - относительно низкий клиренс, плоское лодочное дно и неповоротные колеса. А лесник больше для тайги и колейной грязищи.
The only problem that I can see out of either one of these vehicles is bottoming out. No suspension to see. 18 inches of mud or snow and it's stuck. It can cross a lake..slowly. You would think the military could use them. Unless it's in deep mud. Climbing a bank can cause it to flip over backwards. When attach the drive trailer behind it then Its a better machine. Then it is 8wd. Except in deep mud packing up under it. Then it's a sitting duck. Crossing a lake makes to much noise and it's to slow making get again...a sitting duck. So now what? The cool factor. Oh yeah. I would own one with the drive trailer. How to solve the undercarriage mud packing problem? Don't know yet. The crossing the lake problem is easy. Twin outboard prop engines. Yep, that will do it. There needs to be a suspension under it without ruining its floatation ability. Hmmmm?
looks like a good way to tear up atv trails. I would be kinda pissed if a few of these came through and left 3 feet deeps ruts on either side of the trail where bikes and atvs cant easily get trough after....
If the ground is so soft that these could make "3 foot ruts" no ATV would have made it though in the first place. Watch some of ua-cam.com/video/0ahite-iFfE/v-deo.html videos. These high flotation machines impact the earth 1,000x less than anything else. If they are making an impact nothing else would be there to fallow.
I bet on snow the Sherp is better. But personally, I want neither, the damage those things do to any trail is almost a crime. It has it's place as say so emergency vehicle, or something similar, but for mucking around, there are other ways that destroy less of everything it touches...
Remember mother nature??? Think of it again when the Americans again begin to shoot projectiles with depleted uranium in the name of "world peace" and "democracy", as well as burn hundreds of thousands of tons of fuel oil and diesel fuel in the exercises against the "aggressive" Russia or Korea.
Алексей Смирнов agreed depleted uranium is a thousand times worse. But i am confident Russia was not innocent developing her latest nukes etc which were announced recently. But yes America is in too many countries right now destroying the entire country. No argument there. But both Russia and America need to end the power of the military industrial complex. Both countries.
I absolutely agree that war is generally sucks, the Russians know what war is and what trouble it is. But try compare the us military budget and Russia)) Russia's Nuclear development is only a sign for those who surrounded Russia with military bases. All these missiles will be cozy to sleep in their nests, so that other "birds" are not flew into the territory of Russia. And about the all-terrain vehicles, the trace that they left - overgrown in a few years and nothing will show the road there. Maybe it's better to remember the Islands of plastic bottles in the middle of the ocean? that's the real trouble.
Those tires on the sherp will churn up any wet track to the point that anyone without one will never get through after them, these things perform great but are environmental vandalism at best.
and in 5 years... go back to that spot and you cant even tell where the road was.... seriously, you guys who cry about the environment.... have never spent a day in it and seen just how fast mother nature returns.
The wheels don't turn fast enough to actually do that much damage. It's probably less damage then a side by side or a lifted truck with 44 inch super swampers. I'm guessing you don't get on the trails much......
the guy in the sherp needs to learn how to drive it
Even though the sherp got stuck, I'd put that down to driver error.
Anything can get high centered, so for me the sherp wins as an all-around vehicle in mud and water and most terrain scenarios.
Sherp ftw...
The lesnik went everywhere with turf tires, I'm impressed
Sherp all the way. It does better in thick mud, and water.
And on the road?
Agree but I do prefer the “look” of the lesnik
The Lesnik needs Sherp tires...
lesnik made for using asphalt road too
Exactly
Not if it's designed to be a road-legal vehicle.
@@tananam9782 - But there must be tires that are useful (and legal) for both road and offroad. A bit more thread would go a long way.
@@tubularap But road laws don't always make sense.
looks like fun. My brother had 62 GMC with tractor tires. Playing in the mud.
+1 to Everything the posters below said about the Lesnik. How the hell did it do that on nearly slick tires? Amazing!
I like the fact the front wheels steer the Lesnik conventionally instead of the "joystick" steering of the Sherp. Now put the tires from the Sherp onto the Lesnik.. BOOM! Winner!
The Sherp has two-lever steering, just like about every other ski-steer machine. There were a handful that tried something like a steering wheel or a handlebar. Most, though, have two levers or switches (the D-10J Cat has finger switch control, others as well). For example, the Bobcat loader has one lever on each side of the operator's body. Most Caterpillar 'dozers have two levers right in front of the driver. The Sherp has two levers just to the left of the operator that are slightly reminiscent of a multi-engine airplane's throttle quadrant.
Want the steer-ability and road capacity of the Lesnik? Well, you're gonna have to put chains on to keep up with the Sherp.
Want the paddle-wheel traction of the Sherp? Be ready to tear up the road and your tires when you try to drive on a road. Also, get a ticket and maybe loose your Sherp.
Right now, I'm looking into the road-legality of the Lesnik, so far, with little success. Maybe as a farm vehicle in Russia, not so far as a road machine in the USA. The Sherp will have severely limited legal use almost everywhere in the USA. It's either too wide or too heavy for most off-road jurisdictions, and it's in no way road legal. That limits it to private land use. So, go crazy you super rich guys who own vast tracts that you can afford to keep naturally fallow.
I think so too
Sherp max amphibean vehiclesnice and good terrain road trip.
Both are winners for me ! Looks like great fun.
I haven't wanted to play in the mud since grammar school, its all coming back LOL
grammar school?
«it's». You failed grammar school, right?
@@lyt_w8t
(shhh, he's an old coot, play along)
:P
2 very capable machines.
Only one winner - Sherp.
No difference in their performance, during this video. I think if you put paddle tires on the letsnik you wouldn't see any difference in their performance
Banjo music was appropriate! Guy looking at tires spinning......”ma tires is a spinnin, why?”
I never thought I would see a Sherp get stuck but for a moment it was. Still a beast. Win for the Lesnik 👍
я по такой дороге с пьяным батей на уазике спокойно ездил
Is it just me, or does the Sherp bring back all the childhood memories of "Thunderbirds?"
F.A.B. John
Lesnik is awesome
Is the Lesnik meant to be road legal? If so, might I offer some off-road advice to counter the more mild tread: Chains. Maybe they wont work as well with wrinkle-wall low pressure tires at speed, but as far as I can see, you guys never break 8kph.
Ilove it..from indonesia
Didn't expect that. Sherp ofcourse...its got crazy all terrain paddle tires but that other thing might as well of had slicks and it did the same thing!
If the lesnik is that good just imagine if it had a more aggressive tread tire.
Nicholas Hill Ya that was impressive,I thought the Sherp had it easy but not so much-if the Lesnick as you suggest had more Sherp like tread design it would be crazy.
If it's meant to be road-worthy, the aggressiveness of the tread will have to be limited.
I've never even heard of a Lesnik up until this video and wow..I'm impressed.
Какой vs если грунтозацепы разные?
@ 1:32
Turtle on a fence post.
Ground clearance seems to be the limiting factor
41magfan is not with additional options
add snowmobile type belt under belly and it will never get stuck....
I think its the ability to choose the proper line.
@@1urantian
Having had restored and played around with more than one old classic snowmobile, with different design concepts in use before they figured out what works best, I think I can fairly definitively say that such a track-on-the-belly idea will not work. Well, no better than full length caterpillar tracks would at any rate.
Consider that the tires will have dug down through soft, wet, low grip material. How much more grip will a belly track make?
I'm of the opinion that whatever surface isn't making traction should be out of the way. Barring that, what surface is left should be given the least drag on contact (look at the use of "front mud flaps" on mud bog racers). Barring that, whatever is left should slide the easiest. look at "XXX" skidplate manufacturers, for example. Yeah, if you happen to match a belly tread to the speed the vehicle is traveling, you may have at least as good a result as a slick skidplate, but at what cost of complexity and limitation (will that track be spinning as the vehicle drives down the open road)?
[edited to fix a dumb grammatical error, I'm sure others abound]
В этом автомобиле просто НЕЧЕМУ ломаться, он НЕ НУЖДАЕТСЯ в техническом обслуживании и вы экономите КУЧУ денег на ОТСУТСТВИИ ремонта и постоянных отладок сложных механизмов. Более того, даже если что-то сломается вы всегда сможете это почтить с помощью камня, мата и молотка. То есть БЕЗ сложной техники.
I want to see the interior of the 2, the back and the front... on the sherp you can have 2 people in front on the Lesnik you can't. but I want to add, it is a very cool video.
Me to.. I've been looking for a platform to use to build a completely self contained 4, 6 or 8 wheel drive or tracked unit to build into a camper unit, something I don't need to pull a trailer with. So far my short list includes, Deuce and a half, Tatra 6x6, Hemtt 6x6, and a few Russian tracked personnel carriers. But this Lesnik seems big enough for 2 - 3 people to camp quite comfortably if set up right.
How much do these things cost is it a worth while item I mean a 94 Jeep Cherokee is like 200 then 35s and gas totals up to under a grand so....
can you get me one
Lol ya rite
Lesnik 50.000 US dollar
@@rhodium1096 Much less expensive than the Sherp then..Like well under 1/2 of a Sherp.. If the Lesnik is that reasonable in comparison Id bet a guy could swing a deal with the manufacturer to credit a guy on the tires the Lesnik comes with and do a severe upgrade to more along the lines of what the Sherps running for kicks ..Hmmmmm
Lesnik = Forester
I vote Sherp, just for coolness!!!
Ну, наконец-то "Шерп" все-таки застрял на сучке бревна. Смешно! :)
"Лесник" более бюджетная версия с давней историей создания. Для охоты и среднего бездорожья сойдет.
Дизайн, отделка и обзор внутри кабины мне больше нравится у "Лесника". зато "Шерп" всепроходимый вездеход.
...не "все" и не "везде" проходимый, хотя благодаря шинам очень достойные результаты, поэтому они свои шины и не продают. Одеть их хотя бы на этого лесника и думаю шерпу пришлось нервно покуривать...
Удивительно как невозможность поворачивать колеса у шерпа негативно сказывается в колее :)
Еще плоское дно, прилипающее к грязюке. Вообще шерп болотоход а не таежная машина.
Боюсь, ту водила ещё тот
On the belly of the village it does not matter turn left and right and all the way out and went and in the pressure wheel increase
Need to look at the Fat Truck. Makes the Sherp look ancient....I know. I own them both. There is no comparison.
Silly boyz playin' in mud. Rokon FTW
Should rename the lesnik to Lesnar as it's tougher that Brock on steroids. Wonder what psi they are running
Fans of the Lesnik compromise the merits of Sherp))
never would have thought a sherp could get stuck
With a no driving moron driving it .Anything can happen.
The banjo music you had playing while the fella was stuck... Who was that?
I do not know the name, accidentally found in the Internet
Танки грязи не бояться ;)
Looks like the Sherp is much more capable.
Посадил на брюхо шерпа, а колеса не поворачиваются-ахиллесова пята .
The Lesnik needs to get rid of those turf tires.
Like said in other comments put Sherp tires on the Lesnik and then you have a winner
Sherp tires are incompatible with ordinary roads, which makes the Sherp a very specialized machine.
Sherp for the win
With the right tires and some weight reduction, can't a bobcat (skid steer) do the exact same thing as the Sherp?
Probably
Lost in Space buggy?
I want to see a Sherp vs Argo 8x8 tracks ?
чудо водители на дорогущей чудо технике мучаются с обычной лесовозной колеёй, где проходит обычный уазик, а по факту для этих вездеходов стихия это болота, водоёмы, ледники и лесные тропы данную местность лучше проходить на хорошем внедорожнике )
Why only forward and not try go left or right? 1:57
it is not able to turn its wheels. it turns like a tracked vehicled
but even then wouldnt that help too
Because he can't drive worth shit
I'd say overall the Lesnik is slightly better then the Sherp. If it can run like that with those tires (experienced driver?), I'm impressed. ;-)
What makes the Lesnik better in my opinion is its more refined look, thus it I feel the engineering is superior.
I'm sorry, despite its capabilities the Sherp looks thrown together (I thought it was a prototype).
T'airn'KA but the lesnik cant climb 1 meter stones ^^
As I implied, if the Lesnik had the Sherp tires I believe it would more then capable.
Yep! In my opinion "Lesnik" is more good and complex design than "Sherp".
But "Sherp" is more good vehicle than "Lesnik".
But price of "Lesnik" is more good and low than "Sherp".
I find "Lesnik" with big wheels like wheels of "Sherp".
May be this new "Lesnik" 2018 can compete vs "Sherp".
ua-cam.com/video/cSkMbbUb8eg/v-deo.html
That's not how you get a sherp out of a hang up! You top out the tire pressure and lay sticks from side to side so the treads drag the sticks under.
the added tubular steel low on the front not so good thing
Cool vehicles! Looks like a lot of fun. Thanks for sharing!👍👍
Should have got the bigger sherp!!!
Bog buggies!
Lesnik street legal? Much better than sherp for most then.
On ne voit pas dans ce filme les capabilites de Sherp, trop subjectif
You mean to say.... after spending $180 thousand dollars, or more, all they can do is louse up the peace and quiet of the woods, and get stuck? Come-on, I know God gave all of us a brain, or am I wrong?
Please make a video with sherp atv and shaman atv
what is the point of taking a high dollar machine out in the mud if you don't have to that seems silly to me
Sherp is the best!
Co to jest za model ten leśnik?
ua-cam.com/video/01WwoDWewS0/v-deo.html
Sherp
So, which one is better?
Lesnik for forest roads, road speed & rare car dirt track. Sherp for wetland and float, none common road.
Slosh Slosh
How do you steer Sherp ?
Vivaldy isme skid steer, levers like an excavator
А слабо сделать колеса как у советского марсохода, чтобы на пузо не садился? :)
Come on, you don't have the engineering solution to get out from the mud? For real? I mean put something in the vehicle, a device to put you out of the mud, without need to left the drive seat?. In this type of vehicles is so easy to do it.
Транспорт не для колейных направлений
Put some tires on that thing please. And who's driving the sherp I mean what the hell is that off road driving. Good thing he's in a Sherp because with his driving skills all the video would be him stuck if he were in anything less
На виде видео как Лесник помогал себе выбираться из грязи поворотом колес на передней оси. Шерп такое не может в принципе?
no me convence que el Lesnik este al nivel del Sherp es que no me hace sentido que se desplazara de esa manera sobre el lodo esto tuvieron que realizarlo usando la grúa que delante el Lesnik.
А главно цена лесник дещевле и едит не хуже
Com'on Cleetu's - Me & da Bros is a go'in Duck Hunt'in !!! WTF?/ lol Canuck-Planker...I-Like,I-Like......
Снимал владелец шерпа)
ШЕРП на днище постоянно садится.
Лесник оказался очень даже вездеходным. Хотя колеса меньше шерповских.
Это потому что шерп заточен на болота и плавание - относительно низкий клиренс, плоское лодочное дно и неповоротные колеса. А лесник больше для тайги и колейной грязищи.
Use a winch those fckn logs tear off break like and oil pans.
Sherpy tires got better grip.
Sherp tires are incompatible with ordinary roads, which makes the Sherp a very specialized machine.
the sherp has no suspension??
low pressure tires play the role of suspension
sherp wins
sherp tires are the king
Imma go with the sherp it was go over water
Bottom out- you will get stuck
The only problem that I can see out of either one of these vehicles is bottoming out. No suspension to see. 18 inches of mud or snow and it's stuck. It can cross a lake..slowly. You would think the military could use them. Unless it's in deep mud. Climbing a bank can cause it to flip over backwards. When attach the drive trailer behind it then Its a better machine. Then it is 8wd. Except in deep mud packing up under it. Then it's a sitting duck. Crossing a lake makes to much noise and it's to slow making get again...a sitting duck. So now what? The cool factor. Oh yeah. I would own one with the drive trailer. How to solve the undercarriage mud packing problem? Don't know yet. The crossing the lake problem is easy. Twin outboard prop engines. Yep, that will do it. There needs to be a suspension under it without ruining its floatation ability. Hmmmm?
looks like a good way to tear up atv trails. I would be kinda pissed if a few of these came through and left 3 feet deeps ruts on either side of the trail where bikes and atvs cant easily get trough after....
And ATVs tare up snowmobile trails With ATV trscks...
Lol !! I want to feel pit on you but I can’t :)
You're not the trail keeper, sorry.
If the ground is so soft that these could make "3 foot ruts" no ATV would have made it though in the first place.
Watch some of ua-cam.com/video/0ahite-iFfE/v-deo.html videos. These high flotation machines impact the earth 1,000x less than anything else. If they are making an impact nothing else would be there to fallow.
poor frog and snails they are all dead.
okay so after just a very few minutes just got kind of boring
Глубокие колеи не для Шерпа
sherp 70k and no treuil !
SHERP
To me it looks like the lesnik is way better than the Sherp
Шерпу клиренса не хватило
на шерпе водятел просто
что то плохо леснеку
I bet on snow the Sherp is better.
But personally, I want neither, the damage those things do to any trail is almost a crime. It has it's place as say so emergency vehicle, or something similar, but for mucking around, there are other ways that destroy less of everything it touches...
Remember mother nature??? Think of it again when the Americans again begin to shoot projectiles with depleted uranium in the name of "world peace" and "democracy", as well as burn hundreds of thousands of tons of fuel oil and diesel fuel in the exercises against the "aggressive" Russia or Korea.
Алексей Смирнов agreed depleted uranium is a thousand times worse. But i am confident Russia was not innocent developing her latest nukes etc which were announced recently.
But yes America is in too many countries right now destroying the entire country. No argument there.
But both Russia and America need to end the power of the military industrial complex. Both countries.
I absolutely agree that war is generally sucks, the Russians know what war is and what trouble it is. But try compare the us military budget and Russia)) Russia's Nuclear development is only a sign for those who surrounded Russia with military bases. All these missiles will be cozy to sleep in their nests, so that other "birds" are not flew into the territory of Russia. And about the all-terrain vehicles, the trace that they left - overgrown in a few years and nothing will show the road there. Maybe it's better to remember the Islands of plastic bottles in the middle of the ocean? that's the real trouble.
Sherp losr, Lesnik is better...
Get a Fat Truck. They make theses look stupid. I know, I own a Sherp and a Fat Truck. The FT is soooo much nicer and safer.
на шерпе водила хреновый
Looks like the shirt needs a winch I guess they can't go anywhere
sometimes the trouble is right behind the wheel lol
Sometimes it's the wheels
I know right
the lesnik tires are trash
Those tires on the sherp will churn up any wet track to the point that anyone without one will never get through after them, these things perform great but are environmental vandalism at best.
and in 5 years... go back to that spot and you cant even tell where the road was.... seriously, you guys who cry about the environment.... have never spent a day in it and seen just how fast mother nature returns.
bahaha talk about a non issue, these things affect about .00000000000001% of the planet, IF THAT.
The wheels don't turn fast enough to actually do that much damage. It's probably less damage then a side by side or a lifted truck with 44 inch super swampers. I'm guessing you don't get on the trails much......
He means they make it hard for the next person.
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Are you sure?