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  • The New Pellet Stove Battery Backup Surefire 512 & 512H
    In this video, Jeff Luff of Alternative Heating & Supplies teaches you all you need to know about the Surefire 512 Pellet Stove Battery Backup and why you need one.
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  • @jdjuggler
    @jdjuggler 5 років тому +16

    Correct your video. Multiple batteries need to be connected in PARALLEL !!!!!

  • @mic982
    @mic982 3 роки тому

    Yes, this video was well worth the time to watch it. Thanks.

  • @AltheatsupplyLLC
    @AltheatsupplyLLC  4 роки тому +1

    You guys are correct about I said in series. Batteries need to be parallel! I'm going to re-do video.

  • @robertseely3286
    @robertseely3286 5 років тому +6

    You mentioned connecting batteries in series to increase capacity. Connecting in series will increase voltage which could damage the inverter/charger. To increase capacity multiple batteries should be connected in parallel to increase amperage thereby increasing capacity.

  • @billpellegrini9872
    @billpellegrini9872 2 роки тому +1

    Hi, just a reminder about parallel battery connection as well. Great video though. Thank you.

  • @captainkangaroo4301
    @captainkangaroo4301 3 роки тому

    Do you recommend using a surge protector between the outlet and the 512?

  • @mikethatcher9604
    @mikethatcher9604 5 років тому

    Will this keep the stove running or will it just allow it to run through it’s shutdown sequence? I have an Englander 25-pah. When power is interrupted for 1 minute or less the stove shuts off and does not power back on when the electric comes back on. Harmon recommends a Ups unit that will protect the stove and allow them to run long enough to complete the stove shut down process. Is this unit different? Will it keep the power going continuous so the stove doesn’t power off even for a s second or two? I get brief power interruptions during the night and need something to keep it going.

  • @chriswenger9287
    @chriswenger9287 4 роки тому

    Agree with jdjuggler, everything else I have found requires multiple batteries to be connected in Parallel, as batteries connected in series with increase the voltage to 24, or 36, or 48 volts, and potentially damage your $500 inverter!

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  3 роки тому

      You are correct. I mis- spoke and thanks for catching that.

  • @captainkangaroo4301
    @captainkangaroo4301 3 роки тому

    I am going to order one of these for my Harman P68. Do you or does Harman recommend a specific size or type of battery?

  • @dansmith3177
    @dansmith3177 7 місяців тому

    Are there any versions of this battery backup/inverter/charger that will work with the new Lithium Iron Phosphate marine-grade batteries? I think that main difference is the battery trickle charge needs to change from 13.2VDC (for led-acid/gel) to 14.4VDC (for LiFePo4).

  • @carlmartinez5234
    @carlmartinez5234 4 роки тому

    Does this work on a Country Winslow PS40 Pellet Stove?

  • @Zoe-si2cl
    @Zoe-si2cl 10 місяців тому

    Where can I buy the 512H? I just put in a Harman absolute. Thanks!

  • @sellC1964
    @sellC1964 3 роки тому +1

    4:55 I’m sure he means parallel not series. Also, with the Harman stoves, if they see power with a modified sine-wave, they go into shut down mode and pulse fan every few seconds to clear chamber of smoke for like 30 minutes. Using a pure sine-wave will keep stove running. However, if you are not around when the battery depletes, the stove will shut off line it will in a normal grid failure. This can cause smoke to seep from stove.

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  3 роки тому

      I wanted to correct video. But UA-cam won't allow me to alter the existing video. Thanks for helping clarifying.

  • @danthurman9076
    @danthurman9076 5 місяців тому

    Do you know the difference between series and parallel ? Series 12 volt to 12 volt makes 24 volt DC.

  • @jasongardner9084
    @jasongardner9084 5 років тому +1

    Informative video. Thanks for sharing this information. I'm definitely interested in this alternative. I have several questions.
    (1) With the SF512 setup, what happens when the battery array runs out of charge? Will it initiate a shutdown of the stove like the Harman-recommended UPS does? Or could/should the UPS be used in conjunction with the SF512?
    (2) For extended power outages, could/should the SF512 be used in conjunction with a portable generator? I have read that generators do not produce a clean enough sine wave to run the stove, but would the SF512, powered by a generator, solve the sine wave issue (again, this would be in the case when I have no juice left in the battery)?

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  4 роки тому

      If your stove has a built-in initiate shut down based on voltage then it will. These units were designed for the Harman stoves. Yes great questions, it is set up to buy you time to prevent smoke in your house. You can always add more batteries as well. Generators are excellent for long term backup and they will recharge batteries also.

  • @peterpulpitpounder
    @peterpulpitpounder 3 роки тому +1

    Great video with lots of great information. My question is whether or not there are OTHER pure sine wave inverters that will work with Harman pellet stoves that do no require an dpi switch adjustments, and that will, as you mentioned, run both the electronics AND motors in the Harman. I know Harman also recommends a Tripp Lite inverter option, etc. In any case, I am trying to figure out of a decent, let's say, 1000 watt pure sine wave inverter you can get online will work with a harman stove? I've been trying to order the 512 lately, but it's been sold out everywhere thus far. So I guess that's a good thing!

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  3 роки тому

      I don't know what the competition is doing or if it will work. All I know is mine does work.

  • @20greeneyes20
    @20greeneyes20 2 роки тому

    I'm obviously just learning a backup plan for my pellet stove this winter. What kind of battery are you speaking of That would be appropriate for this back up plan. Thanks for your helpful info !!!
    So what kind of Battery?

  • @kakish76
    @kakish76 Рік тому

    Thank you. Do you recommend a specific safe indoor battery with a long lifetime ?

  • @peteg8920
    @peteg8920 2 роки тому

    Sounds good. One thing though. The battery is going to be continually on charge . What about the hydrogen gas that the battery gives off when charging. Isn't that a safety issue ?

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  2 роки тому +1

      Not a issue with todays batteries. Batteries should always be in a well ventilated area anyways

  • @hunter4195
    @hunter4195 2 роки тому

    So I just bought this and hooked it up with a battery and plugged it into my comfortbilt hp22 pellet stove. I tested it and the sure fire doesn’t transfer from house power to battery power fast enough and my stove shuts off. It will turn the blower back on once it transfers but the stove will not turn back on unless I manually hit the power button. Is there a way to make the transfer from house power to battery power faster so the stove doesn’t shut down?

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  2 роки тому

      Some units switch over very quickly. Give us a call and see what we can do to help you.

  • @captainkangaroo4301
    @captainkangaroo4301 4 роки тому

    How far from the pellet stove should the battery be placed so that the heat from the stove doesn’t cause problems for the battery?

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  4 роки тому

      They suggest as far as possible If you remember back in the day when batteries used to gas very flammable gases. Batteries are much much better but the company wants to prevent possible lawsuits. When I ran mine I was about 4 feet away with no issues. But use your best judgment and I'm not an expert on batteries and gases.

  • @andyvardzik5837
    @andyvardzik5837 2 роки тому

    On your video you say it is good up to 550 watts. Other places that sell them are now saying 450 watts. So can you tell me what is right? Thanks

  • @sellC1964
    @sellC1964 4 роки тому

    And when the battery is depleted - house fills up with smoke. Why not add in a simple control circuit that will open a circuit when the battery level reaches a certain level. This can be connected to the thermostat sensor and effectively tell the stove to begin its shut down process (Harman stove).
    I would think he meant to put batteries in PARALLEL and not series.
    Perhaps place a UPS (modified sine wave type) between the Surefire 512 and the stove. This way when the Surefire 512 runs out of battery power, the MSW inverter kicks in and begins a stove shut down. I know, there are inefficiencies in this, but it's better than smoke!
    If I were designing the Surefire 512, I would put a battery voltage monitor to open a relay. When voltage dropped, the relay would break the circuit of the room temp sensor and the stove would start shutting down.

  • @cr2802
    @cr2802 Рік тому

    Is this inverter compatible with a Kozi 100 stove?

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  Рік тому

      Does the Kozy need a pure sign wave?

    • @cr2802
      @cr2802 Рік тому

      @@AltheatsupplyLLC I belive it does. Bought it 10 years ago and my dealer offered a pure sine wave inverter back then.

  • @bernieolsen6500
    @bernieolsen6500 3 роки тому

    Is it possible to use a battery monitor like the one from renogy with the surfire 512? Like to know how much
    time I have left before battery runs out

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  3 роки тому

      I'm not sure, never tried it. If you do please share back

    • @bernieolsen6500
      @bernieolsen6500 3 роки тому

      @@AltheatsupplyLLC won’t hurt the sure fire will it?

  • @bernieolsen6500
    @bernieolsen6500 3 роки тому

    won’t damage the surfire will it?

  • @johnsayman2271
    @johnsayman2271 3 роки тому

    Great information on all of your videos, just so u know a few are set as "made for kids" so cant save them to watch later on

  • @davidjacobs5261
    @davidjacobs5261 8 місяців тому

    This is exactly what I was looking for but, $500 for the inverter then another $100 for a battery. At todays prices of gas (2023) Ill just hook up my gas generator and buy a thick coat and still save money. Can't even buy this thing anywhere anyways comments 3 yrs ago says you sold out. Ever think of making more?

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  7 місяців тому

      Yes, you can do that, but you need to do that every time the power goes out. and then put everything away when power returns. This system does it automatically and then re-charges your battery. Remember the power goes out usually while you are sleeping... LOL Jeff

  • @charleschapman2428
    @charleschapman2428 4 роки тому

    $480.00

  • @billw4746
    @billw4746 Рік тому

    Interesting video but useless as I cannot find this product for sale. But sense my pellet stove vents vertically I won`t worry about it. I start with 4 inch pellet stove pipe then transition to regular chimney.

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  Рік тому

      The product has been sold out and changing over to the Model 933 which is Pure Sine wave and works great. altheatsupply.com/model-933-battery-backup-system-for-%20wood-%20pellet-stoves.html

  • @iceddevil205
    @iceddevil205 3 роки тому

    Where are they?....you bought the rights to manufacture, but you arent maufacturing any.....cant get them anywhere....why is that?......when will they be for sale?????

    • @jpbarley
      @jpbarley 3 роки тому

      altheatsupply.com/wood-furnace-parts-accessories/battery-backup-sentries.html

    • @AltheatsupplyLLC
      @AltheatsupplyLLC  3 роки тому

      Sorry, We sold out.