The Stinger didn't fail at all. It's brought significant positive brand recognition to Kia. It's a universally loved car but developing the fan base takes time. Lots of time. The Stinger and G70 will be iconic.
100% Agree. I just bought the latest one. Of course people who couldn't distinguish of the old logo wouldn't buy the car, but the latest one is sexy AF, and I actually start to sense people are looking more for this car. Whenever I pass somewhere people are looking at it with 100% attention, and get asked what this is a lot of time
Love My 2022 GT and it never fails to put a smile on my face and a frown on the BMW's and Audi drivers that don't know the Stinger is way faster than them when they try to take a run at one. And how much did you pay for a BMW, Audi ? WHY and its that slow and how much to maintain with parts :) WHAT you got scammed and how much did it drop in price when you left the dealer ? WOW, how much for car insurance WHAT that's robbery. Sorry BMW, Audi just a little taste from the other end of the stick all in fun and the Merc don't even get a look in.
@@lawmanlawreaper Hahaha yes. You beat most BMWs and AUDIs with this, and you get more people to look at it because its rare. I like how KIA puts everything in it, and yet i paid 25 mils for this car in forint, I could have bought a 440i xdrive for the same price, the Stinger is way too better in anything. A rare car like this will worth more when selling as well
@@hardcoremedic I had someone get out of their car at a stoplight. Walked to the front of my car to see what the front badge was. E logo all the way around. 2020 gt2 3.3 tt.
What is way worse the badge snobbery, is when a BMW, Audi or Merc tries to drag you in the Kia from the lights and the Kia walks all over them, that smile they had turns into a frown. Poor guy got beat by a Kia worth 1/3 of the price. That's very embarrassing for these badge snobs.
Any Bmw In the same class as the stinger would beat it. Kia sucks compared to bmw Mercedes or Audi. My m240i would beat any Kia on the road. Now that’s embarrassing. Another thing that’s embarrassing is anyone who thinks they are in a nice or fast car when they drive a Kia. Hahaha. Loser 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
@@nickbrunisch3101 what BS are you spewing. Do you how many M240i's I have smashed from the lights. Really champ. I've owned a BMW and never again. They are overated pieces of German crap that require service after service . The one thing that people think when they see a BMW badge is WANKER, and I agree with them. But honestly, how embarrassing is it when a KIA smashes a BMW, that must really butt hurt you hey WANKER. I see I have 9 like against your big fat zero. Nice one loser.
hellcat owner here. hell no the kia stinger never failed. actually i wanted my mom to get the stinger because they are beautiful cars. they sound amazing. when my mother bought her new car (kia optima hybrid) at the end of 2017. we came back to the dealership in 2018 to test drive that car and oh my goodness the kia stinger when you put your foot down on the gas pedal it feels like you are in a real life fast and furious movie. it’s really a beautiful car and i am happy that kia had made a high performance car and i’m genuinely sad that it will be discontinued but i hope they will bring it back and have a supercharged 4 cylinder hybrid making 450 HP :)
I agree with your points and I would add one more. Marketing. Can't believe how many people, still today, have never heard of the Kia Stinger. I get asked frequently, "What kind of car is that?" That's insane! The first time I saw the Stinger in person was at the 2018 L.A. Auto Show. It was gorgeous! I told my friends that one day I would have that car. My dream came true in April of 2021 when I got my white GT2! I love it!
Daily driving mine 21 GT2 everyday and never failed in my book. For a brand like Kia, Stinger was a success. Success shouldn't depend on how many Kia sold the vehicles, rather it should depend on what they were able to produce against German and American competitors. That alone in my opinion was a success.
A correction: the Stinger was never offered with a manual, the only transmission available was an 8 speed torque-converter auto. Other than that, a great video! I too am quite sad and angry that the Stinger was not successful, as I hate snobbery in general, with cars, even more. The Stinger's value is unmatched by anything in it's class. But sadly, people clearly don't value their money, and will waste it for a fancy badge. Can we also add that this car was sold WITH 7 YEAR WARRANTY?!? Something not even closely matched by anything in this class.
@@rsg666 the grip is excellent but I feel somewhat isolated to the road. So I don't really feel the grip limit. I don't know if the car is about to lose traction. It just loses traction so it makes me lack confidence. This issue is present in many modern cars. It is a part of the luxury feel.
My 2018 Kia Stinger GT Limited still gets attention to this very day. I've had it 5 years in August '23. Other than a few paint issues and interior rattles, it's been bulletproof.
No regrets with my '23 GT Elite (Canadian spec). Already put 18,000 kms in 4 months and easily survived a rough 7,000 km trip to the Yukon. It's comfortable, fast, smooth and handles exceptionally well for something its size. It was inevitable that it would meet its end soon, but the SUV craze is to blame for that. I still think it would have been cool if they came out with a mild hybrid version; more power and a bit more efficient.
Really good job on this video man and I think you highlighted the main problem really well and that is just brand recognition. The Kia stinger is a really good car but it's a shame that the wider population cares more about the brand rather than the actual car.
I have a '22 GT1. Love the car.. the car itself is great. A success performance wise, but your points on market segment and brand snobbery are spot on. I still have people come up to me and don't know what it is.
As a 2021 stinger gt owner, I have to say I'm never selling this car, I have also been at the dealer and heard customers literally say "I love the car but I just can't buy a kia sports car I rather get a dodge" meanwhile I'm face palming Lmfao
You are spot on. It also failed for another reason. Not many real car guys anymore. Cars used to have knowledgeable fans that didn’t follow the Look At Me car guys. SAAB 900T Is probably the best example. Cult following. Different from Luxury Sports Sedans at the time. Lift back, different Styling, Turbo charged engine. Good handling. Sound familiar. It was never going to have the snob appeal of you know who but enthusiasts could be different and get a different driving experience. I own a Stinger GT to go along with my 84 Maserati BiTurbo. Great car
I had never even heard of a Stinger until this year. I was looking through reviews trying to decide on what new car I wanted. I looked at Toyota, Genesis and another truck. Nothing tickled my fancy until I looked up quick cars. I seen the Stinger and started researching it. We bought our GT2 fresh off the truck a few months ago. We love the car!! They really should have advertised the car more. As I said, we hadn't even heard of it until this year. I owned an Audi and this car is way nicer.
I went to Kia to sign for my daughters car and there was one in the showroom! I said wtf is that!!!!! Wow is that nice!!! I went back a week later and bought it!! 2023 GT2, white with the red leather interior. Soooo sexy!!
Same here actually. Saw a review by Doug Demuro months ago. I started watching as many videos on UA-cam and in September bought a GT2. Love the car! My only complaints...no remote start, I wish android auto was wireless, and I wish the car was slightly less expensive.
@chrisoconnor3119 I had a 2013 A6 Prestige. I loved the car, but for 20k less the Stinger has more in it. Hands free driving, nicer look, more comfortable seats, the 360 cameras...
I bought my 2018 Stinger GT2 used and got a hell of a deal. This is my favorite car to drive and so far to own. I hate that I daily drive it far and am racking up the miles on it but I do love the little touches this car has (turns down the radio when reversing, turns down the AC fan when a call comes in etc etc), even the heads up display and ventilated seats. I am spoiled by this car 100%. I was sad to hear KIA gave up on it :( (Reminds me of when Sony gave up on the PS Vita :D )
Enjoy the daily drives, thats what you bought the car for right? to enjoy it so enjoy it whilst driving it daily - I love driving my stinger to work everyday instead of taking public transport.
I love my 19’ GT, best car I’ve owned to date, a real head turner. Here in Australia the Stinger has found a niche market and plenty of people are still buying them. I’m part of a group that goes for meets and drives, so awesome to see 26 beautiful, gleaming Stingers in convoy. It might not be the most popular car but those of us whom own one, are kinda crazy 😜 about them lol.
i bought the 19 gt1 with the E badge, i get the patented "that's a kia????" every time lol. but seeing where the car's production is going, and how far gone kia has come in the recent years, im holding onto this car for dear life. this thing is gonna be a relic
Well too bad for anyone who hasn’t owned or at least driven the Kia stinger. It’s a magnificent piece of machine which will put excitement on your face anytime you drive it. I own ‘19 GT2 and the way the powertrain is setup is unbelievable, the chassis, the gear shifts, the looks I can go on and on. In my opinion it’s an all round amazing sports sedan which is extremely good at what is says it does and even better. I love the stinger
Dude I never write reviews, or like, or go out of my way to subscribe, but this video was so class and well made I assumed it was a large channel or something that made it, but was shocked to only see a few hundred views! I truly hope this comment can inspire you to keep grinding and making some good ass videos man.
The only thing the stinger failed was your opinion. No shade though. Some people are upset it has a "kia" badge in it. I love my 22 3.3l gt1. Lol the stiger came to represent!
2022 Stinger owner here. The Stinger did not sell well because of the badge. Most people buying a $50k car would rather buy a worse car with a "better" badge.
It is but, after two years of ownership i'm contemplating what life would have been like had I got something like a used S4 or even a RS3 (5 cylinder ouuu) instead. Thinking I maybe should have gotten something smaller/lighter/sportier/fuel efficient instead. Love my 2020 stinger though,
As a 2018 GT2 owner, bought new, I know what you mean. Since my first car a 1974 Pontiac Formula 400, bought new, I’m old, I’ve leaned towards sporty and quirky cars. Not every vehicle I’ve owned fit that mold, I’m looking at you 2006 Chrysler Town & Country, but I needed a utilitarian vehicle then and it served the purpose quite well. When I could buy a car for my needs I saw this Stinger ad and it was being driven 167MPH on a track. I thought what the hell is that, it’s gorgeous. I did some investigating and decided if I could afford it, it will be mine. In 2018 cars were being discounted and getting a deal $9K off MSRP and more than fair CarMax offer on my Crosstour (previous car) I was in. OMG I loved it so much and still do. I finally again had a car to go to Cars & Coffee and such shows. I had a blast and nobody knew what the car was. It was so much fun for me. I’m keeping mine until my aging body can’t bend to get in. I love this car and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned or driven. You hit the right note in your video, good job!
Love the video! Still love my Stinger GT, best wintercar I've ever owned up here in northern Scandinavia. The competetion, you aren't even supposed to start them at the love temps we get here, the Stinger? Just start and go. Love how it handles in the icy/snowy conditions! Such a shame it seems to have been a fluke for Kia. I really wished they could carry the design over in a hybrid/electric version, but they seem bent on the EV lineup. Tried the EV6, sorely disappointed by looks and handling.
22 GT1 AWD owner here. This car hasn't failed me. I bought it Sept 21 and have driven the heck out of it. Love it! Had a guy at a gas station say hey love your Maserati.. I just laughed..
I HAVE A 2022 Genesis G70 Sports Prestige 3.3., it's a little bit lighter than the stinger, and it's fast as hell. I went looking for a stinger, saw the G70, and it was love at first sight. The interior quality and. overall bespoke feel of everything Is incredible?
I have a 2021 GT2 Ceramic Silver and the compliments and looks I get is worth every penny I paid for it. It is the best car I have ever owned and I am in my 50’s and have had many many cars!
I’m not sure you could call the stinger a fail. I have owned multiple amg cars, mustangs and others and love the stinger. It’s an under rated car for the reason that people are more obsessed with the front emblem. If they could look past that they would have been able to experience an amazing car. That car brought Kia from a throw away brand to a real competitor.
Good reviews, Stinger is a victim of SUVs generation. There's a lot of chances of Stinger in the future, cause KIAs Electric Vehicles strategy. My Korean friends told me there will be Stinger EV. Stinger somewhat represent resilient spirit that challenge over priced german cars(yet unreliable and money pit).
Honestly I think some of the biggest haters of the car were actually people who were secretly the biggest cheerleaders or fans who just couldn't afford to buy it and as far as performance you have people who compare their V8 sports cars to this 3.3 liter V6 and get dirted in a race😅😂
I have a Stinger GT and absolutely love it. The video is pretty well spot on about 2 things: 1. SUV dominance 2. Badge snobs. I've had plenty of admiration for my Stinger but also some badge snob comments from others. There is also another factor I believe. Getting in and out of the Stinger. It's very low to the ground and for a lot of people not easy to climb in and out of. So many reviewers saying however about competing with BMW, Mercedes and Audi but not properly clarifying like in this video. It doesn't directly complete a new sales car. A BMW 320 with much less equipment is significantly more expensive than a top spec Stinger GT, let alone a BMW M340i. Ditto for an Audi A4. Where it does complete is a new Stinger vs a second hand German car. And in that case, the reviewer is correct. Most people would rather go for the established luxury German marque than the Stinger. Even going so far as to purchase with little or no warranty left.
I'll be looking forward to buying a stinger on the very cheap as we head into a very severe economic recession. I like it for the batch snobbery alone. Cannot stand BMWs or Mercedes and the majority of the people that drive them.
Stinger is awesome! You won't have any regrets. I have a 2019 GT and I love every drive I take. I have a Suzuki Kizashi for a daily driver because I love my Stinger so much, don't like adding miles to it. 😁
It didn't fail, instead it brought KIA cache. It's being replaced after 5-6 years. They're now replacing their entire line into hybrids and ev's. I own one and it's really fast. People walk up and ask me what it is or compliment the looks. The hatchback makes it incredibly useful. More useful than a traditional sedan. Badge snobbery is definitely an issue. The car was very affordable and there was no way I was going to pay twice as much for a German badge that would be in the shop all the time.
Had my 2020 GT Ltd for 2 yrs now. Never failed to impress me every day I drive it. Only failure are the people who missed on tube chance to own one for a fraction of the cost of the Audio, BMW, Mercedes equivalent. You know you have a sweet ride when a Masareti owner says "Nice Looking Car" after he circles to take a look.
I own a Bentley , a Maserati a Range Rover and now I bought the new 2023 Kia Stinger GT Tribute. I would say it’s a car for a niche of society. Those who are wealthy and wouldn’t mind driving a Kia with a German / Italian touch, because after all they already own German / Italian cars. I believe Kia did a great job with the stinger and even greater when making it unique. This will be soon a collection car . I’m a proud Stinger Tribute owner
I have a 2022 GT-Line AWD and love driving it every day. It looks great and runs great. Unfortunately, Americans have decided they want to drive monster-size vehicles for reasons I will never understand. It is entirely possible that most Americans are not car enthusiasts and wouldn't know a winner when they saw one.
Since KIA put the new badge on their cars and updated the infotainment screen to an actual adult sized one i have been seeing a ton of stingers and K5 around
Most people here in London/UK don't know what the stinger is, so I get a lot of looks and attention and people asking me what car I'm driving. When I tell them its a kia and that i chose it to be different from a BMW,Audi or Merc, they give me respect and say good choice and that its true, too many mercs,BMWs and Audis around.
You nailed it in this video. I own a Stinger Gt2 and its one hell of a car. Kia could have marketed it better and more often and sales may have been better but unfortunately they could get their crap together well enough. It didnt flop, people just didnt take the time to test drive it before they made judgement. Lets hope the electrified version comes out soon, the concept photos look amazing.
A year ago bought the '22 GTLINE (US). Sadly I was forced to get the AWD ver - rwd not easily available in my area. With the crazy used car market, it was the perfect opportunity to get into something else. The 2.5T checks off more boxes than not. Build quality is about as expected for the price point. Dealer network needs LOTS of improvement.
I have purchased a 2021 Kia Stinger gt-line all-wheel drive last July and I'm contemplating buying the Kia Stinger GT model very very soon the market and the offers on mine are 28 n 29 k at best it only has 29 k but I surely can't wait after watching Stinger GT videos all the time!!🔥💯 Bad Ass cars
Kia made a hasty decision. Kia shouldn't have discontinued Stinger and rather kept it available for markets where Mercedes, BMW and Audi are too expensive for the buyers but they want a sports saloon. These markets are actually quite big.
Great Video! This is the best explanation on UA-cam as to what happened to this car. I have a 2022 Stinger and It's so unfortunate that they discontinued it because It's really a great car. I get lots of compliments and no one has ever shamed me for it being a Kia. More often, people are very surprised that it's a Kia because it looks somewhat exotic. On one hand, I'm sad to see it go, but on the other hand, there won't be many on the road, making it rare (and maybe sought after). Would be cool to get an EV version too, but it looks like they already have an EV crossover-type on the streets that they are invested in.
It failed miserably in Europe because the Skoda Superb did all of the stuff the Stinger is doing, though it was cheaper and much more user-friendly and practical.
Yeap it being compared to luxury brands is why it didn't sell, because people just went and bought the luxury car instead. Every fanboy in the comments was saying , why pay 60k for a Mercedes C class when u can have a fully loaded singer for 50... But those people never bought either and people with the money just bought the C class
It wasn't a failure...it did a LOT to elevate the brand. It's a stunning vehicle and my guess the brand new Kia EV5 Concept could be the spiritual successor (EV5 Stinger would work). It is NOT the brand, but just one of MANY sedans that will be phased out as a result of the insatiable appetite for SUVs. Was the Mazda RX7 a failure? The Toyota MR2? The proof that it is NOT the brand is the fact that the Genesis G70 is cleaning house and challenging BMW/Benz/Audi and actually beating the Germans at their own game. Call ANY Genesis dealer and ask them how many used Genesis G70s they have? Ask them about the wait times? Now contact your BMW dealer and see how many X3's they have. Genesis can't make the G70 fast enough. My point is, brand cache is important, but it is possible for an upstart to overtake the established German brands, so it's NOT just the Kia badge that led to this..
Kia Stinger is a car for people that don't give a fuck about the badge! It's 4 people that just love to enjoy beautifull and amaizing car, as it is ! I don't drive a car because of it's brand reputation, that's just being fake to the core !
Honestly its in a league of its own as far as what you get for the price point. The styling, the engine, the tech. it was a no brainer for me when i got my 2018 GT. Closest possible sports sedan in the same price point would be a Genesis or an Infiniti of some description. But the styling and stance on those cars just does not match the Stinger..... I would have had to fork out alot more dollars for an XE or XF Jag to get what the stinger offers. Imho
I never heard of or even saw a stinger till one summer evening a year and a half ago at a chick filet ,once I saw the stinger I told my girlfriend what a nice looking car and I really wanted on ,so I purchased a 2021 kia stinger gt,twin turbo V6 ,Aurora Black ,the car is beautiful and alot of fun to drive ,I'm glad I purchased this vehicle, it's awesome
I respect Kia for coming out with the stinger but I believe it fell flat for multiple reasons. Kia even today does not have the brand backing that other companies do. Yes it has improved but given a choice between a kia and a toyota most people will still choose the ladder, and this is even before you bring up the Germans. Secondly, the stinger was priced to high in my opinion. In 2022 the base stinger costs 36.5k. Yes thats about 4-6k (about the same price as an Audi A4 if you are comparing AWD apples to AWD apples) less than it's competitors but the issue is that the competitors have been leading the segment for a long time and many straight up have better performance numbers. I think they should have undercut their competitors by a lot then slowly increased the price as the car gained popularity. Also, They never came out with a super performance version, competitors to M, AMG, RS. The Luke warm performance sedan only works if you have a big hitter to aspire to, benz and bmw starting to realize this as they put amg and m badges on everything. Also, I think they needed to promote their massive warranty a lot more and make that as a major selling point as it is a major advantage against German cars. My Ideal Kia stinger would have been a M3 fighter for the price of a 340i with that 100k mile warranty.
I believe Kia didn't give the Stinger enough time to get people to become acquainted to it. Having driven one, I am thrilled in every aspect. Kia has made a mistake in killing off the stinger prematurely, in my opinion. I am sorry to see it go and no opportunity to place an order for one due to Kia closing the order book.
I think if it sported a TT V8 (500hp) with a mean growl or a Hybrid V6 with around 450hp, it would have easily swayed so many more people into buying it. I bought my GT2 back in 2018 for my birthday. I love it and have thrown a bunch of carbon fiber parts on it with beautiful HF5 20s. Straight piped, but I only wish it had a V8 or better gas mileage. LMAO!
The EV6 GT is prob the replacement performance halo car. Both SUV style and electric. I have a '17 GT and its prob the best car I've owned, ticks so many boxes even for a young family.
I think Kia dealership experience made a negative ding for the Kia Stinger thing to compete with brands with much better dealership experience. Anytime eI have gone to a Kia dealership it was not a great experience.
Not at all. This car want meant to be driven by the same audience as the q50, tlx, is350. It was never mean to be a mass market sedan. Remember when they thought no one would buy the v6tt
We were all waiting for a 2nd generation to fix its interior build quality with better luxury and those horrible fake bonnet grills, but it....but it never happened. So stinger didn't sell 😒
Failed? The car didn't fail. I enjoy driving my 2020 awd gt just fine. Plenty of good cars that don't sell well, doesn't mean they're failures. Most people drive boring ass CUVs and SUVs. I'm glad I bought the car before I couldn't. Missed the boat on a G8 gt and the Chevy SS. Those were good cars as well. It's been the best car we've owned and we own Jeep, Mercedes and Ford.
I think that the reason you gave are true. Still if I'm not mistaken kia sold around 80k stingers just in North America. That's not far behind audi S5, even though we don't really know how many S5 were sold out of the A5 lineup. I love my 2020 stinger GT limited.
I don't really care about the badge I used to drive expensive European snob doesn't make me look better.i just bought a stinger 2 months ago 2022 it is nice and comfortable and I am very happy with it.
The marketing didn't help. The launch went well, they were all over Waterloo Station in London for a while. The initial ads were great. Then ... nothing! To change brand perception is not a one shot process: you need to keep hammering away over a period of many years. Kia gave up with the marketing in the UK after six months.
Also, "Its a KIA" is something they want to get rid of. At this price and performance, it's going to make people realize kia can hold their own against the german sports sedans.
I wanted one of these from the time they came out and not too long ago I purchased a 2018 Kia Stinger GT2, after 2 days of owning it with 30,000 miles on it the check engine light came on it was messing with the computer and many other things after putting it in the Kia dealership three different ones and they couldn't figure out how to fix their own car I understand the reason for the flop it was a beautiful car but they have no clue what they're doing I traded that sucker in as fast as I could and bought a Toyota TRD is it as luxury as the Stinger no but do I worry about breaking down in it no
I love my stinger gt2 its literally the best car made in the last decade, easily kias best car ever. Americans are stupid and only want suvs and trucks.... The stinger is the perfect blend of performance, luxury and practicality. The g70 is worse no adaptive suspension no good brakes and most of all no liftgate. If kia wanted to move to EV's literally just make an ev version of this exact car. This car is as near to perfection as it gets. I am so pissed at Kia. I am keeping my 22 gt2 as long as I can!
The Stinger didn't fail at all. It's brought significant positive brand recognition to Kia. It's a universally loved car but developing the fan base takes time. Lots of time. The Stinger and G70 will be iconic.
100% Agree. I just bought the latest one.
Of course people who couldn't distinguish of the old logo wouldn't buy the car, but the latest one is sexy AF, and I actually start to sense people are looking more for this car.
Whenever I pass somewhere people are looking at it with 100% attention, and get asked what this is a lot of time
@@dretax14 own a ‘20 GT1, and I agree that it’s underrated/largely unknown. It still gets lots of attention.
Love My 2022 GT and it never fails to put a smile on my face and a frown on the BMW's and Audi drivers that don't know the Stinger is way faster than them when they try to take a run at one. And how much did you pay for a BMW, Audi ? WHY and its that slow and how much to maintain with parts :) WHAT you got scammed and how much did it drop in price when you left the dealer ? WOW, how much for car insurance WHAT that's robbery. Sorry BMW, Audi just a little taste from the other end of the stick all in fun and the Merc don't even get a look in.
@@lawmanlawreaper Hahaha yes. You beat most BMWs and AUDIs with this, and you get more people to look at it because its rare. I like how KIA puts everything in it, and yet i paid 25 mils for this car in forint, I could have bought a 440i xdrive for the same price, the Stinger is way too better in anything. A rare car like this will worth more when selling as well
@@layne4376 but they are :)
The Stinger never failed to put a smile on my face. I have a 2018 2.0 and its awesome.
100% agree love My 2022 GT here in Australia
@@lawmanlawreaper how’s the extra 2hp from my 2018 GT lmaooo
2020 2l always drive with a smirk on my face, debadged, noone knows what it is, till I tell'm, they all be AAAAAAAAAAH KIA?? LMAO
@@hardcoremedic I had someone get out of their car at a stoplight. Walked to the front of my car to see what the front badge was. E logo all the way around. 2020 gt2 3.3 tt.
I love my stinger. Never selling or trading. I just feel the stinger wasn't marketed well for people to know how good it was
They'll be so rare in few years, glad to own one and will never sell or trade it for a different car.
What is way worse the badge snobbery, is when a BMW, Audi or Merc tries to drag you in the Kia from the lights and the Kia walks all over them, that smile they had turns into a frown. Poor guy got beat by a Kia worth 1/3 of the price. That's very embarrassing for these badge snobs.
Any Bmw In the same class as the stinger would beat it. Kia sucks compared to bmw Mercedes or Audi. My m240i would beat any Kia on the road. Now that’s embarrassing. Another thing that’s embarrassing is anyone who thinks they are in a nice or fast car when they drive a Kia. Hahaha. Loser 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
@@nickbrunisch3101 what BS are you spewing. Do you how many M240i's I have smashed from the lights. Really champ. I've owned a BMW and never again. They are overated pieces of German crap that require service after service . The one thing that people think when they see a BMW badge is WANKER, and I agree with them. But honestly, how embarrassing is it when a KIA smashes a BMW, that must really butt hurt you hey WANKER. I see I have 9 like against your big fat zero. Nice one loser.
hellcat owner here. hell no the kia stinger never failed. actually i wanted my mom to get the stinger because they are beautiful cars. they sound amazing. when my mother bought her new car (kia optima hybrid) at the end of 2017. we came back to the dealership in 2018 to test drive that car and oh my goodness the kia stinger when you put your foot down on the gas pedal it feels like you are in a real life fast and furious movie. it’s really a beautiful car and i am happy that kia had made a high performance car and i’m genuinely sad that it will be discontinued but i hope they will bring it back and have a supercharged 4 cylinder hybrid making 450 HP :)
I agree with your points and I would add one more. Marketing. Can't believe how many people, still today, have never heard of the Kia Stinger. I get asked frequently, "What kind of car is that?" That's insane!
The first time I saw the Stinger in person was at the 2018 L.A. Auto Show. It was gorgeous! I told my friends that one day I would have that car. My dream came true in April of 2021 when I got my white GT2! I love it!
You mustve not seen the first ad at the nfl superbowl
Daily driving mine 21 GT2 everyday and never failed in my book. For a brand like Kia, Stinger was a success. Success shouldn't depend on how many Kia sold the vehicles, rather it should depend on what they were able to produce against German and American competitors. That alone in my opinion was a success.
A correction: the Stinger was never offered with a manual, the only transmission available was an 8 speed torque-converter auto.
Other than that, a great video! I too am quite sad and angry that the Stinger was not successful, as I hate snobbery in general, with cars, even more. The Stinger's value is unmatched by anything in it's class. But sadly, people clearly don't value their money, and will waste it for a fancy badge.
Can we also add that this car was sold WITH 7 YEAR WARRANTY?!? Something not even closely matched by anything in this class.
I just realised that means that all Stingers are still in factory warranty. Cool.
I swear I had a Mandela effect that the Stinger came with a manual, thank you for correcting me
@@Korrmotive TBH - when I heard you saying it, I had to double-check :D
They actually come with 10 year 100k miles
@@dre_withthek1655 I think it's dependent on the country, I checked, in my country it's only 7 years/150000 kms.
What a load of bull, I'm on to my second stinger now, I absolutely love this car ...this car brings constant attention..its just simply stunning 💥
My only issue is lack of steering feedback. Amazing is comfort but undesirable in sport mode
@@alsayedmohammed2367 totally understand, I changed the wheels and tyres for more grip and have no issues in sport mode. 👍
@@rsg666 the grip is excellent but I feel somewhat isolated to the road. So I don't really feel the grip limit. I don't know if the car is about to lose traction. It just loses traction so it makes me lack confidence. This issue is present in many modern cars. It is a part of the luxury feel.
@@alsayedmohammed2367 if you drive the car in sport plus mode that's when you have a completely crazy machine. I just love my Stinger .
I want one for every year from 18-24
My 2018 Kia Stinger GT Limited still gets attention to this very day.
I've had it 5 years in August '23.
Other than a few paint issues and interior rattles, it's been bulletproof.
Same here, still get people asking me what car it is that I'm driving and looks when I'm parked up.
No regrets with my '23 GT Elite (Canadian spec). Already put 18,000 kms in 4 months and easily survived a rough 7,000 km trip to the Yukon. It's comfortable, fast, smooth and handles exceptionally well for something its size. It was inevitable that it would meet its end soon, but the SUV craze is to blame for that. I still think it would have been cool if they came out with a mild hybrid version; more power and a bit more efficient.
Same, but In Hungary!
Really good job on this video man and I think you highlighted the main problem really well and that is just brand recognition. The Kia stinger is a really good car but it's a shame that the wider population cares more about the brand rather than the actual car.
2018 GTS,... best car I've owned so far. Definitely smiles per gallon.
I have a '22 GT1. Love the car.. the car itself is great. A success performance wise, but your points on market segment and brand snobbery are spot on. I still have people come up to me and don't know what it is.
As a 2021 stinger gt owner, I have to say I'm never selling this car, I have also been at the dealer and heard customers literally say "I love the car but I just can't buy a kia sports car I rather get a dodge" meanwhile I'm face palming Lmfao
Its a shame, but I knew this would happen. It is such a good car, which is why I bought a '23 GT2 back in October
You are spot on. It also failed for another reason. Not many real car guys anymore. Cars used to have knowledgeable fans that didn’t follow the Look At Me car guys. SAAB 900T Is probably the best example. Cult following. Different from Luxury Sports Sedans at the time. Lift back, different Styling, Turbo charged engine. Good handling. Sound familiar. It was never going to have the snob appeal of you know who but enthusiasts could be different and get a different driving experience. I own a Stinger GT to go along with my 84 Maserati BiTurbo. Great car
lol, my gt2 is most commonly confused with a maserati by people not having seen a stinger before. Di you also see this ???.
I love my 3.3T and have 0 regrets. Amazing car, especially tuned! Sounds incredible with borla catback.
I had never even heard of a Stinger until this year. I was looking through reviews trying to decide on what new car I wanted. I looked at Toyota, Genesis and another truck. Nothing tickled my fancy until I looked up quick cars. I seen the Stinger and started researching it. We bought our GT2 fresh off the truck a few months ago. We love the car!! They really should have advertised the car more. As I said, we hadn't even heard of it until this year. I owned an Audi and this car is way nicer.
I’ve traded my Audi s4 for a Stinger gt2 scorpion…this car is awesome!
I went to Kia to sign for my daughters car and there was one in the showroom! I said wtf is that!!!!! Wow is that nice!!! I went back a week later and bought it!! 2023 GT2, white with the red leather interior. Soooo sexy!!
Same here actually. Saw a review by Doug Demuro months ago. I started watching as many videos on UA-cam and in September bought a GT2. Love the car! My only complaints...no remote start, I wish android auto was wireless, and I wish the car was slightly less expensive.
Can you tell me how it is n8cer than an Audi?
And what model car was that?
@chrisoconnor3119 I had a 2013 A6 Prestige. I loved the car, but for 20k less the Stinger has more in it. Hands free driving, nicer look, more comfortable seats, the 360 cameras...
I bought my 2018 Stinger GT2 used and got a hell of a deal. This is my favorite car to drive and so far to own. I hate that I daily drive it far and am racking up the miles on it but I do love the little touches this car has (turns down the radio when reversing, turns down the AC fan when a call comes in etc etc), even the heads up display and ventilated seats. I am spoiled by this car 100%. I was sad to hear KIA gave up on it :( (Reminds me of when Sony gave up on the PS Vita :D )
Enjoy the daily drives, thats what you bought the car for right? to enjoy it so enjoy it whilst driving it daily - I love driving my stinger to work everyday instead of taking public transport.
I love my 19’ GT, best car I’ve owned to date, a real head turner.
Here in Australia the Stinger has found a niche market and plenty of people are still buying them.
I’m part of a group that goes for meets and drives, so awesome to see 26 beautiful, gleaming Stingers in convoy. It might not be the most popular car but those of us whom own one, are kinda crazy 😜 about them lol.
Where are you based? About to take delivery of our Stinger, to replace our V8 Calais. Based near Bega.
@@RaymondToms
I'm in Geelong, Victoria, most of the meets are around country Vic ( last one in Bendigo ) or around Melbourne areas.
i bought the 19 gt1 with the E badge, i get the patented "that's a kia????" every time lol. but seeing where the car's production is going, and how far gone kia has come in the recent years, im holding onto this car for dear life. this thing is gonna be a relic
Well too bad for anyone who hasn’t owned or at least driven the Kia stinger. It’s a magnificent piece of machine which will put excitement on your face anytime you drive it. I own ‘19 GT2 and the way the powertrain is setup is unbelievable, the chassis, the gear shifts, the looks I can go on and on. In my opinion it’s an all round amazing sports sedan which is extremely good at what is says it does and even better. I love the stinger
Greatly put. I own a GT2 which is a truly magnificent work of machinery for the price.
Dude I never write reviews, or like, or go out of my way to subscribe, but this video was so class and well made I assumed it was a large channel or something that made it, but was shocked to only see a few hundred views! I truly hope this comment can inspire you to keep grinding and making some good ass videos man.
The only thing the stinger failed was your opinion. No shade though. Some people are upset it has a "kia" badge in it. I love my 22 3.3l gt1. Lol the stiger came to represent!
2022 Stinger owner here. The Stinger did not sell well because of the badge. Most people buying a $50k car would rather buy a worse car with a "better" badge.
I still want want a stinger to this day it’s a amazing car
It is but, after two years of ownership i'm contemplating what life would have been like had I got something like a used S4 or even a RS3 (5 cylinder ouuu) instead. Thinking I maybe should have gotten something smaller/lighter/sportier/fuel efficient instead. Love my 2020 stinger though,
As a 2018 GT2 owner, bought new, I know what you mean. Since my first car a 1974 Pontiac Formula 400, bought new, I’m old, I’ve leaned towards sporty and quirky cars. Not every vehicle I’ve owned fit that mold, I’m looking at you 2006 Chrysler Town & Country, but I needed a utilitarian vehicle then and it served the purpose quite well. When I could buy a car for my needs I saw this Stinger ad and it was being driven 167MPH on a track. I thought what the hell is that, it’s gorgeous. I did some investigating and decided if I could afford it, it will be mine. In 2018 cars were being discounted and getting a deal $9K off MSRP and more than fair CarMax offer on my Crosstour (previous car) I was in. OMG I loved it so much and still do. I finally again had a car to go to Cars & Coffee and such shows. I had a blast and nobody knew what the car was. It was so much fun for me. I’m keeping mine until my aging body can’t bend to get in. I love this car and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned or driven.
You hit the right note in your video, good job!
Kia can't import them fast enough into Australia. Around a 6 month to a year waiting list!
I was Audi S2 driver before! Now Stinger 2018 and im still happy!
Love the video!
Still love my Stinger GT, best wintercar I've ever owned up here in northern Scandinavia. The competetion, you aren't even supposed to start them at the love temps we get here, the Stinger? Just start and go. Love how it handles in the icy/snowy conditions! Such a shame it seems to have been a fluke for Kia. I really wished they could carry the design over in a hybrid/electric version, but they seem bent on the EV lineup. Tried the EV6, sorely disappointed by looks and handling.
Im a owner of an Stinger diesel here in Stockholm! Nice car i must say!
The only ones that hate the stinger are those that haven't experienced it or simply don't understand it.
22 GT1 AWD owner here. This car hasn't failed me. I bought it Sept 21 and have driven the heck out of it. Love it! Had a guy at a gas station say hey love your Maserati.. I just laughed..
I HAVE A 2022 Genesis G70 Sports Prestige 3.3., it's a little bit lighter than the stinger, and it's fast as hell. I went looking for a stinger, saw the G70, and it was love at first sight. The interior quality and. overall bespoke feel of everything Is incredible?
I have a 2021 GT2 Ceramic Silver and the compliments and looks I get is worth every penny I paid for it. It is the best car I have ever owned and I am in my 50’s and have had many many cars!
I’m not sure you could call the stinger a fail. I have owned multiple amg cars, mustangs and others and love the stinger. It’s an under rated car for the reason that people are more obsessed with the front emblem. If they could look past that they would have been able to experience an amazing car. That car brought Kia from a throw away brand to a real competitor.
Good reviews, Stinger is a victim of SUVs generation. There's a lot of chances of Stinger in the future, cause KIAs Electric Vehicles strategy. My Korean friends told me there will be Stinger EV.
Stinger somewhat represent resilient spirit that challenge over priced german cars(yet unreliable and money pit).
Honestly I think some of the biggest haters of the car were actually people who were secretly the biggest cheerleaders or fans who just couldn't afford to buy it and as far as performance you have people who compare their V8 sports cars to this 3.3 liter V6 and get dirted in a race😅😂
I have a Stinger GT and absolutely love it. The video is pretty well spot on about 2 things:
1. SUV dominance
2. Badge snobs.
I've had plenty of admiration for my Stinger but also some badge snob comments from others.
There is also another factor I believe. Getting in and out of the Stinger. It's very low to the ground and for a lot of people not easy to climb in and out of.
So many reviewers saying however about competing with BMW, Mercedes and Audi but not properly clarifying like in this video. It doesn't directly complete a new sales car. A BMW 320 with much less equipment is significantly more expensive than a top spec Stinger GT, let alone a BMW M340i. Ditto for an Audi A4. Where it does complete is a new Stinger vs a second hand German car. And in that case, the reviewer is correct. Most people would rather go for the established luxury German marque than the Stinger. Even going so far as to purchase with little or no warranty left.
I'll be looking forward to buying a stinger on the very cheap as we head into a very severe economic recession. I like it for the batch snobbery alone. Cannot stand BMWs or Mercedes and the majority of the people that drive them.
Stinger is awesome! You won't have any regrets. I have a 2019 GT and I love every drive I take. I have a Suzuki Kizashi for a daily driver because I love my Stinger so much, don't like adding miles to it. 😁
It didn't fail, instead it brought KIA cache. It's being replaced after 5-6 years. They're now replacing their entire line into hybrids and ev's. I own one and it's really fast. People walk up and ask me what it is or compliment the looks. The hatchback makes it incredibly useful. More useful than a traditional sedan. Badge snobbery is definitely an issue. The car was very affordable and there was no way I was going to pay twice as much for a German badge that would be in the shop all the time.
Had my 2020 GT Ltd for 2 yrs now. Never failed to impress me every day I drive it. Only failure are the people who missed on tube chance to own one for a fraction of the cost of the Audio, BMW, Mercedes equivalent.
You know you have a sweet ride when a Masareti owner says "Nice Looking Car" after he circles to take a look.
I own a Bentley , a Maserati a Range Rover and now I bought the new 2023 Kia Stinger GT Tribute. I would say it’s a car for a niche of society. Those who are wealthy and wouldn’t mind driving a Kia with a German / Italian touch, because after all they already own German / Italian cars. I believe Kia did a great job with the stinger and even greater when making it unique. This will be soon a collection car . I’m a proud Stinger Tribute owner
I have a 2022 GT-Line AWD and love driving it every day. It looks great and runs great. Unfortunately, Americans have decided they want to drive monster-size vehicles for reasons I will never understand. It is entirely possible that most Americans are not car enthusiasts and wouldn't know a winner when they saw one.
Since KIA put the new badge on their cars and updated the infotainment screen to an actual adult sized one i have been seeing a ton of stingers and K5 around
Most people here in London/UK don't know what the stinger is, so I get a lot of looks and attention and people asking me what car I'm driving. When I tell them its a kia and that i chose it to be different from a BMW,Audi or Merc, they give me respect and say good choice and that its true, too many mercs,BMWs and Audis around.
I have the 2018 2.2 diesel, i always get a "great maserati!"
You nailed it in this video. I own a Stinger Gt2 and its one hell of a car. Kia could have marketed it better and more often and sales may have been better but unfortunately they could get their crap together well enough. It didnt flop, people just didnt take the time to test drive it before they made judgement. Lets hope the electrified version comes out soon, the concept photos look amazing.
Trying buying a premium level car from a dealer network that doesn’t coincide with the target market. It’s such a runaround
A year ago bought the '22 GTLINE (US). Sadly I was forced to get the AWD ver - rwd not easily available in my area. With the crazy used car market, it was the perfect opportunity to get into something else.
The 2.5T checks off more boxes than not. Build quality is about as expected for the price point.
Dealer network needs LOTS of improvement.
I have purchased a 2021 Kia Stinger gt-line all-wheel drive last July and I'm contemplating buying the Kia Stinger GT model very very soon the market and the offers on mine are 28 n 29 k at best it only has 29 k but I surely can't wait after watching Stinger GT videos all the time!!🔥💯 Bad Ass cars
The reason it failed is because it's a Kia.
2021 M5 owner here. Previously 2018 M550 Xdrive
I just bought a 23 GT2 and I absolutely love it!!! Best car I’ve ever owned!!!
Kia made a hasty decision. Kia shouldn't have discontinued Stinger and rather kept it available for markets where Mercedes, BMW and Audi are too expensive for the buyers but they want a sports saloon. These markets are actually quite big.
Great Video! This is the best explanation on UA-cam as to what happened to this car. I have a 2022 Stinger and It's so unfortunate that they discontinued it because It's really a great car. I get lots of compliments and no one has ever shamed me for it being a Kia. More often, people are very surprised that it's a Kia because it looks somewhat exotic. On one hand, I'm sad to see it go, but on the other hand, there won't be many on the road, making it rare (and maybe sought after). Would be cool to get an EV version too, but it looks like they already have an EV crossover-type on the streets that they are invested in.
It failed miserably in Europe because the Skoda Superb did all of the stuff the Stinger is doing, though it was cheaper and much more user-friendly and practical.
Yeap it being compared to luxury brands is why it didn't sell, because people just went and bought the luxury car instead. Every fanboy in the comments was saying , why pay 60k for a Mercedes C class when u can have a fully loaded singer for 50... But those people never bought either and people with the money just bought the C class
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Social acceptance? Come on. 5 years warranty. I had Audis and mercedes and had many issues.
It wasn't a failure...it did a LOT to elevate the brand. It's a stunning vehicle and my guess the brand new Kia EV5 Concept could be the spiritual successor (EV5 Stinger would work). It is NOT the brand, but just one of MANY sedans that will be phased out as a result of the insatiable appetite for SUVs. Was the Mazda RX7 a failure? The Toyota MR2?
The proof that it is NOT the brand is the fact that the Genesis G70 is cleaning house and challenging BMW/Benz/Audi and actually beating the Germans at their own game. Call ANY Genesis dealer and ask them how many used Genesis G70s they have? Ask them about the wait times? Now contact your BMW dealer and see how many X3's they have. Genesis can't make the G70 fast enough. My point is, brand cache is important, but it is possible for an upstart to overtake the established German brands, so it's NOT just the Kia badge that led to this..
Kia Stinger is a car for people that don't give a fuck about the badge! It's 4 people that just love to enjoy beautifull and amaizing car, as it is !
I don't drive a car because of it's brand reputation, that's just being fake to the core !
Honestly its in a league of its own as far as what you get for the price point. The styling, the engine, the tech. it was a no brainer for me when i got my 2018 GT.
Closest possible sports sedan in the same price point would be a Genesis or an Infiniti of some description. But the styling and stance on those cars just does not match the Stinger.....
I would have had to fork out alot more dollars for an XE or XF Jag to get what the stinger offers. Imho
Dealer over pricing didn't help either I'm
I never heard of or even saw a stinger till one summer evening a year and a half ago at a chick filet ,once I saw the stinger I told my girlfriend what a nice looking car and I really wanted on ,so I purchased a 2021 kia stinger gt,twin turbo V6 ,Aurora Black ,the car is beautiful and alot of fun to drive ,I'm glad I purchased this vehicle, it's awesome
I respect Kia for coming out with the stinger but I believe it fell flat for multiple reasons. Kia even today does not have the brand backing that other companies do. Yes it has improved but given a choice between a kia and a toyota most people will still choose the ladder, and this is even before you bring up the Germans. Secondly, the stinger was priced to high in my opinion. In 2022 the base stinger costs 36.5k. Yes thats about 4-6k (about the same price as an Audi A4 if you are comparing AWD apples to AWD apples) less than it's competitors but the issue is that the competitors have been leading the segment for a long time and many straight up have better performance numbers. I think they should have undercut their competitors by a lot then slowly increased the price as the car gained popularity. Also, They never came out with a super performance version, competitors to M, AMG, RS. The Luke warm performance sedan only works if you have a big hitter to aspire to, benz and bmw starting to realize this as they put amg and m badges on everything. Also, I think they needed to promote their massive warranty a lot more and make that as a major selling point as it is a major advantage against German cars. My Ideal Kia stinger would have been a M3 fighter for the price of a 340i with that 100k mile warranty.
I believe Kia didn't give the Stinger enough time to get people to become acquainted to it. Having driven one, I am thrilled in every aspect. Kia has made a mistake in killing off the stinger prematurely, in my opinion.
I am sorry to see it go and no opportunity to place an order for one due to Kia closing the order book.
I think if it sported a TT V8 (500hp) with a mean growl or a Hybrid V6 with around 450hp, it would have easily swayed so many more people into buying it. I bought my GT2 back in 2018 for my birthday. I love it and have thrown a bunch of carbon fiber parts on it with beautiful HF5 20s. Straight piped, but I only wish it had a V8 or better gas mileage. LMAO!
The EV6 GT is prob the replacement performance halo car. Both SUV style and electric. I have a '17 GT and its prob the best car I've owned, ticks so many boxes even for a young family.
Outstanding vid keep it up 💙🧡
I think Kia dealership experience made a negative ding for the Kia Stinger thing to compete with brands with much better dealership experience. Anytime eI have gone to a Kia dealership it was not a great experience.
Not at all. This car want meant to be driven by the same audience as the q50, tlx, is350. It was never mean to be a mass market sedan. Remember when they thought no one would buy the v6tt
We were all waiting for a 2nd generation to fix its interior build quality with better luxury and those horrible fake bonnet grills, but it....but it never happened.
So stinger didn't sell 😒
Love not seeing me coming and going everywhere! My 2020 Gt line is so practical and a blast to drive! I can get 35 MPGs on the highway easy! Thx.
Wait i searched for KIA STINGER MODS..LATER
Failed? The car didn't fail. I enjoy driving my 2020 awd gt just fine. Plenty of good cars that don't sell well, doesn't mean they're failures. Most people drive boring ass CUVs and SUVs. I'm glad I bought the car before I couldn't. Missed the boat on a G8 gt and the Chevy SS. Those were good cars as well. It's been the best car we've owned and we own Jeep, Mercedes and Ford.
It didn't fail at all. Sadly in the UK British press snobs struggled to see past the badge. Articles like this pushing nonsense.
I think that the reason you gave are true. Still if I'm not mistaken kia sold around 80k stingers just in North America. That's not far behind audi S5, even though we don't really know how many S5 were sold out of the A5 lineup. I love my 2020 stinger GT limited.
I don't really care about the badge I used to drive expensive European snob doesn't make me look better.i just bought a stinger 2 months ago 2022 it is nice and comfortable and I am very happy with it.
The kill stinger, my favorite car to design the look and it's performance is great. Bring it back. I don't want electric car.
I thought about getting a Stinger. I could not climb over the fact that it is a Kia though. So i skipped and went with my Honda Accord 2022 Sport 2.0
The stinger failed for one reason. It is missing a clutch.
The marketing didn't help. The launch went well, they were all over Waterloo Station in London for a while. The initial ads were great. Then ... nothing! To change brand perception is not a one shot process: you need to keep hammering away over a period of many years. Kia gave up with the marketing in the UK after six months.
I love my 2020 Indigo Edition!
When you are different people notice. Anyone can drive an old beat up bmw.
Great cars from Kia and Genesis. Great buys when their prices drop.
Also, "Its a KIA" is something they want to get rid of. At this price and performance, it's going to make people realize kia can hold their own against the german sports sedans.
It didn't fail bro it was never mentioned to be a high volume seller
I own a GT1 and it’s an absolute blast to drive
I wanted one of these from the time they came out and not too long ago I purchased a 2018 Kia Stinger GT2, after 2 days of owning it with 30,000 miles on it the check engine light came on it was messing with the computer and many other things after putting it in the Kia dealership three different ones and they couldn't figure out how to fix their own car I understand the reason for the flop it was a beautiful car but they have no clue what they're doing I traded that sucker in as fast as I could and bought a Toyota TRD is it as luxury as the Stinger no but do I worry about breaking down in it no
This is nothing more than an advertisement for Stinger.. German made for Kia end of story.
How is the Stinger 'a failure'?
I buy a car to satisfy one person.....me.
I have a 2020 Stinger GT and have over 30,000k's on it.
Happy as a pig in poo and still smiling.
It looks like a top trim Optima. I should have been a more unique design.
Who said it failed?
It failed?
I love my stinger gt2 its literally the best car made in the last decade, easily kias best car ever. Americans are stupid and only want suvs and trucks.... The stinger is the perfect blend of performance, luxury and practicality. The g70 is worse no adaptive suspension no good brakes and most of all no liftgate. If kia wanted to move to EV's literally just make an ev version of this exact car. This car is as near to perfection as it gets. I am so pissed at Kia. I am keeping my 22 gt2 as long as I can!
I cry all that way to the bank love stinger gt!
It didn't fail. It was not meant to be a popular car.
I have an 2022 gt stinger and I simply love it. I SELL MY M3 2011 TO BOUGHT IT.