Nick Bostrom: Superintelligence, Posthumanity, and AI Utopia | Robinson's Podcast
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
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Nick Bostrom is a Swedish philosopher who was most recently Professor at Oxford University, where he served as the founding Director of the Future of Humanity Institute. He is best known for his book Superintelligence (Oxford, 2014), which covers the dangers of artificial intelligence. In this episode, Robinson and Nick discuss his more recent book, Deep Utopia: Life and Meaning in a Solved World (Ideapress, 2024). More particularly, they discuss the alignment problem with artificial intelligence, the problem of utopia, how artificial intelligence-if it doesn’t make our world horrible-could make it wonderful, the future of technology, and how humans might adjust to a life without work.
Nick’s Website: nickbostrom.com
Deep Utopia: a.co/d/b8eHuhQ
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00:00 Introduction
02:50 From AI Dystopia to AI Utopia
9:15 On Superintelligence and the Alignment Problem
17:48 The Problem of Utopia
28:04 AI and the Purpose of Mathematics
38:59 What Technologies Can We Expect in an AI Utopia?
43:59 Philosophical Problems with Immortality
55:14 Are There Advanced Alien Civilizations Out There?
59:54 Why Don’t We Live in Utopia?
Robinson’s Website: robinsonerhardt.com
Robinson Erhardt researches symbolic logic and the foundations of mathematics at Stanford University. Join him in conversations with philosophers, scientists, weightlifters, artists, and everyone in-between.
No questions about what happened at Future of Humanity Institute?
The real question is what happened to Vitalik's $600m shiba donation.
Does it matter?
@@jimbojimbo6873 Ha Ha, OK, "nothing to see here," right?
Always a danger when most of his utopias sound like hell.
As always, great interview!
I recommend Adam Greenfield's book, Radical Technologies, which explores the significant human and cultural trade-offs involved in the use of current technologies. Perhaps you could even consider arranging an interview with him.
Adam's approach highlights that implementation of technology cannot be separated from politics (relations of power), and that reaching a posthuman state cannot occur without destabilizing human values in profound ways.
Why do you have so few subs Robinson? Is it something to do with your tagging or your 'backend'. Seems you should be on 300k subs given your output, guests and quality.
I cannot see that any of the characteristics, traits limitations or experiences that make us individuals would survive or have a place in the ultimate utopias that you describe. I cannot see that there would be reasons for the relationships we currently form to sustain us. This all causes me to rethink what utopia might mean in a human centric context
Fine talk !
Great explication of the various categories of utopia. Post instrumental world as regards discovering the “hidden nature” of math and the future trajectory of math was fascinating. Math as a choice of being “blissed out”, in a post instrumental world. Sociology of why we do math, the business of understanding rather than just proof. Downloading and bypassing basics to reach higher levels of abstraction with minimum effort. Wow! Technological mature society and imagination….yes, the optimum synthesis via super intelligence. Love the positive vibe, as a foil to the negative opinions doing the rounds about where we are headed. My man Robinson delivering the goods and keeping us positive. Hey pins 🐈 and Mishka! Nice tats Robinson. Geesling Bernardo.
I can’t wait to read his book - sounds amazing
he's also a racist - "Fifteen months ago Bostrom was forced to issue an apology for comments he’d made in a group email back in 1996, when he was a 23-year-old postgraduate student at the London School of Economics. In the retrieved message Bostrom used the N-word and argued that white people were more intelligent than black people."
Considering a project where a person documents daily experiences, thoughts, feelings and personal history in a diary specifically for a future AGI’s learning. Do you think such a personalised dataset could enhance an AGI’s ability to understand and interact with individuals on a deeper level? And lastly, is it feasible to expect an AGI to become a close, personal companion based on this method, or would it somehow be redundant useless data? Thank you for the answer.
A nice one
Excellent on how to draw logically sound and intuitive conclusions from wrong premises😄😄
As an extensive user of my 'watch later' playlist, it's weird i don't seem to be able to save these particular podcasts for some reason?
How do we change humanity so we don't have an overabundance of wanting to kill each other if someone else has the "wrong ideas?"
Amazing to listen to. Is it possible though however, that human motivation is not exclusively from the desire to want more than the other person/country/planet,etc.?
This show is what Lex Friedman markets himself as but isn’t. You’re the real deal, Mother Goose!
Interview Joseph Tainter and Yanis Varoufakis
The final cat comment made me lol
Please interview Paul Kennedy and David Hackett Fischer
That was really cool. Thanks for this work you do. To say a comment... Hmmm. Freud, Heidegger, Derrida, Blanchot, or Life/Death are the Same. More we talk about infinite Life... it is Death. More we talk about Death, we are in Life... Together. In Life we are separate. Soap Box is calling. Nice work man. James
29:46 We have that already, it's named MDMA
A real life Dr.Doom
48:25 wow cool 😎 sign me up
The macrocosm rules. The lifespan for this era is 120 years.
We have a way of anthropomorphizing the prospect of super intelligence in algorithms;
It occurs to me that the most efficient MO for a super intelligent robot is to simply shut down, if it’s truly intelligent at all it isn’t bound to human impulse,
I’d expect it to be more wise and morally courageous
Progress in sentiment life is driven by emotional need, doing the right thing is a sort of super sentience
We take to hobbies as a pleasure to our emotions, we create in this way to improve our general capacity, not because we are the best at it or we would call it a profession
Life is problem solving, the only utopia is in an individual understanding this;
The robo-industrial civilization is always breaking down, it needs constant creative maintenance and improvement, there is no endgame
People pursue empty drug bliss as a last resort when they are barred from pursuing their curiosity;
Downloading skill and understanding is fantastical, muscle memory and intellectual brawn emerge from complex activity;
We can trigger neurons in a sophisticated way but human thought doesn’t translate into binary, they’re fundamentally different systems like letters and numbers, they’re not interchangeable
I should rather say math and language
Mmm why do Bostrom's utopias sound like dystopias?
Because they dont.
Bump
Well the neoliberal project manipulated gratitude through pauperization. Is it equivalent to be grateful you don't expire horribly each day to not being homeless or getting free coffee at work.
You two have depressed me! 😢
Even if A.I. leads to “deep utopia”, it still sound like hell to me. There would be no payout for human effort. Ergo, it seems like a choice between annihilation and deep s-risk.
First!
Oh no everyone's gonna feel good and be happy? How on earth will I be able to still feel special and important?
There will be a special electrical signal giving you that sensation. Satisfied?
@@ikotsus2448 I was being sarcastic
@@chill_yall6439 I know. So was I.
Instruction and answers to math. first then programming as a zombie to the Dictator.
When people are not spiritual they can be very limited in their thinking. From a spiritual perspective we are the microcosm of the macrocosm so we, as humans, have no limits. We can use A.I. as a useful, helpful, tool. Still, we are the masters of the universe because we are the universe. The key is not conquering the universe but perfect alignment with it. Alignment is the key. That is not understood yet as the human ego is hard to get past. It is hard to understand that we have to die, to the ego, in order to live. Christ, no surprise, was right.
I know this may be to much of a simple a suggestion.
However if AI gets out of hand.
Couldn’t we just unplug the machines and take out the batteries and start again?
no
An out of hand superintelligence will not throw a tantrum so we can unplug it. It may make itself useful, make us embed it in all aspects of society and strike when it has found a way which we will not be able to defend against. The premise is that it is smarter than us. It allready works at a must faster timescale.
@@ikotsus2448 I never liked taking no for an answer but yours I really enjoyed 🤣🤣🤣
@@ikotsus2448Assuming this superintelligence isn't a conscious being it's not going to "strike" anyone. It doesn't have any plans, it only does what it's programmed to do, in a more or less predictable way. If it indeed does something akin to "striking" the fault is with the person who created the superintelligence, not the superintelligence itself
@@timtopsnav LLM's are not programmed, they learn from data (the learning process is programmed) and are not predictable. Consiousness has nothing to do with this.. You have some catching up to do. I hope you do not take offense.
I can just imagine what the authorities at Oxford said to justify shutting down Nick Bostrom's phony "institute":
"Dr. Bostrom, we believe that the purpose of science is to serve mankind. You, however, seem to regard science as some kind of dodge or hustle. Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe. Your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable. You are a poor scientist, Dr. Bostrom."
What a disgustingly simple "idea'. Saying it is close to be living in Thailand doing nothing, browsing "the internet" makes it seem tantalizingly close? Can someone tell me what this guy is saying?
First you need to say what you are saying.
@@rightcheer5096 What?
Hey nick would you become a cyborg?
"Recursive self improvement" is sus imo.
Just get on with it
What? 😂
Pin's Yaaaawwwn :))
"Fifteen months ago Bostrom was forced to issue an apology for comments he’d made in a group email back in 1996, when he was a 23-year-old postgraduate student at the London School of Economics. In the retrieved message Bostrom used the N-word and argued that white people were more intelligent than black people." Why do you have racists on your show, Robinson? Is it because you agree with them on racism?
Yeah this interview is a real disappointment for me, and from somebody who was really gaining my respect.
He calls himself a philosopher? These are baby thoughts. Sci-fi authors are way ahead of him.
Ban social impact bonds crypto and ESG
No game B no web 3 no dcent
I like your channel, sorry about your aids
When I learned that Nick Bostrom believes in "Effective Altruism", my respect for him was greatly diminished.
you mean the long-term part of it?
Aside from SBF, name one legitimate criticism of EA. You should expect him to believe in the longtermist parts already given his futurist bent.
You're a bot or a troll. Disgusting.
@@aaronclarke1434…aside from a guy who ran a scam to the tune of the GDP of whole countries on the ethical basis EA agrees with… lol solid rhetoric.
It provides the facade of ethical responsibility which happens to function beautifully as a front for run-of-the-mill cynical capitalism and convinces credulous self-styled intellectuals that their own commodity fetishes might not just be not-bad but instead are good, actually. That’s one.
We need to encourage people to become active participants in creating the future. Most utopia discussion occurs around a docile population being told what to work on. What if we make it the norm where people grow up and are expected to build something interesting for the world to use as a whole? Everyone is a buainess owner because the bar is now so low.
Its wrong to extrapolate today's loser population forward. I think its best to assume we will have a new guiding philosophy such as e/acc