Up To 7h 20m: Air Canada’s New Longest Boeing 737 MAX Route
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Air Canada recently added three routes to its summer 2025 European network. There's Toronto to Prague (a route which was last served by leisure-subsidiary Rouge in October 2019), there’s Montreal to Naples (an airport pair not previously served by any airline), and then there’s Montreal to Porto (a service which will compete directly with Air Transat's Airbus A321LRs). Only Montreal-Porto will be on Air Canada's Boeing 737 MAX 8.
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7 hours in a 3 by 3 with 2 toilets at the back for economy, that is hell
Especially with both lavs in the back galley, no thanks
Good grief, economy flights are nothing to look forward to. The sardine can thinking by airlines continue to put passenger comfort laser. Some cheap airfares are not worth the pain.
What do u expect? shower onboard 😅😅😅
Hell is less punishing than flying in a 17 inch seat on a MAX for 6+ hours
@@prasenjittripura4691 Some people seem to expect a chauffeur, a michelin-starred chef preparing their dinner, 2 seats to themselves on the flight, and photographers waiting for them in the terminal at destination, all of this for half the price of economy.
Copa Airlines has been packing passengers like sardines on 737s in 7h long flights for decades.
Copa has lie flat seats on their Max 9s.
@@martymcfly256 But that is a new addition when they got their Max planes. Most of their first class seats are typical recliners.
I think a plane is still a plane and I’m happy to have narrow-bodies open up new destinations and more places for me to fly on more airlines and more routes!
Love it! 😍
With the reputation of 737 max, there is still an airline dare to operate this kind of plane for trans Atlantic route. 😮
Its never had an issue with the engines, which is the main worry with transatlantic
NEVER setting foot on one of those things!!!
@@MrHav1k loads of max arrive safely without any incidents.max is safer than cars at least.and max is better than the scarebuses
Thank you for the nice video about single aisle long distance flights. I would like to know more about onboard service like seat equipment and meal and other services.
Narrow body long haul - sounds delightful
Exactly 🤮
It's not the plane, it's the seat.
I never did get the allure of wide body.
It’s a mess boarding and deboarding. Just what I want.. making a long flight even longer.
@@MODECHARLIE How exactly does the seat matter when there is a single aisle and it's blocked with a couple of service carts for 2 hours?
You can sit in a cramped space with 120 people or sit in a cramped space with 400.
I can see them upgrading this route to the A321XLR once they receive their first deliveries. Not only would it be easier with the extended range, but they would also have the added capacity from the MAX 8.
More legroom needed.
I flew for Fiji Airways. Our longest non stop flight was from Nadi to Honolulu clocking in at 2760 nautical miles. Back in the day the route was covered by both the B737-800 and 700. Very capable aircraft to say the least. My average block times ranged from 06:50 to 07:15. The 07:15 block accounted for a very long taxi from the terminal to RWY 08-R, referred to as the “Reef Runway”. Far cry from when I started flying the Boeing 737 in the 80s. A long flight was considered from Newark to West Palm Beach.
I flew the Transat A321LR between Toronto and Manchester and actually enjoyed it. Flight was comfy, service was good, and the crew moved us to better seats after take off.
Compare that to flying that route on a Thomas Cook 757-200 when Transat code shared with them, and it felt cramped and service was average.
I have flown LHR-JFK once on a narrow body. It was okay because the journey lasted under 4 hours. I really miss Concord.
Welcome to Porto Air Canada ❤
Not to mention that Air Canada has reintroduced a route from Ottawa to London on the Boeing 787-900 which was previously operated by Boeing 767-300ER
As ex cabin crew, it’s back to no crew rest. Nowhere to sit that’s not by a toilet and the lack of toilets could be an issue on those 7 or 8 hour flights.
On the flip side, new destinations always a good thing.
Pax from Porto to Montreal will love it when they make a fuel stop in the winter.
Air Canada needs to roll out their Airbus A321XLR's right now! They could add more destinations such as Berlin, Budapest, Helsinki, Oslo, Warsaw, etc. You would probably see them switch many European routes that operate the Boeing 737 MAX or Boeing 787's, such as Brussels, Copenhagen, Dublin, Edinburgh, Geneva, Lisbon, Madrid, Manchester, Prague, Reykjavik, and Stockholm.
Horaaay !… come on MAX !… you can do it !!…💪🏽👍🏼😂
Max will prove it to airbus
@@chucky6187 > Yess broo !… sure !
Don’t know what the big deal is here, years ago all long haul flights were performed by narrow bodies. Admittedly they had four engines rather than the current trend for just two.
years ago was the seat config the same?
@@exempli646yes. DC8s and B707s were a 3-3 configuration in economy and 2-2 in first class. Today’s B757s are 3-3 in economy while B787s are primarily 3-3-3 in economy.
Years ago the longest routes were 3 hours. OK for 1 to 2 toilets. 5 hours is too long on a narrow body.
Seat pitch the same?
Just last month I flew on Air Transat's A321LR service from YUL to BSL and DUB to YYZ, in their Club Class. It was alright but probably nothing I would repeat. In March I flew Copa Airlines' Max 9 from PTY to EZE and back. Copa does it right and puts lie flat seats on their Max 9 aircraft. I don't care if I'm on a narrow or wide body plane, but I do want a lie flat seat for long haul flights.
Well done air Canada. 😮Certainly good news that the Max can fly the distance safely. If I have to fly a narrow body for that distance, I would have to fly business class to get the legroom and space.
Unlike most other carrier that operate single-isle jets, Air Canada’s cabin configuration isn’t optimized for overseas flights and leads to an uncomfortable experience for both passengers and crew. Most carriers opt for a tradition full aft galley with traditional positioning of lavoratories in the back. However, Air Canada’s 737 MAXs feature a tighter half galley with the two lavs sandwiched in the back as well. This is sub-optimal at best and has more drawbacks.
People seem to think flying a US carrier is cheaper. I fly to Mexico each winter and the cheapest air fare is Air Canada, by far!
Rouge will most likely start Europe and Hawaii again starting next year which will be nice to see
The problem with AC's MAX on YUL-OPO is that its business class is still the old-style 2+2 recliner configuration. That was designed for 3-hour short haul flights. On a 7-hr red-eye, business class passengers expect lie-flat seats. Flydubai, COPA and Singapore Airlines have all put lie-flat seats in their MAX without reducing the number of economy class seats. AC needs to up their games if they want to put their MAX onto European routes. Or else the "business class" section should only be called and sold as Premium Economy. Westjet is indeed selling their MAX premium section as PE instead of Business on their European routes.
In comparison, A220s from airBaltic routinely fly from Riga to Tenerife , a distance of 2,948 miles...😊
Man. 7 hours and 20 minutes stuffed in a 737 Max like an anchovy in oil sounds like a hellish nightmare.
I'm not liking the trend of the 737 Max and A321XLR/neo being used for longer transatlantic routes. Air Canada loves doing these types of routes in Halifax for transatlantic flights (WestJet also does this) and the longest domestic flight (Halifax-Vancouver) in Canada, all on the 737 Max. Sometimes though they'll use an A330 on a route as short as Montreal-Halifax and vice versa. At least Air Canada's 737 Max's are pretty nice, but there's still a flight time limit where its bearable.
gol is going to fly from gru to sjo on a boeing 737MAX and its going to be 2989 nautical miles long starting november
Forgetting climate emergency, I don't have a problem flying in a narrowbody. I do have a problem with a 7 hour flight on a plane configured to serve1 hour hops between Montréal and Toronto, with limited galley capacity and limited toiletsand 0 seat pitch. Deploying domestic 737s instead of waiting for 321s hopefully configured for long haul will give AC a bad image (but then again, that is what AC is striving for) and people will choose Transat.
Air Canada needs to realise that Transat has improved since its charter carrier days, and that Air Canada's continued quest to drop its service to the charter era Transat levels is misquided and has already brought it to below Transat's levels.
As cabin crew I avoid like the plague working ultra long haul narrow body flights. As a passenger I avoid sitting in a seat for a long haul narrow body flight. That includes either the premium cabin or the economy cabin. Narrow body is narrow body and it comes up the same. It is very uncomfortable and akin to medieval torture.
Imagine if Air Canada does a transatlantic route on the CS300/A220-300.
Is there a market for Air Canada 737 Max from Canada to Manchester(UK) instead of them using their "heavies" (B787) or do they fill their "heavies" from Manchester.
Somehow its similar like you have a range Like combination Of passanger below 180, but the range could be Like 737-700ER That could be similar with XLR
Going over the ocean in a max. 😮
Just because a narrowbody can do the distance doesn't mean it should. From purely environmental point of view, I'd like to see the fuel burn per person for a whole bunch of 737s doing 7 hours point-to-point flights vs hub-spoke approach with large aircraft doing the trans-atlantic to a hub and then train or short domestic flights for last mile. And I have to wonder about the trans-atlantic airway capacity if instead of a few hundred wide bodies, they start flying thousands of 737s and seeing Ryannair compete against Southwest between Dallas and London on 737s.
It's going to be a nightmare if they extend the 737 max range to handle Asia pacific flights. Flying economy for 15 hours to Hong Kong using the 787 is already tough enough
"Poor-two"
Flying this POS from YYZ to YHX in the bulkhead row was PAINFUL and I even paid extra to sit there... zero legroom. Couldn't imagine doing it for 7+hours.
Yikes! Anything over 4 hours in a narrow body (regardless of the brand) is a tough slog. But economically it makes sense. Hats off to those that are able to endure!!
Brrrrrr going on any Boing 737 Max would be a nightmare. But this????
Air Crappy wants you to sit for 7:20 with seat pitch of 29" in their Max planes. I'll take the A321LR, at least they give you a 31" seat pitch, and a much nicer plane
B707, DC8
MUCH more room on 4 engines and NOT taking 7 hours either. NO comparison
@christopherescott6787
Uh.. no. The 707 was the same size and the DC-8 was even smaller.
And otherwise who cares about how much room the A340 or A380 or 747 has when they jam more people in there. I flew LH 747 from FRA to YVR and I was a sardine. Boarding and deboarding was hellish.
@@christopherescott6787 Nope. DC8 was narrower and 707 only a little longer in the cabin. Number of engines makes no difference to the passenger experience. The 707 and DC8 only flew slightly faster too so no difference there. They were an order of magnitude more dangerous than the 737Max could ever dream of so there is that. Legroom was an airline decision of the time. If 707s and DC8s somehow flew today, they would gave exactly the same legroom as any other aircraft. People have no idea how good they have it these days. Loads and loads of safe affordable travel options to choose from.
@@christopherescott6787there isn’t a difference in seat size between the 707 and 737
@@JayJayAviation Not back in the day there wasn't. That's because you had 2 classes. First and economy. Non of this marketing BS of eco plus,premium plus ect.Seat sizes were standard airline to airline. For comparison sake, Boeing 707-320B 152 ft 11 in ,141 passengers. Boeing 737 MAX 10 143 ft 8 in, 204 passengers So 63 pax more in a aircraft 9 feet shorter. What the poor sucker in premium plus is paying huge for is no better than economy was 50 years ago.
Can we at least tell which contries are those cities are.....
I haven't flown on a narrow-body aircraft for anything longer than four hours. I would hate being in one for 7 or more hours! Wide-body aircraft please!!
That's a scary prospect
No reason why Air Canada can’t fly the B737max daily outside the summer season between Toronto and Manchester.
They could be waiting for the A321XLR
@@Harry-A321NEO > A321XLR just have a problem with fuel system … 1st france - NY rtb .. 2nd attempt divert Dublin .. 🤓🤓🤓
Is that long enough for the MAX?
Or better still the A220
@@alasdairblack393airbus a220-300 doesnt have enough range
This is the reason why the A321XLR will succeed with airlines. Passengers are getting used to flying longhaul in narrowbody aircraft.
Personally, I don't like it... not even a little bit.
The number of people who will write anything here, as long as they type "cattle", "livestock" or "sardine" simply because they have seen these words hundreds of times before...
What a tragic days we're all living now. Narrowbody aircraft doing longhaul flights 😢
Flying Air Canada is already a horrible experience. Over 7 hours on an Air Canada 737 Max can qualify as cruel and inhumane torture,
Yayyyy🎉🎉
7 plus hours in a narrow body?? Only if the price comes down by a decent margin! The same price as a wide body is a no show for me!
I suppose it's fine for long-haul lower volume to be able to get a direct flight, but I'd sure hate to be in the cheap seats, and I hope they have REAL business class seats instead of the domestic first class/business class, which is not first class at all.
This route is now known as "Dignitas Canada" 😅
I didn’t know the equip. The 737 with HF radios?
HF and satcom with CPDLC
@@canofanger sure ain’t dads 737-200.
What Air Canada, Transat, and Westjet are doing are simple aviation atrocities in Canada. Just because small narrow bodies can fly longer with an extra fuel tank, doesn’t mean you send them 6-7-8 hour trips. I get that Canada is a thinly populated country, but having just two bathrooms, almost no food on board, and everything including water for purchase on 7 hour flights have driven Canadian aviation to an absolute rock bottom.
Flying a Boeing aircraft, let alone a MAX, is something i'd rather not do, not even mentioning the fact that most of the Porto route is over the ocean.
Not gonna happen for me.
I think comfort wise it won't be a problem, but hygiene on a 7+ flight on a 'small' aircraft 🤔 is or could be something else. But maybe I'm too negative on this, and will it be the same like on any other aircraft!
Bloody hell. I am not happy flying in a 73 for 40 minutes. Air Canada, will have to pay people.
Trans atlantic route on notorious 737 MAX. You must be having a death wish to do this.
Here comes the 737MAX haters
Some may argue that the "hate" is well deserved, but perhaps better directed to the company leadership and decision makers.
What if some of the '737MAX haters' have relatives killed in the 2 crashes?
Just like all the Aerosucre geniuses on Three Minutes of Aviation. The legends that had never heard of Aerosucre before watching that channel 🤦🏻♂️
@grammarboy1318
Relevant how?
Integrity is a huge thing in aviation. It takes a single action or incident to lose trust and confidence.
I hate all 737s. It’s been a parts-bin dumpster fire since day one.
Oh let’s use a fuselage off a low cycle mainliner on a high cycle regional jet. Whoops.. the roof fell off.
Let’s have a poor rudder PCU design. Hundreds of people are dead from rudder hardovers.. but profits over people, remember?
Let’s design a flight control system with a single point of failure and no annunciations or cross talk.. and not even tell the pilots it exists!
Insert Boeing door joke “HERE”.
7 hours and 20 to fly the same distance as YVR to HNL??? What a joke.
And AC will try to sell business class on this flight with 8% recline and 34 inch pitch. They really think we are all idiots.
Too bad they are not flying to Holland, since the Max has been reporting Dutch Roll issues
Makes me want to throw up thinking of being on a 737 for 7+ hrs
I beg all airliners to not operate a transatlantic route with a narrow body
Squeezing every red cent out of people huh???
no thank you AC, I would much rather travel with a foreign company on a wide-body aircraft than be a sardine on a 737
Working on this aircraft in this 1 meter large galley is ABSOLUTE hell. Honestly this should be illegal. There is no where to move or stand or sit. No crew rest facilities. Insanity. Total disregard for flight attendants.
How safe is this? Are 737 pushing the limits by flying such long routes? What are their real-world max range?
The max 8 has a range of 3500 Nautical Miles so that's well within its capabilities.
they fly to Hawaii every day and have been for years. Vancouver to Kona is 2500 NM, 99% is over water.
They have ETOPS certification. And the range of the Max is enough for these routes. Even the 737 NG flew transatlantic with Westjet from Halifax and St Johns.
Boeing 737 MAX
with a boeing? hell nah
No offense but that seems entirely too much time in such a small cabin. Poor crew & passengers.
I can't wait for them to start doing long-haul flights with the Dash-8MAX from Anchorage to Johannesburg.
why would anyone want to be on a narrow body for that long
Oh joy, more cramped narrow body flights. I’ll be avoiding them in favour of spacious wide body planes with lie flat seats.
Lie flat is only for business though. Honestly the 737 Max seats on AC are fairly good. Decent legroom, the quality of the leather is good and they have IFE at the very least.
Is Portu in Orstria?
Porto Portugal
@@syahrulmufidho I know. It's a joke based on his recent over pronunciation of a place name in each clip
Hours over water on a MAX? Hell no
MAX crashes less than cars.if you can go in a car and feel safe,you can go in a max and feel safe
any flight on a MAX sounds terrible, 7 hours on one sounds extremely bad
No chance I’d do that
No worse than a Air Canada Rouge 320 Montreal to Vegas 6 hours
❤❤❤ Good 👍
😊
The Max can drop off passengers at the Azores on the way to Porto with the faulty door plugs
We cut meals. Only chips. Bye.
No thanks, I’ll fly an Air France, KLM or British wide body and connect somewhere.
Bring your own wrench.
Haha
The Max? Scary stuff!
Oh really? Why is that? Statistically it's one of the safest airliners ever made.
@@davidkavanagh189 tell it to the families of the 300+ people who died due to the flawed design of that aircraft and Boeing’s coverup!
@@davidkavanagh189 The old 737 is, not the new 737 Max
No mention of the fact that a350 1000 engines all have defective fuel lines??
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Hopefully it won’t lose any Bolts on that 7 Hour Flight!
Pretty sure that was all resolved when they had to recheck all MAXs after the Alaska air incident
@FlyByWire1
Sure.
Just like NASA’s organizational faults were all solved after Challenger. There’s no way they would ever let an unsafe orbiter fly again.
Pretty sure is not totally sure.
@@TruthProvider Well the MAX 8 does not even have that additional door plug so it was never a concern on that model. Only the MAX 9s.
Air Canada (Poor customer service and on time performance) + 737MAX (Questionable reliability and worst customer experience) … sounds like a disaster in the making.
Thats providing it doesn't nose dive or something isn't bolted on and falls off 😅
😂😂😂
No way I would fly 7 hrs on a max, it is a terrible aircraft! I fly 6 hrs to Mexico each winter on a max and I hate it!!
737 MAX, Air Canada wants to be the next Malaysia Airlines flight 370
how would it be like mh370
that plane was very likely intentionally crashed
Loss of employees free scale semiconductors
You don't even know what really happened with that flight. Air Canada and WestJet have been flying 737's, both MAX and NG over the Atlantic for many years now. Both airlines have very good maintenance standards.
7hrs and 20 mins for all the bolts to potentially fly off 😆😆😆
You just said that on your other account !!!
only on the 737-900. Air Canada has only the 737-800.
Boeing 🤔 no thanks!
Gross. Those are sooo uncomfortable
Have you even been on one? Honestly the 737 Max seats on AC are fairly good. Decent legroom, the quality of the leather is good and they have IFE at the very least. Better than older 737's that are so cramped, and better than a number of A320's.
Avoid at all possible and go wide body
That sounds fucking terrible