BMW X5 45e (plug-in electric hybrid) towing test.
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
- Electric is great for towing but in reality there are not many EVs capable of towing over 2000kg and even with lighter loads the real world range can be halved when towing due to the extra weight and drag plus most chargers in the UK would require a trailer to be unhitched so that you can park in a charging bay.
Basically if towing heavy loads, a diesel SauV or pickup truck is still the favoured choice. But what about a plug-in hybrid..??
Electric only when doing the usual school run and commuting to work but with a 3.0 twin turbo petrol engine as in this BMW C5 45e to backup the range when covering longer distances…?
How efficient will it be? How far can it go on electric? Does the blend of electric and petrol work well? Is it better than diesel?
Well I’ve towed with many cars including Land Rover Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 and 4 3.0 SDV6 (my favourite), Toyota Landcruiser, Ford Ranger, Nissan Navara, Mitsubishi L200 and Volkswagen Amarok so let me test this and give you some comparisons!
Is the X5 a jack of all and master of none?
Thanks for watching.
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70mph towing a trailer ???
I have the X5 50e, and it's even better than the X5 45e, more powerful electric motor and slightly bigger battery. Nearly 1 secound quicker 0-60 than the 45e. I'm really enjoying it.
I owned a '21 45e and used a tuner to get even more boost out of the engine.. I clocked my 0-60 time at 4.7 seconds...
Could be wrong, but pretty sure the 45e uses BMWs infamous B58 engine which is a twin-scroll single turbo engine, not a twin-turbo. An absolute peach of an engine nevertheless. One of the best.
Fantastic video and fantastic Hybrid more hybrid’s Richard please 🙏 they are the only way to go… so much more practical in today’s environment and climate. Brilliant X5 45e love them .
Interesting Richard
Looks like a nice motor. Look forward to the review
That 45e has certainly surprised me also,cheers guys👍💪😉
Hi Richard, I have Volvo XC40 recharge twin. Towing capacity 1.8 t but it towes my caravan no problem at all. You are right about the range though, it uses a lot of the battery but it’s still worth having.
@rsev I run a small car dealership and the tow vehicle is a 4.4 SDV8 Range Rover. Air suspension for towing is the main game changer over anything else on a vehicle. MPG towing is 29mpg (that's about 31mpg empty and 28mpg loaded). 2.7T capacity also. What's your view on a 🌮?
It's a shame no EV can be tuned in such a way that they can eek out more mi/kwh and tow greater capacities. For now, internal combustion is still the only viable solution for towing.
The other issue... unless it's somewhere like a Gridserve, the number of trailer EV chargers at motorway services in the country can probably be counted on one hand. So, there is no way of charging up en-route either.
Really good review. I didn't expect it to tow so well in EV mode. I do like a PHEV as long as you can charge them regularly...
The X5 is just a great looking vehicle
Cheers guys but I'm not really a combustion or hybrid fan
But at the moment they have no other option.
If the whole rig is over 3.5 tons, what is required to keep it legal?
Love it
X5 45e / 50e is the only hybrid I would consider atm for exactly the reasons highlighted in the video.
Looking forward to the full review.
I guess longer term the concerns around out of warranty repairs will be even worse in a hybrid in theory with more to go wrong?
But very much going to consider one as a replacement for my model S when the time comes…depending what polestar 3/4 are like
I am pretty sure you need a tacho for towing that as you are a business towing with a TGW of over 3.5t. Worth checking before you get pulled by the plod.
I think, in order for EVs to be capable of towing heavy loads, they need gearboxes and drive through charging hubs. With a "tow gear" the cars would have even more torque at a low speed and you can make them mechanically limited at let's say 70mph instead of 100 or 125mph as most EVs currently do. That allows for higher peak torque at the wheels. Regen would also work better because it can regen with maximum power at a lower speed. It does increase complexity but you can even do it without a clutch, the gear is selected automatically by the car when it notices that a certain load is attached to it, let's say above 750kgs and then before taking off it shifts into that gear and stays there while the weight is attached.
Like this X5 does, it's electric motor is attached to the gearbox which aids in taking off. It's the ideal solution IMO.
You haven't mentioned how much the BMW costs either new or secondhand?
Shouldn’t you be using a vehicle with tacho fitted being your commercially transporting, and even though the trailer is breaked I’m sure you should not exceed 60mph MR Symons.
But interesting all the same, thanks.
You need to get your hands on Chevy Silverado EV. That's a beast.
Yes this is the king of towing with a huge battery.
Maybe the Kia ev9 would be the best towing ev for your needs.
He’s towing one of the smallest EVs available and is only 250kg below the maximum towing weight of the EV9.
Great video when is the video coming
I don't see the point of hybrids, if it's in petrol mode, it's carrying a battery doing nothing, in electric mode, carrying a petrol engine doing nothing, for the price of a hybrid you could get a decent pure electric, plus a cheap petrol for when you need it
Every powertrain has pros and cons. May not fit your use case but I’m sure it will be better than pure EV or ICE in specific scenarios. There is no perfect solution. You have to choose what works best for you.
I think you may need to research PHEV's a bit. It doesn't sound like you understand how they work.
@@opticzar "Plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) use batteries to power an electric motor and another fuel, such as gasoline, to power an internal combustion engine (ICE). PHEV batteries can be charged using a wall outlet or charging equipment, by the ICE, or through regenerative braking. The vehicle typically runs on electric power until the battery is nearly depleted, and then the car automatically switches over to use the ICE."
Now I know they don't all work exactly the same way, but this is how a typical hybrid works, according to a quick Google search, sure some of them charge the battery using the ICE and that makes them a bit more efficient, the point is that, hybrids are two systems jammed together and you get all the complexity and maintenance required for both, and a lot of the time you're carrying extra weight that's doing nothing but wasting energy
Cmon Rich - thought the CyberTruck doing the UK tour, Elon would have lent u one of those for this exercise - not going to the "darkside" are you?🤣🤣Have u placed Ur order already for that??🤔🤔. Have u also seen Mats recent video re electric vehicles loosing more in value than their counterpart ICE cars - Tesla's didn't make the list but let's have your thoughts. Great video as always Rich 👊🏾😎👍🏾
There are many holes in the EV proposition and this is only of them. You might have to rename your business soon😂
Put a like on the video 👌
But hybrids 🤮
You need to find an EV that can tow and show it can be done without having to use a hybrid. Gave a thumbs up, but please leave the hybrids alone. we need solutions and show EV charging facilities that allow a caravan to stay attached.
There's only one vehicle sold in the USA - Chevrolet Silverado EV with 220 kW battery which kills the towing with 200 miles range while towing but requires really serious DC charging 365 kW. It tows 11000 pounds. Nothing else, including Tesla Cybertruck or Ford F150 Lightning makes good range while towing. Rivian is somewhere next to Silverado while towing but much far behind.
Serious towing needs a heavy duty pickup with serious Diesel engine. Most of those in the USA have close to 7 liter displacement Disel V8 engine which is ridiculous for the UK or continental Europe.
Hmmm… hybrids…. Rather not, thanks!
Granted EV options are not yet really available, but I’d say it’s better to stick to a fossil burner until they are available. We don’t want to encourage the back sliding of the legacy car manufacturers.
No No No hybrids
Indeed.
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