@@boisvert45 As if, I even forgot the greatest poet and philosopher of our age, because he's too unhinged to be shaken by a mere japanese philosopher: Luckhaos.
She does way better for something original then something shes re mixing. No offense to the singer but mass destruction is iconic and will take a bit to get used to it.
@@jeremiahevans6346 The songs were made for the singer’s specific voice. They wouldn’t have Lyn sing on a P3 or P4 track even if she sounded amazing in P5. P3R singer sounds like she should be in P4 honestly.
The new one is basically taking the lyrics literal, "oh yeah, da-da-da-da-da. baby baby" but the old one is more like "ooh yeaa dau-dau-dau-dau-dau-dau-dau-dau, babeh babeh"
@@uzuwi9782you can totally say that and have that be valid. IMO, the new version has grown on me after playing yesterday, but to say it’s better isn’t true. It might not be worse, but it’s definitely not better. It’s going down now is definitely the better theme overall tho
Honestly the issue with the new version isn’t even that it’s bad. It’s just up against probably one of the most iconic battle themes in gaming history. It’s insanely hard to top perfection and the fact I can say it’s close enough to the original is a compliment in it of itself. There’s really nothing they could’ve done that would make it better than the original theme in a lot of people’s eyes.
@@michaelbarrett8141 Maybe, but remixes are to be expected with remakes. I could see some people calling Atlus lazy for just reusing the same OG soundtrack and not adding any new tracks. And again the new version isn't bad, it's just different. It's still a good song it just can't hold a candle to nostalgia.
I mean, it's not even a difficult fix, it's literally just a matter of better vocal mixing/layering and pronunciation, and making the trumpets as loud and bombastic as they should be.
Honestly, there would be better ways of working with iconic songs, the remixes just seem very underwhelming, Mass Destruction remix made by Lotus Juice for the Persona 3 films It's the greatest example of how to make a good remix, another great example is Aigis' version in The Answer which is as good as the original.
I personally think the new singer is good, but this version out of the many other versions of mass destruction feels almost forced on the pronounciation during the chorus. I kinda hope at least what they could do realistically, is perhaps rerecord and make tweaks depending if everyone is in agreement.
@@tomo8940 Yeah. I think she has more of an elegant voice compared to the original singer's more energetic voice. A song like Changing Seasons or It's Going Down Now seems to fit better with her singing style compared to Mass Destruction. I think it could also be exposure bias or something
I would say that her voice doesn't fit with the original songs, it's a shame that Yumi had to retire, if Yumi sang the remix of the old songs and Azumi sang the new songs it would be perfect
I dont have an issue with the "Da's" its the second baby, im so used to the "E" sound sounding like an "Eh":Babeh Babeh instead of Baby Baby (I tried to explain it best I could)😅
nah i personally think the new vocalist is the best vocalist in persona but the original just has a 2000’s charm that can’t be beat. hate that ppl don’t like reload’s remade ost bc it literally still sounds good. the only thing that would’ve been nice was if there was a way to switch from the remake to og soundtrack
na bro the verses are so fucked, and I'm not even talking about the vocals, the instruments are so bad what is going on there, they removed everything that made the song such a banger and only kept the big electronic part
The Baby,baby is the the highlight of the song that make it memorable,pity they ruined it. It always bring intense during battle,but the Reload made it to soft.
I generally hope theres an option or costume with og music like a costume which is just the og p3 models (like the ps2 models) with the og mass destruction it would be a pretty unique and fun costume similar to the persona q outfits in p5r
Music option in the menu is fine. Don’t really like music ties to current outfit because don’t want to wear the same outfit over and over just for the music.
don't let this distract you from the fact that we still can't use the P3 movie OST in the games. mass destruction -lotus juice remix- (and the movie OST in general) > literally everything ever.
Ah, now I know why despite liking the new mass destruction, it feels kind of off to me. The original sounds more upbeat and louder. Reload has it's own style, but I'm going to miss the original.
The best part of the original is when Makoto says "It's Mass Destructin' Time!" and Mass Destructs all the shadows! Shame they didn't include it in the Reload...
I largely think the issue is more on the lacking instrumentals than the vocals. It sounds like a version a really good cover artist had to use otherwise it would be copyright stricken
This hit me in my fucking heart. From the very second I listened to P3R music I thought "it just doesn't hit the same" and THANK GOD so many people agree!!
Reload Mass Destruction reminds me of how I felt with the Ultimate Remix of Xenoblade 2s Counterattack. Its a banger but its missing something the OG had.
they took out the thing that made persona music, persona music which is more engrish. its down-down-down-down rather than dadadada, so her putting more emphasis into her da's just makes it sound different as well as the baby. that and whenever she does say baby it sort of goes downward in tune while she seems to struggle keeping into one line when she goes up with the dadadada. Not to mention the "nerfed" the beat drop which was always the most replayed part, the harmony between the vocals, the piano and trumpets made it so beautiful and unique.
PREACH! As a fan who played 3 and 4 very much to the point of 100 completion on Playstation 2 I wouldn't want to fix what isn't broken. I'm enjoying Reload but when I heard Takahashi Azumi-san's vocals in Mass Destruction I thought both "why?" and "Where's Kawamura Yumi?!"
mass destruction reload isnt bad but i hate how she’s litteraly singing the lyrics like ”da-da-da-dada, dada-da-dada, baby baby" instead of "daw-daw-daw-dada, dada-daw-dadaw, BAYBEH BAYBEH"
I like the new singer more overall but she doesn't sing Mass Destruction as well as the original did. All the other remixes sound better in my opinion (plus the new battle theme being amazing of course).
@@Nerevarine420 Haven't heard much from Moon reaches out stars, it's been difficult to find it, but I've heard a few seconds and liked it so I probably just didn't hear the voice crack part. It'll probably sound fine though. Haven't heard Iwatodai dorm's remix at all, though it can only be better than the original, right? The original sucked in my opinion
It’s way more obvious when someone is off when it’s the vocals compared to music as people like to sing along to the songs they like, even if it’s in their heads and switching the way the chorus is sung makes it super unsatisfying to hear to players who know the original and are used to hearing ‘babeh babeh’ rather than hearing the sharp e sound at the end of baby in reload. The same goes for the verse where ‘right here shadow ten o’clock direction’ Goes from being ‘die-reck-tion’ to ‘d’rection’. It plays with our brains but not in a way that a musical deceptive cadence would, it just makes us feel unsatisfied
now we just need the comparison of P3 and P3 reloads master of shadow's "doo doo doo dooo wa-" cuz it sounds surprisingly a bit drastically different between both in terms of tone- I'm surprised people haven't talked about that one more-
she has a pretty voice, its just a little too enunciated and the instrumentals feel low energy in comparison. honestly the only reason im hesitant about reload is because i fear its polishing of the ogs is ripping from its 2000s flare, and im not only talking about the music. idk thats just my take >_>
There's probably gonna have an option in the Reload game to switch the music to the original, so I think it's fine that the remix doesn't really hit as well as the original.
If we don't get the OG song as an option, I think that the better option would be to find an instrumental version of the Reload ver. and put Yumi's voice on top of it.
I hope they let you choose between Originial Soundtrack and new soundtracks. Star ocean 2 r did and it is awesome to get the charm of the OG sounds with a better graphics.
I still prefer the old OST, but gotta say. She did got some bangers songs. Going Down, Tranquility, Master of Shadows amount other. She did pretty good
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To quote the greatest philosopher of our time Kanji Tatsumi "it's just kind of... Boneless"
Setting the vocals aside, the trumpet sounds way to “kept in line” for a song titled mass destruction
You mean the FOURTH greatest philosopher of our history, right? Because there's MC Maha, MC Gorila and Sseth'Tseentach ahead of him.
@@ilucasz in the words of the great Tatsumi those guys can "Get Bent!"
@@boisvert45 As if, I even forgot the greatest poet and philosopher of our age, because he's too unhinged to be shaken by a mere japanese philosopher: Luckhaos.
@@ilucasz "I'm ready to be birthed, Dammit"
I dont think Mass Destruction suits her singing style, yet with Its Going Down Now, she absolutely _slays_
She does way better for something original then something shes re mixing. No offense to the singer but mass destruction is iconic and will take a bit to get used to it.
@@jeremiahevans6346 The songs were made for the singer’s specific voice. They wouldn’t have Lyn sing on a P3 or P4 track even if she sounded amazing in P5. P3R singer sounds like she should be in P4 honestly.
Going Down Now almost makes me wish that the soundtrack was entirely new, it's that good
@@moomer2675 you know what I can totally see it
@@elae4051 I agree it's a bop also I wish we got a enemy advantage battle theme in a persona game in the future
The new one is basically taking the lyrics literal, "oh yeah, da-da-da-da-da. baby baby" but the old one is more like "ooh yeaa dau-dau-dau-dau-dau-dau-dau-dau, babeh babeh"
loved smacking the shadow and then BAYBEH BAYBEH BAYBEH BAYBEH
so basically the accent makes it better
@@jijithirdeyeold one has more swing if you know what I mean
@SociallyVirgin maybe in other aspects, but mass destruction is a massive downgrade
I always thought it was Valalan tan tan Dananan dan dan babeh babeh
Babey babeh > baby baby
that IS WHAT IM SAYING
New one is better
@@uzuwi9782 I found the contrarian
@@Sirenn_J Womp womp take off the nostalgia glasses
@@uzuwi9782you can totally say that and have that be valid. IMO, the new version has grown on me after playing yesterday, but to say it’s better isn’t true. It might not be worse, but it’s definitely not better. It’s going down now is definitely the better theme overall tho
The "key of A-minor myself" part should have been the FES version
The best versions of the meme are when "Key of A minor" is a different remix
Honestly the issue with the new version isn’t even that it’s bad. It’s just up against probably one of the most iconic battle themes in gaming history.
It’s insanely hard to top perfection and the fact I can say it’s close enough to the original is a compliment in it of itself. There’s really nothing they could’ve done that would make it better than the original theme in a lot of people’s eyes.
When its so hard to top maybe People shouldnt try then. The Original is just so good that you can use it even now.
@@michaelbarrett8141 Maybe, but remixes are to be expected with remakes. I could see some people calling Atlus lazy for just reusing the same OG soundtrack and not adding any new tracks.
And again the new version isn't bad, it's just different. It's still a good song it just can't hold a candle to nostalgia.
If it ain't broken. Don't fix it
I mean, it's not even a difficult fix, it's literally just a matter of better vocal mixing/layering and pronunciation, and making the trumpets as loud and bombastic as they should be.
Honestly, there would be better ways of working with iconic songs, the remixes just seem very underwhelming, Mass Destruction remix made by Lotus Juice for the Persona 3 films It's the greatest example of how to make a good remix, another great example is Aigis' version in The Answer which is as good as the original.
"Baby baby"?!
It's BAYBE BAYBEHHH!!!! 😡
this is EXACTLY how i felt listening to the newer version of mass destruction lolll
Holy shit this is probably the most perfect use of this meme of seen so far
I personally think the new singer is good, but this version out of the many other versions of mass destruction feels almost forced on the pronounciation during the chorus. I kinda hope at least what they could do realistically, is perhaps rerecord and make tweaks depending if everyone is in agreement.
It's a new singer???
@@tomo8940 Yeah. I think she has more of an elegant voice compared to the original singer's more energetic voice. A song like Changing Seasons or It's Going Down Now seems to fit better with her singing style compared to Mass Destruction. I think it could also be exposure bias or something
I think her voice doesn't fit olds musics but on New musics she sound so good. It's going down is already in the top10 of persona battle theme
I would say that her voice doesn't fit with the original songs, it's a shame that Yumi had to retire, if Yumi sang the remix of the old songs and Azumi sang the new songs it would be perfect
No bro it’s better than the original, stop yapping
She clearly was doing her best but wasn’t stronger enough in Mass Destruction. Still, she did amazingly in It’s Going Down Now.
I dont have an issue with the "Da's" its the second baby, im so used to the "E" sound sounding like an "Eh":Babeh Babeh instead of Baby Baby (I tried to explain it best I could)😅
Babeh babeh > Babee Babee
Babeh Babeh Kinda sound a bit more powerfull than baby baby
The vocalist in the og version just sounds a lot more into it than the reload ver.
nah i personally think the new vocalist is the best vocalist in persona but the original just has a 2000’s charm that can’t be beat. hate that ppl don’t like reload’s remade ost bc it literally still sounds good. the only thing that would’ve been nice was if there was a way to switch from the remake to og soundtrack
@@meiyeumiThere is. Its called PC and mods. I've done it myself. Its incredible!
Hearing this new remix made me appreciate the original Mass Destruction more.
Friendship ended with mass destruction, It's Going down is my new best friend.
My new friend going down
My best friend persona 3 fes op.
As much as the singer “messed up” during the chorus lotus juice goes so hard with the reload version as well
na bro the verses are so fucked, and I'm not even talking about the vocals, the instruments are so bad what is going on there, they removed everything that made the song such a banger and only kept the big electronic part
It the LJ what did you expect?
I definitely think I’ll get used to the new mass destruction over time but the original definitely is more hype.
I think it just makes it more unique. I like both versions equally imo.
i agree
I feel the same way
Yeah, it's the same just slightly different
Sorry are you stupid? Old good,new bad that's how it works around here.
I have a delivery for a mister/missus @Bread-mf8bu. Your Copium is here, fresh from the press.
The Baby,baby is the the highlight of the song that make it memorable,pity they ruined it. It always bring intense during battle,but the Reload made it to soft.
Changing the originals (bay•be, bay•beh) to the new versions (bA•bE, bA•bE) was certainly a choice
@@mewacyboi I think the Original is more of a (bay•be, bay•eh)
Original: bay be bay beh!
New : baby babyy~
New version sounds bit off putting, they couldve tried to make it the same pronunciation
oh calm down they didnt ruin it
@@KingBatch07 For you that is. This version is boring.
I really hope there’ll be an option to switch between the original and new version, same with all music.
Yeah because I’m really not a fan of a lot of the new versions
There isn't, you're stuck with the new ones
@@hiarus8850mods theres always mods “I’ll do it myself” way
@@zephyrias there's always mods...for PC players :v
Sadly us console slaves are stuck with it
@@hiarus8850I'm sorry but you're wrong, if you got a modded console you can put mods
Mass depression...
In that case, fits more the game
Mass Depletion
You dropped this 👑
Yeah that's what reload went for unfortunately
Less Construction
Hearing the “baybe, baby” instead of “baybe, baybe” for the first time literally startled me
Thankful to see someone else prefers the original recording to Reload.
Mass Destruction Reload: made professionally.
OG Mass Destruction: Made with PASSION.
Mass destruction
P3R
Its started to grow on me a little bit but i cant say i don't still prefer the original
Lotus Juice still goes hard, tho
“Key of A-minor” should’ve been the movie version
The og sounds way too good jesus.
I generally hope theres an option or costume with og music like a costume which is just the og p3 models (like the ps2 models) with the og mass destruction it would be a pretty unique and fun costume similar to the persona q outfits in p5r
If I can hear wait and see in this I’ll die a happy man
Would be cool if the new sees uniforms has the new music while the og ones have the original music
I can already see persona q2 costume set with "wait and see" as a battle theme coming.
@@CASSHERE would make more sense for it to be a pq 1 track since p5r already represents pq2 with its costumes
Music option in the menu is fine. Don’t really like music ties to current outfit because don’t want to wear the same outfit over and over just for the music.
They nerfed Mass Destruction so It’s Going Down Now could run
don't let this distract you from the fact that we still can't use the P3 movie OST in the games.
mass destruction -lotus juice remix- (and the movie OST in general) > literally everything ever.
Thankfully since Reload will get a PC port, modders will be there to the rescue.
Hopefully at least.
The OSTs of the films are simply perfect...
Mods
I just want Fate Is In Our Hands in the game bro. That’s my favorite Persona 3 track of all but it’s just in the movie sadly
I'm just gonna take all them songs and add it to SRB2P so I can practice crunching Tartarus and jamming out.
I really hope Reload gives us the option to use the old tracks from the orignal game.
this perfectly sums it up
Ah, now I know why despite liking the new mass destruction, it feels kind of off to me. The original sounds more upbeat and louder.
Reload has it's own style, but I'm going to miss the original.
Yeah it’s just off
i like the OG version of Mass destruction the most
You're playing it like baby baby. When ordinarily it goes babeh babeh!
The best part of the original is when Makoto says "It's Mass Destructin' Time!" and Mass Destructs all the shadows! Shame they didn't include it in the Reload...
I largely think the issue is more on the lacking instrumentals than the vocals. It sounds like a version a really good cover artist had to use otherwise it would be copyright stricken
Damn, i didn't know they had to add a whole new verse too to avoid a copyright, what a dedication!
Need that baybeh baybeh
So glad I'm not the only one lol, love her voice for the rest of the OST but for real the original Mass Destruction just hits a little harder
You know what would go hard. if Yumi joined in on the baby baby notes on the newer version
This hit me in my fucking heart. From the very second I listened to P3R music I thought "it just doesn't hit the same" and THANK GOD so many people agree!!
See at first i was all for this but after a few months with this its grown on me a lot more, still miss the "beh" sound tho
Reload Mass Destruction reminds me of how I felt with the Ultimate Remix of Xenoblade 2s Counterattack. Its a banger but its missing something the OG had.
Yeah, old version had more "hype" or "energy" with the baby baby part. Old version just fits because it gives the same energy as the track itself.
Mass destruction vs moderates amounts of destruction
they took out the thing that made persona music, persona music which is more engrish. its down-down-down-down rather than dadadada, so her putting more emphasis into her da's just makes it sound different as well as the baby. that and whenever she does say baby it sort of goes downward in tune while she seems to struggle keeping into one line when she goes up with the dadadada. Not to mention the "nerfed" the beat drop which was always the most replayed part, the harmony between the vocals, the piano and trumpets made it so beautiful and unique.
On a sidenote, they nailed the character arts, the iconic posing is still there with an added reload touch
Chances are, that with most remakes these days, we'll have the option to adjust what themes we want to play from Reloaded and the Original.
About that...
Alright Atlus you got me, I'll pay $6.99 for the costumes with the classic themes.
New song : she said Baby baby
and old song : she said baiba baiba
PREACH! As a fan who played 3 and 4 very much to the point of 100 completion on Playstation 2 I wouldn't want to fix what isn't broken. I'm enjoying Reload but when I heard Takahashi Azumi-san's vocals in Mass Destruction I thought both "why?" and "Where's Kawamura Yumi?!"
The Og Mass destruction is just nostalgic with that vocal XD
Normally this stuff doesn’t matter to me as much, but you can HEAR the difference
I'm gonna mod my Persona 3 Reload for the OG Mass Destruction
My buddy swore I was going insane when I insisted and I quote "It's not Baby Baby, it's Baybay Baybay"
The new mass destruction goes soft
Lotus Juice goes HARD tho
Agreed
Lotus J never misses 🔥
Its going down now, the only reason i try to ambush enemies
I personally like mine in the scale of reincarnation myself
mass destruction reload isnt bad but i hate how she’s litteraly singing the lyrics like ”da-da-da-dada, dada-da-dada, baby baby" instead of "daw-daw-daw-dada, dada-daw-dadaw, BAYBEH BAYBEH"
Maybe they’ll include an option like they had in P2IS remake. Wherein you could switch the music back to the original version
Ough, year. Dadadadodoudu. Baby, baby.
Mass construction
Now that the game came out and I've been listening to it it sounds better, and LJs new second verse sells it too
I for one will definitely mod it
Both great btw
I like the new singer more overall but she doesn't sing Mass Destruction as well as the original did. All the other remixes sound better in my opinion (plus the new battle theme being amazing of course).
Reachs out to the stars and iwatodai dorm sound noticeably worse too.
Don't tell me you didn't notice the voice crack in reach out to the stars.
@@Nerevarine420 Haven't heard much from Moon reaches out stars, it's been difficult to find it, but I've heard a few seconds and liked it so I probably just didn't hear the voice crack part. It'll probably sound fine though.
Haven't heard Iwatodai dorm's remix at all, though it can only be better than the original, right? The original sucked in my opinion
@@Nerevarine420 Reaches out to the Stars is one of the best reload songs, blows the original out of the water.
It’s way more obvious when someone is off when it’s the vocals compared to music as people like to sing along to the songs they like, even if it’s in their heads and switching the way the chorus is sung makes it super unsatisfying to hear to players who know the original and are used to hearing ‘babeh babeh’ rather than hearing the sharp e sound at the end of baby in reload.
The same goes for the verse where ‘right here shadow ten o’clock direction’
Goes from being ‘die-reck-tion’ to ‘d’rection’. It plays with our brains but not in a way that a musical deceptive cadence would, it just makes us feel unsatisfied
now we just need the comparison of P3 and P3 reloads master of shadow's "doo doo doo dooo wa-"
cuz it sounds surprisingly a bit drastically different between both in terms of tone-
I'm surprised people haven't talked about that one more-
Wasted opportunity to have the "A-minor" song be the 20th Anniversary version. The one where P3-kun has no depression
Most folks complaining didn’t even play P3 lmfao I’m on team OG Mass Destruction for the record
I think it's on purpose so that people get S.E.E.S advantages for It's Going Down Now.
It sounds like an off-brand ringtone version of the real thing
I really hope they have the option to use the OG sound track in the game. I don't have high hopes now going forward for the rest of the tracks.
Big brain idea: a mashup
Nothing beats the classics - Door-kun
It makes up with It's Going Down Now being the best banger ever, but the lack of chorus hurts Mass Destruction a lot in the remake.
I'm not gonna say the new version is VOID of emotion but the OG definitely has more feel to it.
The OOH YEAH just has more impact in the original
And what if I say prefer the reload version more?
you would be right to think that
me too, these people don't know what to complain about anymore lol
I think they’re both great.
i wish they just let you choose between new and old mass destruction and wiping all out in the settings for battle music :c
she has a pretty voice, its just a little too enunciated and the instrumentals feel low energy in comparison. honestly the only reason im hesitant about reload is because i fear its polishing of the ogs is ripping from its 2000s flare, and im not only talking about the music. idk thats just my take >_>
Bay-beh bay-beh. Not Baby baby...
It's still good... It's just it's hard to surpass Yumi Kawamura's superb performance.
they're both equally as good what
holy fuck this is perfect LMAO. like i dont mind how they rearranged the mix, but goddamn why cant she just hit the notes?
Persona music is a god send I am still mixed on the remix but we shall see soon comrades soon
Meanwhile the Mashups getting the vibe just right
There's probably gonna have an option in the Reload game to switch the music to the original, so I think it's fine that the remix doesn't really hit as well as the original.
If we don't get the OG song as an option, I think that the better option would be to find an instrumental version of the Reload ver. and put Yumi's voice on top of it.
I hope they let you choose between Originial Soundtrack and new soundtracks. Star ocean 2 r did and it is awesome to get the charm of the OG sounds with a better graphics.
I swear I'll learn how to mod games so I can mod mass destruction over ass destruction
Oh wait shit didn't mean it like that 💀
ass destruction LAMO xD
Man, I wish
I'm worried about "Memories of You".
I do not want to see 3/5 then have the moment ruined with a downgraded Kimi no Kioku.
She's going to ruin one of the most beautiful song in the persona series
No plz dont reload Kimi no Kioku
Wish there is a bgm change in the middle of the battle like the mp3 minato carries has some use.
THANK YOU I’VE BEEN THINKING THIS OVER THE LAST TWO DAYS
Then you hear rhe intro yell and they completely massacred the original
I think her vocal fits great. Mixing is the problem. She should be OVER HERE doing OH YEAH. Not somewhere there doing oh yeah .
I feel the same about Burn my Dread. She's good but doesn't quite hit certain parts like the original
I still prefer the old OST, but gotta say. She did got some bangers songs. Going Down, Tranquility, Master of Shadows amount other. She did pretty good