[OP08] RP Law is TIER 0??? Possible BAN LIST Discussion! [One Piece TCG]
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Law forever being a problematic leader sigh
A few options to put law in check without banning the leader is :
1.choice restrict black maria and reiju with Leader law so they can't be played together in the same deck Thus nerfing the consistency and don ramping.
2. Limit maria and Kidd blocker to 1 to hit don ramping consistency
3. Choice restrict Gordon and max
I like and agree with option 1 and 2!
@@ytnoachthanks everyone keeps calling me crazy for suggesting this stuff and doesn't realize touching maria isn't enough
@@tyresewallace9146limiting kidd to 1? Makes no sense kiddo isnt the issue hes easily removable
@@therealrabbithole9088 the point of that is weakening the deck don ramping negation because of pudding in o8 you're essentially have 8 kidds in the deck so I have multiple consistency ways now to don ramp that either makes your ability free or 1 cost on top of that pudding is can be dropped on curb a turn early before kidd thus giving u the benefit faster and if u don't draw kid cool u already have a mini kidd on board to refund u don back after using the ability with extra to spare for cost reduction.
@@tyresewallace9146the mini kidd aka pudding is a free removal for any law mirror for sny gecko lucci perona decks. So no. And kidd was never an issue . The main problem is maria and to a certain extent leader ability.
Ban maria or change the ability to -4 don
There should be more leader locking
It would make decks feel more unique and prevent the strongest decks from hoarding all the good new cards.
I don't know what Bandai think when they made Black Maria, the card straight up busted
Issue is law uses all generic purple and red cards. It just makes design very difficult
Maria shouldn’t be able to be played in rp law!
Bandai should of leader locked it to animal pirates
Cant just leader lock every card because law exists
OP R&D Dept. has some internal issue of probably FORGOT TO PLAYTEST MARIA.
I’m not sure why they’re balancing cards so weirdly. Cards that should be leader/type locked aren’t (Moria, Maria, Rebecca, etc.). And cards that shouldn’t be are (newer green cards-their effects aren’t strong enough to warrant it).
Honestly, Reiju is not the issue. Neither is Gordon/Max or Kid Killer.
The main issue is a way over tuned card like Black Maria being generic!
There shouldn't be an issue with generic decent/nice Red/Purple cards being a indirect support. There is an issue with overtuning a card that clearly should have been leader restricted.
In my honest opinion it doesn't hurt the future of new cards as much. Decent/nice cards can be generic, super overtuned stuff like Black Maria, Rebecca & Moria should always be leader restricted.
Literally, take away Black Maria & RP Law isn't tier 0 anymore.
Alright yes then you have the new Pudding, but she isn't nearly as impactful as BM at all.
I honestly don't like leader bans at all, hell even Sakazuki wouldn't be nearly as stupid with Rebecca & Moria
If they want to revive old decks with busted support, just don't make it generic. Make it so it is actual new support for that specific leader/type.
Tashigi in that sense is a perfect example
i dont understand why bandai keep putting restriction and limits to green cards like 'if your leader is ___', and don't use it at all in black and purple. Black Maria should be limited to Beast pirates, not to "only one black maria", same for gecko with Thriller, or rebecca with Dressrossa. They could move forward just doing an errata for their type cards, also, that could make some future leader really interesting, like law being dofi family (former) and heart pirates, dragon being former navy and revolutionary. Then, the next step could be limit cards to 1-2... the direct ban is just a patch to a bad game design desition.
No leader restrictions for those cards but 10c wb is too strong for blue decks! Let’s limit it to only wb pirates leader 😡
@@ytnoach as a blue enjoyer, why cant we have a good, nice and broken card :(? the designer(s) working on blue is/are so concient about nami, we deserve some yolo cards
Black Maria should have had both because being able to stick 2 black Maria and jump 10 don Co Stanly is probably way too much
I think errata'ing the leader's ability would be pretty okay as well.
personally i'd make it so law's removal ability is cooked. like as sets go on he can get better cards to cheat out and even use black maria but killing his ability to control tempo via removal and making him pure aggro/ramp could work (mainly because i feel the removal part of his kit doesn't suit the colour identify even if flavour-wise it's perfect)
setting it so law can only remove something that has an original power of less than 3000 seems totally fair imo.
R/P Law is perfectly fine as a card. Gordon and Raise Max make it way too easy to shufle back big boys and clear boards. Hit those and it's fine, just drop 6ks and swing into face till you win. Typically games R/P law doesn't draw a -3k are losses anyway.
Hello
For me the best restriction to law is
1 choose restric Max or gordon
2 Reiju to 2
3 Black maria cant put in the same deck if you leader ia RP Law
Is this a discussion or 'prediction'? 👀
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I think id you hit rp law and black, you would have to hit yellow as well. Notice that it has always being these three colors running the format since the beginning.
So question what decks answer law that are gate kept by black? And as for how to errata law I think you can keep his skill the same but make it so that he can only play 4 cost heart pirates off of skill instead of 4 cost character so it restricts the pay off in the deck and makes it a less of tool boxy deck. As for answering gecko Moria I don’t think it needs to go I think the problem card is spandine. Being able to KO and blocker up is to broken it should have to choose between one or the other. Limiting stage doesn’t really do much because it just gets replaces with either ice age or sheep soap or something like that which is arguably just as annoying as the stage.
I think you’re right with Saka shouldn’t have been banned, just cards in the deck (at least restricted) only leaders I think should be banned are Law and Enel who’s leader effects are too OP imo and make it so that all red, purple and yellow support works for them. Lucci is management without Enies lobbies and for gecko if we are banning/restricting cards from specific leader I’d restrict him to 1-2 per other black decks and 4 of for Moria leader. Great vid though!
I think the biggest problem with law is that his leader effect is so generically good that banning specific cards from the deck doesn't actually solve the problem. Bandai will have to continue to consider law leader when designing generically good 4 or less purple and red cards and I don't think that is really good game design.
Lets say they ban black maria. What happens when they print another card that just slots right into law? Are we going to ban that card too?
I think the best fix is to either Errata or ban the leader. I do not like restricting cards to 1 because it still allows the decks to be broken but now it just comes down to "Did you hit the 1 of copy of a card in your deck"
Also I would love to see law reprinted like sakazuki with the effect: Don -3 play a 4 or less and just completely remove the bottom deck effect.
SBLMDLNRMDT 🤔
Shanks
Buggy
Lilith?
Monkey D. Luffy
Nico Robin?
Marshall D. Teach
Op09 Leaders?
Bandai Just needs to make leader law effect to be forced to target a character card and bottom deck in order for them to play from hand. If nothing is on field then they cant use effect because right now its insane that its free real estate. They don't need targets they just summon for free. This will make games feel different were both players have same pace. Not to fast not to slow. For the last resort just fix all colors in one go.
I believe in choice restriction of Black Maria cannot be played in RP Law. It gives other decks that wanna play Black Maria
If rplaw gets changed, as you said black will also need tuning, but you forget that blacks is the one gatekeeping yellow from being broken, so yellow will then also need tuning
Not true. Plenty of decks have no issues with yellow and yellow isn’t as broken as RP law/ black decks
OPCG need some adjustment for the ban/restriction list.
1. Ban list once a year rotation is not gonna balance the meta well with the current card pool being at OP08. (with dragonball emergency ban list incoming Jun 20th and digimon 3-4 times restriction list per year)
2. What's the point of calling Ban/Restriction list if you never restrict card to 1? just call OP BAN LIST every year becoz we nv restrict card. LMAO
3. OP R&D Dept. need to buckle up/step up - where is ur professional play-tester for every pc of card u design. (sorry we forget to playtest maria or we nv playtest maria) LMAO.
4. OP need to intro Limit to 1 restriction list - hence Moby Dick / Great Eruption / Reject / Cabaji least min. playable at 1 (if any by chance).
**BAN LIST if by any emergency chance;
Gordon / Raise Max to 0
Enies Lobby Stage to 0
*(we will only ban the card, becoz we nv restrict any card thus this is your OP BAN LIST 2024).
Excellent video I agree with all of your points. As obnoxious R/P law, they better restrict Gecko down to 1-2 copies.
I think nerf law is either making law the bottom deck power 0 or making the bottom deck required to summon like 8 cost aramaki
Banning the leader makes the most sense. The individual cards they could ban from his deck aren’t doing anything crazy in other decks. Also banning or restricting moria would be great cuz that card is way too overrate.
RP law isn’t Toer 0 byANYeans. In Japan it’s been losing to lucci And tier 0 means 0 chance to lose to anything but itself.
I dont think Lucci is gonna be the BDIF if ever Law gets banned. Coz BY Luffy exists in the format. Hitting Gecko is probably gonna cripple every single black deck except ST14 and that makes the color nearly unplayable. However if BY should reign that means Bonney, Carrot, Perona, Boa should see more playtime, even King, Kaido, Marco, Pudding, and Reiju as well.
If they restrict Gecko ban 4c Pudding as well thank you 🙏🏻
Make the player choose between deploying a character or removing a body… that’s one of the things that makes him so strong: filling your board while clearing the opponents in a very efficient way + restriction of Gordon/raise max to hit consistency
That’s right! 2 really strong effects for only 1 cost is too strong
@@ytnoach how is that right when it is essential to be able to play a ramp card the same turn you removed a body by paying a whopping -3 don for that? 😭 And how is that right to pay -3 don just to play an extra 4c body without being able to answer anything on the opponent's side? 😭Like please think a little how will that work? The deck doesn't even have a stage to help with ramping like animal kingdom does!
Unless it will be like with Nami: extra win condition - RP Law wins when there is no don left on his field 🤣
If they nerf it i'm betting it will only play out a 4c or less heart pirate
Assuming Lim from Odyssey is the L after S and B, that seems so underwhelming
"at table 69 losing to black decks" XD
Story of my life bro
Ban maria as that card is way to powerful and greedy. Why did bandai make a card like this? Pudding restrict to leader.
Or change the rp law leader ability to -4 don. Instead of banning
I was 100% with you until you said yellow was fine, just playing 07 yellow on the sim is giving me cancer
Yea too much life gain with Yamato and Ace and Big Mom. All those cards need to be restricted to 1.
@@AnimeALX Restrictin Yamato, Ace and big mom to 1 is the most stupid suggestion ever. Respectfully. That would completely ruin yellow because if they dont get big bodies later on, they can't really do anything
@@ytnoach This is false because Enel still gets several good 7k rushers and trigger cards and 7c mom. Linlin's effect is too strong and Pudding ramping into multiple big mom's defeats the purpose and strategy of the game and enel has so much healing that he can outlast Lucci's removal when Lucci is supposed to counter him. He is crazy OP07 and OP08
Bandai never banned RG Law despite admitting he's restricting green cards design for them, because the character is popular bandai don't like to touch him. I think same will be the case with RP Law, he won't be banned because a lot people love playing the lead and love the character (a bit irrelevant but I also noticed he lures more girls into playing optcg haha).
I think not letting Law play Black Maria should be enough for now, then we should wait and see what OP-09 brings to the table. If you look at Lucci for example he also became a power house in OP08 by absorbing the cards that technically weren't designed for him: Who is Who, Jack, the animal kingdom stuff meant for King. He is just slightly behind Law in terms of power, but definitely the next boogeyman deck if there is no RP Law. And Enel like a glutton dragon keeps hoarding all powerful yellow cards no matter what type they are. So it is not only the Law leader who commits those "crimes" haha. Bandai simply should play test better the cards with powerful effects. 8c Moria was a mistake and I'm ready to die on that hill, as long as the card exists black will never leave tier 1 and will be the color for everybody else to beat.
4:22 Nobody? I think speaking for everybody isn't nice 🙂
Let me edit that! Nobody in Asia asked for Saka ban*
@@ytnoach I think speaking for everybody in Asia isn't nice either 😛
Is it time to sell my Moria AA ?
They should adapt the living legend system from Flesh and Blood.
u just said everything whats in my mind. Great mind thinks a like
"Because they're at table 69 losing to black decks" 🤣
i dont think a good leader should be punished for bandais stupid card publishing
How abt unbanning everything? Let’s just wreck havoc
I like that idea. If everything is broken, nothing is 🤣
Black Maria and Pudding broke Law. 8c Moria broke black. Ban Black Moria and ban either Law leader or cards in Law.
Im conflicted I like that RP law became stronger but don’t like that he became so strong that ban conversations are being made. I’ve seen alot of people mentioning banning or restricting to many in the deck which In my opinion would just kill the deck and or set him back to the OP 05 RP Law which sucks. I think Id be ok if they hit Black Maria, as much as I like the card it is over tuned like Moria. I hope they don’t just nerf law into the ground alot of us love playing the deck even before it got this good. If they do make restrictions or bans they better deal with black too because that’ll be the next complaint.
I know how you feel! Personally I don’t like making ban videos or I’ve never made 1 but this is just different 🥲
Pretty sure they wouldn’t do anything to Maria cus she’s still new too
@@ytnoach I hear ya, Im really curious what would’ve happened if these big tournaments were present back in 07. Law was putting up good numbers then too
Mere -3 cost? Going first that’s two turns before you can make a decent play. You don’t get that DON refreshed and if you don’t draw queen or kid your DON management becomes crucial. The reason law is able to make ridiculous plays is because of the consistency of having Gordon and max at four. I swear if someone makes an argument about other leaders using Gordon and Max therefore not making them the problem.. I will punch a grandma 👵
Ban Law
Restrictin Ennies Lobby to 1 is the most stupid suggestion ever. Respectfully. That would completely ruin OP07 Lucci because if he doesn't get Ennies Lobby early on, he can't really remove anything since he has to wait until his trash gets to 10 before using Tempest Kick. Limiting Moria to 1-2 most definitely but leave Ennies alone.
It took 3 sets for RP Law to actually get competitive (5, 6, & EB1). It’s not even at full power in the West and ppl are already calling for a ban. A Blue/Green Sanji format needs to be made for those people
So true haha.
Complaining about rp law in eb01 format??😦
Dudes know r/p law deck only by playing against it but not by playing it :D. Most of the advisors have a minimal to no experience from other perspective kek
Kek
Your gordon/max argument is irrelevant when ice age is a card
Also if black decks are gatekeeping the decks that beat rp law, the banning of rp law will just shift those black decks to being the new "teir 0" at which point we start this conversation all over again.
The perfect to law is literally as si.ple as get rid of black maria. Make law players go back to analyzing don management in order to play well.
But do you have 8 ice age?
You don’t address law without addressing black. Also I don’t see 8 ice age too