Whirlpool Top Load Washer Suspension Kit

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  • Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
  • This video provides step-by-step repair instructions for replacing the suspension rods on a Whirlpool washer. The most common reason for replacing the suspension rods is if the washer is shaking or vibrating during operation.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 149

  • @tomfung2753
    @tomfung2753 8 місяців тому +4

    This is the best video with the most professional advices. No unnecessary nonsense and nothing left out.

    • @repairclinic
      @repairclinic  8 місяців тому +2

      You're welcome!
      We are always happy to help. If you would like to give us a review on Google, we would much appreciate it: g.page/r/CcVUrahZNozMEBM/review
      We hope that you have a great day!

    • @ulisses007
      @ulisses007 2 місяці тому

      Hell yeah well give you a review man

  • @randallmonty6420
    @randallmonty6420 2 роки тому +5

    Clear and direct instructions. Just keep in mind that for some steps, the video makes it look a lot easier than it really is. For instance, at about 1:20 in the video, the top is just lifted up, but on my washer-which looks almost exactly like the one in the video-the top can get stuck and needs to be wriggled loose. Similarly, threading the back rods when the washer is lying down is a little tricker than it looks, and it will likely take you a few tries.

  • @michaelsullivan6525
    @michaelsullivan6525 5 років тому +3

    Washer is now working beautifully. We were able to watch the video once and then perform the repair as described. Perfectly prepared and presented. Thank you.

  • @roncrawley5311
    @roncrawley5311 4 роки тому +15

    Thanks for the SHORT video that does the trick! You told me everything I needed to know in 6 minutes. I hate when people drag out a video on bs that doesn't help me a bit. I know the new washers are a pos but with simple videos like yours I'll keep it going until I can do better. Thanks again, good job!

    • @Bass.Player
      @Bass.Player 2 роки тому

      I agree with this statement.

  • @ahaolelo
    @ahaolelo 5 років тому +5

    Video was helpful, although I need to add my observations on when I changed mine. Water came out immediately after I disconnected the water exiting hose at the base. Remember to put a towel there. Secondly, get a friend or a screwdriver nearby when you need to re-attach the new spring rods and you need to put the retaining balls that go around the rods. The washer tub will have excess water in it. It wasn’t a big deal taking off the old springs and retaining balls but it sure is when you need to feed the new ones in and have to hold the weight of the tub and push/hold the rod through the retaining cup.
    What I needed to do since no one helped me was push the new rod through the retaining cup and then slide the screwdriver through the hook and lay it horizontally on the lip of the cup. This keeps the rod from sliding back down. Then grab one retaining ball with one hand, then lift the hook. While keeping the screwdriver horizontal. Then you should be able to slip the retaining ball onto the rod. It’s not easy, but using the screwdriver helped.

  • @SolrSurfr3
    @SolrSurfr3 4 роки тому +1

    This channel is a lifesaver - I had no idea what was wrong with my washer, turns out one of the suspensions rods came off of the ball brace. Saved me the time and money of calling a repair person for an apparently easy fix. Might buy a replacement kit just to be safe.

  • @johnmitchell2741
    @johnmitchell2741 2 роки тому +1

    One very important thing you left out was how to check the suspension rods by pushing down on the tub to see how many times it bounces back up.A nice Mexican man on another video showed that part

  • @nonbizpaul
    @nonbizpaul 6 років тому +6

    Solid instructions. You're going to be better off with two people if you've never done this before. I did it by myself. Would have been a lot easier with an extra set of hands. Thanks!

  • @diamelabelisle8976
    @diamelabelisle8976 7 років тому +9

    This instructional is an awesome find. I was able to order the kit and fix my washing machine for the price of the kit and 1 hour of my time. Initially when I had call 2 local repair shops to look at the machine they wanted to charge me $200 for the diagnosis of the problem even when I had given them the code the machine was blinking. I thought to myself BALONEY!!!
    I'm mechanically incline. I'm gonna do this. Between my boyfriend and I we just finished and the washing machine is washing like new. Thanks again for the video.

    • @christopherrichards3349
      @christopherrichards3349 6 років тому +1

      Thanks for your input Diamela. My repair man wanted to charge me $90 for the visit and $150 to repair. This video saved me some money.

    • @Myshell444
      @Myshell444 5 років тому +1

      @Al Bore that's what I'm afraid of lmao🤔😃

    • @Myshell444
      @Myshell444 5 років тому

      @Al Bore I hear you but washer is basically brand new paid 500$ for it..smh

  • @Zarrellog
    @Zarrellog 4 роки тому +3

    Super helpful. 45 minutes start to finish. Just followed step by step. Thanks.

  • @kingjareyrgv5305
    @kingjareyrgv5305 2 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for your service and instructions

    • @repairclinic
      @repairclinic  2 місяці тому

      You're welcome!
      We are always happy to help. If you would like to give us a review on Google, we would much appreciate it: g.page/r/CcVUrahZNozMEBM/review
      We hope that you have a great day!

  • @trevenelstein3238
    @trevenelstein3238 7 років тому +1

    Thanks a million for posting this. Just gotta let people know that these instructions also apply to the slightly older model of the Whirlpool washer.

  • @evander2on
    @evander2on 4 роки тому +1

    Agreed, your instructional worked like a charm. 45 mins to fixed with the dithering to find your video.

  • @brianmcqueen2604
    @brianmcqueen2604 Рік тому

    Great information shared. Detailed and sequential to allow for a successful replacement of the rods. One consideration for me, when I got to removing the front rods when the machine is placed on its back was to install the rods and secure them to an inner edge for easy access when the machine is placed in an upright position..again great video!

  • @coachgiag
    @coachgiag 6 років тому +4

    I did it! I changed it by myself thanks to your parts I was able to order and this very video. Thank you thank you thank you! Super easy!

  • @GregMunck
    @GregMunck Рік тому +1

    Awesome. Exactly what I needed to fix the extra wobbling and noise after 7 years of use. I needed an extra hand when it was time to hook on the hangers at the top again. You have to pull the new springs pretty hard and lift the center part to pull the hanger hook high enough. Then the other person can get the twisty top on properly. It you had some pieces of plastic or wood to wedge the center piece with the tension on the springs you could probably do it with one person... Worked for me.

  • @bossmaine601
    @bossmaine601 5 років тому +3

    Just fixed mine in about 45 minutes thanks to this channel. I do suggest using help like I did.

  • @daleo.5282
    @daleo.5282 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the video, it helped me replace the suspension rods on my Kenmore series 100. HINT: Be sure you are ready for about a 1/2 gallon of water coming from the drain line @ :50 seconds. I wasn't and the cleanup slowed down my repair job.

  • @algunoscuenticos
    @algunoscuenticos 3 роки тому +6

    Great video. I think you need to add one final step, according to the manual, you should make a calibration of the machine after a hardware change. 😊

    • @kerlenator
      @kerlenator 2 роки тому

      How to calibrate the machine after?

    • @algunoscuenticos
      @algunoscuenticos 2 роки тому +2

      @@kerlenator Oh, you will find many videos explaining searching: "Whirlpool Washer Calibration". I even found the advanced manual inside the machine attached to one of the walls, and it also includes the process to do it.

  • @christopherrichards3349
    @christopherrichards3349 6 років тому

    Excellent Instructional video. Following the instructions saved me over $200.00.

  • @johngregory9121
    @johngregory9121 6 років тому +4

    Great video!! Did the job less than 30 minutes and work perfectly!!

  • @nortoncmd2681
    @nortoncmd2681 2 роки тому

    Thank you very much. I have a piece of crap washer the ends in pool. I called the appliance repair shop. Estimate of $300.00, $95,99 of that to show up. The suspension rod jumped out of the nylon holder. Fixed it it 15 minutes with this video.

  • @williamhicks6409
    @williamhicks6409 8 місяців тому +1

    Excellent video! I have one suggestion. When lifting each rod to install the new ball support, I found I couldn't grip the rod tight enough and it would slip down before I could get the ball support on with my other hand. Using a rubber glove on the hand holding up the rod allowed enough grip to get the ball support on.

  • @AustinFloorguy
    @AustinFloorguy 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the help. The procrastination was worse than the repair. My steps were a little different, since my hands were greasy. Once I got the fronts out and slid back in, I sat it back up and attached the fronts, then, unhooked the back from the rail. Then back over. I just disconnected the power cord, slid it out and tilted it against the hoses, instead of laying it all the way over.

  • @hermanjohnson3254
    @hermanjohnson3254 4 роки тому +2

    Amazing, this is easy as I thought, just finished FIXING mine already and it ready to go!! Good VIDEOS !!

  • @hhhserpents5495
    @hhhserpents5495 2 роки тому

    Thank you! I've appreciated you for years now!

  • @ernestthomas5281
    @ernestthomas5281 5 років тому +1

    I did this and my machine spins with no shaking at all. It's a easy job and the results were amazing .

    • @uncreator3607
      @uncreator3607 4 роки тому

      @@weinerwizard with your mom? go ahead

  • @garysteinert8040
    @garysteinert8040 3 роки тому +1

    Got longer rods from Amazon second time. No videos talk about different length rods

  • @keithhoward1712
    @keithhoward1712 Рік тому

    Ok great tip, use the old suspension rod and on the hook side bend it 90 degrees about 8inches from the hook. After you do that you can reach down with one hand and hook the new rod to pull thru. This gives you significant leverage and makes it so much easier on the other hand to install the new ball supports

  • @vbujhawan
    @vbujhawan 2 роки тому

    Professionally explained

  • @robmondora6351
    @robmondora6351 4 роки тому +1

    Very helpful video. I did the repair per your instructions and the machine is fixed. Thanks!

  • @lanthaniated1
    @lanthaniated1 6 років тому +1

    Renewing the rods and springs fixed my Simpson, it was heavily off balance during a fast spin cycle. My old ones had broken plastic spring retainers under the tub.

  • @delstep2255
    @delstep2255 2 роки тому

    Thanks guys. I just finished my job. Happy wife, happy life. Lol.

  • @lucassacul2012
    @lucassacul2012 5 років тому +1

    Excellent demonstration I liked very fast and objective, but there is something missing and I would have liked to see at the beginning and at the end to fix the washing machine its operation, you could include it the next edition
    Thank you

  • @eddiewalker4049
    @eddiewalker4049 5 років тому +1

    Great video just my washing machine and running great.

  • @florican07
    @florican07 5 років тому +1

    Replaced suspension rods and still didn't solve the problem. Then I replaced Washer Drive Block which solved the problem. Definitely get yourself the spanner wrench. It's worth it! I tried to remove it first without the spanner wrench and it didn't work. Once I got the spanner wrench, it was super easy. Replacing the Washer Drive Block solved the possesed washer machine problem.

  • @hlopez3975
    @hlopez3975 3 роки тому

    150 dislikes? Why???? Thank you video was very helpful less 25 minutes and it’s done.

  • @martaescobar7625
    @martaescobar7625 6 років тому +2

    Excellent....thanks so much for posting. I was able to change out my rods and the washer works like a spinning top! I will wash smaller loads, as I think I wore out these springs sooner by trying to do quilts and blankets, it's a small machine.

  • @Rockhead6
    @Rockhead6 6 років тому +5

    Will this fix a top load washer that has a bucket that dropped about a inch?

  • @shuaibalidan4313
    @shuaibalidan4313 Рік тому

    Very helpful video. Keep up the good work.

  • @winstonprimo5736
    @winstonprimo5736 2 роки тому

    Thank you. This was very helpful.

  • @pioegan
    @pioegan 4 роки тому

    I tried all these fixes to get the washer to stop shaking. Here is how I fixed it. Take out the tub, it comes right out after removing the center bolt. Flip the tub upside down and shake it. Remove the $2.50 in coin trapped between the two parts of the tub. That's it, the shocks are fine, they slide on the rods, the springs are fine if not broken. Washer works like new.

  • @kalaminu
    @kalaminu 6 років тому +9

    Thanks for this video. I will say that this dude makes it look a whole lot easier than it was lol probably just practice

    • @SwagJaws
      @SwagJaws 5 років тому +5

      Probably because that washer is brand new and has never seen an once of water in it's life.

  • @onlyfromabovejp1813
    @onlyfromabovejp1813 6 років тому

    best video thus far, for rod replacement, thank you..

  • @edwardcagle7277
    @edwardcagle7277 6 років тому +2

    Great instructional video for rod replacement, but how do you know this is causing the uL code? Based on all these videos I have watched so far, it could be the bearing, ring, or balance spring.......this is killing me!

  • @samasowmya9622
    @samasowmya9622 3 роки тому

    Wow sir ...very impressive ❤️❤️

  • @alejandromagno50
    @alejandromagno50 7 років тому +1

    Gracias fue de gran ayuda. saludos desde Guadalajara, Jalisco Mexico.

  • @gerrafj3
    @gerrafj3 5 років тому +1

    You make raising the rods from the top of the machine look so very simple. My rods are near impossible to lift, even using a vicegrip to help pull them up. Did you put something like a stool, under the washer to raise the tub before removing the rods, that didn't show up in the video.? Or another way to lift rods, as simple as you did it? My rods have the weight of the tub pushing them down and impossible to lift them up. For your help please.

    • @tperkins27
      @tperkins27 3 роки тому

      Mine is extremely heavy as well, how did you manage to fix it bc I gave up

    • @daphnebasset940
      @daphnebasset940 2 роки тому

      Exactly! My tub weighs a ton. There’s got to be a work around because deadlifting thus much weight with one hand isn’t realistic

  • @gsunde
    @gsunde 3 роки тому

    A+ OUTSTANDING!!

  • @jageforthewin
    @jageforthewin 8 років тому +3

    Very helpful! Thank you.

  • @piddler5188
    @piddler5188 7 років тому +3

    an't understand why the whit piece not being stationary causes this. It seems the weight of the load is pushing down. Not arguing the point, just don't quite understand it.
    If that is the problem, maybe the spring is still good and the cap can be made stationary. Might try this as I deal with this from time to time with these washers. Some of the rod assemblies are very expensive and can make the repair cost prohibitive for resale.
    I do have an idea or two as to how this may be accomplished.

    • @battlehrfred
      @battlehrfred 2 роки тому

      Hi Piddler51 i was wondering if you ever found a way to stop the vibration and just do a magic fix on the springs and rods>>ty

  • @ivancollazo3164
    @ivancollazo3164 2 роки тому

    Excellent, Thanks

  • @kimpossible5939
    @kimpossible5939 6 місяців тому

    Are all four rods the same? I switched them out and now the tub is leaning. I noticed two rods seem to have more play although they’re new. I changed all four.

  • @397coney7
    @397coney7 4 роки тому

    Trying to figure out these rods. When these rods are out of the machine, should you be able to move the springs up and down the length of the rod or are they suppose to be held in place at the bottom?

  • @lsx434
    @lsx434 3 роки тому

    best video

  • @DubartisSmith
    @DubartisSmith 2 місяці тому

    Thanks!

    • @repairclinic
      @repairclinic  2 місяці тому

      Thank you for supporting our channel.
      We are always happy to help. If you would like to give us a review on Google, we would much appreciate it: g.page/r/CcVUrahZNozMEBM/review
      We hope that you have a great day!

  • @jerrywilson4795
    @jerrywilson4795 3 роки тому

    Do you need to replace the rods with springs or just the nylon grommets ? Amana shows kits & gromments seperate ? Thank you .

  • @stephenhenwood8624
    @stephenhenwood8624 2 роки тому

    is the tub supposed to sink while the water is filling

  • @shelleymason1170
    @shelleymason1170 Рік тому

    i already replaced the belt works great hope this works , im glad i watched this before i bought new rods ty for explaining what was wrong it was hard to find ill let u know if it works

  • @charleskimbrough1723
    @charleskimbrough1723 2 роки тому

    pay attention to the end of the video. Notice how loose & sloppy the tub is.
    Their is a reason for this. The Machine is still missing 4 springs which keeps the Tub centered.

  • @triumphmanful
    @triumphmanful 2 роки тому

    Our Fisher Paykel has no screw or tabs to remove the top or back . How do they get inside ?

  • @lanewsreport1752
    @lanewsreport1752 7 років тому +1

    what is a fair price for this repair? If i decide not to do it myself?

  • @isaacrosado5985
    @isaacrosado5985 5 місяців тому

    If I change the suspension, is the washing machine not supposed to ring?

  • @artwilmeth6944
    @artwilmeth6944 4 роки тому

    why didn't you replace the tub balance springs ? My model # 110.20022012 has tub balance springs ?

  • @QueenBridges420
    @QueenBridges420 2 роки тому

    We have a Whirlpool Cabrio Platinum and can't seem to find the correct suspension kit to replace the old one. I ordered a kit but they are too short. I don't have the papers anymore

  • @Deus-Vult-AMDG
    @Deus-Vult-AMDG 4 роки тому

    thank you

  • @Canyon-xs6vd
    @Canyon-xs6vd 3 роки тому

    Hook part got tipped. Should I buy a new rod?

  • @diegogebrann8024
    @diegogebrann8024 5 років тому

    Good Afternoon Repair Clinic, I am really in the need of fix my Whirlpool Washer Machine, I have a problem with the inner tub, A technician came and he took all the balance water out of the tub(He didn't knew what he was doing) now I want to fill it again with water but I really dont know how much water does it need for every hole, I thought it was 3/4 parts of the hole, but when I try its to heavy. I also have a thing with the suspension Kit, its no working anymore, is there anyway I could fix the suspension kit without the need of buying a new one, I have try everything, I really need the help of a professional team. Thank you

  • @SuperSlawter
    @SuperSlawter 4 роки тому

    My washer has this suspension system and keeps shaking violently. The springs are fine and I can’t think of anything else it could be. What might cause it to do this and how could I go about fixing it?

  • @daniellara242
    @daniellara242 Рік тому

    The door wont unlock after i did this any advice?

  • @rruizproductions
    @rruizproductions 7 років тому

    Perfect fix. Thanks!

  • @sunsunsun11
    @sunsunsun11 3 роки тому

    All Whirlpool Washing Machine have same Suspension Kit. I have model Number is LSR7238w2.. which one I need.

  • @karenirelan8982
    @karenirelan8982 6 років тому

    I did this repair per the video - seemed easy enough. However, now my tub is scraping on one side as I spin it. It has to be scraping the lid because I dont hear it with the lid still open. ANy suggestions as to why it would not be sitting level?

  • @pw5207
    @pw5207 Рік тому

    One thing for sure: Buy one of these and this maintenance will be required: repeatedly.

  • @moisesdavila2211
    @moisesdavila2211 6 років тому

    Excellent video!!!

  • @brucesitka573
    @brucesitka573 Рік тому

    Did this repair and did not solve the problem. Any other ideas? Makes no sense why this washer does not stop when it is violently moving across the floor.

  • @Ottersmilk
    @Ottersmilk 5 років тому +1

    Somebody please help. My washer same as this has been going crazy shaking extremely violently. I changed out these suspension parts. Also the little springs up top. And it’s even worse! Please help.

    • @skorpsaiyan2361
      @skorpsaiyan2361 5 років тому

      Same here. I installed new suspension rods and it is even worse shaking every spin cycle. :(

    • @Ottersmilk
      @Ottersmilk 5 років тому

      Skorp Saiyan have you found maybe another spring maybe that goes under?? I have tried to find parts list but no luck..

  • @MrMrSaldana
    @MrMrSaldana 5 років тому

    What about water inside the washer....when tipped over..wont it spill out...i notice there is water when not in use...normal?

  • @internetcarson
    @internetcarson 4 роки тому +1

    does anyone make overbuilt suspension kits for these?

  • @mr2law
    @mr2law 8 років тому +3

    Thanks for sharing. How can you tell by looking at the old suspension rod that is is worn? My whirlpool washer shakes violently during the spin cycle. Do the springs shag?

    • @BlackSugar419
      @BlackSugar419 7 років тому

      mr2law good question, I'd like to know as well, besides an obvious visible break

    • @mr2law
      @mr2law 7 років тому

      BlackSugar419 Thanks but I already found the answer to my question. Please check my Channel I posted a video about It

    • @BlackSugar419
      @BlackSugar419 7 років тому +2

      mr2law shameless plug

    • @mr2law
      @mr2law 7 років тому

      BlackSugar419 excuse me?

    • @BlackSugar419
      @BlackSugar419 7 років тому

      mr2law just a joke bud settle down. I can't even figure out to get to your page anyways

  • @bagonickmodeste9658
    @bagonickmodeste9658 3 роки тому

    Do you stock rods for Samsung 16kg washer (wobble

  • @daniellangruen706
    @daniellangruen706 7 років тому +1

    muy bueno saludos desde cdmx azcapotzalco

  • @mathmexican4234
    @mathmexican4234 3 роки тому

    Does anyone know what the little plastic circles are for (like slightly above the springs along the rod)? Should they be up higher or closer to the springs?

  • @cinedaniels5884
    @cinedaniels5884 3 роки тому

    What suspension rod should I use for my whirlpool machine model # 10664746 or model # 1MWTW1715CW0

  • @MrMrSaldana
    @MrMrSaldana 4 роки тому +7

    An example of what a suspension rod that was no good would of been nice...

    • @algunoscuenticos
      @algunoscuenticos 3 роки тому +4

      The suspension rod has a plastic piece that moves a little up and down, in an old rod this piece is too loose. In another video, a guy explained that this can be considered a defect in the design of the rod. Each time the piece looses friction, the machine starts to shake and we need to buy another suspension set.

  • @kishoremushetty1262
    @kishoremushetty1262 5 років тому

    Thanks

  • @AnuRadha-kr1cm
    @AnuRadha-kr1cm 9 місяців тому

    How much cost

  • @Psycho9263
    @Psycho9263 7 років тому

    You did forget one step. When removing the old bushings clean all the bushing seats of any possible dirt, grease or soap film by wiping with a cloth. If any grease accumulated on the bushing surface you can clean it with a rag with some alcohol. If not, simply wipe them out of any dust/dirt and resume the installation. Do not use any grease in the bushings or seats.

  • @skorpsaiyan2361
    @skorpsaiyan2361 5 років тому +1

    I did install them, but it is still shaking it. What else can it be?

    • @carlosalemar8909
      @carlosalemar8909 5 років тому +2

      Watch another Video, mine had the 4 silver springs missing from rods attached to tub rim (on top) (since I bought it I guess). Bought the 4 silver springs Buy the new Washer Counterbalance Spring Kit 285901. Hope this helps.....maybe if they had them from purchase date....this would not have happened to us. Peace! (I replaced rods & shocks x4 also)

  • @kennynvake4hve584
    @kennynvake4hve584 6 років тому

    Could someone please tell me how to check this rod, spring assy...my washer goes out of balance and the tub hits the side of the washer, every time in the spin cycle. I took the rod out..and the white piece is moving up and down on the rod..is this suppose to happen, or does the white stay and not move..I dont understand this part...the weight is on the spring, and the bottom black plastic part..and that is what holds the tub up....I dont understand......

  • @skyewagoner5837
    @skyewagoner5837 6 років тому

    IT Worked Thank you so much!!!!!!!

  • @alejandrocova8068
    @alejandrocova8068 5 років тому

    Saludos, excelente y bien explicado. México.

  • @rafaelricosantoyo3071
    @rafaelricosantoyo3071 5 років тому +1

    Necesito 4 pz xfa ....$ cuanto

  • @luisalfonsohf
    @luisalfonsohf 7 років тому

    Hola, me gustaría saber si envías el Kit de suspensión #W10780053 a Colombia Medellin, o quien lo distribuye y cuanto cuesta, muchas gracias, cordial saludo.

  • @jhonjairotangarifejimenez5782
    @jhonjairotangarifejimenez5782 7 років тому

    cómo hago para conectar los cables del motor de el taimer ya que des c on echaron todo y ahora no se como van es una lavadora digital haceb

  • @geraldgolen9157
    @geraldgolen9157 Рік тому

    That suspension rod appears to have alot of moving parts and you never identified which part was responsible. I guess the customer has to buy a whole kit instead of being allowed to dis-assemble and replace ONLY the defective part.

  • @edgargiles3246
    @edgargiles3246 7 років тому

    hello!
    just wanted to know where can I find the white plastic holds the suspension I just need one.
    thanks

  • @franciscatorres4715
    @franciscatorres4715 6 років тому

    now let me know where to buy by mail. thank.

  • @youngboyce1800
    @youngboyce1800 6 років тому

    Hi how can I get those parts for a kenmore100series

  • @khannguyan-tg1vk
    @khannguyan-tg1vk 11 днів тому

    NO ONE TELL ME WHAT DIFFERENCE THE NEW AND BAD ONE