Hi Dave, at the end of this video, you mentioned you can give more tips on Kronos Sample Loop Editing. I've been stuck with annoying "Clicks" when I use loop with Samples. Please give us some advices. Really appreciated.
Hello! Thank you for the video! Q: It's possible to load in KRONOS user piano samples, which have 7-9 velocity layers, around 400-600 wav files, how is the procedure? Any limits? Thank you in advance!
I would like to know from someone who have done a lot of sampling stuff, that how many samples per octave requires to avoid tonal interval break down between the notes?
If you want to be incredibly accurate, every note should have it's own sample. Generally speaking it depends on the waveforms being used, the quality of the sample and other similar factors. Keeping in mind that tonally stretching upwards 'sounds better' than stretching down because of the increase in sample density per second. There's no solid go-to response really. Most people seem to stretch no more than 4-5 semitones, so that's about 4-5 samples per octave. It really depends on the waveform being sampled however.
Yes! Thank you! I’ve been having a hell of a time just updating my Kronos just because 2 gb drives (fat 16 largest volume) are so hard to find! Any tips on that? There’s got to be easier ways to do it?
Well, FAT is just a "File Allocation Table" - you can take a 16gb USB stick and format it into FAT32 and the Kronos will read it just fine. It's only the Kurzweil that is stuck reading FAT16. The Kronos CANNOT read NTFS however, which for some people is the default formatting in Windows. It also can't read exFAT as far as I know which is for sticks above 32gb. But there's nothing saying the Kronos must only read FAT16.
Thanks for sharing this videos got my new Kronos 2 88 yesterday but i can't get my Yamaha FC4 Damper to sustain the notes i even went into the Polarity settings but after changing from Minus to Plus and then i held and released the Pedal and pressed done but i got the error Can't Calibrate.
Have you tried restarting the Kronos? Usually the calibration refers to the screen, the pedal shouldn't need any calibration. Make sure it's plugged into the damper connection and not something else.
Thanks! Your videos have helped me out many on many occasions. I'm touring an album with a bunch of analog synths on it, and though I thankfully have access to the synths to sample them for the kronos, It will be about 15-20 patches, which will obviously be quite time consuming. Would you still recommend this method for that purpose? I was hoping for a little more efficiency.
Al Fehr - Great question, and thanks for your feedback - I'm glad I'm helping! About your sampling conundrum, you have a few options. 1 - Do the work, sample the sounds you need and put them into your Kronos. It's cheap, but takes a long time and the quality only is as good as the work put into it. If you're not VERY comfortable with sampling and converting samples into the Kronos, it can also be a learning experience but again - timely. 2 - Recreate the sounds in the Kronos without samples. The Kronos is a VERY capable workstation, so if you have the skill, it might take less or more time, but could also be far more expressive to make the Kronos replicate the sounds you're using on the other synths as closely as possible. It depends on the skill of the programmer, and the quality of the original sounds (samples) as well. 3 - Hire someone to do the work for you who has the time/skill. Someone who's an efficient programmer could likely work out the sounds for you within a few hours to get a few sounds. Usually, though not always, it's a safe bet to suggest that a single sound can take about an hour. Some much faster, some more slow, so think about averages here. (This also depends on the quality of the recreation as well - I could get you a sound that's pretty close within 30 minutes, but how close do you need it to be?) In this case, you are paying someone to make the sounds for you where it'll take them less time than it would you. 4 - Take your analog boards with you. That may or may not be an option. So there's a few choices here you could go with. If you do end up going with option 3, let me know - I might be able to help. Depending on the complexity of the analog sounds you're using, they may be simple to make in the Kronos or incredibly difficult. There's also the variability of sound too - Is there a lot of sweeping or movement within the sound or are they pretty 'stationary?" in that they don't swell/swirl much? If you do get stuck and need a hand, shoot me an email at audoraaudio@gmail.com
I use a different technique making all editing outside instruments. All I load into the keys are finalised kmps. One other thing about spotting the key root of each sample in KRZ K-2XXX series. Each sample region includes a sample that states its root key next to its name. Which means that Heaven Bells E4 is the sample with key root E4. Each region has its own sample in the middle of it and not at top or bottom notes. That way the alising noise produced by altering original sample freaquency to get different pitches, is reduced to acceptable amounts. Keep sampling dude!
Great tutorial on the subject, but isn't much easier to use one of the automatic/semiautomatic converters that is available today ? If you eg have an older favorite synth/rompler with loads of sounds you've been using and now want to dish it in favour of eg. the Kronos, just to buy one of these ?. If you have many sounds it can take you many months of very tedious work of sampling, editing , saving .. loading, making decent loops, assigning keymaps etc. etc. I don't believe the the auto converters do a perfect job each time, but unless people are very criticall, most times they do a fair job, and you can save some serious time that is better spent on other stuff. Some of the software, like Extreme Sample Converter and Sample Robot supports both manual, assisted and full atuomatic convertion of both outboard gear and your favorite VST instruments to a large selection of different sample formats so you have a fair chance to find a format that you can load in whatever live keyboard you are using. For many sounds the software will do a fair usable job in creating loops and keymaps, and those sounds that you arent totally happy with you can always choose to redo manually.
Hi, I'm in love with the "Full Pizzicato"-sound on my Kurzweil Forte. I want to get it over into my kronos. I know the keymap ID of the sound but when I try to edit a clear program there's no option called keymap. What am I doing wrong? :D
I'm not as familiar with the Forte - It's possible that Kurzweil has locked down the OS to prevent this exact issue that I'm showing how I did. I'd have to look at the Forte as well - If it's a ROMpler instead of a true sampler or workstation, then it's very likely that they don't give you access to the ROM that stores the samples for ripping or manipulation. I'm not sure to be totally honest.
+The King There's a few reasons: 1 - I'm reproducing a sound. I want accuracy, and the original Setup (Combi in Kurzweil terms) used this sound. 2 - Polyphony. I might be able to re-create this sound and even accurately but it might takes several layers, oscillators and such. If I sample this sound, it takes exactly 1 oscillator from the HD-1 engine. When you have huge layers within a combi, polyphony becomes a concern 3 - Time. I am working on a much larger production and this is a very small component to it. For me to add the sample and make it part of my custom sample set that loads when I boot is a much smaller time investment than investing the time to re-create the sound internally in the Kronos, only to have no guarantees that it will sonically fit properly in the mix within the Combi. This is a little more guaranteed. Also remember that all the synth sounds in the Kronos HD-1 engine are sampled from other synths or are variations of those synths. Look at the waveform list - Lots of waveform samples from a bunch of other synths from the M1 to you name it.
You absolutely can, but there's a LOT more control that you're going to have by doing the pre-work on a PC first before importing it into the Kronos. Quick and dirty sampling is fine, but I prefer to make everything as clean/consistent as possible before putting it into the Kronos. The less work you have to do there, the better (In my opinion)
I'd love to get my Post Organ Toolkit sampled into my Kronos 2. The reason I keep the Kurzweil K2600 is for the organs and the piano.
Hi Dave, at the end of this video, you mentioned you can give more tips on Kronos Sample Loop Editing. I've been stuck with annoying "Clicks" when I use loop with Samples. Please give us some advices. Really appreciated.
Hello! Thank you for the video! Q: It's possible to load in KRONOS user piano samples, which have 7-9 velocity layers, around 400-600 wav files, how is the procedure? Any limits? Thank you in advance!
This is a great video! Takes knowing and understanding the Kronos to the next level. I saw the gun on the tower btw Lol You got a new subscriber!
I would like to know from someone who have done a lot of sampling stuff, that how many samples per octave requires to avoid tonal interval break down between the notes?
If you want to be incredibly accurate, every note should have it's own sample. Generally speaking it depends on the waveforms being used, the quality of the sample and other similar factors. Keeping in mind that tonally stretching upwards 'sounds better' than stretching down because of the increase in sample density per second. There's no solid go-to response really. Most people seem to stretch no more than 4-5 semitones, so that's about 4-5 samples per octave. It really depends on the waveform being sampled however.
Yes! Thank you! I’ve been having a hell of a time just updating my Kronos just because 2 gb drives (fat 16 largest volume) are so hard to find! Any tips on that? There’s got to be easier ways to do it?
Well, FAT is just a "File Allocation Table" - you can take a 16gb USB stick and format it into FAT32 and the Kronos will read it just fine. It's only the Kurzweil that is stuck reading FAT16.
The Kronos CANNOT read NTFS however, which for some people is the default formatting in Windows. It also can't read exFAT as far as I know which is for sticks above 32gb.
But there's nothing saying the Kronos must only read FAT16.
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Thanks for sharing this videos got my new Kronos 2 88 yesterday but i can't get my Yamaha FC4 Damper to sustain the notes i even went into the Polarity settings but after changing from Minus to Plus and then i held and released the Pedal and pressed done but i got the error Can't Calibrate.
Have you tried restarting the Kronos? Usually the calibration refers to the screen, the pedal shouldn't need any calibration. Make sure it's plugged into the damper connection and not something else.
Thanks! Your videos have helped me out many on many occasions. I'm touring an album with a bunch of analog synths on it, and though I thankfully have access to the synths to sample them for the kronos, It will be about 15-20 patches, which will obviously be quite time consuming. Would you still recommend this method for that purpose? I was hoping for a little more efficiency.
Al Fehr - Great question, and thanks for your feedback - I'm glad I'm helping!
About your sampling conundrum, you have a few options.
1 - Do the work, sample the sounds you need and put them into your Kronos. It's cheap, but takes a long time and the quality only is as good as the work put into it. If you're not VERY comfortable with sampling and converting samples into the Kronos, it can also be a learning experience but again - timely.
2 - Recreate the sounds in the Kronos without samples. The Kronos is a VERY capable workstation, so if you have the skill, it might take less or more time, but could also be far more expressive to make the Kronos replicate the sounds you're using on the other synths as closely as possible. It depends on the skill of the programmer, and the quality of the original sounds (samples) as well.
3 - Hire someone to do the work for you who has the time/skill. Someone who's an efficient programmer could likely work out the sounds for you within a few hours to get a few sounds. Usually, though not always, it's a safe bet to suggest that a single sound can take about an hour. Some much faster, some more slow, so think about averages here. (This also depends on the quality of the recreation as well - I could get you a sound that's pretty close within 30 minutes, but how close do you need it to be?) In this case, you are paying someone to make the sounds for you where it'll take them less time than it would you.
4 - Take your analog boards with you. That may or may not be an option.
So there's a few choices here you could go with.
If you do end up going with option 3, let me know - I might be able to help. Depending on the complexity of the analog sounds you're using, they may be simple to make in the Kronos or incredibly difficult. There's also the variability of sound too - Is there a lot of sweeping or movement within the sound or are they pretty 'stationary?" in that they don't swell/swirl much?
If you do get stuck and need a hand, shoot me an email at audoraaudio@gmail.com
I use a different technique making all editing outside instruments.
All I load into the keys are finalised kmps.
One other thing about spotting the key root of each sample in KRZ K-2XXX series.
Each sample region includes a sample that states its root key next to its name.
Which means that Heaven Bells E4 is the sample with key root E4.
Each region has its own sample in the middle of it and not at top or bottom notes.
That way the alising noise produced by altering original sample freaquency to get different pitches, is reduced to acceptable amounts.
Keep sampling dude!
Would you happen to have a video for your process. I am desperately trying to learn how to sample old keys I have into Kronos 2
How do you connect the keyboard to audacity?
USB cable!
@@AudoraAudio ight, thank ya good man
Great tutorial on the subject, but isn't much easier to use one of the automatic/semiautomatic converters that is available today ? If you eg have an older favorite synth/rompler with loads of sounds you've been using and now want to dish it in favour of eg. the Kronos, just to buy one of these ?. If you have many sounds it can take you many months of very tedious work of sampling, editing , saving .. loading, making decent loops, assigning keymaps etc. etc. I don't believe the the auto converters do a perfect job each time, but unless people are very criticall, most times they do a fair job, and you can save some serious time that is better spent on other stuff. Some of the software, like Extreme Sample Converter and Sample Robot supports both manual, assisted and full atuomatic convertion of both outboard gear and your favorite VST instruments to a large selection of different sample formats so you have a fair chance to find a format that you can load in whatever live keyboard you are using. For many sounds the software will do a fair usable job in creating loops and keymaps, and those sounds that you arent totally happy with you can always choose to redo manually.
Hi,
I'm in love with the "Full Pizzicato"-sound on my Kurzweil Forte. I want to get it over into my kronos. I know the keymap ID of the sound but when I try to edit a clear program there's no option called keymap.
What am I doing wrong? :D
I'm not as familiar with the Forte - It's possible that Kurzweil has locked down the OS to prevent this exact issue that I'm showing how I did. I'd have to look at the Forte as well - If it's a ROMpler instead of a true sampler or workstation, then it's very likely that they don't give you access to the ROM that stores the samples for ripping or manipulation. I'm not sure to be totally honest.
Audacity excellent program!
What are your studio monitors?
Наталья Кабаченко They are Blue Sky Pro Desk 2.1 monitors, the same used in the studio that made Star Wars! abluesky.com/products/prodesk-2-1/
nice handgun dude..
why didnt you just use kronos? no need for external anything
+The King There's a few reasons:
1 - I'm reproducing a sound. I want accuracy, and the original Setup (Combi in Kurzweil terms) used this sound.
2 - Polyphony. I might be able to re-create this sound and even accurately but it might takes several layers, oscillators and such. If I sample this sound, it takes exactly 1 oscillator from the HD-1 engine. When you have huge layers within a combi, polyphony becomes a concern
3 - Time. I am working on a much larger production and this is a very small component to it. For me to add the sample and make it part of my custom sample set that loads when I boot is a much smaller time investment than investing the time to re-create the sound internally in the Kronos, only to have no guarantees that it will sonically fit properly in the mix within the Combi. This is a little more guaranteed.
Also remember that all the synth sounds in the Kronos HD-1 engine are sampled from other synths or are variations of those synths. Look at the waveform list - Lots of waveform samples from a bunch of other synths from the M1 to you name it.
Excellent response
Why not just sample it into the Kronos?
You absolutely can, but there's a LOT more control that you're going to have by doing the pre-work on a PC first before importing it into the Kronos.
Quick and dirty sampling is fine, but I prefer to make everything as clean/consistent as possible before putting it into the Kronos. The less work you have to do there, the better (In my opinion)