Ok but what if they very slightly changed Vel'koz? His Q could be a sphere (2 charges) that rapidly casts on your cursor for high damage His W could pick up that sphere, to throw it at enemies to slow them His E could be a knockback that also displaces spheres, stunning enemies if they get hit by them His ult could just launch all the spheres at an enemy for massive damage. I think that would make him MUCH easier to play honestly
Or maybe: His Q could be a sphere that gets thrown on your cursor for high damage His W could make the spere instantly deal AOE damage and slow targets and give speed to everyone His E could be a shield that also displaces sphere to you, also dealing damage if they get hit by them His ult could just launch all the peoples into the sphere for massive damage and aoe displacement
Playing Vel'Koz is like playing a lefty guitar while being a righty, and playing an odd time signature, while being upside down and underwater - all that with an alternate tuning.
if velkoz is pain and suffering then i am a masochist i GENUINELY LOVE playing velkoz, i LOVE HAVING A SKILLSHOT ORIENTED CHARACTER, that looks genuinely SO FUCKING COOL HOLY SHIT GIANT EYEBALL WITH 3 TENTACLES HOLY FUUCK I LOVE VELKOZ, im genuinely SERIOUS I DONT WANT TO PLAY AUTO ATTACK BASED CHAMPION I DONT WANT TO ENGAGE I DONT WANT TO HEAL I DONT WANT TO DO ANY OF THESE THINGS I WANNA SIT IN THE BACK, CHUCK ALL MY SKILLSHOTS, DEAL 2000 TRUE DAMAGE, i genuinely FUCKING LOOOOOVVEEEE VEELKKOZZZZ
It's so funny to see a great player like Nemesis suffering from playing vel'koz. Now one can see how weak the champion is and how much skill you need in order to play it in high elo.
5:25 Exactly, I truly believe Yone is insane I legit wait for someone to teach me his flaws. You can outplay Yone as much as you want literally sidestep his Q and shit and yet you still get plastered when he E and beats you repeatedly with his sharp stick, impossible to outrade in E and you cannot avoid trading since it dashes the full length of the lane when he has E Q3. Happens to me on champs like Taliyah who is supposed to counter him and still gets the stick regardless of any stuns and W hits. "Just respect Q3" sure but in the end he decides everything like hes a tinder hot girl. Surely sometimes you get some ruthless poke in land everything and space perfectly but 99% of the time if you dare hit him he empties his kit and flattens your healthbar
You either go dark harvest or comet on vel'koz, for first item recomended Imperian. got S+ 2 times in a row support role with teleport combo use W to apply passive than use Q for max demage and/or E for stun or R to finish it of also dont use R untill u apply pasive on enemy or it wont deal any demage, with passive R masive demage. U can deal from 600/700 all the way up to 800 demage if passiwe applied on Q with dark harvest and some items well good luck
Playing Vel'Koz is like using a glass cannon. You can easily destroy your enemies but you can also easily get destroyed. More often than not you can't carry because you can make 100 good plays but just one bad play and it's over. So when you play this champ make sure you have reliable teammates and at least one good front liner that can take the aggro off of you.
I feel like velkoz as a champ is just obsolete.. is there anything he can do better than other champs (aka is he ever best in slot)? would you ever pick velkoz over Syndra? all his power is in his q which you need to be surgical to hit especially during laning - his w does next to nothing for you - he is super immobile (Syndra knock-back is far superior to e and buys space easier aka can't be jumped as easy, her poke lands easier, she scales better, executes just as well)..velkoz is almost like Morgana where all the power centres around her relatively slow moving hard to hit q that can't pass through minions its like whenever I want to go Morgana, I can just go lux instead - bind can travel through minions, higher damage output, better range when I want to go velkoz, I can just go syndra instead there is just no slot in which velkoz would be a better pick as a control mage, hence he is obsolete - imagine how much better you have to execute on that champ to achieve the same result
@@johnkirk1772 Well first of all he does true damage from the start of the game which no other pure mage can do except Ahri on her Q return. So he has higher damage potential early because a good chunk of his damage ignores magic resist. Second, his ult converts into true damage if you proc his passive, which simply melts tanks with high resistances like butter. Third, the Q may take precision to land but it’s unique in many ways. It splits into 2 at an angle and when it does so it disappears momentarily. So you can hit around targets, corner an opponent between the angle and terrain and add delay to have the right timing. Once I even managed to hit Yasuo through his wind wall by timing the split when it was almost on top of it by accident. So in short he has his strong points, though I agree his kit and scaling are lackluster compared to the recently released champions with crazy damage and mobility and overloaded kits.
we know his kit, doesnt make him better than for example a syndra that also does true dmg at a time she starts facing tanks and later executes@@LAM1895
It's like he says, to land those skills shots you need to position yourself in a way that makes it easier to hit the enemy. If you are against melee champs you can make them chase you and put skills shots in their path towards you. By zoning them you can make their path predictable and trap them in the angle of the Q. W is easier to hit through minions, so you can use it to stack the passive and bait them to jump on you to land the Q point blank and proc the passive at the same time, dealing massive damage. The E should be used either defensively close to you or when you are sure they can't evade it anymore.
About building Rylai's on Vel'Koz it's true you don't get as much value as other champs but I think it's still worth it for the additional bulk and the fact that your W is the easiest to land so you can apply the slow more effectively. It also synergizes well with the ult. Plus if you have Liandry's it extends the duration.
i might be just emerald hardstuck vel otp but didnt he fuck his wave up again pushing 13:00? and starting the getting zoned off cycle again? i get that after the next wave it will be pushed further away but atleast you have 30 seconds where yone has to walk up a bit where you might get some yone hp
We dont talk too much about the mistakes of high level players, they know what they do wrong when they look at their vods the next day, and we can all tell that theyve made a mistake cause we are addicted to the content
@@ViktorLoR_Mainu i was more surprised that azzapp didnt mention it as i feel like its something that makes vel feel shitty bc you pushed a wave too early
Has he talked about Zoe before? I feel like some of these concepts definitely apply to her Paddle Star (Q) as well, but somehow I feel he will say she is easy to play lol
Zoe is super fucking hard to play because she's so unconventional. Sure, her basic (and most toxic) combo is simple to do, but going about everything (laning, positioning in team fights) is different to other mages
litherally everyone hates playing into yone but hes meta in to lanes. zed is held weakish because everyone hates to play against him. why not nerf the fucking yone w at least
I like Vel’koz, I truly like the guy, from the design to the league’s lore around him. That's why he's in my champ pool. Pain and suffering are what comes along the way.
I get the point of Nemesis but he himself chose to play Vel'Koz into Yone. It's like picking Malphite into Sylas and saying that Malphite suck (ofc it's not that extream but still)
It's honestly not that bad, I mean, if you are not in lane with sylas its bad bc he can use your ult to gain advantage in lane, but I have played malphite vs sylas in top and you can actually outplay him most of the time.
Yes and then he also didn't use his advantages by deciding not to back a couple of times when he had tp ready, forcing him to take fights with item and hp disadvantage. Could have gone way better for him.
That's litreally me. seeing a dude playing Vel'koz so well and then jump in to play it and realising i'm not "HIM". but don't get me wrong i find playing Vel'koz it's fun tho
like i know nemesis is good hes way better than me but it feels like he dosent uderstand vel'koz or panth cause he ults into panth e and holds it for half a second after
I have to agree with nemesis on this where unless you just like the champ why would you intentionally pick a champ that isnt as good and is harder to play than something broken?
the comment on syndra w doing too much damage while velcoz no is bs. Ori w deleted champs , tf w has really good damage . Everyone besides velcoz has good w
idk how saying that ability its really hard to land it isnt just saying that i dont have the skill to land the ability. Unless ur saying that its slow there fore its hard to land but its just a line skill shot its not a voli E
*disclaimer* unless his enemy supp is Xerath, then you cry cz his excessively long range bs is easier to land than Vel. Other than the ult, but if you're close enough to land Vel ult on Xerath he's likely close enough to interrupt it
It's kinda wierd for me that many people say Vel'koz Q is hard to land. For me it's a lot easier than landing Yasuo Q. Most player have no clue how to dodge it if Vel'koz player use it properly.
Yasuo's Q and some other spells go through minions and champs. So if your target is behind you can still hit it. While with vel'koz you have to avoid the things between you and your target. That's the pleasure of playing vel'koz but it does make it harder to hit the target consistently
Best Velkoz player in the world here - ( Myself, not azzap or the whiner ) Velkoz is great. End of story. And if anyone ... ANYONE in the world wants the pain, you'll get it FROM Velkoz ! MVP
Wouldnt it be funny if the VelKoz community realized they were just whining about their Champ being weak and low tier to cope like every other gamer in history? I like this guy but cut the shit. You picked a low tier character, execute and excell or shut up and accept your fate. Its kind of embarassing.
velkoz is pain and suffering
Vel'koz is just like me fr
Thats what makes him fun to master
Wait, he is? Weird. I didn't notice.
I have more in common with velkoz than i thought
thats why its so good to play him, you need actual skill not like brainless champions that came last years
I love this analysis of a high elo player playing Vel'koz. Would love to see more
That would require there to be more than a single high elo player that plays velkoz.
TRUE@@MoonBeautySabata
Ok but what if they very slightly changed Vel'koz?
His Q could be a sphere (2 charges) that rapidly casts on your cursor for high damage
His W could pick up that sphere, to throw it at enemies to slow them
His E could be a knockback that also displaces spheres, stunning enemies if they get hit by them
His ult could just launch all the spheres at an enemy for massive damage.
I think that would make him MUCH easier to play honestly
Also u can get ult stacking passive and after getting certain ammount of stacks ur ult should execute , that also would be good change
make him look like an anime girl as well, that way he would be more popular and get more buffs
The fact that it took me till the w to realize this was just syndras kit is kinda embarrassing lmao
Or maybe:
His Q could be a sphere that gets thrown on your cursor for high damage
His W could make the spere instantly deal AOE damage and slow targets and give speed to everyone
His E could be a shield that also displaces sphere to you, also dealing damage if they get hit by them
His ult could just launch all the peoples into the sphere for massive damage and aoe displacement
I see the secret whispers of the Syndra cult. Time to join.
Playing Vel'Koz is like playing a lefty guitar while being a righty, and playing an odd time signature, while being upside down and underwater - all that with an alternate tuning.
As both a musician and a Vel'Koz main, I'd play Vel'Koz over any of these things alone all day 😅
Hahaha, same
Nice @@LAM1895
well, you basically described Buster Odelholm and his band Humanity's Last Breath lol
@@bloody-fire damn, I didn't even know Buster was the drummer from Vildhjarta. Thanks, I'll look into it!
if velkoz is pain and suffering then i am a masochist i GENUINELY LOVE playing velkoz, i LOVE HAVING A SKILLSHOT ORIENTED CHARACTER, that looks genuinely SO FUCKING COOL HOLY SHIT GIANT EYEBALL WITH 3 TENTACLES HOLY FUUCK I LOVE VELKOZ, im genuinely SERIOUS I DONT WANT TO PLAY AUTO ATTACK BASED CHAMPION I DONT WANT TO ENGAGE I DONT WANT TO HEAL I DONT WANT TO DO ANY OF THESE THINGS I WANNA SIT IN THE BACK, CHUCK ALL MY SKILLSHOTS, DEAL 2000 TRUE DAMAGE, i genuinely FUCKING LOOOOOVVEEEE VEELKKOZZZZ
you get it brother!
GIGABASED
This was greeeeat to watch. I learned alot. I would love to see this type of stuff now and again.
50 eliminations in 20 minutes, 5 years ago we would call that silver
It's so funny to see a great player like Nemesis suffering from playing vel'koz. Now one can see how weak the champion is and how much skill you need in order to play it in high elo.
Nemesis has cat cam :Pog: Why Azzapp has no doggo cam :Madge:
i can get behind this idea
My two favorite streamers in the same video Pog
Simple, I see velkoz + Azapp = i click
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5:25 Exactly, I truly believe Yone is insane I legit wait for someone to teach me his flaws. You can outplay Yone as much as you want literally sidestep his Q and shit and yet you still get plastered when he E and beats you repeatedly with his sharp stick, impossible to outrade in E and you cannot avoid trading since it dashes the full length of the lane when he has E Q3.
Happens to me on champs like Taliyah who is supposed to counter him and still gets the stick regardless of any stuns and W hits.
"Just respect Q3" sure but in the end he decides everything like hes a tinder hot girl.
Surely sometimes you get some ruthless poke in land everything and space perfectly but 99% of the time if you dare hit him he empties his kit and flattens your healthbar
16:59 velkoz gaming
You either go dark harvest or comet on vel'koz, for first item recomended Imperian. got S+ 2 times in a row support role with teleport combo use W to apply passive than use Q for max demage and/or E for stun or R to finish it of also dont use R untill u apply pasive on enemy or it wont deal any demage, with passive R masive demage. U can deal from 600/700 all the way up to 800 demage if passiwe applied on Q with dark harvest and some items well good luck
Wow you solved the problem!
Everytime I've played vel'koz into yone I've absolutely stomped him
Playing Vel'Koz is like using a glass cannon. You can easily destroy your enemies but you can also easily get destroyed. More often than not you can't carry because you can make 100 good plays but just one bad play and it's over. So when you play this champ make sure you have reliable teammates and at least one good front liner that can take the aggro off of you.
I feel like velkoz as a champ is just obsolete.. is there anything he can do better than other champs (aka is he ever best in slot)?
would you ever pick velkoz over Syndra? all his power is in his q which you need to be surgical to hit especially during laning - his w does next to nothing for you - he is super immobile (Syndra knock-back is far superior to e and buys space easier aka can't be jumped as easy, her poke lands easier, she scales better, executes just as well)..velkoz is almost like Morgana where all the power centres around her relatively slow moving hard to hit q that can't pass through minions
its like whenever I want to go Morgana, I can just go lux instead - bind can travel through minions, higher damage output, better range
when I want to go velkoz, I can just go syndra instead
there is just no slot in which velkoz would be a better pick as a control mage, hence he is obsolete - imagine how much better you have to execute on that champ to achieve the same result
@@johnkirk1772 Well first of all he does true damage from the start of the game which no other pure mage can do except Ahri on her Q return. So he has higher damage potential early because a good chunk of his damage ignores magic resist. Second, his ult converts into true damage if you proc his passive, which simply melts tanks with high resistances like butter. Third, the Q may take precision to land but it’s unique in many ways. It splits into 2 at an angle and when it does so it disappears momentarily. So you can hit around targets, corner an opponent between the angle and terrain and add delay to have the right timing. Once I even managed to hit Yasuo through his wind wall by timing the split when it was almost on top of it by accident. So in short he has his strong points, though I agree his kit and scaling are lackluster compared to the recently released champions with crazy damage and mobility and overloaded kits.
we know his kit, doesnt make him better than for example a syndra that also does true dmg at a time she starts facing tanks and later executes@@LAM1895
I wonder if the short ranged sub second knock up long delay long cooldown has something to do with it.
nemesis knows the secret strat, give the gaming chair to your cat and use office chair, gg
It's like he says, to land those skills shots you need to position yourself in a way that makes it easier to hit the enemy. If you are against melee champs you can make them chase you and put skills shots in their path towards you. By zoning them you can make their path predictable and trap them in the angle of the Q. W is easier to hit through minions, so you can use it to stack the passive and bait them to jump on you to land the Q point blank and proc the passive at the same time, dealing massive damage. The E should be used either defensively close to you or when you are sure they can't evade it anymore.
About building Rylai's on Vel'Koz it's true you don't get as much value as other champs but I think it's still worth it for the additional bulk and the fact that your W is the easiest to land so you can apply the slow more effectively. It also synergizes well with the ult. Plus if you have Liandry's it extends the duration.
The philosophy and origin of landing skill
i might be just emerald hardstuck vel otp
but didnt he fuck his wave up again pushing 13:00?
and starting the getting zoned off cycle again?
i get that after the next wave it will be pushed further away but atleast you have 30 seconds where yone has to walk up a bit where you might get some yone hp
We dont talk too much about the mistakes of high level players, they know what they do wrong when they look at their vods the next day, and we can all tell that theyve made a mistake cause we are addicted to the content
@@ViktorLoR_Mainu i was more surprised that azzapp didnt mention it as i feel like its something that makes vel feel shitty bc you pushed a wave too early
Has he talked about Zoe before? I feel like some of these concepts definitely apply to her Paddle Star (Q) as well, but somehow I feel he will say she is easy to play lol
Zoe is super fucking hard to play because she's so unconventional. Sure, her basic (and most toxic) combo is simple to do, but going about everything (laning, positioning in team fights) is different to other mages
vel'koz is fine. just give ori and syndra real mana costs so they cant play urf from lvl 1
litherally everyone hates playing into yone but hes meta in to lanes. zed is held weakish because everyone hates to play against him. why not nerf the fucking yone w at least
I like Vel’koz, I truly like the guy, from the design to the league’s lore around him. That's why he's in my champ pool.
Pain and suffering are what comes along the way.
remember guys, nemesis forced to play velkoz on worlds beside he hate the pick. poor nemesis.
This whole game I was wondering if vel'koz is shit or if yone is just borken
Both
Also the guy between the monitor and the chair have seriously skill issue
I get the point of Nemesis but he himself chose to play Vel'Koz into Yone. It's like picking Malphite into Sylas and saying that Malphite suck (ofc it's not that extream but still)
Even then he did very well in lane plus got fed and Yone was still able to win the game by facerolling his keyboard in side lane as per usual
@@Wildcat12 yeah, but it doesn't have to do much with Vel'Koz
It's honestly not that bad, I mean, if you are not in lane with sylas its bad bc he can use your ult to gain advantage in lane, but I have played malphite vs sylas in top and you can actually outplay him most of the time.
Yes and then he also didn't use his advantages by deciding not to back a couple of times when he had tp ready, forcing him to take fights with item and hp disadvantage. Could have gone way better for him.
velkoz is pain and suffering...
...
... that's why we like it :azzaUncanny:
One must imagine Vel"koz players happy
Even me being iron player can see some crazy moves from Nemesis. You just need to know this champ before judging.
For a champ with a big eyeball he doesn't see very much
That's litreally me. seeing a dude playing Vel'koz so well and then jump in to play it and realising i'm not "HIM". but don't get me wrong i find playing Vel'koz it's fun tho
All I heard 4 mins in is Nemesis needs coaching on geometry.
like i know nemesis is good hes way better than me but it feels like he dosent uderstand vel'koz or panth cause he ults into panth e and holds it for half a second after
S+ him in Aram yesterday and I would legit be iron if I hopped into ranked….
Took me 20 minutes to notice there's a cat cam xd
I have to agree with nemesis on this where unless you just like the champ why would you intentionally pick a champ that isnt as good and is harder to play than something broken?
DANNY PHANTOM?
AIN'T NO WAY
YES
DAMNY PANGHORN
the comment on syndra w doing too much damage while velcoz no is bs. Ori w deleted champs , tf w has really good damage . Everyone besides velcoz has good w
idk how saying that ability its really hard to land it isnt just saying that i dont have the skill to land the ability. Unless ur saying that its slow there fore its hard to land but its just a line skill shot its not a voli E
4:00 auto attacks on a mage. what is this sorcery
Rylai ?...why ?
I'm scrolling, looking for the GASLIGHTING comment. Where is it?
Its simple, nemesis on Velkoz is a fucking manco (search manco in spanish :3) and thats it.
Vel koz is bad in mid, but if hes the enemy supp, hes the biggest demon out there, with the most braindead ult.
*disclaimer* unless his enemy supp is Xerath, then you cry cz his excessively long range bs is easier to land than Vel. Other than the ult, but if you're close enough to land Vel ult on Xerath he's likely close enough to interrupt it
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Holy shit. Thanks for reminding me NOT to play this champion.
The way that guy play Vel'Koz make me angry I can't finish vid because of this whiny little B
It's kinda wierd for me that many people say Vel'koz Q is hard to land. For me it's a lot easier than landing Yasuo Q. Most player have no clue how to dodge it if Vel'koz player use it properly.
Yasuo's Q and some other spells go through minions and champs. So if your target is behind you can still hit it. While with vel'koz you have to avoid the things between you and your target. That's the pleasure of playing vel'koz but it does make it harder to hit the target consistently
Weird exaggeration, but ok
Stuff like this is way different when you're trying to hit Chellenger players.
Azzapp >>> Nemesis
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Its literally a skill issue for Nemesis. He's just bad
because it is a bad champion, by every objective measure out there?
Best Velkoz player in the world here -
( Myself, not azzap or the whiner )
Velkoz is great.
End of story. And if anyone ... ANYONE in the world wants the pain, you'll get it FROM Velkoz ! MVP
ye, you'll get it from playing Vel'koz, true
Wouldnt it be funny if the VelKoz community realized they were just whining about their Champ being weak and low tier to cope like every other gamer in history? I like this guy but cut the shit. You picked a low tier character, execute and excell or shut up and accept your fate. Its kind of embarassing.
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