Excellent JOB!! I wonder how many people would go this far to bring us the vital information like this. People like you make this world so beautiful.. Thank a ton again and again for your hard work.. God Bless!!
Wow. I just have to say the Sanken is like a mix of the low end of the Tram and the high end of the Me-2 but without the piercing sibilance of the Sennheisers. I can definitely tell why it's an industry standard.
@@ChadWork1 amazing. Says a lot. I had no idea this rode lav mic version existed. I bought the Lav Go. I would have bought this if I knew. By the way, now that you're here, have you done a Rode Lav VS the Rode Lav Go?
@@blockbusterlatefees7713 no I haven’t. You might want to look into the Rode PinMic too. Sounds the same as the Lavaliere, but you pin it through clothes to hide the cable. That’s the one I use the most actually. I actually recorded a whole song using Rode lavs LOL. Search “PinMic Song” for a laugh.
just bought 2 cos 11D couldn't be happier with the outcome. They require very little manipulation to sound good. I also use MKH-416 for mic but the NTG is a great Competitor and I own a NTG-2 which is good enough for most gigs and durable as all heck
Thanks Chad... I have become frustrated in my frustrating hunt for that perfect mic. I will be creating computer training instructional videos for my subscription-based website... and want the sound of my voice to be perfectamente... thank you so much for taking the time to compare these mics... Am returning both of my Rode's and just ordered the Sanken COS11D... thanks for helping me make my training videos sound quality the best ever! Chip Rose
Hi Chad, Thanks for putting together a review. It's very nice of you. I read some older comments of you at your vimeo front, favoring the Sanken. Has that change? And if so what's the main reason if you don't mind sharing? Cheers, Stergios
Absolutely excellent comparison, where its not the quality of the preamps, but the quality of the microphones thats in focus. I'll be grabbing the Sennheiser, sounds best to my ears, with the Rode a close second. The Tram is way too dull and dead, and the Sanken is, apart from way too expensive, too hissy. Thanks!
Do you know there is a new hypercardioide microphone from Rode? It called " rode ntg8". There is not video about it on youtube and it miss lot's of information on it on the net. Do you think to have it one day?
Dear Chad, Great job. I have one suggestion when doing a shootout. It would be good to use the same spoken phrase for each mike and use a phrase that combines sibilance, "P"s, "K"s, etc. That way we would hear the same test phrase through each mike. Keep up the good work!
***** Normally I do that, but this one was so fast paced that I needed to not play the same clip for each mic. Still, there's no other lav shootout that illustrates the color of each lav in relation of the others as clearly. Any audio person should be able to hear the difference regardless of the phrase, or consonant I would think.
Like I said, it was a good job but I missed the sibilance comparisons. That is what I notice lacking in lavaliere mikes in general and a defining feature when comparing mikes of any type. It gives them "life". Your inclusion of the shotgun overhead emphasizes the point I am making regarding lav mikes in general - they lack the sibilance and ambience of any number of mikes with bigger diaphragms. This is notwithstanding the unnatural placement of lavalieres on the chest. People just don't listen to each other talk that way... I really liked that you hung all 4 of them from your shirt in basically the same place and cut between them. That was inspired.
Chad - Still impressed with full range of CO11. Do you have any arsenal of instrument mics for your guitar? I've had some flute players recommend the Countryman ISOMAX 2. Any experience with it? Shure, ElectroVoice, Senn & Samson all have uni instrument mics. Interested in your opinion if you're familiar with any of them. Thx BT
Wow great shoot out! I'm looking for lavs that will work off plug in power. Is the Rode the only mic here that will do this? How have you found that it works with the small recorders like the h1? I can't seem to find many high end mics that claim will work with an 1/8" and plug in power. Got any other suggestions?
Glad I could help. It's best if you don't have to remove noise in post. It always degrades the signal, and takes too much work. I loved your iPhone video! Way cool!
For me (in my recording studio with HR824 monitors) the winner for me is the Tram TR50. All are not bad of course and all can be EQd to sound just fine.
Mark I think you will really be happy with the Rode Lavalier. It's worth a little extra. Also you can guy a connector for anything, Sennheiser, 3.5mm, XLR, about any kind of wireless. You may not be able to appreciate the difference yet, but it IS a better mic and more versatile.
What audio compression you use? I think my voice sounds weird on youtube for some reason. I have a CAD E200 condenser mike. I hear some weird distortion online. Your voice sound better. I also use Adobe Soundbooth to do basic processing. EQ, Reverb(slight), gain and a leveler.
Thanks for this video. My 1st choice if money was no object, is the Sanken COS11D. If I look at the cost then the Rode makes sense. Cheers from Australia :)
Hi Chad, Your video was decisive to me! Thanks a lot! I've made some tests again with the ATR-3350 and used a denoiser on post. It was "acceptable" if I intend to put some background music on the videos. For sure, my next buy will be the Rode Lav. Thanks for all your time and help!!
Both are great lavs! But keep in mind that the DA04 is much less sensitive than the Rode. The DA04 is good for things like stage performances where the speakers are talking and projecting loudly, or singing. The Rode Lav is more sensitive and better for people speaking in a normal speaking level. That being said, you can increase the gain of your wireless for the DA04. On my channel, search "DA04" and "PnMic" to hear more on the individual mics. The Rode PinMic sounds exactly the same as the Rode Lav.
I have had no problems with the G3 wireless. It's the best solution for 600.00, and beats a lot of more expensive systems. Make sure you test everything out and practice with it before going to a job.
Great video, thanks. I've used Trams for over 10 years now, connected to Audio Ltd 2020s. I'm having to change my radios due to the changeover from CH69 to CH38 and was wondering about microphones. I think the COS11 is far too bright and I don't think it's as easily disguised under clothing as the Tram. The Rhode sounds nice. The ME2 - well I don't think you can complain considering the price. I think someone should design a mic capsule from material that doesn't rub against clothing.
Another good audio review Chad. How's the noise level on the Sennheiser Me-2? For e.g. the Audio-Technica ATR3350 is ok for the price, but has too much noise/hiss for my liking. I'm looking into this category for better results.
@ChadWork1 nice to read all the different opinions and preferences when choosing a microphone. I like the Rode as a good second to the Sanken COS11D. Also because used under clothes the Sanken will be best, so that will be my choice. The next step is a good portable recording system. What do you recommend? A Zoom, Tascam or a Sony digital audio recorder? Or something totally different? I first wanted a Zoom H2N, then perhaps(?) the H4N, but ..now.. I don't know anymore because of this review :p
@ChadWork1 Thanks for the quick reply Chad. I have a Sennheiser ME66 that I'll be running into a Zoom H4N as main audio. I'm setting up a lavalier into the Zoom H1 as backup on an actor. Looking for the cheapest option for a usable lavalier and having some trouble. The cheap ATR3350 sounds unusable to me with the hissing sound. The ME2 sounds better than the Rode to me here though and the price is better for the lav alone. I really like the hat tip. Very useful test.
PS< the Rode Lav is very sensitive, which is good for signal to noise ratio. Also you can buy a 3.5mm "Micon" connector for that recorder, or an XLR connector for going into professional gear.
Very good and fair comparison. Even though the mics vary in sensitivity you took care to equalize the RESULTS--and that gives a better basis for making some judgement. IMO the Rode sounds very good and compares quite well. Maybe it's loved, but the Sanken COS11D is bright and somewhat shallow and harsh to my ears. Love the sound and warmth of the TR50, and the ME-2 has a pleasing quality and good depth. If the Rode shotgun is considered to be the best sound the mic I would judge to be the worst and furthest from the Rode shotgun would definitely be the COS11D. The closest? Probably the TR50. Did I say the Rode lav acquits itself quite well?
I agree. It's 9 years later, and I still use the Rode lav or Pinmic on most shoots, unless I'm doing something for Netflix docs where they request a hidden Sanken COS11D hidden under the clothes.
@@ChadWork1 Oh, yes, I forgot to say I've been listening to a lot of lav tests and IMO your videos are the best of the bunch. Thanks so much!! I have the Rode that came with the filmmaker kit, and a Sennheiser ME-2 (like the depth and warmth--though it doesn't seem as hot as the kit Rode lav). After listening to your tests and a few others over and over...I've also ordered a Tram TR50...very warm, inviting sound. I hope I won't be disappointed.
Hi Ben, I recommend the Rode lav. You can by different Micon adapters for whatever wireless unit you use, or 3.5mm for small recorders, or an XLR too. They are even coming out with a Micon that allows you to use the lav with your iPhone. Also for 60.00 they now have the SmartLav which is designed to use with an iPhone, so you can just put an iPhone in the groom's pocket, and after Christmas they, I believe, will have adapters to use that mic with other gear.
Great post... I must have the terrible luck with Rode lavs... I love the mic but had to return two to amazon, first one just would not work, then the second one worked for 6months and just stopped (in between that the clip broke), thankfully I always carry a cheap backup. Am now wary of the Rode lav even though I really like it, I think I might go for the Tram (dont like the sound of the Sanken or Senheiser).
The Sanken wins hands-down. The Tram is a close second. The ME2 and the Røde have exaggerated, artificial sounding high end. I've been using Trams and Sankens for many years. Thanks for the shootout. Glad to know I made the right choice.
I think the Sanken has a hyped high end. That's why it's a good choice for putting under clothes. Out in the open I think the Rode has a more flat response.
It's crazy how sound is so subjective. I actually felt the Sanken sounded horrible. The Rode had a nice bassy tone to the sound but had a lot of self-noise. The Tram felt muffled so it's not in consideration. The Sanken sounded horrible imho as it picks up a lot of the reverb in the room. The ME2 actually sounded the best and it sounds comparable even to the NTG3 shotgun mic.
Hi, I was going through wireless units and into my MoTu Traveler audio interface, and recording into Cubase. I had to do it that way because that's the only way I could record 4 inputs at the same time using the same methods. I have an EX1 camea and recording straight into that is a dream. I suggest a Sennheiser G3 wireless unit. They sound great and can boost your gain if your camera has a crappy preamp. You won't tell the difference between direct and wireless, and they can go into anything.
I first got the COS11D for 400.00, then the Rode Lav at 230.00. I use the Rode Lav and now the Rode PinMic the most. They both sound exactly the same. The COS11D is nice but a little too bright for me. The Rode sounds nice and balanced to my ears. I have a "PinMic Review" on my Audio / Video Gear reviews playlist. Also a whole "PinMic Song" recorded only with Rode lavs.
Really? That's the worst mic. They give you the ME-2 for free when you buy the Sennheiser G3 wireless. You are supposed to realize how much better the real lavs sound compared to that. Do yourself a favor and get the Rode lav. Audio is 70% of video, and I encourage everyone to not cheap out on it.
Chad Johnson From this video I liked the Sennheiser. If I absolutely don't like it when I finally have it, I will switch it for the Rode lavalier. I see that the Sennheiser is from 2000 and the Rode from 2010. Maybe that's why it's so much better. One question, what audio device did you use to record the sound from the lavaliers? I want to plug it into my Sony Camcorder. Hopefully there's not too much backnoise or I have to buy a better audio recorder...
***** I was using wireless devices to make this video. For your Information, the ME-2 has a connector for the Sennheiser wireless. It will not work with your camcorder. With the Rode Lav, you can my different "Micon" connectors for different devices. So for your camcorder you would get the 3.5mm "Micon2" connector. They go for about 18.00 US.
My colleague just bought a couple of (refurbed) Sennie EW100 G-3 setups for location shooting. One came with the EM2, the other with the EM4. I'm at a loss to find any actual specs for these mics from Sennheiser's site. I've use the EM2s in other applications, but not the EM4. I don't particularly care for it, on cursory exam. I understand the 2 is omni and the 4 is a cardioid, but just putting them both on like you did, the EM2 just sounds...better. Outside, the difference was even worse.
Utkarsh, you have not told me what camera you use. Some cameras sound great, and some do not. Recording into the computer depends on the audio interface you use, so I can't tell you if that is better than recording into a portable recorder. You have to name all the gear you use in your signal chain. If you record straight into your computer then you lose portability. Do you need portability? There's a new product coming that's perfect. At B&H search "Tascam DR-60D" for 350.00
I've always found the TRAM quite a bright mic (and therefore great to hide underneath clothing) but on this test it sounds quite muffled somehow. A previous comment suggested you may have it facing your chest but this shouldnt really make a huge difference IMO. Maybe it's just that all the other mic's are super bright in comparision!
Yes, the DPA 4060 / 4061 is a great microphone! I use them all of the time (I own 10 of them), they are very natural sounding, extremely small (really a lot smaller then all microphones in this video) and cabling noise is minimal.
No, I actually mean the old NT-2, which I've had in my kit since the 90s. I'm an old live soundo who breaks all the rules. I started using this mic for choirs some years ago -- of course you have to be very accurate on your third-octave graphics to avoid feedback. So I tried it just out-of-shot mounted on a mic stand for a couple of videos that featured cafe type scenes, with it switched to cardioid pattern. Only good for indoors, of course.
It's hard to say. To my ears the ME-2 sounds thin, and for lack of a better word, plasticy. You get it free when you buy the G3 wireless. I'm over it! I find the COS11D to be very sensitive, and also bright, but with a nicer body. I find myself going to the Rode lavs the most. I like the balanced highs and lows. People often go for the brighter mic in a shootout, but you want that body too. COS11D is great for hiding under clothes because it cut's through, but I use the PinMic the most.
You mention when you used the Sennheiser ME-2 that you stopped using it when you upgraded to something much more expensive, out of curiosity, which mic would that be?
Great test, the Rode sounded great. I've actually got a Rode NT2 studio mic, which is awesome as an overhead mic for video -- gives that full motion picture sound. Getting back to the test, of course these mics will be different with female voices, which are the hardest to mix because of the high-mids.
This has to be the easiest comparison I've seen. I really liked the part where you switched channels from mic to mic at around 4 minutes into the video.
Hi, The rode micis pluggeed directly into the camera or are you using an external recorder? Would you sugggest pluging the output of mic direcltly in the camera vs using an ext recoredr like zoom h2 vs into the computer suing some software?
@ChadWork1 Hey Chad - yeah, i did it at 720p, but i figured that the ME-2 isn't compatible with the Zoom H1 which i'm planning on using, so im jumping on the Rode wagon instead. It just got in stock in Denmark, where i live, so i'm off to purchase a whole lot of nice audio gear. Thanks for the shootout!
There is a method of wrapping mole skin around the mic to prevent it from making sound from clothes. I haven't done it, but you can find out about it in forums, maybe a YT video. Then you put a loop (using tape) in the wire near the mic to decouple it from handling noise in the cable. Also try to have the person wear cotton rather than silk or some other unnatural fiber.
Hi Chad, Great review. I have a Rode NTG4+ and need to get a Lav that will cut with it. I need the mic primarily for narrative work. Would you go Sank or Rod Lav?
If you are hiding the lav under clothes, then I suppose the Sanken would be better, as it's so bright, most likely designed to cut through clothes. Having said that, I prefer the sound of the Rode Lav and PinMic. I have both Sanken and Rode and the Sanken rarely gets used, though hiding the mic isn't as imperative in the work I do. The PinMic hides well enough for the kind of sit-down interviews I often do.
Chad, i need you advise, i can't decide between Sony UWP-V1 and Sennheiser EW112-p G3 system. Both are very similar, Sony a bit cheaper at B&H. I was thinking to go with Sony UWP and then buy Rod Lavalier. As I am thinking that both systems are almost identical, but getting a better sound from them will be only upgrading to a better lavalier microphones. If you have any thoughts, please help...
I like the way sennheiser sounded. Bright real high end compared to lower bright high of Sanken COS-11D, Rode came lower hi than sennheiser but acheive low end better than sennheiser.
Great review! So, I know this much, I don't like the Tram at all, and the Sanken was my favorite Lavalier, however, it looks like I'm now definitely interested in getting the Rode Shotgun Mic! Thanks again Chad!
I looked at the Specs of the Sony alpha 37 on the B&H site, and that camera has no audio input. And it can only record for 29 minutes. So I hope you have short lessons! I think a simple solution would be to get maybe a Zoom H1 and put it in your pocket. A Sony M10 would be much nicer recorder though.
The ME-2 has a proprietary connection designed for the Sennheiser G3 transmitter. The guy that sold it to you lied and sold you the wrong mic for your purposes. And your computer does not supply "plug-in power", which this mic needs.
Hi Chad, Thanks for the shootout! I've bought a ATR3350 and it's useless. Too much hiss. I loved your comparison. After my wrong choice, i'm seeking for a more sensitive mic, as I will connect into a Zoom H2, in a first moment. You said Rode Lav was the winner, but It seemed to me the most noisier in high frequencies. Am I wrong?
For DSLR cameras, yes a good portable recorder has better sound. If you want XLR connection then a Zoom H4n or a Tascam DR-100 will work (Tascam is better). If you just need 3.5mm connection the Sony M10 or Zoom H1 are good. The Sony is a lot better than the zoom of course. Research those recorders.
Good video but what about feedback rejection in the live events market? The Sanken sounds quite nice but would end up to thin and papery once EQ'd for a PA system.
Thanks a lot ! been wondering about those mics and couldn't pick up my mind on wich to use, the idea how it cuts with a boom is brilliant, Loved that ! going to subscribe hoping to get more good juice in the future :D
Thanks for your videos Chad. I really enjoy them. I have a question for you, if you don't mind. Can a Sennheiser ME2 and ME4 be plugged directly into a Canon video camera or are they for wireless devices only? I am using the AudioTechnica 3350 now and for obvious reason's I am looking for something better. A few hundred dollars seems like the right price, without going to the high end options. Thanks again for the information.
Don't ever use an ME4. The sound like crap and are only for extremely noisy environments. The ME2 is pretty bad too, and both of thiose have a jack that is a 3.5mm, but it's got the screw on it to attach to the transmitter. I think the best sounding one of the bunch here, and my vaforite lav is the Rode Lavaliere. I think it's 230.00. But it comes free when you buy their RodeLink wireless for 400.00. Anyway, the Rode lav (and the PinMic which sounds exactly the same) have multiple connectors (sole separately). They have a 3.5mm one (Micon 2) for recorders or DSLRs input. You can also buy an XLR Micon or one for any wireless unit. That's valuable because most lavs come hard wired for one thing. So check out the Rode Lavalier and all the Micon connectors. I have both the lav and PinMic. The PinMic is a great choice when you want it to not show too easily. But if you only get one lav, start with the Regular Lavaliere because the PinMic doesn't work on everything. I have a PInMic review on my channel too. ua-cam.com/video/AGhJvC66kDA/v-deo.html
Thanks you for this, Chad. It really helps. I did not think the Rode or higher end mics would be compatible with a lower end video camera like the Canon vixia hf r500. It has a stereo input so I thought I could not plug in directly to the camera. I have the zoom h4n but the lavs I have tried so for (audiotech3350 and SennME2) sound terrible through it and terrible when I plug directly into the camera. I don't want to have to buy another zoom just for the mic. I was considering the ME4. You helped me dodge a bullet! It will be for indoor recording of training videos so finding the right lapel mic is important. Figuring this out is not as easy as it looks so I appreciate you taking the time.
If you don't get a good sound with the Rode Lav, then you're doing something else wrong. If you are recording directly into the camera, do not use Auto. Set the levels manually. Auto will push up the level the quieter you speak, or are silent, then that pushes up the noise level and it's just not the correct way. If you are singing then make sure the level is lower so you don't distort. Really, of you are talking on camera, I think it's worth it to spring for the RodeLink wireless. It's such a bargain if you are going to buy the Lav anyway, and then you aren't tethered to a cable. Audio is the most important thing about video!
Thanks again Chad. The only high end mic I tried is the Line6, which only came out of one speaker. It may be mono, I don't know for sure. Rode is a great name and you cannot go wrong with their products so the Rode is what I will be getting based on your recommendation and info in your videos that I have watched. Have tinkered around a bit with my camera setting too. That should do the trick!
Well, the ME-2 comes free when you buy the Sennheider G3 systems, and it's OK, not noisy, just cheap sounding. he Rode is very quiet and IMO the winner of this shootout.
Thank you Chad! I brought back the sanken and I will use the money for the rode ntg3.... Maybe in the future I will add the lavalier. I dont have the budget but I am very intersting in sanken shotghun it seems has a great sound.
A&V PROJECT Remember though that the lav mic can move with your subject. If your subject is moving then you need a boom operator with the shotgun to keep the mic 18" from the mouth of the speaker. It's fine if they are sitting. One mic per person. Also, for indoor dialog a hypercardioid is a better mic. Like the AT4053b. Shotguns are designed for outdoor dialog. Read up on that.
HI Chad, did you find the Sanken to have a lot of cable noise. I use the Sanken on the zoom H6 with the Sony UWP-d11 and been having issues with cable noise.
So each mic was going thru a g3 wireless system? The SankenCos11 did not sound nice on the S sounds, it was like it was boosted too much in the highs and was mushy-slushy. The ME2 and the Rode sounded surprisingly natural!
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated! I'm looking at getting a whole transmitter kit and the G3 stands out, especially since that's what you used and as you've said previously, you get a free ME-2 with it, how has your experience with the G3 been? I like how it's made of metal for durability as I plan to use it in a particularly rough situation.
HI Chad... Sorry for not mentioning my signal chain... I aM A maths faculty and want to record my lectures to upload on youtube.. I am using a Sony alpha 37 camera (mounted on a tripod 5ft away).. I am purchasing a RODE lavalier mic.. the one you used in the video. .. The computer is also nearby.. So I can record into it... If I plug the output of mic directly into the camera, willl I loose some audio quality? because that way I dont need to sync audio seperatly..
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Great job comparing these mics! Thanks. Were the mics connected to preamps directly or by using wireless transmitters? I've been wondering if I could use the Rode Lavalier connected directly to the preamp of an digital audio interface.
***** The mics were connects using wireless units, but you can buy an XLR adapter for the Rode Lavaliere to run it directly to your audio interface, or camera. You need phantom power though. It's called the Micon-5
Sony recorders have the best pres, and overall construction out of the choices listed. You can get an XLR input that goes with the Sony D-50, but that is an additional 500.00. So if you are going to spend 1,000.00 you may as well get the awesome 6 input Tascam DR-680 for 600.00. All in all you have to read the specs of all these recorders and decide for yourself. For instance, the Sonys have a dial to adjust levels - that is big for me. It may not be for you. Look up video reviews on YT too.
Hi Chad. Im currently looking on a low budget for some audio equipment to record a wedding ceremony (and speeches). I was considering coupling up the Sennheiser Me2 with the zoom h1 would you recommend this or another configuration. Out of curiosity if I was able to increase my budget would you recommend coupling the Tram TR50 With the Zoom HR4 Thanks
Hey there, I was wondering if you could recommend me a wireless device to use along side with the Rode Lavalier Mic (A list of things to get with it would be nice!
Hi again Chad, If I am buying a Zoom H1, then do I need the Rode lavalier? I mean can’t I just put the zoon h1 in my shirt pocket and do my reordings?? or will that increast the noise in my audio?
If I would buy two COS11D microphones. Then I don’t need the microphone(s) on a Tascam. Are there other good portable digital recorders without microphones with XLR (or mini jack) input I should investigate? Also is it possible to buy a COS11D that both can be connected to an external Phantom Power supply and if more freedom of movement is required work with battery power and a wireless transmitter? What wireless transmitter would you suggest? I don’t need an Sennheiser ME microphone... ;-)
Thanks for the video! I am trying the rod lav with a tascam recorder. However the sound isn't as full as yours. Did you do any post work with the sound?
No post work on the lav recordings. If anything I only adjusted the volume levels in post. I was going through wireless units, and into my MOTU Traveler audio interface. Wireless packs like the Sennheiser G3 can help boost your signal so your not letting the recorder's preamps do all the heavy lifting. If you get hiss, you may try turning the gain level up to high (I think there is a Low/Med/High switch somewhere?) and try to keep your level dialed between 50-75%. Beyond that you can be adding noise. But if you turn up in post, you don't introduce any new noise.
@ChadWork1 I dunno. There's another UA-cam vid that compares the ME2 with a Sanken on a Lectrosonics system and it compares very favorably, especially for the price. Certainly a more expensive lav will sound better, but for the price it doesn't seem like the ME2 could be beat. In fact, in this video the ME2 sounds best to me.
The only option to look at is the Sennheiser G3 wireless. Anything cheaper has lots of drop outs ans static, and anything better will cost over 1,000..00. They go for 600.00.
A lav is a completely different beast than a shotgun or a hyper. A lab is on your chest, usually around a foot away from the mouth. So your body will block many reflections. But if you're in a very live room, you will still hear reflections. Still labs usually sound great and more consistent than a boomed mic because they are always the same distance from the mouth.
So, Chad, if the budget is aroun 600 $ what do you suggest to buy a rode ntg3 or a sanken cos11? Usually I recording video by myself, reviews etc , or interviews....sometimes voiceover...but for now any wedding, parties or thing like these.
A&V PROJECT I'd say go for a Rode Lav. it hs 150.00 cheaper, and you have the ability to buy different connectors like XLR, or Sennheiser Wireless, or 3.5mm for portable recorders. There is no one mic for everything. I would say for a complete set that covers everything to get a shotgun (NTG-2 or NTG-3), a hypercardioid (AT4053b) and a wireless system like the GH3, but with a good lav. Anyway, with the Rode lab you can use it anyway you need with the right connector. I could not use that for VO though.
If you are worried about size, what lav mic would you say is the best quality at a reasonable price? I really like the sound of the Sankin but it is too expensive for me.
The quick cuts between the different mics are FANTASTIC for hearing the differences before you get used to them, good job with this video!
Excellent JOB!! I wonder how many people would go this far to bring us the
vital information like this. People like you make this world so beautiful.. Thank a ton again and again for your hard work.. God Bless!!
Lavin Morar Thanks a lot Lavin! Hey you have "Lav" in your name! You must be a good sound man.
Wow. I just have to say the Sanken is like a mix of the low end of the Tram and the high end of the Me-2 but without the piercing sibilance of the Sennheisers. I can definitely tell why it's an industry standard.
Still relevant and helpful 11 years later, thanks!
I’m still using the RØDE Lav mostly.
@@ChadWork1 amazing. Says a lot. I had no idea this rode lav mic version existed. I bought the Lav Go. I would have bought this if I knew. By the way, now that you're here, have you done a Rode Lav VS the Rode Lav Go?
@@blockbusterlatefees7713 no I haven’t. You might want to look into the Rode PinMic too. Sounds the same as the Lavaliere, but you pin it through clothes to hide the cable. That’s the one I use the most actually. I actually recorded a whole song using Rode lavs LOL. Search “PinMic Song” for a laugh.
@@ChadWork1 now that would be a video comparison I would love to see!
Oh nice I'll take a look
just bought 2 cos 11D couldn't be happier with the outcome. They require very little manipulation to sound good. I also use MKH-416 for mic but the NTG is a great Competitor and I own a NTG-2 which is good enough for most gigs and durable as all heck
Thanks Chad... I have become frustrated in my frustrating hunt for that perfect mic. I will be creating computer training instructional videos for my subscription-based website... and want the sound of my voice to be perfectamente... thank you so much for taking the time to compare these mics... Am returning both of my Rode's and just ordered the Sanken COS11D... thanks for helping me make my training videos sound quality the best ever! Chip Rose
Computer Tutor TV Glad I cold help you make a decision!
Super helpful comparison 🤙🏽
Hi Chad,
Thanks for putting together a review. It's very nice of you.
I read some older comments of you at your vimeo front, favoring the Sanken. Has that change? And if so what's the main reason if you don't mind sharing?
Cheers,
Stergios
I've settled on the Rode lav over the COS11D. I find the COS is a tad too bright, but that's good of you're mounting under clothes.
Absolutely excellent comparison, where its not the quality of the preamps, but the quality of the microphones thats in focus. I'll be grabbing the Sennheiser, sounds best to my ears, with the Rode a close second. The Tram is way too dull and dead, and the Sanken is, apart from way too expensive, too hissy. Thanks!
Do you know there is a new hypercardioide microphone from Rode? It called " rode ntg8". There is not video about it on youtube and it miss lot's of information on it on the net. Do you think to have it one day?
Brilliant test! Thanks! Very helpful!
Dear Chad,
Great job. I have one suggestion when doing a shootout. It would be good to use the same spoken phrase for each mike and use a phrase that combines sibilance, "P"s, "K"s, etc. That way we would hear the same test phrase through each mike.
Keep up the good work!
***** Normally I do that, but this one was so fast paced that I needed to not play the same clip for each mic. Still, there's no other lav shootout that illustrates the color of each lav in relation of the others as clearly. Any audio person should be able to hear the difference regardless of the phrase, or consonant I would think.
Like I said, it was a good job but I missed the sibilance comparisons. That is what I notice lacking in lavaliere mikes in general and a defining feature when comparing mikes of any type. It gives them "life". Your inclusion of the shotgun overhead emphasizes the point I am making regarding lav mikes in general - they lack the sibilance and ambience of any number of mikes with bigger diaphragms. This is notwithstanding the unnatural placement of lavalieres on the chest. People just don't listen to each other talk that way...
I really liked that you hung all 4 of them from your shirt in basically the same place and cut between them. That was inspired.
Chad - Still impressed with full range of CO11. Do you have any arsenal of instrument mics for your guitar? I've had some flute players recommend the Countryman ISOMAX 2. Any experience with it? Shure, ElectroVoice, Senn & Samson all have uni instrument mics. Interested in your opinion if you're familiar with any of them. Thx BT
Wow great shoot out! I'm looking for lavs that will work off plug in power. Is the Rode the only mic here that will do this? How have you found that it works with the small recorders like the h1? I can't seem to find many high end mics that claim will work with an 1/8" and plug in power. Got any other suggestions?
Glad I could help. It's best if you don't have to remove noise in post. It always degrades the signal, and takes too much work. I loved your iPhone video! Way cool!
For me (in my recording studio with HR824 monitors) the winner for me is the Tram TR50.
All are not bad of course and all can be EQd to sound just fine.
Mark I think you will really be happy with the Rode Lavalier. It's worth a little extra. Also you can guy a connector for anything, Sennheiser, 3.5mm, XLR, about any kind of wireless. You may not be able to appreciate the difference yet, but it IS a better mic and more versatile.
What audio compression you use? I think my voice sounds weird on youtube for some reason. I have a CAD E200 condenser mike. I hear some weird distortion online. Your voice sound better. I also use Adobe Soundbooth to do basic processing. EQ, Reverb(slight), gain and a leveler.
Thanks for this video. My 1st choice if money was no object, is the Sanken COS11D. If I look at the cost then the Rode makes sense. Cheers from Australia :)
Thanks! They are "Rycote Undercovers" they are only so so, but cheap so try them.
Hi Chad,
Your video was decisive to me! Thanks a lot!
I've made some tests again with the ATR-3350 and used a denoiser on post. It was "acceptable" if I intend to put some background music on the videos.
For sure, my next buy will be the Rode Lav. Thanks for all your time and help!!
Thanks Chad. I really appreciate your response.
Hi Chad , Great video , but im having trouble choosing between the Que DA04 and Rode Lav , which one do you recommend ?
Both are great lavs! But keep in mind that the DA04 is much less sensitive than the Rode. The DA04 is good for things like stage performances where the speakers are talking and projecting loudly, or singing. The Rode Lav is more sensitive and better for people speaking in a normal speaking level. That being said, you can increase the gain of your wireless for the DA04. On my channel, search "DA04" and "PnMic" to hear more on the individual mics. The Rode PinMic sounds exactly the same as the Rode Lav.
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I have had no problems with the G3 wireless. It's the best solution for 600.00, and beats a lot of more expensive systems. Make sure you test everything out and practice with it before going to a job.
Great comparison. Thanks.
Great video, thanks. I've used Trams for over 10 years now, connected to Audio Ltd 2020s. I'm having to change my radios due to the changeover from CH69 to CH38 and was wondering about microphones.
I think the COS11 is far too bright and I don't think it's as easily disguised under clothing as the Tram. The Rhode sounds nice. The ME2 - well I don't think you can complain considering the price.
I think someone should design a mic capsule from material that doesn't rub against clothing.
Another good audio review Chad. How's the noise level on the Sennheiser Me-2? For e.g. the Audio-Technica ATR3350 is ok for the price, but has too much noise/hiss for my liking. I'm looking into this category for better results.
Thanks! I'm going with the Rode Lav.
@ChadWork1 nice to read all the different opinions and preferences when choosing a microphone. I like the Rode as a good second to the Sanken COS11D. Also because used under clothes the Sanken will be best, so that will be my choice. The next step is a good portable recording system. What do you recommend? A Zoom, Tascam or a Sony digital audio recorder? Or something totally different? I first wanted a Zoom H2N, then perhaps(?) the H4N, but ..now.. I don't know anymore because of this review :p
@ChadWork1 Thanks for the quick reply Chad. I have a Sennheiser ME66 that I'll be running into a Zoom H4N as main audio. I'm setting up a lavalier into the Zoom H1 as backup on an actor. Looking for the cheapest option for a usable lavalier and having some trouble. The cheap ATR3350 sounds unusable to me with the hissing sound. The ME2 sounds better than the Rode to me here though and the price is better for the lav alone. I really like the hat tip. Very useful test.
PS< the Rode Lav is very sensitive, which is good for signal to noise ratio. Also you can buy a 3.5mm "Micon" connector for that recorder, or an XLR connector for going into professional gear.
Very good and fair comparison. Even though the mics vary in sensitivity you took care to equalize the RESULTS--and that gives a better basis for making some judgement.
IMO the Rode sounds very good and compares quite well. Maybe it's loved, but the Sanken COS11D is bright and somewhat shallow and harsh to my ears. Love the sound and warmth of the TR50, and the ME-2 has a pleasing quality and good depth. If the Rode shotgun is considered to be the best sound the mic I would judge to be the worst and furthest from the Rode shotgun would definitely be the COS11D. The closest? Probably the TR50. Did I say the Rode lav acquits itself quite well?
I agree. It's 9 years later, and I still use the Rode lav or Pinmic on most shoots, unless I'm doing something for Netflix docs where they request a hidden Sanken COS11D hidden under the clothes.
@@ChadWork1 Oh, yes, I forgot to say I've been listening to a lot of lav tests and IMO your videos are the best of the bunch. Thanks so much!!
I have the Rode that came with the filmmaker kit, and a Sennheiser ME-2 (like the depth and warmth--though it doesn't seem as hot as the kit Rode lav).
After listening to your tests and a few others over and over...I've also ordered a Tram TR50...very warm, inviting sound. I hope I won't be disappointed.
Hi Ben, I recommend the Rode lav. You can by different Micon adapters for whatever wireless unit you use, or 3.5mm for small recorders, or an XLR too. They are even coming out with a Micon that allows you to use the lav with your iPhone. Also for 60.00 they now have the SmartLav which is designed to use with an iPhone, so you can just put an iPhone in the groom's pocket, and after Christmas they, I believe, will have adapters to use that mic with other gear.
Great post... I must have the terrible luck with Rode lavs... I love the mic but had to return two to amazon, first one just would not work, then the second one worked for 6months and just stopped (in between that the clip broke), thankfully I always carry a cheap backup. Am now wary of the Rode lav even though I really like it, I think I might go for the Tram (dont like the sound of the Sanken or Senheiser).
CHAD!!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS! It really helped to solidify my choice of still going with the RØDE Lavalier to go with my RØDE NTG-3.
I think Sanken COS-11d a little bit harsh high-end. to my ear Rode Lavalier and Sennheiser very sounded good to me.
That was awesome. Thanks.
The Sanken wins hands-down. The Tram is a close second. The ME2 and the Røde have exaggerated, artificial sounding high end. I've been using Trams and Sankens for many years. Thanks for the shootout. Glad to know I made the right choice.
I think the Sanken has a hyped high end. That's why it's a good choice for putting under clothes. Out in the open I think the Rode has a more flat response.
It's crazy how sound is so subjective. I actually felt the Sanken sounded horrible. The Rode had a nice bassy tone to the sound but had a lot of self-noise. The Tram felt muffled so it's not in consideration. The Sanken sounded horrible imho as it picks up a lot of the reverb in the room. The ME2 actually sounded the best and it sounds comparable even to the NTG3 shotgun mic.
Thanks! I wanted to do this for that very reason. I wanted to be able to hear the actual differences between the lavs.
Hi, I was going through wireless units and into my MoTu Traveler audio interface, and recording into Cubase. I had to do it that way because that's the only way I could record 4 inputs at the same time using the same methods. I have an EX1 camea and recording straight into that is a dream. I suggest a Sennheiser G3 wireless unit. They sound great and can boost your gain if your camera has a crappy preamp. You won't tell the difference between direct and wireless, and they can go into anything.
I first got the COS11D for 400.00, then the Rode Lav at 230.00. I use the Rode Lav and now the Rode PinMic the most. They both sound exactly the same. The COS11D is nice but a little too bright for me. The Rode sounds nice and balanced to my ears. I have a "PinMic Review" on my Audio / Video Gear reviews playlist. Also a whole "PinMic Song" recorded only with Rode lavs.
Thank you for this video. Ordered a Sennheiser ME-2. :)
Really? That's the worst mic. They give you the ME-2 for free when you buy the Sennheiser G3 wireless. You are supposed to realize how much better the real lavs sound compared to that. Do yourself a favor and get the Rode lav. Audio is 70% of video, and I encourage everyone to not cheap out on it.
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From this video I liked the Sennheiser. If I absolutely don't like it when I finally have it, I will switch it for the Rode lavalier. I see that the Sennheiser is from 2000 and the Rode from 2010. Maybe that's why it's so much better.
One question, what audio device did you use to record the sound from the lavaliers? I want to plug it into my Sony Camcorder. Hopefully there's not too much backnoise or I have to buy a better audio recorder...
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I was using wireless devices to make this video. For your Information, the ME-2 has a connector for the Sennheiser wireless. It will not work with your camcorder. With the Rode Lav, you can my different "Micon" connectors for different devices. So for your camcorder you would get the 3.5mm "Micon2" connector. They go for about 18.00 US.
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Thanks. Will switch the Sennheiser for the Rode then. No problem. :)
@@majormassenspektrometer I'm with you, the Sennheiser sounds seriously good. Far better than the Tram.
I agree about the COS11D harshness! I like the Rode best in this shootout.
My colleague just bought a couple of (refurbed) Sennie EW100 G-3 setups for location shooting. One came with the EM2, the other with the EM4. I'm at a loss to find any actual specs for these mics from Sennheiser's site. I've use the EM2s in other applications, but not the EM4. I don't particularly care for it, on cursory exam. I understand the 2 is omni and the 4 is a cardioid, but just putting them both on like you did, the EM2 just sounds...better. Outside, the difference was even worse.
Quite impressed by Sanken COS11D results!
Thanks for watching! Glad I could help.
Utkarsh, you have not told me what camera you use. Some cameras sound great, and some do not. Recording into the computer depends on the audio interface you use, so I can't tell you if that is better than recording into a portable recorder. You have to name all the gear you use in your signal chain. If you record straight into your computer then you lose portability. Do you need portability? There's a new product coming that's perfect. At B&H search "Tascam DR-60D" for 350.00
I've always found the TRAM quite a bright mic (and therefore great to hide underneath clothing) but on this test it sounds quite muffled somehow. A previous comment suggested you may have it facing your chest but this shouldnt really make a huge difference IMO. Maybe it's just that all the other mic's are super bright in comparision!
The Sanken sounds like the Tram with a bit more top. I love them both!
Yes, the DPA 4060 / 4061 is a great microphone! I use them all of the time (I own 10 of them), they are very natural sounding, extremely small (really a lot smaller then all microphones in this video) and cabling noise is minimal.
No, I actually mean the old NT-2, which I've had in my kit since the 90s. I'm an old live soundo who breaks all the rules. I started using this mic for choirs some years ago -- of course you have to be very accurate on your third-octave graphics to avoid feedback. So I tried it just out-of-shot mounted on a mic stand for a couple of videos that featured cafe type scenes, with it switched to cardioid pattern. Only good for indoors, of course.
It's hard to say. To my ears the ME-2 sounds thin, and for lack of a better word, plasticy. You get it free when you buy the G3 wireless. I'm over it! I find the COS11D to be very sensitive, and also bright, but with a nicer body. I find myself going to the Rode lavs the most. I like the balanced highs and lows. People often go for the brighter mic in a shootout, but you want that body too. COS11D is great for hiding under clothes because it cut's through, but I use the PinMic the most.
You mention when you used the Sennheiser ME-2 that you stopped using it when you upgraded to something much more expensive, out of curiosity, which mic would that be?
Great test, the Rode sounded great. I've actually got a Rode NT2 studio mic, which is awesome as an overhead mic for video -- gives that full motion picture sound. Getting back to the test, of course these mics will be different with female voices, which are the hardest to mix because of the high-mids.
This has to be the easiest comparison I've seen.
I really liked the part where you switched channels from mic to mic at around 4 minutes into the video.
Hi, The rode micis pluggeed directly into the camera or are you using an external recorder? Would you sugggest pluging the output of mic direcltly in the camera vs using an ext recoredr like zoom h2 vs into the computer suing some software?
@ChadWork1 Hey Chad - yeah, i did it at 720p, but i figured that the ME-2 isn't compatible with the Zoom H1 which i'm planning on using, so im jumping on the Rode wagon instead. It just got in stock in Denmark, where i live, so i'm off to purchase a whole lot of nice audio gear. Thanks for the shootout!
There is a method of wrapping mole skin around the mic to prevent it from making sound from clothes. I haven't done it, but you can find out about it in forums, maybe a YT video. Then you put a loop (using tape) in the wire near the mic to decouple it from handling noise in the cable. Also try to have the person wear cotton rather than silk or some other unnatural fiber.
Great work, thanks for your time in doing this for us that are looking for mics.
Hi Chad, Great review. I have a Rode NTG4+ and need to get a Lav that will cut with it. I need the mic primarily for narrative work. Would you go Sank or Rod Lav?
If you are hiding the lav under clothes, then I suppose the Sanken would be better, as it's so bright, most likely designed to cut through clothes. Having said that, I prefer the sound of the Rode Lav and PinMic. I have both Sanken and Rode and the Sanken rarely gets used, though hiding the mic isn't as imperative in the work I do. The PinMic hides well enough for the kind of sit-down interviews I often do.
Very well done and very useful, thanks.
My fave is the Rode Lav.
Chad, i need you advise, i can't decide between Sony UWP-V1 and Sennheiser EW112-p G3 system. Both are very similar, Sony a bit cheaper at B&H. I was thinking to go with Sony UWP and then buy Rod Lavalier. As I am thinking that both systems are almost identical, but getting a better sound from them will be only upgrading to a better lavalier microphones. If you have any thoughts, please help...
I like the way sennheiser sounded. Bright real high end compared to lower bright high of Sanken COS-11D, Rode came lower hi than sennheiser but acheive low end better than sennheiser.
Great review! So, I know this much, I don't like the Tram at all, and the Sanken was my favorite Lavalier, however, it looks like I'm now definitely interested in getting the Rode Shotgun Mic!
Thanks again Chad!
I looked at the Specs of the Sony alpha 37 on the B&H site, and that camera has no audio input. And it can only record for 29 minutes. So I hope you have short lessons! I think a simple solution would be to get maybe a Zoom H1 and put it in your pocket. A Sony M10 would be much nicer recorder though.
Great Video...!!!!! I wasn't shure which one to get... now I know!!..... I wish someone show me how to reduce noise in post production.
Thanks! Glad you liked it.
The ME-2 has a proprietary connection designed for the Sennheiser G3 transmitter. The guy that sold it to you lied and sold you the wrong mic for your purposes. And your computer does not supply "plug-in power", which this mic needs.
Extremely informative video and a pleasure to watch and listen, thankyou Chad.
Hi Chad,
Thanks for the shootout!
I've bought a ATR3350 and it's useless. Too much hiss.
I loved your comparison. After my wrong choice, i'm seeking for a more sensitive mic, as I will connect into a Zoom H2, in a first moment.
You said Rode Lav was the winner, but It seemed to me the most noisier in high frequencies. Am I wrong?
For DSLR cameras, yes a good portable recorder has better sound. If you want XLR connection then a Zoom H4n or a Tascam DR-100 will work (Tascam is better). If you just need 3.5mm connection the Sony M10 or Zoom H1 are good. The Sony is a lot better than the zoom of course. Research those recorders.
Good video but what about feedback rejection in the live events market?
The Sanken sounds quite nice but would end up to thin and papery once EQ'd for a PA system.
Thanks a lot ! been wondering about those mics and couldn't pick up my mind on wich to use, the idea how it cuts with a boom is brilliant, Loved that !
going to subscribe hoping to get more good juice in the future :D
Thanks for your videos Chad. I really enjoy them. I have a question for you, if you don't mind. Can a Sennheiser ME2 and ME4 be plugged directly into a Canon video camera or are they for wireless devices only? I am using the AudioTechnica 3350 now and for obvious reason's I am looking for something better. A few hundred dollars seems like the right price, without going to the high end options. Thanks again for the information.
Don't ever use an ME4. The sound like crap and are only for extremely noisy environments. The ME2 is pretty bad too, and both of thiose have a jack that is a 3.5mm, but it's got the screw on it to attach to the transmitter. I think the best sounding one of the bunch here, and my vaforite lav is the Rode Lavaliere. I think it's 230.00. But it comes free when you buy their RodeLink wireless for 400.00. Anyway, the Rode lav (and the PinMic which sounds exactly the same) have multiple connectors (sole separately). They have a 3.5mm one (Micon 2) for recorders or DSLRs input. You can also buy an XLR Micon or one for any wireless unit. That's valuable because most lavs come hard wired for one thing. So check out the Rode Lavalier and all the Micon connectors. I have both the lav and PinMic. The PinMic is a great choice when you want it to not show too easily. But if you only get one lav, start with the Regular Lavaliere because the PinMic doesn't work on everything. I have a PInMic review on my channel too. ua-cam.com/video/AGhJvC66kDA/v-deo.html
Thanks you for this, Chad. It really helps. I did not think the Rode or higher end mics would be compatible with a lower end video camera like the Canon vixia hf r500. It has a stereo input so I thought I could not plug in directly to the camera. I have the zoom h4n but the lavs I have tried so for (audiotech3350 and SennME2) sound terrible through it and terrible when I plug directly into the camera. I don't want to have to buy another zoom just for the mic. I was considering the ME4. You helped me dodge a bullet! It will be for indoor recording of training videos so finding the right lapel mic is important. Figuring this out is not as easy as it looks so I appreciate you taking the time.
If you don't get a good sound with the Rode Lav, then you're doing something else wrong. If you are recording directly into the camera, do not use Auto. Set the levels manually. Auto will push up the level the quieter you speak, or are silent, then that pushes up the noise level and it's just not the correct way. If you are singing then make sure the level is lower so you don't distort. Really, of you are talking on camera, I think it's worth it to spring for the RodeLink wireless. It's such a bargain if you are going to buy the Lav anyway, and then you aren't tethered to a cable. Audio is the most important thing about video!
Thanks again Chad. The only high end mic I tried is the Line6, which only came out of one speaker. It may be mono, I don't know for sure. Rode is a great name and you cannot go wrong with their products so the Rode is what I will be getting based on your recommendation and info in your videos that I have watched. Have tinkered around a bit with my camera setting too. That should do the trick!
Well, the ME-2 comes free when you buy the Sennheider G3 systems, and it's OK, not noisy, just cheap sounding. he Rode is very quiet and IMO the winner of this shootout.
Chad I bought a Sanken cos11d ...I did several test, but at the end it seems that the Rode Ntg3 sounds better, at least to my ears. What do you think?
The Rode NTG-3 had better sound better! That's a 700.00 shotgun, vs a 400.00 lav. The NTG-3 has a much larger capsule.
Thank you Chad! I brought back the sanken and I will use the money for the rode ntg3.... Maybe in the future I will add the lavalier. I dont have the budget but I am very intersting in sanken shotghun it seems has a great sound.
A&V PROJECT Remember though that the lav mic can move with your subject. If your subject is moving then you need a boom operator with the shotgun to keep the mic 18" from the mouth of the speaker. It's fine if they are sitting. One mic per person. Also, for indoor dialog a hypercardioid is a better mic. Like the AT4053b. Shotguns are designed for outdoor dialog. Read up on that.
HI Chad, did you find the Sanken to have a lot of cable noise. I use the Sanken on the zoom H6 with the Sony UWP-d11 and been having issues with cable noise.
The Rode NTG-3 is so sweet!
thanks a lot chad.... you have made things very easy for me....
So each mic was going thru a g3 wireless system?
The SankenCos11 did not sound nice on the S sounds, it was like it was boosted too much in the highs and was mushy-slushy. The ME2 and the Rode sounded surprisingly natural!
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated! I'm looking at getting a whole transmitter kit and the G3 stands out, especially since that's what you used and as you've said previously, you get a free ME-2 with it, how has your experience with the G3 been? I like how it's made of metal for durability as I plan to use it in a particularly rough situation.
HI Chad... Sorry for not mentioning my signal chain...
I aM A maths faculty and want to record my lectures to upload on youtube..
I am using a Sony alpha 37 camera (mounted on a tripod 5ft away).. I am purchasing a RODE lavalier mic.. the one you used in the video. .. The computer is also nearby.. So I can record into it... If I plug the output of mic directly into the camera, willl I loose some audio quality? because that way I dont need to sync audio seperatly..
Great job comparing these mics! Thanks.
Were the mics connected to preamps directly or by using wireless transmitters? I've been wondering if I could use the Rode Lavalier connected directly to the preamp of an digital audio interface.
***** The mics were connects using wireless units, but you can buy an XLR adapter for the Rode Lavaliere to run it directly to your audio interface, or camera. You need phantom power though. It's called the Micon-5
Chad Johnson Thank you!
Sony recorders have the best pres, and overall construction out of the choices listed. You can get an XLR input that goes with the Sony D-50, but that is an additional 500.00. So if you are going to spend 1,000.00 you may as well get the awesome 6 input Tascam DR-680 for 600.00. All in all you have to read the specs of all these recorders and decide for yourself. For instance, the Sonys have a dial to adjust levels - that is big for me. It may not be for you. Look up video reviews on YT too.
Hi Chad.
Im currently looking on a low budget for some audio equipment to record a wedding ceremony (and speeches). I was considering coupling up the Sennheiser Me2 with the zoom h1 would you recommend this or another configuration.
Out of curiosity if I was able to increase my budget would you recommend coupling the Tram TR50 With the Zoom HR4
Thanks
Great test! Thanks for posting it, it's very helpful.
Do you know if the Sennheiser ME2 can be plugged directly into a Zoom H1?
Hey there, I was wondering if you could recommend me a wireless device to use along side with the Rode Lavalier Mic (A list of things to get with it would be nice!
Hi again Chad,
If I am buying a Zoom H1, then do I need the Rode lavalier?
I mean can’t I just put the zoon h1 in my shirt pocket and do my reordings?? or will that increast the noise in my audio?
If I would buy two COS11D microphones. Then I don’t need the microphone(s) on a Tascam. Are there other good portable digital recorders without microphones with XLR (or mini jack) input I should investigate?
Also is it possible to buy a COS11D that both can be connected to an external Phantom Power supply and if more freedom of movement is required work with battery power and a wireless transmitter?
What wireless transmitter would you suggest? I don’t need an Sennheiser ME microphone... ;-)
and let me apologise for not applauding the video you have made.. it’s truly a great video... thanks a lot
Thanks for the video!
I am trying the rod lav with a tascam recorder. However the sound isn't as full as yours. Did you do any post work with the sound?
No post work on the lav recordings. If anything I only adjusted the volume levels in post. I was going through wireless units, and into my MOTU Traveler audio interface. Wireless packs like the Sennheiser G3 can help boost your signal so your not letting the recorder's preamps do all the heavy lifting. If you get hiss, you may try turning the gain level up to high (I think there is a Low/Med/High switch somewhere?) and try to keep your level dialed between 50-75%. Beyond that you can be adding noise. But if you turn up in post, you don't introduce any new noise.
@ChadWork1 I dunno. There's another UA-cam vid that compares the ME2 with a Sanken on a Lectrosonics system and it compares very favorably, especially for the price. Certainly a more expensive lav will sound better, but for the price it doesn't seem like the ME2 could be beat.
In fact, in this video the ME2 sounds best to me.
Do portable recorders record better quality sound??? Is it worth to buy them and sync the sound later?? what would you suggest?
Im looking for a mic to wire up roller hockey players during games. wich of these would you recomend, and how does the audio get recorded?
The only option to look at is the Sennheiser G3 wireless. Anything cheaper has lots of drop outs ans static, and anything better will cost over 1,000..00. They go for 600.00.
Hi Chad...I defenitely love the Sanken....does it capture the room reflections? Can I use it istead of the cs3e that is far away expensive?
A lav is a completely different beast than a shotgun or a hyper. A lab is on your chest, usually around a foot away from the mouth. So your body will block many reflections. But if you're in a very live room, you will still hear reflections. Still labs usually sound great and more consistent than a boomed mic because they are always the same distance from the mouth.
So, Chad, if the budget is aroun 600 $ what do you suggest to buy a rode ntg3 or a sanken cos11? Usually I recording video by myself, reviews etc , or interviews....sometimes voiceover...but for now any wedding, parties or thing like these.
A&V PROJECT I'd say go for a Rode Lav. it hs 150.00 cheaper, and you have the ability to buy different connectors like XLR, or Sennheiser Wireless, or 3.5mm for portable recorders. There is no one mic for everything. I would say for a complete set that covers everything to get a shotgun (NTG-2 or NTG-3), a hypercardioid (AT4053b) and a wireless system like the GH3, but with a good lav. Anyway, with the Rode lab you can use it anyway you need with the right connector. I could not use that for VO though.
Thanks Chad....very useful advices ;)
If you are worried about size, what lav mic would you say is the best quality at a reasonable price? I really like the sound of the Sankin but it is too expensive for me.
Which lav do you think cuts better with the NTG-3? I think the rode lav sounded the closest. Is that your impression too?
Yes I like thew Rode Lav. The COS11D, which is an industry standard, sounds too bright for my taste.