What's the Best High-Intensity Training (HIT) Protocol? Is there even such a thing as "the best"?

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  • @stephenrimbach1311
    @stephenrimbach1311 Рік тому +4

    Brilliant Podcast watched it three times full of gems

  • @tullochgorum6323
    @tullochgorum6323 4 місяці тому +2

    After a lifetime of meditation, I much prefer to train with my eyes closed. This helps me project the mind into the muscle and achieve greater intensity. As John says, it becomes a meditative practice. And it's also a mindset that helps you disregard the intense discomfort of High Intensity training. I don't see any advantage in keeping the eyes open.

  • @tullochgorum6323
    @tullochgorum6323 4 місяці тому +1

    You can reduce wear and tear even more. A group of HIT mavens has developed the Timed Static Contraction protocol, which involves a single isometric rep of 90 seconds broken into 3 stages of 50%, 75% and flat out effort. It's very practical for working at home or on the road - all you need is a strap. It is extremely effective for developing the mind-muscle connection and engaging both fast and slow twitch fibres. Drew Bayes claims it produces results equal to any dynamic method, while being the safest approach yet developed. It can be brutal enough to exhaust an elite athlete, or gentle enough for the frail and bedbound. I'm enjoying it - highly recommended.

  • @dyvetex
    @dyvetex Рік тому +2

    I alternate between Ellington Darden`s 30-30-30 protocol and John Little`s One and Done protocol and Mike Mentzer`s Ideal Routine. One month on each protocol. It gives me diversity and I get not bored with my training. I am 60 yeras old and I train to be fit and cope with the challenges when you get older. My workouts are brief and always to failure, one or twice a week. It works great for me.

    • @Cube_Ernator1077
      @Cube_Ernator1077 11 місяців тому +2

      @Mantastic-ho3vm not necessarily. One properly applied HIT workout and rest 4-5 days, then go again. Seems to work for me and I'm 62.

  • @dyvetex
    @dyvetex Рік тому +2

    John Little is great. I love his approach to training. He has a very sound attitude, and not to forget a lot of knowledge! Great podcast!

  • @BRM101
    @BRM101 Рік тому +4

    Great conversation gentlemen all the best from Liverpool UK

  • @lazur1
    @lazur1 Рік тому +6

    Little's correct on general principle, but doing SuperSlow once a week from age 45 to 73,(so far), has does nothing but improve my knee, hip, shoulder,& elbow joints. Rest, sleep, nutrition, & being a self-healing organism...

  • @iancummings3150
    @iancummings3150 Рік тому +2

    Looking forward to John‘s book on Mike Mentzer.

  • @knockout123
    @knockout123 Рік тому +1

    Fantastic interview! I always appreciate John Little and his perspective. Excellent channel and podcast! Keep up the great work.

  • @juan131j
    @juan131j Рік тому +3

    Jay Vincent posted why you must not change the way of training.

    • @WizzdummHeadley
      @WizzdummHeadley 6 місяців тому

      You absolutely can vary the protocols/methods of training with the HIT paradigm.

  • @PeterBibby-f9g
    @PeterBibby-f9g Рік тому +4

    Hi liked the interview I've been lifting for over 40 years and trust me this super slow stuff simply doesn't really work. I've tried it and made my own observations and I've never seen anyone who looks like they train. With regards to reducing reps i never injured myself the body is meant to move and repair itself. Peter

    • @crashkorey
      @crashkorey Рік тому +1

      Agreed with super slow. It's super stupid

    • @JDEG100
      @JDEG100 Рік тому

      Look for Jay Vincent, Joshua Trentine, kmhist.

    • @JDEG100
      @JDEG100 Рік тому +6

      There are a lot of people who train this way and look like people who train, Doug Mcguff himself for his age looks much better than volume defender Shoenfeld, if you want to make a comparison.

    • @PeterBibby-f9g
      @PeterBibby-f9g Рік тому +2

      Super slow should be ssp super slow progress! I have a question why do you guys always need someone shouting or counting while you're training? Maybe that's your problem you can't think for yourselves!!!

    • @crashkorey
      @crashkorey Рік тому +2

      @@JDEG100 Jay doesn't touch super slow at all.

  • @lazur1
    @lazur1 Рік тому +2

    Hutchins now prefers "TimedStaticContraction"; no open-close of the joint.

  • @lazur1
    @lazur1 Рік тому +5

    UA-cam: Dr Doug McGuff; "Hypertrophy Is a Side Effect". An end to the criticism of those who "Don't look like they even train".

    • @lukeskywalker7461
      @lukeskywalker7461 Рік тому +7

      It's the intelligent way of looking at hypertrophy. Unfortunately, even the HIT crowd still chases unrealistic hypertrophy as the ultimate goal of training, leading to a crowning of the genetically gifted as holders of some holy grail. I believe framing an overly hypertrophied body (the modern bodybuilder) as a health negative is a more realistic view.

    • @HighIntensityBusiness
      @HighIntensityBusiness  Рік тому +2

      This was a great video, thanks for sharing it here.

  • @craigpawlisch8628
    @craigpawlisch8628 Рік тому +13

    His comments about wear and tear are overly simplistic. There is good evidence that lack of physical activity, especially in kids, is associated with having thinner and less resilient cartilage in knee joints. Connective tissues are not passive structures. They can adapt to stress, albeit more slowly.

    • @deanpaulson6714
      @deanpaulson6714 Рік тому +4

      It's a Grey area! Like building muscle probably a lot of genetic influence. The tolerance my joints may be able to before wear and tear shows up probably different from someone else. I think we all agree ballistic explosive strength training is about the fastest way to wreck the skeleton. After a career of playing rugby and including Olympic lifts I can testify NOT a good combination if you need to dress yourself after 40 😩😩

    • @lazur1
      @lazur1 Рік тому +3

      Rest, sleep, nutrition, & not moving explosively keeps joints good for life, but competitive sports don't allow for that last requirement.

  • @timothyvonvictory7105
    @timothyvonvictory7105 Рік тому +1

    Man this is great! Subd

  • @murrayknox4503
    @murrayknox4503 Рік тому +4

    Beyond the benefit of less wear and tear One and Done is extremely taxing on muscles being worked.

  • @fourftr
    @fourftr 11 місяців тому

    Reading Body by Science Just starting this HIT method. Not interested in getting bigger but stronger. 2 Questions Can you get stronger without getting bigger I’m a 69 years old athletic male 6’1” 185 lbs. Are you better off too heavy weight with shorter reps or more reps with lighter

  • @lukeskywalker7461
    @lukeskywalker7461 Рік тому +2

    Ive seen just as much evidence of wear and tear in sedentary people as very active people, leading me to believe that wear and tear is at least partially a metabolic issue as well. I don't think its even arguable that joints need movement and loading to be healthy.

  • @juan131j
    @juan131j 8 місяців тому

    My respect to john little. I tried the protocols of him but my results were. Better doing one set to failure and adjusting volume and frecuency so he is wrong.

  • @crashkorey
    @crashkorey Рік тому +1

    So I thought that it's already been proven that super slow is inferior to a faster protocol other than individuals with an injury. If that's the case wouldn't this protocol be even more interior because it's even slower with less weight? Also Doug McGuff had the idea that muscle growth or hypertrophy maybe more linked to doing more volume or as he described more uncoupling of the fibers. He said he didn't have proof of this but he had an idea that it might be a factor.

    • @lazur1
      @lazur1 Рік тому +4

      SuperSlow's inferior for drug-using bodybuilders & athletes, who can tear down & rebuild muscle quickly & repeatedly. For the majority of people, who simply want to get stronger & add muscle, while working full-time & raising family, with a virtual zero chance of injury, SuperSlow is superior.

    • @crashkorey
      @crashkorey Рік тому

      @andreleitedasilva8708 it's been proven to be inferior. I tried it back in the '90s when it was popular and lost strength and size. Many experts like Drew Bay who were believers gave up on it. It's just not heavy enough to induce growth. It is good if you are injured. I tore a bicep a couple of months ago and I train extremely light and slow on that arm.

  • @ondrej1893
    @ondrej1893 8 місяців тому +1

    I much prefer Doug McGuff's or Drew Baye's protocols. Seem more "evidence based" and streamlined to me. John Little is a bit of an experimentator and goes by feel...

  • @drbonesshow1
    @drbonesshow1 Рік тому +2

    No, there is no such thing as best. However, there is optimal - a word my friend Mike Mentzer used often is his lectures.

    • @HighIntensityBusiness
      @HighIntensityBusiness  Рік тому

      Thanks. I think "optimal" is problematic too. We don't really know what "optimal" is.

    • @drbonesshow1
      @drbonesshow1 Рік тому +1

      @@HighIntensityBusiness Most people don't know their butt-crack from the crack in their head. I don't suffer from that problem. Or should I say problema?

  • @alexdigaia
    @alexdigaia Рік тому

    The only thing that I see as dogmatic is "train to failure". If the intensity is too high for someone, why don't backup a little bit and because of that stimulate growth with less?

    • @d4rknugg3t31
      @d4rknugg3t31 Рік тому +2

      When you do hit you are not only training the muscle but also the central nervous system and the cardiovascular system. Any any stressors on those make impose an adaptation. Making not only the muscle bigger but the central nervous system more efficient and a better heart and slow bpm on rest days (that’s great for you)

  • @fightpoisk
    @fightpoisk 8 місяців тому +1

    So what is the best protocol? Moving average?

  • @lukeskywalker7461
    @lukeskywalker7461 Рік тому

    Joints need movement and load to be healthy. Just thought I'd try to balance the conversation - joint movement and load is not "bad stuff."

    • @HighIntensityBusiness
      @HighIntensityBusiness  Рік тому +2

      Appreciate it Luke. The force is strong with you.

    • @lukeskywalker7461
      @lukeskywalker7461 Рік тому +1

      @HighIntensityBusiness btw, I'm a John Little fan and feel his advice is (for the most part) very wise.

  • @ericjames7819
    @ericjames7819 Рік тому

    It's easy for anyone to test out the results from slow reps training. D that style of training for a period of time and test ones strength. Then do faster rep training and test progress (using the same testing protocol). You'll easily see that slow rep training is inferior.

    • @keck739
      @keck739 Рік тому +3

      You are vague. Inferior in what way? If speed is always better, then lift 10 lbs instead of 100. Will you build more muscle? Slow movement increases the time of each rep. Fast movement blasts the reps quicker. You might get more reps with a faster pace, but the time under tension is still the same. I think to accurately compare the two, you'd have to look at equal time under tension. Number of reps would be irrelevant.
      The next issue is how you measure the results. Yes, fast rep benching will make you "stronger" in benching, but benchpressing is a skill. That's probably b/c you can blast past sticking points in the movement. Slow reps force you to grind through those sticking points. Would that work the muscle harder? It's possible for a very experienced benchpressor to bench more than a stronger inexperienced man.
      I agree that fast movements canl make you better at a particular movement. Will it actually make you stronger and bigger than Slow reps, though? Have you tried Slow reps to absolute failure?

  • @WizzdummHeadley
    @WizzdummHeadley 6 місяців тому

    Many people would be very shocked to learn of the true "nature" of medicine because it's not at all what many think it is, & when Doug started flouting "paleo" I really tuned him out completely.

  • @Minimalistbodybuilding
    @Minimalistbodybuilding Рік тому +1

    Not the best sound quality. John’s voice kept breaking up

    • @HighIntensityBusiness
      @HighIntensityBusiness  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for feedback. We'll try and improve for next time.

    • @lazur1
      @lazur1 Рік тому

      Yeh, it was rough on 'Delorme & Watkins'. If I didn't already know Delorme's name, I still wouldn't:^)

  • @finnbodenmann5928
    @finnbodenmann5928 11 місяців тому

    Sorry old coffee

  • @idx1941
    @idx1941 Рік тому +1

    The whole Bruce Lee real fights bullshit, tells me how deep into fantasy Little is. Which helps to explain his training fantasy bullshit. He doesn't deal in reality.

    • @HighIntensityBusiness
      @HighIntensityBusiness  11 місяців тому

      I don't agree, but thanks for sharing your POV =)

    • @idx1941
      @idx1941 11 місяців тому

      @@HighIntensityBusiness of course you don't agree...your business model is based on selling the fantasy.
      Let's look at the whole Wong Jackman fight. All the Lee lovers maintain Lee destroyed him in their fight. The Lee fantatics will say Lee was surprised how tired he was, after this quick victory. So what would anyone else do? They would train to get in better shape.
      But what did Lee actually do? He closed up his school, totally abandoned his style and and went in search of better fighting methods. Those actions reveal what actually happened during that fight. The truth is the fight went on for a very long time, Lee's techniques were ineffective, and Lee faced an existential crisis (which in borne out his reaction).
      But you can't make money from that truth.

    • @kingdaleclarke
      @kingdaleclarke Місяць тому

      Agreed. I've known this for a while. Nothing against John. I've read a few of his books and sure he has the intellect, he's far more intelligent than I am but I am also someone who's actually rooted in reality and not some make belief dream world that he seems to be living in. He has a UA-cam channel, and nearly every video is about Mike Mentzer or Bruce Lee, almost bar none. It's like as a grown man to be obsessed with other men,one of whom was an actor is just too sort of cringe to me. I'm a big believer in being your own person and not putting people on a pedestal and worshipping them,it's weak and pathetic. Again nothing against John but I see it as a sad existence. Bruce was an actor, he never competed, and I'm sure Mike Mentzer would have found such admiration painful

  • @Rob-qn6od
    @Rob-qn6od 23 дні тому

    If you’re natural, the only things that you will gain from HIT are weird grimaces while you train and a destroyed CNS.
    Let’s hit it.
    H.I.T. Is Too Easy On The Body
    HIT-brahs always brag about how HIT is really difficult. Yates does the same, but the reality is painfully different.
    What is it?
    HIT = EZ on The BODY, Hard On The Brain
    You see, the brain is the smartest organ in your body, allegedly, but it can be tricked.
    So, here’s what’s happening.
    During a hard set, the CNS signals to the brain that the organism is under fire. So, you naturally conclude that you’re working hard.
    And that’s the case, but only for 1 set.
    Then you rest…way too long.
    The body is hit (lol), but each muscle group does not receive enough stimulation throughout the entire week to grow.
    However, since every day is CNS day, you conclude that you’re working hard when in fact, the overall BODILY fatigue is quite low.
    To grow muscle, you need to do more WORK. It’s that simple.
    Back in the day, some guy asked Mentzer why his calves weren’t growing, so Mentzer told him that he was overtraining them and advised a reduction of calf training frequency to once every 14 days. (I read that in a magazine.)
    This isn’t very intelligent advice on Mentzer’s part.
    Why?
    Doing a few hard sets for the calves (one of the toughest muscles in the body) and then going for a 2-week vacation is akin to expecting to raise your IQ by reading for 40 seconds a day.
    In reality, if you have a lagging muscle group, you have to do the exact opposite, namely - increase the frequency and volume.
    In other words, you must train it HARDER.
    And harder does not mean one look-at-me-I-am-puking set, but multiple “money sets” done more frequently.
    This is true for unnaturals and even truer for naturals.
    Dorian’s HIT contains slightly more volume, but the frequency will not be enough unless you’re genetically gifted everywhere.
    “But have you watched Blood n’ Guts,” says the dreamer.
    Yes. I have. If you mute the annoying screaming, the training doesn’t look as tough as you think it is.
    I’ve been to gyms where average people who have regular jobs train just as hard and with even more frequency.
    Everyone Tries HIT and Quits Not Because The Program Is Hard…but
    HIT has been here a long time. Virtually every serious muscle constructor has tried it.
    And yet the methodology is still not popular. Why?
    The HIT fetishists will say “Because it’s super hard and people can’t handle it”.
    That’s incorrect. The true answer is:
    Because it’s not as effective as other methods.
    Don’t you think that if HIT was all that effective, the pros would have switched a long time ago?
    Professional bodybuilders and other hypertrophy-addicts are doing everything in their power to get bigger.
    The sacrifice includes the following rituals:
    Daily injections of known and unknown steroids. Some compounds are literally designed for horses and yet people introduce them to their bloodstream.
    Growth hormone injections
    Insulin injections (you can get into a coma and die as a result of this practice)
    Training 6-7 days a week
    Following expensive and complicated diets
    Paying glorious amounts of money to personal trainers
    Don’t you think that individuals who are willing to do all of that in the name of the Hypertrophy God are afraid of HIT?
    Think again.
    Harder.
    The painful truth is that a muscle addict will go all the way to add muscle to his frame.
    And if HIT was the difference between being average and the KING, everybody would be a HITTER.
    Injuries
    Here’s a questionnaire for geniuses:
    When do you think you are more likely to tear a muscle?
    A) When you perform a set until you know that the next rep will require you to break form.
    B) When you perform a set to total failure, and then some sweaty fella with raisin-like balls lifts the weight all the weight for you so that you can get 3 more reps with extremely slow negatives?
    Ultimately, it doesn’t matter how effective your training is when…you can’t train due to an injury.
    If you want to tear a muscle, go ahead and HIT it hard.
    Not Practical
    HIT forces you to jump on the machines because applying it to compound exercises is often dangerous.
    Do you think that it’s a coincidence that HIT was heavily promoted by Arthur Jones, the inventor of the Nautilus machine series?
    A wise man once told me that --
    there is no such thing as a coincidence.
    HIT Treats You Like a Machine
    High IQ training realises that humans are not robots. Hence smart programming comes with carefully engineered deload phases (one step back, two steps forward type of thing).
    HIT could have this sophistication too but more often than not doesn’t because the teachers are too focused on squeezing your CNS until you vomit.
    They think that it’s awesome to feel like you were just HIT by a car after a workout.
    Additional Hard-Hitting Facts
    Mentzer and Yates both built their bodies with volume before allegedly switching to HIT. (According to many mentzer was doing higher volume than advertised.)
    Yates already had a pro physique when he switched to lower volume and that was to MAINTAIN the mass he'd already built.
    During the so-called Colorado experiment, Casey Viator didn’t build any new muscle. He simply regained what he’d lost before.
    Hit is a myth.

  • @gavinschuette9826
    @gavinschuette9826 Рік тому +2

    we should not allow people who are not cut to talk about getting cut

    • @Cube_Ernator1077
      @Cube_Ernator1077 11 місяців тому

      @gavinschuette9826 The video is about HIT Protocol, NOT being 'cut'.

  • @gavinschuette9826
    @gavinschuette9826 Рік тому +1

    do show with shirt off show proof your way works