The Biggest Naruto Plot Hole
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
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Naruto is a great series but it has problems. In this video I will be discussing and fixing Naruto's biggest plot hole. The sheer number of ninjas in the world. During the 4th Great Ninja War, when the Ninja Alliance comes together we found out there are 80 thousand ninjas in the alliance. This is way too much.
It's impossible for the Leaf Village and the other major nations to produce that number of ninjas in the pacing that we see in the series. Konoha's Ninja Academy only produces about 9 ninjas per year, so it would not be possible to reach this number. But let's talk about ways this could be explained and fix the plot hole in Naruto Shippuden.
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Every village sent their every capable candidate to fight alongside others, that's why they have that much. And not only the villages but also the nation's sent ninjas too
@@PlayGames-nb6fz no
@@DygoKnight Ninjas you talked about chunin exam but forget the chunin exam is something you choose to take not all ninjas take and all three members have to be in agreement
There's also the fact that there are ninjas working for the daimyou and doing missions all across the world so no it makes sense about the number
Also the size of a village is a big thing since konoha the village can be calcts to be the size of a small country
I would like if you made a video of how big konoha the village actually is if the forest of death is inside the village which we know it is
@@orpheemulemo8053 konoha is NOT the size of a small country, its barely the size of a decent sized village irl
9 Ninjas only graduated from his class? That's your big mistake dude. To put it more accurately: 9 Ninjas we knew, graduated from his class. Judging by the size of the classroom, the number of students in the academy is probably 30-40 per class. And we don't even know how many classes in the academy of Konohagakure. Not to mention, almost everyone in the village is a Ninja, other than those like Teuchi, but it was a village of mostly Ninjas.
So, I don't think it's weird for this number in the war, especially if we count on the number of Ninja graduating every year. And this is just from Konohagakure.
Madara also didn't understand that logic so
_He then started to even it out to logical proportions_
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Jokes on you, half the army was Naruto’s shadow clones
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@@shizukagozen777 holy crap you have over 100+ comments on this channel 👀
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Really ? DAMN.
Why did you check anyway ? 😂
@@dah_goofster bro its not even That muuch,. its pretty normal for a reguler fan who comments
@@shizukagozen777 i wonder 🤔
There's a scene where you can see Sasuke's report card, and it showed 90 students in his year. We can assume there are at least 3-5 classes per age group, of which apparently it's ages 5-12, so we can assume there's roughly 500-1000 students at a time, but MOST of them do not become Shinobi.
Do they not become shinobi or does it just take longer for them to become shinobi
@@jgamez106 Longer. But some don’t become shinobi because some either just quit and change career choices or they just die taking the exams lol.
Exactly, plus imif you are in an all out war (similar to wwi and wwii) you would call on all who have had previous training and even those that did not and teach them the basics.
Even an idiot can cause a distraction long enough to get in a good attack.
It's possible they can reapply and just take it till they pass
Most likely they don't become high-ranking or important enough.
No one said “only 13 students graduated,” those were just the shinobi’s the spotlight was on
And the exam we saw was explained to be an exhibition of power to get contracts for the village.
It's not hard to imagine that Konoha is just the ninja capital of the fire country with dozen if not hundred of smaller ninja villages having their own chunin graduation ceremonies and standards.
@@cedric7751 no, nations reduced his military bases to just one, and only Konoha has the authority to give someone the tittle of shinobi
Yeah but there are smaller Shinobi villages within each nation, such as the Hidden Grass, Hidden Waterfall, even the Hidden Rain technically. Not to mention a bunch only mentioned in filler.
@@madisonwilliams7263 Yeah, but from what we understand, they weren’t a part of the alliance, and thus didn’t contribute any ninja.
@@Jacob-he3snWe dont actually know if thats true. All headbands were changed to the shinobi alliance headbands
Kishi really pulled out that many ninjas from the Gulag
There are so many things that are wrong with this series and I can't understand why nobody ever talks about them and one of those issues is how dumb naruto and sasuke relationship is.
@@Onepieceistheworstfuckinganimehow so? care to explain?
@@Motherland__did you even watch naruto or are you that dense to misunderstand? naruto and sasukes relationship up until boruto was just naruto chasing after sasuke like a desperate ex girlfriend.
@@janzkeeit was heat asf
@janzkee their relationship was pretty weird, I would have understood if they were close but they weren't.....
I always imagined that the villages did a mandatory draft kinda thing.
Nah Kishimoto even wrote only chunin join war
Genin roam around in village like Konohamaru
@@herren1809that's not true actually, we are shown genin fighting in the war in fact during the war Naruto is a Genin still as are several of his classmates. Genin aren't ideally dragged into the war because they aren't trained enough for that level of combat and their usefulness is much more limited. With a war on this level, such consideration isn't an option.
@@nykthosacolyte5710 None of Naruto's classmates were genin with him in the war. Everyone was Chunin already besides Neji who was a Jonin
@@TheContradictator and Sasuke... Who was a Genin turned missing nin
@@nykthosacolyte5710 right meaning he wasn’t a leaf ninja lmao. He was nothing in the war. I thought it was several ninja?
The size of the "villages" is vastly understated in the anime. They are massive cities. Additionally, within the Land of Fire alone, we are introduced to many other smaller villages that have ninja. While the major villages are the only ones mentioned, its apparent that all the ninja of the world took part. There are even references of people scouting ninjas from these smaller villages for the war effort.
Its the same as the manga what the hell are you on about😂
@@RODFLOP no it's not slow mf 😂 the anime is an adaptation of the manga, there are other things they have messed up or cut out as compared to the manga
@@RODFLOPno he’s right. the leaf village isn’t the only leaf village as well. and the villages fight for countries bc the ninjas are actually soldiers. the lore of naruto is that they fight for the fire nation and that the villages are js defensive outposts to stop threats before they reach civ population. there’s smaller outposts and shit other than js the main 5 villages. and the school had multiple classes and shi. i do agree tho naruto is holey as shit
@@xaxabinks still doesnt add up to the number even if they have a bit more villages and actually it would take more than a full country to add up to this number. Even in the manga they appere randomly out of nowhere and it is something that was never actually explained you just supposed to deal with it and not think much about it or wait till one day it will be answered in a novel🤷🏻♂️
@@RODFLOP assuming hte 90 per year number, that takes 1600 years to 160 years.
Then add in maybe 4 more smaller villages, (maybe producing half as many shinobi?) that means they are making another 180 shinobi ... so divide 160 by 3 that takes 53 years.
The third hokage was working as a ninja into his 70s, means its not that far off.
(and, the actual civilian cities probably produce shinobi also, and the civilian cities are probably SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than the purely shinobi villages, so they are probably producing **far far** more ninjas in total).
Actually, the leaf 9 are not from the same class, Neji, Tenten and Lee are from the class before the MC. The Leaf 9 were focused on due to their talent within their generation. But if you look at the earlier episodes there were more students in their class and the academy had multiple classes and sensei's. It is likely that this was also the case for all other villages. Also, it is likely that, even if not directly referenced Shinobi of the smaller villages were also present in the allied forces.
including them would make 12 wouldn't it? The rookie 9 that were followed are Shikamaru, Choji, Ino, Sakura, Naruto, Sasuke, Kiba, Shino and Hinata. Lee's team was introduced later.
Also i think it'd be weird for them not to at least mention "We even have volunteers from smaller villages".
Надо вспомнить ПЕРВУЮ серию, где было показано, как много детей сдало экзамены на генина
even taking that into consideration, let’s do some numbers. if 90 kids graduated a year, that’s still 160 years. the leaf 9 are also supposed to be exceptionally talented so odds are the other classes had fewer graduates. also, there’s been 3 wars since the founding of the villages, the entire uchiha clan got wiped out, a lot of those graduates are dead, you’d have to factor those in and the numbers would actually have to be even higher! i mean, minato killed 1000 shinobi alone. he’s exceptionally talented but people like the third raikage should have similar feats considering he “fought” 10,000 for 3 days straight.
@@124avenged I think it was way more than that just 90 graduates. Considering the time between the wars which is also the time in which the villages recover from their losses in the previous war and strengthen themselves for the next one. The number of graduates should be 1/10th of their losses in the wars. My guess is that there are 400-500 graduates every year which will allow them to recover 4-5 k ninjas in 10 years.
As for Minato he killed 1000 shinobis 'extremely quickly'. Raikage cannot be his match because he couldn't turn 10000 shinobis into 9000 in a breath. Whether Minato could kill 10000 shinobis is not a matter of skill but a matter of chakra consumption. While in Raikage's case, he uses taijutsu alongside lighning release which despite being quite fast is not enough to kill multiple shinovis at the same time. He was killed by taking on 10000 shinobis for 3 days straight, not for defeating them. Even Hashirama died while taking on thousands of shinobis (not sure about the exact number), I don't think the Raikage possessed the strength of thousands of shinobis
The men and women in those villages just produced 1000+ ninjas just for the war💀
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Shadow clones?
No all the ones that fail could just have been enlisted as like weak fodder ninja
Or entered into a fast tracked training program to get them up to snuff@@darkest_thief
@@darkest_thiefwell genin were prohibited from the war
They probably pulled a Hunter Exam and made the test super easy.
Wur
'if you can put the square block into the square hole you're qualified to be ninjas. Congratulations'
Dude, did you really watch or read the work? The 9 students who passed were only from Iruka's class. He's not the only teacher at the ninja school, and his class isn't the only one.
ok but still , lets say there are 10 teachers , 90 still takes 166 years.
@@YoItzSnow I don't know if you study but in your school there were on average how many teachers because I bet it wasn't just 10, because your thinking is illogical, there are thousands of children in the leaf village and you think that only 10 teachers train all of them, your reasoning doesn't make the slightest sense.
Bro stop trying to fix for free a mistake from the autor, you can count in your hands the ninjas that konoha have, and is not a really big City. There are a few teachers, but not enough to have that many ninjas.
@@keita_chDude, you certainly didn't read the work literally, right at the beginning, chapter 9, Kakashi says that Hogake, like the other kages, has thousands of ninjas under his command. Depending on the translation, it's tens of thousands of ninjas, and that's because this is more directed at combat ninjas and not everyone, especially cases like Ambu Ne, who isn't under Hogake's control.
@@keita_chIn your head there are a few dozen ninjas because they are the ones that were shown in action🤦
Remember Pre-Hebi Sasuke vs 1000 chunin/jonin shinobi? Orochimaru spawned them out of nowhere.
Yet Tsunade couldn't find at least ONE jonin to catch Sasuke? Really?
Exactly!
I mean considering what just happened it and that most jonin are already on missions and the ones in the village could have been killed it kinda makes sense
are we sure orochimaru didnt just edo tensei those mobs? lol
@@musicarain4702Sasuke wouldve then been more familiar with the Edo tensei process
@musicarain4702 u need a human sacrifice just to reanimate someone
Don't forget, Narutos class isn't the only class. Go watch the episode about Iruka learning how to teach naruto (flash back after pain ark). 3rd Hokage actually mentioned how hundreds of teachers refused him with Iruka being the last one, so actually it's more that 9. Top that off with other kids in that same class that passed n were given to other jonin. Notice how the only ones to pass were the ones who were named n given a yeacher but nobody else was mentioned.
It makes much more sense than only one class graduating with only 9 students every year. So having 1000s of students makes more sense. But only a select hand full being chosen by a jonin sensei.
@@Themrine2013 pretty much ya, thing is it would be hard fitting in all those ninja🤔
@@toxic-chainsaw Naruto's registration number is 12607, even if Konoha resurrected all the dead ninjas in the Village's history, they still wouldn't have enough ninjas.
And as Kakashi said, ONLY 9 can become Genin, in the entire academy only 27 students passed, and of the 27 only 9 will become Genin, and the 9 who became Genin were the 9 from Naruto's class.
@@Oblivion___ ah, well the more you know 🤔, but as a rebuttal I think his number is more of an ID than a head count, otherwise the entire show wouldn't make sense. (The uchiha alone cover most of that) There is still the comment about there being other teachers n academies 🤔, unless they meant other teachers teaching the same academi😅
Also there might have been some minor villages there as well
The number of genins in konoha wasn't 12. It was 72. We only see 12 because those are the ones from Naruto's class. But in the chunin exams arc Kabuto reveals that 72 genin ninjas from the leaf were in the exams. Also, Konoha isn't the only ninja village in the land of fire. It's just the capital. So it is possible that these many ninjas were in the war. Not a plot hole.
maybe they graduated the academy but are still genin, like how almost all of the characters end the first chuunin exam as still genin
This, I dunno if this math is much better but it makes sense there are other academy classes in the leaf too. We just focus on this small group for the series.
Maybe some of them didnt even do the chunin exam so it could be more than 72
Even with this it just doesn't work. If we assume all 72 passed its still bad.
Lets assume that to maintain an army you need that many soldiers trained every 20 years just for simple plausible numbers. That means we need 15,000 every 20 years or 750 annually.
If we assume 72 passed every year from the capital that means the capital provides 9.6% of troops. If we scaled this to population of the capital vs rest of the land the absurdity should be clear.
That ratio would be approximately equivalent to if Tokyo was the capital of all the following countries combined:
Japan
Philippines
South Korea
UK
Ireland
Netherlands
So either the capital is laughably underpopulated or the outskirts are overpopulated. For reference of that list of countries the only ratio lower is Netherlands (Used to be multiple city states with different capitals of roughly equal size) at 5%. Philippines is at 12%, UK at 15% and all others approx 20%.
I never expected Ragnarok Online music in a Naruto video, thanks for the trip down the memory lane
I always figured that Naruto’s class was one of many. We see the ninja academy is a multi story building with a couple dozen rooms. It would make no sense for all of that when 9 kids graduating is considered exceptional
If there are other genins, where were they in the chunin exams?
@@lumberjackagies5158 it was noted by several people that it was also odd for them to go to the Chunin exams so early, and this is shown with most of the other combatants being older than them with the notable exception of Gaara
@@lumberjackagies5158 because they don't want to die? Lol
@@lumberjackagies5158well in the chunnins exam thier were two other groups if leaf genius other then these main 9 12 ones
@@destroyer-pf7wm I'm guessing you only send your good shinobi to the chuunin exam. Remember, the primary reason for the exam is to show off to the people hiring ninja. Sending bad ninja is actually a detriment to this. Most likely most ninja don't get promoted via chuunin exam.
my own head cannon:
hidden villages are the main and the most powerful sources of the ninjas from its land, though each country also have other military forces that have been trained as ninja + others just military forces that have been drafted for that war since it was a world threat.
Just like the monks that were clearly ninjas and the Uchiha police force members that were all Itachis age. It's likely the academy is more of a prodigious thing for talented clan members. And a place for talented nobody's like Sakura and Naruto(was assumed by his peers) to make a name for themselves. After all, all the graduates from there that we see become the best of the best.
There's likely other schools in other towns ND cities, the land of fire is huge. And there may even be more schools in Konoha. But if not then families probably have a way of training there own and submitting them as genin.
Yup if don’t do head cannon you ruin the series for yourself which like why would you ruin the series for yourself being a nerd
Don't even need to do head Canon, we know other villages have ninja, hidan came from the village hidden in hot water, and there are plenty of other villages and countries too, we just hear about the five major ones
@@mordred013 true
@@mordred013 I think he meant regular villages not just hidden villages. I know I did.
So in the capital of th land of fire, a potentially non ninja village, there may be a ninja school of candidates, who after graduation head to the leaf or wherever to train
The biggest plothole in Naruto is the one left in Madara when Zetsu reveals Kaguya
That Einbroch OST is god. Happy to hear it in a random video.
its actually Yuno, not einbroch
Two things:
First, there's 2 chunin exams a year.
Second, naruto's class only had one chunin pass: Shikamaru.
Watch the full video bud
he's talking about genin, but there is no certainty that only 9 passed we just only follow these 9, i would also assume there is multiple classes like any normal school
@axxjazz. oh he meant genin. He's still wrong then lol Naruto was the only one to not pass the genin exam at first. And most certainly there were other classes
@brandonromero5530 I forgot he was the only one who didn't tbh
@@brandonromero5530 please stop talking brother, you sound too "ackchyually..."
Well its a plot hole, so obviously the answer is 'hashirama cells' lol 😂
Solid answer
You mean gods dna?
Is that Ragnarok Online ost in the back? holy fuck that took me back
Naruto and plot hole goes hand in hand
The lore made way more sense when the hidden villages were simply military powerhouses who sold their power to the highest bidders within their lands.
In the beginning of the manga the Hidden Leaf is much smaller and it's made very clear that the absolute majority of the people in the Naruto world are simple farmers and tradesmen etc. Only very few people have cracked the code for chakra manipulation and they keep all of their findings secret, this is why the military villages are hidden.
By the ending of the manga the Hidden Leaf is depicted as a major player in global politics, having a massive population size and territory. And all of the sudden far more people understand and are capable of chakra manipulation.
...how does only a small fraction of the world chakra manipulation make more sense?
All you did was describe a world that magic is secret and a world where its not
Way to drop the ball huh?
@@conradlorgar5508 By being incongruent with the story up to that point. They could have told a story from the beginning where its widespread. They told one where it's a secret. Then the entire world suddenly revolves around these villages.
@@conradlorgar5508 how does it not make sense? It's a secret art that only a few people know about and fewer can do. Are you saying that just because a useful skill exists then everyone in that world should know it? If so, surely you speak every language, play every instrument, have mastered every martial art, have mastered every survivalist skill, can run marathons with ease, can lift hundreds of kilograms of weight, can effectively use every weapon with ease, can hold your breath for minutes on end, and can effortlessly block out pain like buddhist monks? Those are all useful skills that exist in real life, so surely you have mastered them all, right?
What's that? you haven't mastered any of those things? Then be quiet.
@@Vgamer311 are you done making up stupid arguments to have with yourself? Next time you ask what i mean, wait to actually get a reply so you dont look like an idiot
I mean that in world building it doesnt inheritently make less sense that only a few people know something, also in a the naruto world do you think a couple thousand people isnt a small fraction of the worlds population?
Lets use the arguments you made with yourself as an example, how many people do you think can do all of those things? Literally nobody so according to you the ninja army should consist on nobody
How many people have the ability to fight? Alot of the world, is that not a useful skill? Yes, most of the people in the war arc were not peak human "know every language, peak human strength, know every martial art" level other than a small fraction of the army... almost like real life
Next time don't try to act smart, thats obviously a skill you never learnt
Kishi: “it’s not like they’re gonna keep count 😂”
Dygo:
And dygo most definitely ain’t counting right
They weren't that much in the manga 🫣
Its the Ragnarok OST in the background for Juno for me.
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Only thing is, there’s probably shinobis from a lot of other smaller villages and countries. Not to mention how Zabuza killed ‘hundreds of his graduating classmates’ as a kid.
Naruto's class had more than 9 students pass. Naruto was the only student who didn't pass the final exam. Guy's team is actually a year older. We know this because Lee said Guy had them wait a year to take the test. They are considered the Konoha 9 because they were the only Konoha ninjas taking the chunin exam.
I thought it was the konoha 12?
@@derekwallace1955 It is/was. It got dropped to Konoha 11 after Sasuke went rogue.
That draft was a beast
Probably had accountants in there
😂😂😂😂 Them niggas had to draft cooks and carpenters
Surprised they didn’t send any genin. Age and rank never stopped them in the past
@@roymustxng Had they drafted Genins like they used to in the past Shinobi World Wars, the number could've probably doubled.
@@SuperLeosid I would pay good money to see Madara drop kick Udon during the 4th Division fight
Imagine having a desk job, then getting drafted into the shinobi alliance. Then being told "alright, your group is going to be intercepting Madara"
The leaf village is the "capital" ninja village in Konoha. My head cannon is that there are lots of shinobi in konoha that are loyal to the land of fire but do not come from the hidden leaf.
Isn't the leaf village still konoha, so what are you on about
@@Chille10 yeah he's just waffling, where they elect the hokage in the fire village is capital and konoha is leaf village
@ANUBASS thanks for the correction, It's just a semantics issue. What I meant by Konoha was the land of fire. My bad
Most of the people in the war were already jonin. Not to mention a lot of them were probably on missions all the time or otherwise away from the village.
Also, Naruto's class wasn't the only one at the school. Plus there were plenty of no-name extras in the classes as well.
Don’t forget, that the adults of kiri came from a time, where they had to kill a other student to finish the school. That mean, that there population should be short, because for a long time did they losed half of the children every year.
In zabusas case, did he killed 100 kids of 1 graduation year.
That should mean, that Kiri shouldn’t be able to give a lot of numbers to the alliance to (don’t included the rogues ninja and the ones who died before this war).
Which is completely stupid because that would make their village extremely weak and vulnerable. Another plothole...
@@shizukagozen777 they had the 7swordsmen of the mist so i think thats why Village didnt atack them. People like zabuza wanst a part of the 7swordsmen but i think he was still loyal and would protect the village
@@diogoalves9284 what the hell are you talking about?
zabuza WAS a member of the 7 swordsmen
its why he had the sword
@@adam-dn3hi you watched the show right? The 7 7swordsmen defacted, zabuza had a blade from the times he made part but when we saw him naruto he was a rogue ninja. Kisame had one too and was in the akutsuki. We saw in a filler juzo had one and was hatted in the mist Village. Thats why suigetsu wanted to collect everyone
@@diogoalves9284 do you not know english? why you think I said the word WAS as in past tense
when he was in the village he was part of the 7 swordsmen of the mist
All i know is that the Ninja Insurance companies were mad as fuq about processing all those insurance claims
It was more than 9 that graduated his class. Those were just the main characters that were highlighted
To answer that plot hole, I think all the villages made many other citizens who were not ninjas to fight and many people who failed to become ninjas were also made to fight I think so that's a theory on the amount of shinobis
I am not too sure,but maybe the land of grass and rain and other small villages from the land of fire etc contributed, as we have seen , there are like 6 more villages that have ninjas, maybe they allied with the alliance
If that's the case why weren't they wearing their uniform or mentioned?
@@JoJoOnUA-cam Maybe because they weren't a part of the great villages and were minor villages
Yeah, why would they not participate to save the world ? That just doesn't make sense.
I also think that makes the most sense. But it still wouldn't get you those numbers
@@shizukagozen777 Exactly
There also were apparently ninjas from the allied smaller nations as well.
Oh Ragnarok Music! Gotta love it
bro forgot that scene when naruto wasn't graduated and was sadly sitting on a swing some newly made genins were talking about him💀
I'm not sure how much it helps, but there are other villages than the major villages. Grass village, Forest village, Steam village, etc. just to name the ones I can remember.
Not sure if it can help fill in that plot hole though or by how much.
You got village hidden in the snow and star village as well to add
Waterfall village, star village, bird country,
Love that Ragnarok Online theme on the background
Juno theme in the background. Nice
I love how Naruto's whole plot is held together with duct tape and the power of hopes and dreams yet still holding on.
We assume that only 9 pass the genin test every year, because of what Kakashi said, but that is likely not the case, because each Jonin teacher has different criteria to determine a pass and fail. Kakashi likely lies about the number because he tries to make the stakes even higher. We assume there are only 9 passes because of the Chounin exams but teams 7, 8, and 10 might just be the best teams of that year, where other genin teams might have taken the Team Guy approach, and waited a year or 2 before taking the test.
Even at that, anko and the proctors of the chunin exams gave the impression that the number of genin that made it past ibiki's exam and the forest of death were more than usual, meaning that Naruto's set were the exception in terms of quantity of qualifiers. This means the chunins produced should even be lesser. And this is taking into account that those qualifiers aren't just from the hidden leaf but also consist of hidden sand, hidden sound, hidden mist and hidden rain Shinobis. And the hidden rain and sound shinobi's weren't even part of the alliance
Are you kidding ? Have you seen the other students from the other villages ?? They were beasts compared to most of the genin from Konoha, they were scary af !
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That just mean that Kishi didn't think about all those details and wanted to make the chunin exams look extremely hard and dangerous but he didn't think about how it would contract himself later in the story, that's all.
CONTRADICT*
@@shizukagozen777if it’s not feasible at the start of the story it shouldn’t happen at all, he knew how little he had graduating every year and still had that many ninjas fighting
My headcannon was that the chunin exams were primarily for genin that had jonin senseis to teach them or were from the genin corps and were given permision to apply for the chunin exams due to proving themselves. Considering the chunin exam is publisised for their clients, they only want the relatively best genin to be shown so there are strict conditions for entering, like requiring a recomendation by a jonin or special jonin. It would explain the numbers for the chunin exam...
As for the classes, i just assumed that there were many classes, and we only see the students that graduate to genin rank with jonin senseis, with the others gong to the genin corps, after all, the academy is a military academy, so once they finish they would get put into the military of their nation.
Baisically we were always following the top 1 percent of potential ninja that were given special privileges due to showing the most potential, think of it like looking at officer schools students instead of the general military academy, it's just that we are not shown those details.
Also most of these problems come from the severe number of retcons throughout the story, so it's obviously going to have considerable differences towards the ending than the beginning when most of these details were not thought of by the author. Hell I remember reading somewhere that kishimoto didn't think the series would succeed past the chunin exam so he made it as fun as possible and didn't think too much about the future story at the time. Otherwise he wouldn't have made the replacement technique in the chunin exam work like a litteral teleportation ( with log left in place ) spell. Hell sasuke's special rinnegan ability is litterally the replacement technique, that's how damn unfair it was when we first saw it used extensively during the forest of death
9 ninjas didn't graduate. They were just the 9 rookies in the Chunin exams that year.
There were several more genins graduating every semester who didn't take part in the Chunin exams that year.
It would take less time if adult ninjas from small countries join the villages. Aoi (or whatever his name is) left the leaf village and became a rain village jounin.
You could explain this as just a large number of ninja got drafted into the war to increase their numbers by taking even some of those with basic control over simple jutsu so they could have a numbers advantage.
I think there is one way to increase the number of ninjas. And, yes, this is not canon but it seems true if you take this number seriously. Those who do graduate but do not pass the test will be sent Genin Reserve Squad where there will be several genin but only one Jonin to teach them. This is way for Konoha to separate talented/ clan ninjas from ordinary ninjas.
I honestly couldn't notice because SO MUCH FILLER HOLY SHIT in the war arc. It was torture watching these as they were coming out. Tons of flashbacks, filler, retcons, it should've been a great arc but it generally didn't really live up to what it should've, especially thanks to Kaguya. People now can use a filler list and just skip it all, we couldn't.
Yeah we're all excited like whoaa Naruto finally can control 9 tail chakra!!! After it have been teased for like 10 years + Hokage Summon
But after the end it start to made me think Sasuke retrieval arc is the best 😂
All the boys character development is much better
Or Shikamaru akatsuki suppression arc has so much twist and turn that's so excited
War arc is like oh I'm strong whoa you strong but guess what I get stronger in an endless loop 😂
It's a fun ride but not quite memorable
There's literally a guide on which episodes you can skip.....womp womp
@@nostoneunturned7641 There wasn't when these were first coming out on the sites years before the US dubs.
@@nostoneunturned7641 I remember back in the day that whoa Naruto can control 9 tail the army is marching
But then everything stuck to zetsu fuckin running around for weeks then I need to drop the series for years hoping it will get to the point
LOL kinda suck🤪
@@nostoneunturned7641 if you gotta refer to a guidebook just to properly watch a show, that is shit. womp womp my ass
They’re kinda overlooking that there’s likely tons of teams but the konoha 13 were an exceptional bunch in what was probably a very sizable number of academy graduates turned genin
You somehow forgot that flashback scene where naruto fails the graduation exam and is seated on the swing while the sad song plays, and after that he anyway passed on the same year as everyone his age, so its easy to see that there’s more than one graduation exam per year
Not to mention how many Shinobi die in wars and conflicts, meaning it'd probably be closer to 2000 years
No it wouldn’t. Naruto took the test many times and still graduated at the same age as everyone else so the tests happen fairly often.
I think I can explain it but its just a theory
There could be more then 1 class going on simultaneously like 2-4 classes which graduate at a time
That alone won't explain the numbers as it would only come up to 40 a year if we assume that 3 teams per year pass the Jonin sensei's test
We know that most of the genins who sent accepted supposedly go back to the academy but are never shown
Maybe the student who show potentiol but are not on a team go into the reserves and are trained there more militaristicly by set instructors, not 1 on 1 but in big groups.
This is pure specution but maybe This could explain the number of ninjas
Your also forgetting that the iron country wasn't just a village like the others it was a whole ass country where it was common to be a samurai so the samurai were most likely near 30000 (JUST SPECULATION (
There is literally a scene at the beginning of the series with a shit ton of people passing
That was literally one class that happened to have the characters that were the focus of the show.
Side note in the first few episodes of the show we get glimpses of the academy and it's huge and if you count the number of jonin that were present with the hokage while he was watching the main characters, each one of them represents 3 students that graduated.
I always imagined that those are simply ninja/warriors of the whole countries, and the shionobi in the main hidden village is a concentrated elite force, while the rest know only the basics. But of course, Kishimoto shouldn't let us wonder, it literally takes 1 chapter to explain or less.
Honestly sometimes it feels like Kishimoto just forgot that these villages are in entire countries. It doesn’t make sense for a bunch of ninjas from a single village in each country to make up the entirety of said country’s military, especially with the kind of wars that were fought throughout Naruto’s story and lore.
did anyone care?
What if they are all not ninjas?
Maybe normal soldiers?
He had a whole video covering why that couldn't be the case
if youre not even qualified of being a genin then what the fuck use would you be
@@booperdee2 support for lower ranked enemies
Or maybe including a bunch of kids in training to be ninja, and not just inside the villages themselves but people who lives in houses outside the main village
@@dirge44Genin didn't even get included
Konohamaru is still seen patrolling in village
It’s probably more like this:
The ninja from each of the main 5 villages made up a small amount, there are other smaller ninja villages throughout each country and they drafted fighting aged people from the entire country.
I thought about this too when watching the series and figured the extra numbers were volunteers and farmers that lived outside of the villages
Zabuza killed 100 kids in the hidden mist to graduate so that gives more scale to things
Lol nah not really because villages have different methods and we have to go off what we know in the story. Part 1 really depicted the world building as a small world of ninja and Kishi forgot he did that. It takes a lot of random head canons to make sense of these big numbers kishi threw in and even still they just don't add up. Kishi just really F up with adding 100k zetsu
I mean that if the mist village have atleast 100 kids you could say that konoha should have atleast 100 kids in the academy plus iruka vasant the only teacher and there where many classes
Also many kids wich wasant the main charakters wich you see after the graduation that naruto faild
Imagine the hidden mist, who only graduates 1 per year..yknow since only the one who kills the rest of his classmates passes
What people seem to forget, we’ve got a graduation „ceremony“ in the manga, seeing who out of Irukas class graduated before they get their team. Irukas class alone had 27 who graduated + it would be way to stupid to say „ah yea we only have team 7-9 because that’s the logical way to count“
See, I just assumed there were multiple graduations per year (maybe 1 every 3 or 4 months) and that some classes were just bigger than others (9 may graduate or 27 may graduate)
What about the minor villages. Konoha is the capital but it's not the only village in the Land of Fire. You also forget about people who are not career ninjas. I would expect ninja school to run dry during a time of relative peace and most soldiers were adult
It literally is the only ninja village in the land of fire. Those other villages you're thinking of occupy their own individual lands and they also didn't take part in the war for some reason. You can tell based off the uniforms.
You clearly didn't watch Naruto. The majority of the hidden leaf ninjas were scattered across the land of fire. You think it is just the hidden leaf that has leaf shinobi.
It wasn't just the 5 main villages. It was all fighting ninja from all different villages in all of the lands..
You know what would make more sense as an explanation? Either the rookie 9 weren't the only rookies that year or most graduating classes from the academy have a lot more students. We could've just only followed those 9 to lesson the number of characters to keep track of (in universe, they were the only three rookie teams that their sensei felt were ready for the exams). Or they somehow managed to have such poor grades that year that only 9 students graduated, including the kid who failed 3 times before, just barely making full teams
So.... Other, smaller villages don't exist, or the fact that maybe Naruto's class just didn't have a lot of ninjas that graduated. Actually, nevermind, because in the manga, it explicitly says that ONLY Naruto didn't graduate, and you see a bunch of young ninja who we never get names to, so way more than 9 graduated.
27 graduated including Naruto and 18 were cut, leaving only 9.
Way more than 9 ninja graduated in Naruto's class. We're explicitly told he's the only student that failed the graduation exam, which means the dozens of unnamed background characters in the academy all graduated. The Konoha 9 weren't the only students to graduate; they were the _best_ students to graduate.
No, they were the only ones who becamr ninjas the others were sent back to the academy
@@DygoKnight no did u see the big group of kids who graduated in episode 1 where naruto was on the swing in the background? the only ones sent back where those under kakashi and they still became ninjas soon after if im not mistaken. plus the konoha 9 are all under iruka sensei. it wouldnt make sense for the academy to only have one teacher. there’s probably several teachers with several other non important student graduates as well.
We're talking 15000 here. Depending on the exact numbers you estimate, there would still need at minimum a few hundred graduates per year. Even if you grant there are a few dozen unseen graduates, the numbers don't add up. Hundreds of unseen graduates? Nope.
@@midknite420 those kids were sent back to the academy and didn't become ninjas
@@DygoKnight Replying the same? Get a brain.
I was always confused how Naruto had failed the ninja exams but was the same age as his graduating class
Look at it this way, the ninjas who we see graduate are like special ops, while the rest of the ninjas are conscripts from the main village andsmaller villages within the hidden leafs borders
You are also forgetting the fact that when it comes to the mist village, the graduation test was to murder your whole class lmao, like only one person graduated every year so for that village to have 15000 thousand ninjas it would take 15000 thousand years and inmortal warriors
I would have thought the biggest plot hole is that the entire war takes place over the course of like 48 hours but naruto himself is on screen for longer than that
I don't see you no one realises that the konoha 9 were just the main characters but there were also other characters who did graduate since every time that Naruto failed a whole lot of students who graduated could be seen😅
On Sasuke's report card, it showed 90 students in his class. And after the graduation there was a scene where two women spoke and said naruto was the only one who didn't graduate. So there may be more classes that we don't follow as well or even different academies with more students.
Back to back vlogs brings a grow man to tear 😢
My brain says the only way this makes sense is if there were other academies and classes we don’t see
I just restarted the series, and that line Kakashi delivers about only 9 genin actually passing from everyone who passes the graduation exam, is wild. Makes no sense, it kind of makes sense when you consider how do you characters we actually meet in the original show, but makes no sense when you get to the war arc
I always tried to assume there are multiple ninja academies to avoid this plothole but the series makes it hard
I always feel weird wishing for a side banner character instead of the main banner character, like I want Hel for my Fitoria, and wouldn't mind not getting Escanor tbh, but it feels "wrong", not to deliberately want the main character.😅
A lot of them aren't ninjas but volunteered to fight for the allied shinobi force hence many of them had no skill or perform any jutsu
True. But here's something to consider.
1*The Shinobi villages are comprised up of clans.
2*Not all Shinobi clans send there children off to the academy. As we saw with Hinata who was sent to the academy because her father thought that she was of no use to the clan.
3* the vast majority of the ninja forces are comprised up of Shinobi clansmen, not villagers. Just because Naruto's generation had only 1 member from each major clan, and had more villagers, doesn't mean that just cause that was the case in Naruto's generation that that would be the case in every generation.
If the next generation was comprised up of more clansmen than villagers, there would be an influx of ninja.
4* lastly, the hidden leave took a massive L to their quantity of soldiers due to the nine tails attack, the same could be said for the hidden mist who had gone through their civil war.
So it would be very much possible that the villages could have retained even up to twenty thousand Shinobi if the Ninetails didn't attack the leaf.
Funny Thing is I was so fed up with the stories Lore up until the War. The Kyuubi Chakra Brothers was the straw that broke the camels back.
You're forgetting that early in the series timeline, more young children were becoming ninja due to the first and second great shinobi world wars. The only nation it actually doesn't make sense is for is the Mist village for lore reasons, where the classes would have to slaughter eachother and only the winners were made ninja.
That was only in their class, there is a scene where we get to see Sasuke’s report card, showing that there are 90 other graduates in his year, we also see during the chunin exams that there are many classrooms. The Konoha twelve are just the ones the sportlight is on.
Well, according to what I've heard people talk about, the only incoherence is that the nations are called villages, the common and accepted meaning of village is a little town where everyone knows each other, but apparently, in this univerese, a village is what they call an important metropolis just to be quirky, like shonen does.
Naruto graduated in a time of mostly peace. Graduation earlier on during the prior great ninja wars was a lot more. Not to mention they probably increase the graduation rate again in anticipation of the war against the Akatsuki
9 ninjas from his graduating class were chosen to compete in the Chuunin Exams and made it to the prelims. That doesn't mean that 9 ninjas graduated from the academy during his year. It was stated that the sensei had to decide weather or not the new genin were eligible, and that each member needed to agree to compete. There were likely many nameless genin that didn't make the cut.
There were other classes they just weren't relevant to talk about it wasn't just the Konoha 9
Naruto’s class only had nine ninjas. Actually there was a lot more. When Naruto initially failed the graduation exam and was sitting on the swing, you can hear a lot of extras and nobodies celebrating that they graduated, so only nine notable ninjas that we know of graduated from Naruto’s class.
When Kakashi sent his failed Genin back to the academy, they were still technically graduates with headbands, but basically became TA’s at the academy. So I think there are is a lesser group of non mission ready shinobi that comes out of the academy that can be used in war time. Think of it similarly to all members of the military get basic training, but some are handling administrative or other noncombat tasks.
during a kakashi flashback it shows him failing every other team he was given but at the end of it him is thanked by those former students with their headbands on meaning they didn't fail out of the program they just went into the reserves until they could make a team with them or replace a teams member who got injured or killed
In the past, many more ninjas were trained, but at the time of Naruto, the demand for new ninjas was very low, which is why there were so few new recruits. The times were simply too peaceful for there to be a need for more ninjas. And ninjas are also damn expensive because of the maintenance and training.
When the war started, they sent anyone who could hold a kunai to the front. The villages were basically deserted during the battles.
I always thought that the biggest plot hole was Naruto embracing Obito without even grappling with the fact that Obito murdered his family.
Naruto’s whole class graduated only 9 were sent to the chunin exams
Over thinking about an anime instead of just enjoying it is wild💀
Naruto alone is equivalent to 100,000 ninjas so it actually subtracted
13 in his classroom passed. They had more classes. Theres also people outside the main part of the village. And the surrounding towns in the country.
I also tough in that
But there is a simply explanation, the nations were supose to be in a process of de-militarization after the World War III, so they probably were recruiting more members before the peace negotiations
But there is a thing that not all noticed, they are probably gennin, because if Naruto wasn't graduated to Chunnin after literally saying the fifth hokage in battle, i don't think that a random guy will be ascended for capturing a random minion in combat