My local mill doesn't have the machinery to make pellets. I buy the mash with extra protein for the first 6 weeks, then layer feed. My quail do very well.
same here - purchasing from local Amish mill. Amish do not have multiple $100K's equipment. Small country Amish. Mash is non-gmo and organically grown.
Haha. My mill sells their feed in whole grains + powder. When I wasn't grinding it I was having problems, because the chicks weren't eating the whole millet/wheat berries/etc. I totally agree about not grinding pelleted feed, however. Mills go to a lot of expense and effort to make sure every pellet is the same nutritionally, but that doesn't mean that the pellets themselves aren't "lopsided" in ingredient layout within the pellet, because they assume the animal is consuming the whole pellet in its entirety. So as long as the animal eats the whole pellet, the guaranteed analysis is met. (As a side note: once the chicks are big enough to eat the whole grains, they switch to that with free choice grit. The ground (flour, basically) feed is only for the first while until they can eat whole grains.)
It's so funny because I read in Facebook groups to grind the quail feed, so when I first fed my 2 day old quail I left it how it was in the bag and they ate it all. Took 24 hours to realize that grinding it wasn't necessary. Lesson: do your own experiments to find out if what people say is true and you'll come way out ahead by busting such myths.
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I hear people say they grind there feed but I followed all your instructions. I put that feed down on the paper when I moved them to the brooder and the ate the Crumbles with no problem.
Makes total sense. I use a spaghetti colander and sift out the smaller pieces. Bigger than the dust, but smaller than the crumble( maybe 30% of crumble size.) so far so good. I haven’t lost any to feed issues. Nice breakdown on why not to grind. If I have not small stuff, I reduce size very slightly buy breaking it to half size in a mortar and pestle carefully by hand. Feeding dust never sat well with me. When I used turkey starter mash they didn’t eat as well and were smaller eve; though it was a higher protein. They really like the gamebird starter best.
Not necessary. I hatched my first batch about 3 ago and I didn't grind their crumbles and had zero problem. Too many myths out there that are easy to debunk.
I have always taken gamebird crumble for the first 2 week and ground it up. All the stuff in the crumble does not leave the crumble after grinding it it's still all in there. It's always mixed good. I have never lost any healthy quail chick do to what they eat! If I do louse a quail chick, it some deformity out of the shell or some problem out of a shell. Never have I lost any quail chick do to starvation from any ground food! All the makers want you to do is to buy there grower mash or if you can find game bird grower mash! Here there is no such a thing as game bird grower mash! Maybe I am very wrong, but it works for me!
@@MyshireFarm Thanks I didn't mean to contradict you at all. Just that works for me! I have raised 1000's of birds over here and so far it works very good! They grow quick and seem not to be missing any goodness, it seems and they grow up to be cute little duffers! No early deaths unless the weight is not where it belongs.. But you even get that. The EGGS that you have just sent to me, when these hatch they will be on the same thing! I will keep you posted, and I hope they don't get scrambled in shipping! I do love your videos and I have shared your content to my FB! 👍🏻👍🏻💯💯
You might be able to ensure it ends up uniform and consistent with the original analysis by doing small batches then applying a quartering and recombining technique i.e. pour the entire ground batch on the floor, divide into quarters with a flat shovel, reblend diagonal quarters with each other, quarter them, crossblend, repeat. Not sure if density differences in feed components would cause separation over time but your batch would be uniform in the end... The technique comes from powder sampling/analysis.
I was just thinking about my quail feed! My birds are now 8 weeks old and the feed I buy is the game bird feed from IFA. I have automatic slow feeders but I still get a lot of waste. My feed is very dusty and powdery so I am hoping to change it to a pellet or crumble cause there is still so much waste! I never grinded my feed cause I used the turkey blend for my quail chicks.
New sub! I might have been binge watching like pretty much all day. LOL So good to know this so I don't make that mistake. Your knowledge ia amazing! Thank you so much for sharing with us. I feel like I have already learned so much but know I have much more to learn. Exciting and kind of scary at the same time. I kind of learned a lot by my mistakes from long ago. Have a Blessed day.
i was going to grind the chicken layers pellets thinking they are to large for the quail but they seem to eat them with no problem, i mixed it with the other quail seed mix i had..but they dont like the smaller seed so there is loads of it left in the bottom of the tub after there finished.
i've been feeding my chicks their first week with the feed left over in the bottom of my feeder from the adult birbs. Do you think this is still a fairly balanced mix of the nutrients? Crumbles style feed.
Hello zack my quail are not producing eggs i got two eggs yesterday i have around 25 females is there something i can do ? Do quail stop laying for a while like seasons or do they lay around the year? Thank you
I buy a crumble from my local feed mill but often there are still full size pellets or only partial crumbled pellets. I noticed the quail waste more and will kick it out if its not grinded down. Is there anything I can do about that? I don't want to waste a lot of feed but I also want to make sure I have healthy quail.
Hi Zack i had a virus kill all my birds that were in a coop outside made of wood and advice on how to clean it the cage is wood and tarps the ground is the backyard ground no grass
I’m not sure about this video. Was it all about not to grind your bought pellet food? Or never grind the whole seeds? I’m confused. So what is the conclusion? Leave the quail pellets / crumbs whole? Or have just a seed mix from whole seeds? This video is confusing.
@@trappingisthewayoflife7146 try using turkey starter if you can’t find crumbles. It’s 30% protein. They do great on it. The ones I use this for get huge fast. I like my birds a bit smaller as I mainly raise for eggs, so I switch to crumble by day 3 when they are a bit bigger.
There is a very popular channel and he has over 300 birds in the size of cage that others say to only put like 16 birds. There is so much false information in every single situation, and quail is no different. Wish more people would question things and do their own experiments instead of just doing everything blindly.
I grind BABY feed and I wet my ALL feed and ~~~~I COOK MY ADULT FEED!!!!! - in a lid-on plug in pressure cooker with kombuch +++ tons of other feed measured out very carefully for the micro nutrition. I cook it because I cook in whole wheat berries until they swell and pop! Never ever ever ever had an issue with losing babies. Ever. My adult feed cooks for TEN HOURS and breaks down and mixes well. I'll add layer feed to the cooked soupy mix to thicken the mix and get it into the feeders before it thickens fully. Once it's the right temperature and thickness they get to eat. My birds have been doing better since I started this, the area is less dusty. It has taken 3 WHOLE YEARS to perfect this method.....
@BannedGarcia hey we had one batch we played Disney instrumental music for. I brood them in my bedroom and they peeped all night otherwise. They were quite when they had their music on. I was so glad when they went out to the aviary.
You keep saying scientific--can I see the studies or papers or any peer reviewed article that shows a correlation between grinding feed and morality/nutrition rates please? You mentioned lower mortality rates in customers after they switch to unground feed, but this is after the chicks are already several days to a week old. Mortality rates are always higher the first few days after hatch, regardless of whether or not you grind your feed--and that's been proven. Correlation does not prove causation. If you want to post your personal experiences, that's fine. It's nice to have something broken down to everyday terms, but only if it's accurate and you can back it up with hard data. Otherwise it's just opinion, not science.
We had a PHD doctor that makes our feed explain all this to me as well as a nutritional expert explain this at quail con as well. This is for Coturnix feed
@MyshireFarm Who? I'd love to talk to them. I've pulled several studies and books from MTU. None deal specifically with grinding feed, but feed size and grinding techniques all seem to show that you'll get a huge mortality increase in not grinding feed for a minimal growth improvement (and that growth is in broiler chickens, not conclusive for quail).
Quail are a third of the size of chickens when born so that study has nothing to do with coturnix at all. When you are dealing with a smaller frame that does not compute
@@MyshireFarm Yes and no. There are several studies in quail that also prove the optimal feed size is 2mm on full grown/teenage quail, and slower growth rates, higher feed conversion rates, etc on larger pellet sizes. I have yet to find a study on quail that proves that pelleted feed is beneficial for quail--the one that I did find that proved pelleted feed can increase growth rates in chickens (because of feed texture, not uniformity), also showed a 500% mortality increase when using pelleted feed. Again, in broiler chickens, that was a growth increase of about 5 grams over the span of 8 weeks but 5x more chicks died. And if that is with broiler chickens, I would assume that quail would have an even higher difference because they are smaller. I'll gladly post the links for anyone interested in reading about it further. I really would like to talk to your nutritionist and/or your animal scientist (I'm guessing that's what their PhD is in? There are only a handful of people with poultry science degrees in the US). I'm genuinely curious what studies and numbers they're looking at. I'm always happy to make a few emails or phone calls to clarify things too, I'd hate to be missing information.
@@MyshireFarm I would be very interested in seeing a video with you interviewing the person you’re getting this information from. I’m wondering if it’s being taken out of context or misunderstood altogether.
I totally disagree… it’s not small enough for my bobwhites or the small Coturnix and grinding a cup of feed will not change the mix in any way shape or form. It will save a lot of small chicks… To even suggest that a construed mix could be unmixed is in the same volume is quite the concept… 😉
Um, what?? This information is so incorrect I don’t even know where to begin. Do you really think putting feed in a blender changes the nutritional value of that feed? It somehow miraculously turns into sawdust from trees? Have you ever even had a smoothie?
I doubt that was the only information in this video, but you choose to pick out one tiny thing and denounce the whole video. Grinding crumbles is BS. Period.
My local mill doesn't have the machinery to make pellets. I buy the mash with extra protein for the first 6 weeks, then layer feed. My quail do very well.
Sounds great!
same here - purchasing from local Amish mill. Amish do not have multiple $100K's equipment. Small country Amish. Mash is non-gmo and organically grown.
Haha. My mill sells their feed in whole grains + powder. When I wasn't grinding it I was having problems, because the chicks weren't eating the whole millet/wheat berries/etc. I totally agree about not grinding pelleted feed, however. Mills go to a lot of expense and effort to make sure every pellet is the same nutritionally, but that doesn't mean that the pellets themselves aren't "lopsided" in ingredient layout within the pellet, because they assume the animal is consuming the whole pellet in its entirety. So as long as the animal eats the whole pellet, the guaranteed analysis is met. (As a side note: once the chicks are big enough to eat the whole grains, they switch to that with free choice grit. The ground (flour, basically) feed is only for the first while until they can eat whole grains.)
Glad that works for you.
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It's so funny because I read in Facebook groups to grind the quail feed, so when I first fed my 2 day old quail I left it how it was in the bag and they ate it all. Took 24 hours to realize that grinding it wasn't necessary. Lesson: do your own experiments to find out if what people say is true and you'll come way out ahead by busting such myths.
Absolutely
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I hear people say they grind there feed but I followed all your instructions. I put that feed down on the paper when I moved them to the brooder and the ate the Crumbles with no problem.
Wonderful to hear.
Makes total sense. I use a spaghetti colander and sift out the smaller pieces. Bigger than the dust, but smaller than the crumble( maybe 30% of crumble size.) so far so good. I haven’t lost any to feed issues. Nice breakdown on why not to grind. If I have not small stuff, I reduce size very slightly buy breaking it to half size in a mortar and pestle carefully by hand. Feeding dust never sat well with me. When I used turkey starter mash they didn’t eat as well and were smaller eve; though it was a higher protein. They really like the gamebird starter best.
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I absolutely love your videos. I have been think of starting to raise quail.
You should! They are great and if you have any questions feel free to ask
me too
That will be so much easier.... Thank you!
Your welcome
Happy to hear that. Thank you.
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Interesting and good to know. I've always done a grind for my newly hatched chicks for their first two to three days.
Thanks for sharing
Not necessary. I hatched my first batch about 3 ago and I didn't grind their crumbles and had zero problem. Too many myths out there that are easy to debunk.
Thank you so much, this explains why my quail are all different sizes. Again thank you will not do this on my next batch ( No grinding of there feed)
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Excellent explanation.
Thanks
Wow, another thing I thought I was doing right, but found out I was doing wrong. Thank you for the information.
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I have always taken gamebird crumble for the first 2 week and ground it up. All the stuff in the crumble does not leave the crumble after grinding it it's still all in there. It's always mixed good. I have never lost any healthy quail chick do to what they eat! If I do louse a quail chick, it some deformity out of the shell or some problem out of a shell. Never have I lost any quail chick do to starvation from any ground food! All the makers want you to do is to buy there grower mash or if you can find game bird grower mash! Here there is no such a thing as game bird grower mash! Maybe I am very wrong, but it works for me!
Glad it works for you
@@MyshireFarm Thanks I didn't mean to contradict you at all. Just that works for me! I have raised 1000's of birds over here and so far it works very good! They grow quick and seem not to be missing any goodness, it seems and they grow up to be cute little duffers! No early deaths unless the weight is not where it belongs.. But you even get that. The EGGS that you have just sent to me, when these hatch they will be on the same thing! I will keep you posted, and I hope they don't get scrambled in shipping! I do love your videos and I have shared your content to my FB! 👍🏻👍🏻💯💯
The point is that there is no benefit to grinding it, so why waste your time?
You might be able to ensure it ends up uniform and consistent with the original analysis by doing small batches then applying a quartering and recombining technique i.e. pour the entire ground batch on the floor, divide into quarters with a flat shovel, reblend diagonal quarters with each other, quarter them, crossblend, repeat. Not sure if density differences in feed components would cause separation over time but your batch would be uniform in the end... The technique comes from powder sampling/analysis.
That’s a good idea
Good to know. Mine hatched a few days ago. I thought I was suppose to grind it. I know to stop now.
Glad I could help
thanks for the info
No problem
I was just thinking about my quail feed! My birds are now 8 weeks old and the feed I buy is the game bird feed from IFA. I have automatic slow feeders but I still get a lot of waste. My feed is very dusty and powdery so I am hoping to change it to a pellet or crumble cause there is still so much waste! I never grinded my feed cause I used the turkey blend for my quail chicks.
Great. Good luck
New sub! I might have been binge watching like pretty much all day. LOL So good to know this so I don't make that mistake. Your knowledge ia amazing! Thank you so much for sharing with us. I feel like I have already learned so much but know I have much more to learn. Exciting and kind of scary at the same time. I kind of learned a lot by my mistakes from long ago. Have a Blessed day.
Thanks for watching and welcome
i was going to grind the chicken layers pellets thinking they are to large for the quail but they seem to eat them with no problem, i mixed it with the other quail seed mix i had..but they dont like the smaller seed so there is loads of it left in the bottom of the tub after there finished.
Glad this helped
We sprout wheat for our chickens it is a treat for them in the winter , we are in Canada. Do you suppose we could supplement quails with that?
Yes that would be fine
Thank you. Who knew. Now I do!
Glad to help.
i've been feeding my chicks their first week with the feed left over in the bottom of my feeder from the adult birbs. Do you think this is still a fairly balanced mix of the nutrients? Crumbles style feed.
They will need a higher protein.
Thanks
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Hello zack my quail are not producing eggs i got two eggs yesterday i have around 25 females is there something i can do ? Do quail stop laying for a while like seasons or do they lay around the year? Thank you
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Thank you and I wish you the best of luck
@@MyshireFarm thank you very much
I buy a crumble from my local feed mill but often there are still full size pellets or only partial crumbled pellets. I noticed the quail waste more and will kick it out if its not grinded down. Is there anything I can do about that? I don't want to waste a lot of feed but I also want to make sure I have healthy quail.
Just feed it back to them and they will eat it the second time around I have found
Glad I saw this before my jumbos hatch
Glad to help
So what would you give day old chicks?
Crumble
Can you ship jumbo coturnix fertile eggs to philippines. DHL takes about 5 to 7 days.
Not at this time
Hi Zack i had a virus kill all my birds that were in a coop outside made of wood and advice on how to clean it the cage is wood and tarps the ground is the backyard ground no grass
any thoughts for feed for hatchling button quail? I've been sifting the game bird to get the finer particles?
No experience with buttons sorry.
I’m not sure about this video. Was it all about not to grind your bought pellet food? Or never grind the whole seeds? I’m confused. So what is the conclusion? Leave the quail pellets / crumbs whole? Or have just a seed mix from whole seeds? This video is confusing.
Sorry to hear that. Feed them a crumble and do not grind
Can you feed quails spent grain from a brewery
I have not tried that but I would not think so but truly don’t know
Apparently you don't look at your own page and try and try to find the ordering
We have many different options on our website
So do you get smaller pellets or just feed the pellets and the eat the ones they can was told to grind because they can eat the pellets
You need to feed them a crumble
Hard to find here been to 15 places and no one has it just pellets
@@trappingisthewayoflife7146 You are looking for crumble, not pellets.
@@trappingisthewayoflife7146 try using turkey starter if you can’t find crumbles. It’s 30% protein. They do great on it. The ones I use this for get huge fast. I like my birds a bit smaller as I mainly raise for eggs, so I switch to crumble by day 3 when they are a bit bigger.
There is a very popular channel and he has over 300 birds in the size of cage that others say to only put like 16 birds. There is so much false information in every single situation, and quail is no different. Wish more people would question things and do their own experiments instead of just doing everything blindly.
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I grind BABY feed and I wet my ALL feed and ~~~~I COOK MY ADULT FEED!!!!! - in a lid-on plug in pressure cooker with kombuch +++ tons of other feed measured out very carefully for the micro nutrition. I cook it because I cook in whole wheat berries until they swell and pop! Never ever ever ever had an issue with losing babies. Ever. My adult feed cooks for TEN HOURS and breaks down and mixes well. I'll add layer feed to the cooked soupy mix to thicken the mix and get it into the feeders before it thickens fully. Once it's the right temperature and thickness they get to eat. My birds have been doing better since I started this, the area is less dusty. It has taken 3 WHOLE YEARS to perfect this method.....
Good for you. 9 times out of 10 people will have issues
I revised my post.
Maybe they didn't put as much effort into it as I did and those with success.... I mean I worked on it for years!
@BannedGarcia I sat with them for over a year to study them... It was fun hanging out. Does that count?! 🤣🤣
@BannedGarcia hey we had one batch we played Disney instrumental music for. I brood them in my bedroom and they peeped all night otherwise. They were quite when they had their music on. I was so glad when they went out to the aviary.
Hi good morning how do I order eggs from you to start my production? I live Trinidad and Tobago.
I am unable to ship internationally I am sorry.
You keep saying scientific--can I see the studies or papers or any peer reviewed article that shows a correlation between grinding feed and morality/nutrition rates please?
You mentioned lower mortality rates in customers after they switch to unground feed, but this is after the chicks are already several days to a week old. Mortality rates are always higher the first few days after hatch, regardless of whether or not you grind your feed--and that's been proven. Correlation does not prove causation.
If you want to post your personal experiences, that's fine. It's nice to have something broken down to everyday terms, but only if it's accurate and you can back it up with hard data. Otherwise it's just opinion, not science.
We had a PHD doctor that makes our feed explain all this to me as well as a nutritional expert explain this at quail con as well. This is for Coturnix feed
@MyshireFarm Who? I'd love to talk to them. I've pulled several studies and books from MTU. None deal specifically with grinding feed, but feed size and grinding techniques all seem to show that you'll get a huge mortality increase in not grinding feed for a minimal growth improvement (and that growth is in broiler chickens, not conclusive for quail).
Quail are a third of the size of chickens when born so that study has nothing to do with coturnix at all. When you are dealing with a smaller frame that does not compute
@@MyshireFarm Yes and no. There are several studies in quail that also prove the optimal feed size is 2mm on full grown/teenage quail, and slower growth rates, higher feed conversion rates, etc on larger pellet sizes. I have yet to find a study on quail that proves that pelleted feed is beneficial for quail--the one that I did find that proved pelleted feed can increase growth rates in chickens (because of feed texture, not uniformity), also showed a 500% mortality increase when using pelleted feed. Again, in broiler chickens, that was a growth increase of about 5 grams over the span of 8 weeks but 5x more chicks died. And if that is with broiler chickens, I would assume that quail would have an even higher difference because they are smaller. I'll gladly post the links for anyone interested in reading about it further. I really would like to talk to your nutritionist and/or your animal scientist (I'm guessing that's what their PhD is in? There are only a handful of people with poultry science degrees in the US). I'm genuinely curious what studies and numbers they're looking at. I'm always happy to make a few emails or phone calls to clarify things too, I'd hate to be missing information.
@@MyshireFarm I would be very interested in seeing a video with you interviewing the person you’re getting this information from. I’m wondering if it’s being taken out of context or misunderstood altogether.
What and how do you find your telephone number to order for just a ordering page
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I totally disagree… it’s not small enough for my bobwhites or the small Coturnix and grinding a cup of feed will not change the mix in any way shape or form. It will save a lot of small chicks… To even suggest that a construed mix could be unmixed is in the same volume is quite the concept… 😉
@@thjean many different ways to raise quail but we have never ground our feed and not had a problem. And also seems like an extra unnecessary step
They're able to eat the crumbles even the 1st week without grinding? I swear the crumble pieces are as big as their beak. 😂
Yep we have been doing it for more than 12 years
Um, what?? This information is so incorrect I don’t even know where to begin. Do you really think putting feed in a blender changes the nutritional value of that feed? It somehow miraculously turns into sawdust from trees? Have you ever even had a smoothie?
Sorry you feel that way
I doubt that was the only information in this video, but you choose to pick out one tiny thing and denounce the whole video. Grinding crumbles is BS. Period.
Looks like you have given up on you tube because you don’t have any new videos anymore.
We will be back at it in just a few weeks
Why do you insist on spreading misinformation?
And what would that be?
@@MyshireFarm Sounded like a bot question. So vague.