The First Punic War [Part 1] | Oversimplified | A History Teacher Reacts
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- Опубліковано 1 вер 2022
- Oversimplified is back with another banger! Rome vs Carthage in the First Punic War. The Punic Wars are easily among the most famous and influential set of wars in the ancient world. Rome really gains its identity and confidence from the worlds, only quickly after will assert it's dominance further into the Mediterranean world and across mainland Europe. As always, Mr. Terry adds his commentary as a high school history teacher along the way!
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Where does this Oversimplified episode episode rank amongst the rest?
Fairly high in my opinion as Oversimplified only gets better over time.
They just get better and better
agreed, they always seem to get better and funnier.
It’s pretty good, top 5 at least probably
Very high
"That's a Crucifixion." He never fails to create the perfect memes and running gags.
That would top every last meme
Failing to create a running gag? You had better believe that's a crucifixion!
Although to be fair, Simpsons did it! In fact, it's probably where he got it from.
Had one typo in your argument with an internet stranger? You guessed it. That's a Crucifixion
He slid the no I’m in charge at the beginning 🤣
I love how there’s a whole channel dedicated to making history simple only for this guy to make it complex again lol 😂
Hahaha
@@jacobeames4093 glad you liked that:)
History is by nature complex, so what's been simplified is the background information and then this guy's skill is just adding more context.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be
These "reaction" videos are just a clever way to get around copyright infringement
"You don't try to beat somebody at THEIR game, you gotta make them play YOUR game."
Sun Tzu himself couldn't have said it better.
Worth the wait. Never talked about that one before. It really shows Roman Empire's true powers: adaptability and resiliency.
The Punic Wars was fought before the Roman Empire. In fact, the Punic Wars against Carthage is what led to the Romans pretty much being unstoppable. After the Punic Wars, the Romans conquered land beyond Italy.
The Roman republic not the roman empire
@@a.jdeets5527 it also led to their eventual downfall
@@r32guy85 No it didn't, the fall of the repblic was over a hundred years after the final defeat of Carthage and the Empire lasted into the next two millenia if you count the Eastern Roman Empire.
@@lfcmike12 it Actually Did, in the long term. The spoils gained in the first, second and third punic war led to a massively enriched elite (those who survived that is), and a huge influx of slaves, leading to the Downfall of Plebeian family owned farms, forcing ordinary citizens to the cities. Land grants was a prerequisite to join the army, but by the fact the Marian reforms changed that it was already too late. Roman troops were no longer able to work as per a citizen militia, and foreign auxiliaries and mercenaries would be needed in the future
Their tactic in the Battle of Ecnomus was not actually a common tactic in land based warfare until Hannibal did it against them in the Second Punic War and gave them their worse military defeat on land at the Battle of Cannae.
@@DeReAntiqua lol it makes perfect sense with smaller formations of ships and worked plenty of other times in the ancient world. There were just way way too many in this battle.
But that’s not the tactic I’m talking about, luring them in by making the center feign retreat so they can collapse on the flanks and command all of the maneuvering space to pound them is literally what Hannibal did.
@@DeReAntiqua Have you missed the part that the battle consisted of hundreds of ships or are you just name dropping works that references naval battles with only dozens of ships? People really do pretend as experts whenever they read a mere couple history books huh.
@@DeReAntiqua My argument is that you have no valid source.
@@DeReAntiqua English please.
@@DeReAntiqua Are you seething? Edit: Did you just delete your comment lmao.
Both parts of this are great, and I am so happy they put them out back to back. I just hope it isn't too long before the sequels.
It's a lot of work tbh but I think Oversimplified has the 2nd Punic War ready sooner.
Quality over quantity is the best way to tell a story
Oversimplified fans when oversimplified doesnt upload for a year:
Well I have news for you🙂👍
@@sheevhernandez3869Now we just need for Punic Wars Season 2, Episode 3.
I really hope it gets picked up for a third season. 😂
I love when Oversimplified uploads cause you get triple content. Original, Mr Terry and Vlogging through history. It's actually very interesting to hear different history teachers styles and areas of expertise!
Mr. Terry: "It seems like this is one of those battles that you're not gonna be able to recover from... like losing that many men and that many ships is... you don't recover from that."
Me: *Laughs in part 2*
I DIDN’T HEAR NO BELL!
Best Day off in a long time, Oversimplified upload on one of my favorite historical eras, and Mr. Terry already reacting.
I'm always surprised at how Oversimplified's voice acting improves with each upload
He will die at Morgan Freeman level and become a religion thing.
@@neverable2 that's an crucifixion
@@thebandit0256yaaaaaeeee🎉
BTW -- Hannibal Barca (the famous one) is from the 2nd Punic War, not the first. His father was a general in this war, but he was a little kid.
thats the end of the 2nd part
There was estimated to be 250,000,000 people alive when the battle of ecnomus took place. that means 0.116 percent of the world's population was engaged in this battle.
Worded another way, for roughly every 850 human beings on the entire earth, 1 was fighting in the seas at the battle of Ecnomus. In the battle of Leyte Gulf, for every 11,500 human being on earth, 1 was fighting in the seas. Using this logic, the battle of Ecnomus was 13.5 times larger than the largest naval battle of the largest war in history by % of humans involved. Crazy, right?
The modern equivalent would be that in that battle, with the current population of seven billion people, some 15 million people would be engaged in that battle.
That reminds me of how the mongol invasion of Japan in 1200 something was the largest amphibious invasion until d-day
Plus pretty much any of China's ancient civil wars involve a significant fraction of the entire human race at the time.
@@bradenr867Excpet the mongals failed it
@@bangscutterChinese civil wars are just too much
It don’t count
JK
You'll be waiting a while for Hannibal, that was the Second Punic War.
"Sometimes, we even chopped their pets in half"
Me: I can accuse genocide, but I draw the line at animal cruelty
The originals are always good. Your commentary make them great. This was very quick after the release. Nice
Former history major... STEM took the degree...current history fan.
Love this channel
Yeah isn’t it weird that his content isn’t original and he is piggy backing off another author? It seems a bit like pirating to me just saying.
@@MacNCheezeWhiz why the fuck are you watching it if you dislike the video?
@@MacNCheezeWhiz pirating? This is free content you could find if you just went to oversimplified’s channel. And he did not claim any of the video was his own.
@@MacNCheezeWhiz this isn't pirating. whatever money these videos make will go to oversimplified including the ad revenue
MAN I haven't even watched it and u already react to it. You know what ? I'm gonna watch your reaction first. I fall asleep every night watching history documentaries, I know your channel for a long time and for 7 days I'm just binging on your content. I respect you allot man. If i would ever like to sit down with someone, drink a beer and talk about history I know who I'd pick.
Damn and I can’t drink
The problem with the Roman Kingdom was that while its basically impossible for it to have not existed at all, we don't know much about it. A lot of the writing was destroyed when celts sacked Rome over a century after the republic was founded. What we know comes from legends recounted by roman historians centuries after the fact, and archaeology.
After the Gaulic sack, Roman history becomes a bit more solid.
Bro I can’t even keep a paper in my house for a year before I accidentally rip it apart
I... kind of want to say the Roman's benefit from a longer war in this case as it would mean Carthage won't be able to trade as often as they would without the war. Since the Romans relied on farming and are able to make a fleet of ships within months, it seems like supply isn't too much of an issue. It just seems like Rome at the time would last longer.
Just wanted to point out 1st punic war ancient world War at the time great topic they picked something that doesn't get talked enough about.
What?
What?
What?
I lost half my braincells trying to understand what you meant
But I assume you meant that the punic wars are not talked about enough when we talk about ancient warfare(even tho it's kinda wrong especially for the 2nd one)
@@ajmiyessine3837 I sorry let me rephrase that for you the first punic war at the time was considered a World War at the time and yes the lack of 20th century technology doesn't seem like it however we and people from the ancient world do things differently but we same and when it comes warfare in terms supremacy of other people's stuff or territory the parallels are there.
The Punic Wars are probably the most impactful wars of antiquity, at least from a western perspective. Condisering western civilization is molded directly by Rome, if they had been defeated then everything we know would be different. Plus it's amazing. Horrible yet amazing. The first is a comedy of errors, the second nearly brought Rome to its knees, and the third was more of a genocide than a war. I'm surprised one of the major streaming services haven't started working on a series about it. Would make excellent television, plus it's an era that doesn't get as much attention as other era's in Rome.
Probably most important in all of wester history
2 years ago, the tomb of Romulus was discovered in the Roman Forum. I remember seeing a BBC video on it.
I minored in classics and am still getting a great laugh out of this video. Something not mentioned in the video is the curse of Queen Dido. The Romans also claimed Aeneas from the Aeneid as a founding myth for Rome, tying the Romans to the legendary Trojans. Aeneas stayed in Carthage for a while and got really friendly with Queen Dido (they did it in a cave during a storm), until Mercury told Aeneas to continue on his journey to find a place to build a new city for the Trojan people. In dispair, Dido burned all Aeneas' stuff and then threw herself into the fire, cursing Aeneas and his people's descendants that they and the Carthaginians would never know peace. This is used as foreshadowing for the Punic Wars, which the Romans would win.
Thanks for reacting to the video , love to see a history teachers perspective and opinion this video as I have a huge interest in history ( Got a grade B). Awesome video.
This idea of use of the xylospongium is sufficiently refuted.
I think they took that information from 2003 Lindsay and Patricia Watson, who had the opinion that the xylospongium was used "to wipe oneself after defecation" (as the Watsons wrote) and to clean and press it out in a channel or bucket.
I now want to state the current state of research, which also refuted the theory of Lindsay and Patricia Watson:
In 2009 on the Frontinus-Symposium the archaeologist Gilbert Wiplinger set up the theory, that the xylospongium would rather be used as a toilet brush, than as some cleaning method for roman butts. He also published it in 2012.
He tells us two findings, which tell us the real use of the channels:
1.
In the excavation in the fourth resedential unit of the second hillside house in Ephesus the
archaeologists found a noticeable amount of ceramic shards of one-handled jugs and scoops from which also several scoops could be reconstructed. Other vessels had graffiti scratched into them: χαιρε - meaning "happy performance" and καιρος - meaning "Choosing the right moment", which inevitably suggests sanitary use.
These vessels were also found in more recent excavations like in the latrina of domus A in Herdonia/Italy where also chamber pots were found.
Also under the tabernae of Cardo V Superiore in Herculaneum these vessels where found. These vessels were ideal to scoop fresh water out of the in front of the latrinae arranged channels.
In a two-room latrina east of the Decumanus in Allianoi the very shallow channels leads to several small in front of every seat arranged tanks, where the water would be scooped out with small jugs. This sort of little tanks was also found in the private latrina west to room 35b of residential unit 6 of the hillside house in Ephesus.
2.
In the peristyllatrine of the Varius bath in Ephesus on the east wall two dowel holes on the seat were arranged, in which still broken lead dowels were found.
These holes were found in between every other seat opening in which a vertical dowel was arranged. Because a horizontal pendant on the wall was missing, the dowels cannot be used for fixation of a partition wall.
So the rods were rather used to put on these above mentioned vessels, so they cannot drop into the latrine channel. So for every two people sitting next to each other a vessel was available, which they could put back over the dowel after use. The staff had a similar function as a modern toilet roll holder.
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These kind of toilets and vessels are still in use in the orient today.
In front of oriental toilets you will find a vessel, today rather made of plastic or aluminium, than out of ceramic. This vessel is filled with water and with the right hand one pours this water from behind of ones buttocks and cleans oneself with the left hand from below.
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Wiplinger further mentions:
The openings in the Roman latrine seats also had the ideal shape to use the cleaning process described above: The on the horizontal seat in the front section arranged circular opening goes with one more or less wide slot on the vertical panel over so that one could easily clean oneself with the left hand from the front.
Gemma Jansen has identified a specific quirk of the ephesian latrinae:
The opening edge of the seat is bevelled. This sort of bevel in the meantime were noticed at other latrinae.
This quirk now has a very practical purpose. The poured water out of the vessel could drain over the bevelled edge into the latrine channel and did not stay on the seat.
The archaeologist Mark Robinson found in Herculaneum several scraps of fabric in a cesspool, stating that these rather were used as ancient toilet paper.
Coming to xylospongia, there are three reasons, why the xylospongium has not been used to clean ones buttocks after defecation:
1. If you just impale a sponge onto a wooden stick, the sponge drops in to the latrine channel during the cleaning process and the stick itself can cause wounds.
2. If one fixes the sponge using a cord or leather cord, the sponge looses its sucking and cleaning effect.
3. Why use a stick anyway? The cleaning process would be much easier with the sponge itself.
In an inscription on a wall painting in the therme of the seven wise men of Ostia under the wise man Thales of Miletus one can read: "(u)taris xylosphongio" - xylosphongium, you are needed.
Did the average Romans need a reminder from a philosopher to wipe off their butt?
And do you really think the Romans, that had those excellent hygiene and sanitary facilities, shared a device to wipe of their butts, which also was not just dangerous because of the sharp edges of the stick causing wounds, also according to spread diseases and maybe to trigger epidemics?
But I really enjoy your videos! Greetings from Germany!
Dear lord….have much free time on your hands?…or do you routinely write novels in your spare time? 🤪
@@brittking3990 I wrote it one time a few years ago and just copied it.
I love how all the history fans on UA-cam hurried to watch the new Oversimplified video and everyone’s reactions on it
31:54 The Romans, even though Rome had some anti war sentiment within its government, in the end, it was anti war sentiment within the Carthaginian government that finally ended the war.
Even in the modern day, jingoism can work wonders to a certain extent. Also the defensive side usually benefits in a war of attrition, cases in point being Vietnam and Afghanistan.
@@akilanelango8997 I'd say thay it's not really the defensive side that benefits from a war of attrition, but rather the side that has greater resolve, Rome was the aggressor in the First Punic War, but still won, largely due to sheer Roman determination and resolve.
I really like ancient Rome stuff so any rome series will rank high for me. If he ever does Caesar/Augustus I can't wait for those...Caligula, Commodus and other emperors as well
15:50 Nice old Simpsons reference. I love it.
Pointing out obvious pop culture references in Oversimplified videos? You'd better believe that's a paddlin'!
Epic! Thank you for reacting to this!
Mr. Terry, I have two questions:
1). Galaga or Space Invaders?
2). What was the most important of the four battles in the Chattanooga area (Chickamauga, Chattanooga, Above the Clouds, and Missionary Ridge) and why?
"how much trouble could someone really cause in one year"
Yea modern history seems to be trying to test that out it seems.
My teacher explained us about Punic wars a few months ago but she clearly missed alot of "important parts" so I am gonna show this to her
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!
4:13 I like how he's snuck a little art lesson in at the beginning. Those "slides" are all famous 17th century paintings. 2 Rubens and a Goya. Not sure who did the wolf sculpture.
It's amazing that one single ship being on it's own allowed Rome to match Carthage, and essentially changed world history from that point. I love history for the little details like that
I love how we are all so excited about oversimplified
Oversimplified will always outdue themselves
Mr terry was ready for the oversimplified vid we been waiting so long
happy start to the new yeawr mr terry!
Me: "I'll never be a simp,"
Oversimplified: *Uploads*
Me: "Whatever you require my king!"
Glad you mentioned the harbor, it's amazing that it's still there
The strait of Messina can actually be a dangerous crossing for smaller craft, there are pretty strong currents (and whirlpools) depending on the tides. Its also where the mythical Scylla and Charybdis were supposed to have lived. Apparently over the centuries however repeated earthquakes have caused the seabed to change enough that the apparent giant whirlpool of ancient times isn't able to form anymore.
Mad Respect for not skipping the Sponsor, I don't even skip the sponsor.
You definitely add more to it Mr. Terry. As I wear my Mariokart themed Hitler and Stalin shirt, I want to thank you for your commentary and I look forward to your next video.
Awesome work!
There where a lot of Carthaginians named Hannibal. It was their equivalent of John. I'm being literal. John comes from the Hebrew Yohannan, meaning Grace of G-d. Hannibal means grace of Ba'al.
Barca means either Blessed or Lightning. We'd need to see it in the Phonecian alphabet to be sure which.
I thought the same about the supply line at first. (18:20) But the northern parts of sicilly are mountainous, they probably didn't just cross the strait and carried everything southwest. That would have been pretty hard. A fleet is much more useful for transportation in that situation.
I hope you get the bucket plushies. I have seen the war of the bucket, probably well over 100+. I love watching these before bed, I find them so relaxing.
When Oversimplified brought up the fact that the winners of sieges would pillage and plunder cities and sell the survivors as slaves, and the fact it was so common throughout the ancient world all the way up to the medieval world, its heartbreaking to hear.
I've been a fan of a well-known series called Vinland Saga, and that anime has really shown how dark and cruel that fate is for the civilians. Every time I think of that scenario, my heart drops.
Mr. Terry, I am an absolute fan of your content. As a history nerd and an anime fan myself, I highly recommend the series Vinland Saga. A show about Vikings and how one can change as a human being. Enough shilling for Vinland Saga, now I'll go re-watch the next part again, as I have numerous times with many other videos. :)
I wish this man was my history teacher because he seems like he’s that teacher that every student loves and is genuinely exited for his classes
Also Do your students watch oversimplified in class on like the chill days you know
Not late for this one, Love the reaction!
"Until Punic Wars, Rome mostly fought smaller groups"
Kingdom of Epirus: Are we a joke to you?
Fun fact, the Samaritans in the 1st century claimed that the Hebrew people were also from Sidon (which would be more accurate, but still wrong).
Another error, Rome also had "emperors" as Imperator was the title for something like conquering general, and the Roman leaders didn't take that title until after the 3rd century crisis.
at 262 bc, it was only 10 years after the Pyrrhus said "If we are victorious in one more battle with the Romans, we shall be utterly ruined." or something (wikipedia). Looks like no one paid attention.
I was just thinking about it a few days ago, when will a new Oversimplified video drop, while watching your reactions to the old ones.
If you`re going after punic war videos for a bit, I`d have a recommendation coming to my mind. Bit of an older video but brilliant in my opinion. Content creator called "Invicta" who used to do millitary history videos about the classic an medival times. He used to put together the visuals by using footage of the total war series games. Which worked pretty well. His masterpiece in my opinion is a five part series about the battle of canae in the nd punic war. You should check some of Invicta`s stuff out. Also had a series about the first punic war. Especially the parts about how the romans copied and improved the naval warefare was interresting.
I really love that big wars always start with the smallest things 😅😑
Me having spent over a days worth of time finding any information about the First Punic War
oversimplified cuts my research time in half xD
Mr Terry: Losing that many men, and that many ships, you don't recover from.
First Punic War Rome: Hold my beer.
To be fair, Rome did have a lot of luck in both, the first and second Punic wars that their allies didn't abandon them (same with Pyrrhus) when they got their shit kicked in. Like Cannae. They were willing to throw men at a problem until it was gone, and with it's Socii network, Rome could draw on more "expandable" Manpower than other city states. And the Roman mentality was "either we win, or we go down swinging!" Even if their opponent offered very good terms.
@@undertakernumberone1 a lot of their allies not abandoning them was fear of reprisal. Look at the Macedonian wars. Macedon twice broke their treaties with Rome, and Rome came down hard on them.
@@gilliganallmighty3 That still includes luck, the luck that their allies ered on the side of causion. Had they defected to Pyrrhus or Hannibal, rome might've been done for.
Kinda ironic that the Social wars then happened.
@@undertakernumberone1 true, but even so, it happened, hence my joke.
As an italian I love to small italian stereotypes in the video also , a Carthiginian general breaths: THAT'S A CRUCIFIXION
Exactly the man I wanted to see a reaction from 👍
bunda
Terry: You thought the romans did the crucifixions, huh ?
Christians: Dude, uncool !
Finally, a new one.
the Assyrians certainly invented the aqueduct, but it was the roman arch (the arch being a roman invention) that turned those aqueducts into the famous works of engineering we see still standing today (they also invented several types of concrete including a type that would harden under water, allowing them to build some of the greatest harbors in human history).
I think the Carthaginians would benefit from a longer conflict since they were wealthy from all the trading they did and had better naval capabilities than the Romans so logistically they had an advantage
Extra Credit did a series on the second Punic War.
It was also the first history series they did.
One nice attention to detail is that the Roman senate building is the older round one, and not the Curia Julia which was built by Caesar that you see all the time.
19:06 that "oooooooooooooh" gives me life
About the question of who benefits from a longer war, as we will see in the second part and even in the second Punic war, no doubt the bellicose Romans. Their economy is based mostly on war at that time. Meanwhile, The cartaginesi needed to give away a lot of trading resources to keep them is this long ass conflict.
I knew somebody would do this the exact day the video released
Oh my my you caught my attention with reacting to oversimplified and you sealed the deal with that lovely pip boy In the background
7:12 It’s possible that this is the deity that Biblical texts refer to as ‘Moloch.’ Legend has it that a huge bronze statue of Moloch would have a furnace built into it, and when the furnace was lit, infants would be placed in the scalding hands of the statue, with priests drumming in order to drown out the screams.
I’d say a longer war benefits the Carthaginians, they have a better economy and larger empire by this point. In a war of attrition it is likely they would win, assuming they could resupply.
Although an argument could be made that war does hurt trade, but most of their trade was water based and Roman ships had demonstrated a lack of speed, meaning to simply trade you could “outrun” the enemy fleets.
They had a wider spread empire, but it wasn't necessarily larger. A lot of it was coastal areas controlled by a carthaginian town or city, trading with the native people in the area. Italy meanwhile had a good number of greek towns and cities by that point.
Good video my guy
The harbor in Carthage (called a “cothon”) was the inspiration for the Bentus in Homeworld 2, which is even referred to as “the great harbor ship”
That part of him taking a jab at his subs was REALLY fun y
Every time Oversimplified uploads, my reaction is identical to Millie in episode 2 of Helluva Boss when Blitzø announced they were going to LooLoo Land. I have broken so many windows with my head.
Ngl bumper ships sounds fun minus the drowning at sea
I'm pretty sure rome wanted to conquer the entire meditteranean just so that they didn't have to worry about enemy naval fleets. I know thats partly why I do it when I'm playing rome 2, having to deal with enemy boats is annoying XD
Reaction channels be like: *our content*
honestly that's pretty lazy
Its probably the Romans that profit from a longer war here. Because if we look at it from an economic perspective they don't have to run a whole trade network! But on the other hand the Carthaginians need the island of Sicily to run their trade empire more effectivlly. The Romans won way more in the long run from this war, cuz the longer they fought the longer did the Carthaginian trade partners saw Carthage as weak! Plus the navy XP was benificial for Rome. TL:DR : Rome got: A semi profesional navy, more trade partners, 3 new islands to add to thier CV and a humiliation or thier rival. The Carthaginians got: Bad "press", loss of territory and trade partners plus debt. Soooo Roma Invicta:D
When I first saw oversimplified uploaded this video I thought of you!
When you release 2 videos on UA-cam and they become the top 2 trending videos in a matter of days and your only response is "Love to see it." You know you are doing something right
That was fast. Never expected a part on the same day
Ikr
I just noticed that Turtles in Time cabinet in the background, I have the same one at work
How do you get anything done? 😂
This is the kind of cool history teacher to play oversimplified in class 👌
I never knew the Romans were such copycats, but frankly, I think that makes them even cooler. They were keen observers in battle, and they could take any weapon their enemies used, replicate it, improve it, then use it against them. Some might call that lazy and underhanded, but I think it's pretty badass.
Reading Machiavelli's The Prince, one of the few things I remember was never to rely solely on Mercenaries, and when you have thd chance of preventing your foe from growing more and more stronger preemtive warfare was the best option. Which two of those things were mentioned here, like how the Carthaginians relied on a lot of mercenaries.
Oversimplified posted, Christmas came early.
Can't even wait for the second Punic War
The bigger side or side on the defensive would get more from a longer war as long as they have logistics in the area
It is so funny when you have captions on and at the beginning you can see that the child’s name is timmylous
this oversimplified video reminds me of rome 2 total war
the one thing they did forget with the beginning of Rome was them and the other Latins are descendants from Aeneas of Troy which is also a legend
I was legit just watching the video, when i came across ur reaction
“Rome was an empire before they were ruled by an emperor” yup, I’ve said that for years.
Also think about this, with the Seige at Agrigentum. The Defensive side of the battle usually (not always) is a small garrison of troops, so it'ss very possible that those 7,000 losses, was a good bunch, it not all of the defenders.
Corvus means Raven, because it was shaped like a Raven's beak
@@DeReAntiqua makes sense rome has tons of those. It makes sense they’d use it and got lucky with the wind that day. They probably stopped because when anyone learned about actual ship combat as they took over mare nostrum it became a dumber and dumber idea. Rome won all the time with bad tactics, that only won because of their grit and discipline and because their enemies assumed what they were doing was impossible. That’s also the conditions of the rare times they lost big, by just underestimating their foe. It doesn’t have to be so extreme to not account for a grain of truth, there’s plenty we don’t have archeological record for, hell we don’t know how to make greek fire and it protected Constantinople for 1000 years so that’s hardly a compelling reason to dismiss the whole thing. But i know how hard it is to interpret from one side’s ill informed version of history so I can believe it’s not all it was sold as, but the idea their only actual advantage at sea was somehow decisive makes sense even if their contraption made no sense.
Like Archimedes death ray is dumb and crazy and clearly a much later fabrication, but there is evidence he made a giant ship crushing crane to protect Syracuse’s harbor. So insane feats of engineering that we can’t imagine our way into with our modern understanding of the tech and conditions were possible and did happen even of they aren’t as grandiose as the story’s sells them
@@DeReAntiqua lol that’s a leap too. I don’t know how to build an Quinqureme, I doubt you do either and frankly til someone’s tried to make it work and failed, it seems far more reasonable than many other things that actually happened in history. People have made far less reasonable things happen before, like how the Polynesians basically for sure made trips too and from Columbia crossing the most gigantic and tempestuous part of the ocean. I bet they got lucky with the weather for a season, it was a shittier ladder than we think, and then once 200000 people died horribly as a result of their terribly unstable boats they learned.
I haven’t read the thing recently as to why it’s impossible, but seriously a solid 35% of those, even from good historians get proven wrong and some just show they lack imagination. However I do buy that the story of the battle was literally just the battle of Cannae thrust back in time onto it to explain something that clearly didn’t work out and that they didn’t understand anyways (or none of it was right, cool that we have boats to check now).
Why didn’t we reinvent concrete til the 1800’s after forgetting it in the 450’s. Why couldn’t we make it as good as the Roman’s til 2010? Cause that shit happened all the time. Plus naval warfare involved more scorpions, slingers, fire ships and archers after this point- Egypt was famous for their archers on boats. Pretty good reasons to not board if they have marines, especially without suprise it’s like bringing one nice ladder to a seige and putting all your hopes on it. It’s good as a suprise not as a fundamentally sound way to reinvent the matchup, watch starcraft sometime; dumb creative shit that takes advantage of a player’s strength beats what’s objectively a better strategic plan all the time.
Etruscans sucked at boats too as far as we know, they always had the greeks and carthage to do the work for them. Samnites and Latins were no better. Maybe greeks, they always hated each other enough that some would side with Rome, but not very long after Pyrrhus right?
The Carthaginian circular harbor is still pretty cool to look at it’s in Tunisia now
According to Sun Tzu in The Art Of War, there is no nation that can fully benefit from a long war, every nation or combatant is eventually going to wear out one way or another, whether through supply shortage or general tiredness in the population and the toll it takes on them.