Can we just talk about how well Gege illustrated Sukuna's evil smiles throughout the GOJO fight? bro was cracked out 😂. I can't wait until they're animated
Another Sukuna defense feat is when he took a second or so to awaken after getting hit with a 9 second Unlimited Void. It's insane because the disaster curses were out for 5 mins after just taking a measly 0.2s UV, while the normal humans around were out for 2 whole months lol
Why would a human have a brain 100x stronger/more resistant to UV than Mahito/other special grades, which Gege stated are especially resistant to. @@patrician9055
That's kind of a flawed statement, ABD overlooking stuff as usual. Even if it's an untamed Mahoraga, a 10S user with a bunch of cursed tools can be enough to prevent the 6 eyes + limitless user from one shotting Mahoraga by disrupting the technique, especially if the user has ISOH. Remember Sukuna cannot freely go hand to hand vs Gojo because he needs Mahoraga to keep up because he cannot use DA and 10S at the same time, using DA will unsummon the shikigamis.
@@mmshkYes, but if the six eyes user of the past was as strong as Gojo, his ten shadows opponent would have to be Sukuna’s level to protect Mahoraga, survive, and kill the six eyes user. Even Sukuna with probably higest CE amount in history (twice Yuta) + cleave and dismantle as backup + open domain + insane battle iq got Mahoraga destroyed. If the past Mahoraga managed to Ikill the six eyes user, then that six eyes user is not as strong as Gojo.
@@rattakritrattanapantowong6173 You can't read can you? Sukuna cannot use 2 CTs at once nor use DA and TS at the same time, that's why he cannot attack as he wishes. Whereas a 10S user can attack freely independent of Mahoraga, so stating cleave + dismantle, open domain, etc is meaningless in the context of 10S vs limitless + 6 eyes
@@mmshk You're the one who failed to read and comprehend because that 10S user would still have to be somewhere near Sukuna to give a Gojo level opponent a decent fight not to mention Sukuna directly has a DE which kept unlimited void in check, So yeah it's a pretty accurate statement to say that the past six eyes+limitless user was not at the same level as Gojo. It is simply way too much of a reach to even think that someone with an untamed mahoraga was able to kill a Gojo lmao, not to mentioned Gojo literally managed to exorcise a TAMED mahoraga even after it had adapted, you smoking the good kush.
The challenger is usually the first one to attack cause they feel like they have something to prove so it was pretty ironic when gojo called sukuna the challenger here when gojo was the first one to attack
Yeah Gojo understood the situation, he didn't want to hold back and wanted a last time to be supported by his friends, really though I feel Todo would have been a good partner for him late into the fight.
I think this debate can only be done correctly after Sukuna's death. Because right now there are a lot of missing piece of the puzzle, mainly Sukuna. We still don't know what's left in his arsenal. So I think we should debate about this after the fights end.
Sukuna is studying, learning and upgrading his technique during the fight. He loves his cleave technique that he's not wasting anytime to upgrade it like using maho to learn to cut and bypass gojo's infinity. Truly sukuna is more of a sorcerer than a fighter
Reminds me of when he called Yorozu's CT inefficient, really demonstrates how even though his Shrine ( if it's only cleave& dismantle) is less superior to Limitless, he could evolve it somehow and make it even better, that there's no need for an OP technique if you could just improve upon the existing CT one way or the other
@@johnfishee1048Are you a child? If you read your comment before you posted it you’d understand how illogical it is. Something doesn’t have to be out right stated (which it was) to be true
Sukuna’s main goal wasn’t just killing Gojo but to grow even stronger. Sukuna viewed simply killing Gojo as a waste of opportunity for growth. With that in mind, it makes sense why he fought the way he did
@@soltragedy5010 I don't believe that Sukuna was or just stronger than Gojo just some factors helped him and we all nee that Satoru must be die coz of plot and Sujuna must be survive as i expext but author gave him nee power up it means Gojo f......
The weird thing I noticed is that megumi’s body was effected by the brain damage making sukuna unable to use domain expansion he didn’t even realize that happened and started to bleed profusely worse from the eyes and nose because a tiny bit of gojo’s was just needed to make his damage worse.
Sukuna's Brain damage was severe cause right before UV sukuna destroyed his brain like gojo to heal his burnout curse technique and right after destroying his brain he got a massive attack on his brain, I think he ignored it because of his ego he thought "nah, I'm fine'.
meh it makes no sense the more reliable option is it was because he was affected for 9 second by the uv since 0.2 second is like 3 months worth of information and he was stuck in there for 9 second safe to say it was because of uv
why is it always the gojo fan who won't accept the fact that Sukuna is stronger in any form yujikuna, megukuna or his original heian Sukuna they all would have won these gojo fans in the comment section are going wild they will kill Gege rather than accepting the fact
Sukuna’s simply superior, not only was he holding back his heian form that would’ve given him the full advantage in terms of raw strength but he didn’t even fully reveal his CT, not to mention he literally tanked every single attack but infinite void Also his RCT is superior to Gojo’s, Sukuna brought Yuji back from the dead & can heal other sorcerers while Gojo cannot
I'm convinced that most weebs like you lack reading comprehension. It's not that Sukuna was holding back, it's just that he didn't bother to use his entire arsenal (except Mahoraga) simply because it wouldn't work against Gojo.
@@Ivan-bg1jp Well pal, you can't force this theory to be 100% right, it can be, but till now its not. Have you seen other techniques of Sukuna? if not, How can you literally conclude that it won't work? and plzz don't give that dumb statement that he didn't used it against gojo that's why. Like seriously? it's even mentioned in Video also that there were ton of sorcerers watching their battle in screen, and after gojo loses, they were ready to jump him. Then why tf sukuna should show his full arsenal? So that other sorcerers observe it and find it weakness? c'mon like no smart person in existence would never do that dumb shit.
@@Ivan-bg1jp In future, if manga shows other technique of Sukuna, then we can conclude whether or not his technique will work against Infinity. Just accept the fact that Sukuna is superior to gojo. Bro if you had even watched this video properly, you would have gotten full idea yourself.
@@Ivan-bg1jp He was holding back lmfao, he took a riskier route to upgrade his technique. Otherwise he wouldve destroyed gojos domain from the inside instead of stalling for adaptions etc
Sukuna is evenly matched with Gojo in terms of martial arts from the fight, but Gojo mostly won the hand to hand combat because he used his limitless to throw Sukuna around and get openings
And that matters because? That's Gojo using his technique along with his martial arts to be more effective. Imagine if someone said that Sukuna's martial arts only got better because he has 4 arms instead of 2 arms now. Ok? What's your point.
He had RCT so he didn't need to, what's the point of dodging something if it's not gonna hurt you basically. Yes I'm aware that in the end that's what got him, but still
@@manosbaroulakis9446 He was shown to be unable to react to Dismantle when it was firsted used in chapter 224, I believe it was. And he was again unable to react to Mahoraga's slash. It makes sense entirely that he wouldn't be able to react to Sukuna's dismantle the second time it was used as well
Sukuna is a perfect fighter all around with his only flaw being how much he gambled on Mahoraga identifying a weakness in neutral infinity, while Gojo is a close second his only weakness is that he relies on the invulnerability that neutral limitless gives him. Even without his neutral limitless no one else in the verse would be able to beat him but when faced with an near equal opponent it really came down to seeing who’s weakness could be exploited faster, a way around neutral limitless without having to use domain amplification because it would shut off his innate technique or Sukuna playing too risky and exposing himself to Unlimited Void allowing for Gojo to land a Hollow Purple completely unblocked.
Sukuna's confidence in his all calculations and powers is what always gets me...I mean he is entitled to have that confidence with all the knowledge and experience. Gambling 😀 do be looking fun after reading hakari's fight.
Yes, I agree with your analysis. Sukuna and Gojo are both perfect fighters all around, with only minor flaws. Sukuna's flaw is that he is a gambler, and he is willing to take risks even if it means putting himself in danger. Gojo's flaw is that he relies too heavily on his neutral Limitless technique.
A lot of the top tiers are very similar in jjk, whenever they’re put in a real fight they always tend to risk it all instead of playing safe and that’s why their technique and thus their strength always seem to grow
By near equal opponent you def mean sukuna is definitely stronger. There was no gamble. Sukuna could turn into Heian era form at any moment and just kill gojo and return to 100% health but also with buffs. Nothing was stopping sukuna from doing that and just domain expanding when gojo was still unable to. Nothing but the option of upgrading his tech. Gojo didn’t even get pass the first of 2 health bars in his boss fight against the king of curses. Stop tip riding. Sukuna was NEVER in danger. At all.
Now I think about it sukuna really out here using different techniques like it’s nothing 😂 literally overlooked kinda how he used megumis body way better than megumi himself, did things even megumi could never ever do 😂 Sukuna is literally the definition of a Jujutsu sorcerer. Can’t wait to see who will stop him, could someone be even stronger than sukuna 👀
I feel sorry for fellow gojo fans. Why can’t y’all take the fact that he could have killed gojo in 3 chapters if he brought back his body or actually tried instead of the author making a story out of it.. sukuna comes out on top either way. Gojo said it himself
Not i am not sure and , I would lose are 2 very diffrent things. Also sukuna would have died in 3 chapters also if he didn't have info about gojos domain from yuji , so heian era sukuna wouldn't and he would simply get hit by uv and die in 3 chapters , he should have died in chapter 229 but plot of course.
Get over the Gojo would beat Sukuna debate !! Gojo admitted in the end that Sukuna is way stronger than him. He said that he used all his powers and years of training in the fight, but it wasn't enough. Sukuna has 4 arms and multiple mouths , he can chant multiple techniques at once while engaging in hand to hand combat . Furthermore how can y'all say Gojo can straight out defeat Sukuna when WE DO NOT KNOW HIS CURSE TECHNIQUE YET !!! The man purposely refrained from using his full power against Goji , meanwhile Goji went all out . I love Goatjo but he got his cheeks clapped , that fight was enjoyable but Sukuna toyed with him no matter how you look at . Give up the theories and assumptions , the author of the manga said what he said all comments there after are irrelevant .
THANK YOU. This literally isn't even a debate it's literally right there, in the same chapter that sukuna beats gojo, gojo specifically says that mahoraga or not he didn't know if he could beat sukuna. This implies that sukuna has more tricks up his sleeve even if he didn't have mahoraga.
Gojo did not admit that "Sukuna is way stronger than him" He was only doubting whether he would still win against Sukuna if he didn't have the ten shadow ability. If you're going to share information, do so correctly atleast.
@@vegitogamer8424 does it matter anymore?!?!? Gojo is dead and Sukuna was written to be what he is currently in the manga !! After seeing everything currently unfolding in the manga do you think GOJO would stand a chance if Sukuna used his full form like he is now ?!?! IMO Gojo’s fate was sealed since the chapter Sukuna told him he was the first one he’s going put down once he gets out
It's nice having someone give the best explanation to everyone on why heian sukuna wins, I've thought of all the points in the vid but to have someone make a video on it is just amazing
You do know DE exist right? And sukuna can overwhelm him there and end him quicker? If sukuna wasnt 0.01 sec late casting domain gojo wouldve died there becuz he has braindamage and sukuna wouldve never been hit by UV
Sukuna is literally like Thanos. Many thinks that he may not be that strong without infinity stones but he is powerful enough to be the most worthy being to use infinity stones unlike any other beings in the MCU
Not really. Considering Thanos got clowned by a fat Thor and Captain America in Endgame pre-Infinity Stones and one of his opponents was at his best but was just a human on super-steroids, and the other was most certainly not at their best. Honestly, quite a fair portion of the Avengers would have the ability to take down pre-Infinity Stones Thanos. It be a tough fight but nothing they can't achieve without some moxie. Sukuna, it's hard to humor anyone beating him at this point. Only reason people say Yuji is because "he's the main character" but outside of that, there isn't much evidence. While Thanos is strong, he wasn't to the point of being monstrously invincible relative to who he was going up against. Sure, he beat Hulk that one time. Most of the other fights he utilized the Infinity Stones.
@@GoodwillWright Thanos may had to rely on infinity stones to defeat avengers in infinity war but he is the one who was able to use those stones far better than than any avenger hero in the mcu. And this what Sukuna has also done in Megumi's body. Many fans thought Sukuna couldn't have done anything to Gojo without Megumi's body but he was powerful enough to use Megumi's skill to that point where no characters in jjk manga except Gojo and Kenjaku was able to use their own skill to that level
@@SyanvCian I know that. But the point of difference is that even without Megumi's body, he is still a nigh unbeatable threat. Thanos doesn't quite fit that. Thanos is strong without the Infinity Stones, but the Avengers have a roster of powerful characters that could give him a run for his money, or outright beat him like Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, probably Hulk if he were in a better place. Prime Thor, etc... While with Sukuna, the only person pre-plot who could have had a chance of beating him was Gojo and even that had doubts. Again, I just think respective to the story, Sukuna serves as a different kind of threat compared to Thanos. Not to mention their motivations.
Is this even debatable? It is heavily implied that Heian Era Sukuna is simply superior, and it is highly unlikely Gojo could have contested him in the domain fight in his true form. Gojo himself acknowledges Sukuna's superiority and that he did not go all out. We still don't even have the reveal of his curse technique.
@@sauravagnihotri8156except for the fact that gojo lost every domain battle,and the last one he was able to escape because he damaged sukuma to the point where he couldnt keep up domain(gojo tards purposely forget that sukuna wasnt using rct to heal himself),so not one time has gojo lv has won over a malevolent shrine which is not even casted by a full power sukuna
@@sauravagnihotri8156 They were evenly matched in refinement, but only Sukuna could destroy Gojo's domain by attacking the barrier itself since Sukuna has a barrierless domain. With his added strength and speed of his true form, and the ability to use incantations and an extra set of arms (which allows him to fight while doing handsings), Gojo would not have the same options. Moreover, Sukuna only tanked blows to setup up Mahoraga. Gojo himself notes that Sukuna is making it harder on himself for no reason he could discern...the reason which is later revealed to be his Mahoraga strategy. Gojo would just have lost in the domain stage against Heian Sukuna.
Finally someone who can truly understand the battle and not one of those toxic fans who keeps spouting nonsense which is a extremely disrespectful to the author and to Gojo himself
@@soraceant Nah, the fans are rabid simply because their favorite character died. You'd assume most of them were illiterate if you looked at their arguments.
@@usnairframer go to 18:20 and see the difference between you an a real Gojo fan. Gojo is definitely strong but it doesn't change the fact that he lost and I guess in the perspective of a delusional Gojo fans they think he can't be defeated unless he was cheated which is why those toxic fans came up with their own story while they forgot that Gojo isn't invincible (proof: Sukuna was able to cut him during their Domain Expansion battle) but he's just way stronger compared to the other characters that would of course exclude Sukuna
@@LaBoys4Gojo's only method of dealing with Malevolent Shrine is to damage Sukuna to the point where he can't maintain his domain anymore, It would have taken longer to damage four armed Sukuna.
Gojo admitted Sukuna was stronger but also said he doesn’t know if he could win even without Sukuna having Maharaga. I hate that Gege made Gojo make both of those statements because it kind of leave a debate still.
Right, and the only thing Gojo stans care about is his superiority over others, so you can't get away with claiming Gojo > Heian Sukuna anymore. Seethe.
@@jirenthegray5776 I mean gojo carried the series😂😂... It's like Messi carrying Barca ... One made series op and other mede team op so ... Yeah people will remember jjk and first thing which comes to their would be gojo doesn't matter if he is the strongest or not .... So yeah there are always gonna be gojo stans and in opposite there will be sukuna stans
@@vatsaljanani7603no he didn’t carry shit. He isn’t even in 50% of the chapters. You just need to come out the closet and stop munching gojos meat for a living
lol instead of tryna be special to get the creators attention. think how many fans like you come to comments for open discussions and opinions about what's going on in the manga. chill out its a community
It really just came down to bypassing Limitless, Sukuna had a counter for every ability Gojo possessed outside of limitless, but Sukuna realized he couldn’t harm what he couldn’t touch, and once he saw Megumi use Mahoraga he found his way to defeat Saturo Gojo, the whole fight was basically him using himself as a punching bag while Mahoraga adapted to limitless, once that happened he no longer needed Megumi’s body or the 10 Shadows
@bruhbruh8892 no what i am trying to say is, people are saying that sukuna could amp his dismantels using hand signs, but domain expansions are stated to be the peak of jujutsu. So i am pretty sure sukunas dismantles are already at their max power inside his domain.
@bruhbruh8892 also even if sukuna used chants to increase the power of his dismantle it wouldn’t matter because without the domain expansion, sukunas dismantle won’t touch gojo.
He is from 1000 yr old heian era... He was even yhe strongest in those era... He is not some small fry neither is he stupid to face someone directly... He planned out the whole battle.. he wasn't lying when he said he knows real jujutsu... He just finds loophole for every technique... He even tamed the divine general which was impossible feat for the zen'in as well..
@@knull9499 he knew what he was but didn't know how his ability functioned mahoraga is the "crown jewel" of the zenin clan the zenin clan is hundreds of years old of course sukuna would know of mahoraga's existence
I've more or less been thinking about this since the end of the battle, and I think part of why sukuna defeated gojo the way he did, was because he cared more about being able to slice through infinity, rather than defeating Gojo.
Gojo is my boy(like he is everyone elses)but Sakuna is on a different level without Megumi's techniques....I think it comes down to the experience Sakuna has and his vast knowledge of what curse energy is
sukuna needs to pull off an attack that he couldn't come up with in a 1000 years of life, I can't lie unless sukuna is extremely lucky he is not pulling that off without mahoraga.
impossible to say this because we've never seen a Original Sakuna without 10 shadows and without knowledge of who Gojo & his technique is, fight Gojo. Think about it. Sakuna himself stated that he learned how to adapt to anything because of Mahoraga. Meaning...If he didn't have Mahoraga, he wouldn't have found a way to beat Gojo.
Wait... Im confused. Has anyone even watched the video before they commented? Im seeing still seeing stuff like "Sukuna still needed Mahoraga" or "Gojo wins the domain clashes." When the video literally addresses both of those. One comment said "When did the manga say gojo was stronger." Again, already addressed by multiple instances. Is there some kind of joke, or is it just a bunch of gojo glazers in denial.
@@sauravagnihotri8156 I thought theyve already mentioned Sukuna wasnt even using amplification when they were fighting hand to hand in the first place. So if Sukuna could have at least weaken gojo a little through the means of martial arts. Also, Sukuna has his domain. He still has win conditions to fight Gojo, and that whole time he was taking risks. Heian form Sukuna would definitely triumph over Gojo in domain clashes. Without Heian, it's probably a close fight. All Sukuna has to do is to run time, and Gojo's stamina will get drained along with his CE. While Sukuna supposedly has tons more CE than Gojo, which should be easy. Even with six eyes, Gojo couldn't keep up with the battle of CE reserves.
The thing is, storytelling wise, Sununa had to win, but Gege also had to make an epic fight between Gojo and Sukuna, for the Gojo Fans. But there is not much epic fighting potential when Sukuna‘s technique is simply cutting. He had the decision to end the fight in one chapter with one clean cut or extend it to make Gojo fans happy.
I'm truly a Gojo fan but this video proves that Gojo really had no chance of winning against any of the versions of Sukuna. Bro was even holding back 😭
Him “holding back” I think means that literally anything else in his arsenal won’t work on Gojo except for Mahoraga, Malevolent Shrine, and domain amplification. Most of his arsenal was blocked off because of Gojo’s infinity, for example Yorozu’s gift that can strike lightning at opponents, which would’ve been fairly useless against Gojo.
Even GOJO himself declarations are coping by his own fans 🤡🤡🤡🤡 I feel bad for him to have the dumbest fanbase of Anime history 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. This video is just Perfect, even the hits Gojo landed at sukuna was just on purpose(the Wheel) the Fight would be faster if sukuna wasn't just Grambling around for fun and studying (Even Gojo himself stated that sukuna was taking the most difficults ways on purpose but fans are 🤡) . With HEIAN sukuna sorry but Gojo has less chances of winning cause in Domains clashs Sukuna would win everytimes and push Gojo brain to Fried and even inside the domains instead of just using cleaves sukuna could One shot Gojo with Thunder weapon that literally SPEEDBLITZ kashimo, Gojo, without limitless here would be dead and in hand to hand Sukuna can restrain him with two hands and another hands just doing domain expansion mudra 😂 or just throwing him the thunder. C'MON Gojo fans just accept he's the Second One.
Sukuna quite literally stuck with Megumi's body as a form of training. Similar to DBZ characters using weighted clothing, Sukuna weakened himself in order to grow stronger and permanently remove the threat of the Limitless + Six Eyes combo
That’s fan canon bro and it’s made up. like you genuinely made that up 😭 Sukuna was plotting on megumi since day one cause he KNEW how strong the 10 shadows was. The easiest way to debunk this argument is by asking the question. If sukuna used megumis body as a means to nerf himself, why not stay in yujis who has no cursed technique and no inate domain.
@@QrowTheGoat If you read the fight between Sukuna and Gojo, Sukuna literally explained that he used Mahoraga to be able to learn how to cut through infinity. Kenjaku also asked Sukuna if he sticking with Megumi's form instead of turning back into his Heian era form and Sukuna replies "for now". I never said he knew he was going to use Mahoraga from the start of his interest in Megumi since he didn't know about it, but the moment Mahoraga was gone and he had no more use for the 10 Shadows, he reverted back to his Heian era form since he gained his new world cutting slashes.
@@upliftlizard1715 Yeah he used Maho to bypass infinity because he literally had NO other way, if he did then he definitely would have use his Heian form 😭
@@kev6979 Heian era would have won likely in the first round, seeing as he has 4 arms, hand to hand would be much more in his favour and he (likely) has better raw stats, so he wouldn't get hit by infinite void due to the fraction of a second time gap between the 2 domains opening. Also your whole argument falls apart considering Gojo stated in 236 that Sukuna was holding back AND that he doesn't know if he would win even if Sukuna didn't have 10 shadows
he would’ve fought sukuna when he hit the 15f mark and somehow find a way to preserve yuji in the shibuya arc. so 5 finger sukuna wouldnt do shit@@animeuploader4992
theoretically h.e. Sukuna, would beat Gojo but that would be after several hundreds of trial and error modifications of his c.t. the point of Mahoraga was to give Sukuna that one model which he could use to beat Gojo. If it was not about Mahoraga, then Sukuna would've died after being hit by Infinite Void. Unlike Malevolent Shrine, Infinite Void's sure hit would simply incapacitate the target.
As if Gojo would give Sukuna time to do that. Even with Mahoraga, Sukuna nearly died. Without Mahoraga, Gojo would have killed Sukuna before he learned how to bypass infinity.
@@Frownzz well not really, this is assuming that UV would actually hit. The only reason UV hit was because sukuna took a risky route breaking down gojos DE which caused him to sustain alot of dmg. In Golden age form, he wouldnt of sustained neraly as much dmg allowing him to actually clash again with gojo, because he wouldnt be taking that risky route not to mention he now has 2 extra arms that is gonna prevent even more dmg in H2H combat, which would result in sukuna just breaking down his domain again and then finishing it off with a MS.
Eh gotta think about it more than just that, this is assuming that UV would actually hit and that sukuna is incapable of opening his DE again. The only reason UV hit was because sukuna took a risky route breaking down gojos DE which caused him to sustain alot of dmg. As a result of UV hitting, sukuna is now unable to open his DE. In Golden age form, he wouldn't of sustained nearly as much dmg allowing him to actually clash again with gojo, because he wouldn't be taking that risky route, not to mention he now has 2 extra arms that is gonna prevent even more dmg in H2H combat, which would result in sukuna just breaking down his domain again and then finishing it off with a MS.
@@joshwilliams4874 I’m sorry that’s to long I’m not reading it I’m sure it’s something well thought out but your words fall on deaf ears for I am a gojo simp
Already said long ago Sukuna has more knowledge and thats why he would win. Raw power output isn't always the answer. You gotta study your opponent and cut them down when they you give them a flase sense of weakness. I also said Gojo couldn't win because he can't even destroy the fingers so how would he destory the body?
He cannot destroy the finger because it is a cursed object. They have to be activated before you can destroy them. This isn't limited to sukuna but every cursed object... Sukuna being in Yuji's body is what made him understand all of Gojo's techniques lol
@jimohabdulqudus4283 Well, I just assumed Sukuna would still be kind of be like a cursed object in a sense, especially in his true form. I didn't really think the immortality would go away. I can see how it doesn't make much sense, though.
Still ABD just explained what would have happened if Sukuna full powered GOJO (i mean if Sukuna didn't knew about Gojo techniques he would have full powered gojo and thus fight ends in 3-4 chapter and Sukunas cleave/dismantle won't evolve.
Simple, Sukuna fights using the Minimum-principle and Gojo the maximum. Sukuna needs to kill Gojo while using the absolute Minimum of his power. Gojo has a hard set of Abilities to use and has to deal Maximum Damage. So Yes Sukuna could have won without Mahoraga since as I said Mahoraga was the weakest thing Sukuna could use that was still able to kill Gojo
The only thing Sakuna could use that could bypass infinity was amplification and DE. He would have to kill Gojo in DE which is if possible if he used other techniques but Gojo is very durable with CE. That's why dismantle and cleave was doing shallow cuts on him. Take away DE, Sakuna was ysing amplification the entire fight and was losing in cqc and most everything else bc he couldn't bypass infinity. Maho saved Sakuna twice in that fight. If Sakuna never summoned Maho before that black flash he would've died.
@@Theonefrombeyonnope blossom effect is the reason why I use to always think it was his ce made him durable but it was actually blossom emotion tanking the attacks and his rct healing him.
@@Superiorbeinggg nah he was tanking the attacks, when he used blossom he wasnt taking the attacks at all bc blossom instantly reflects or cancel out the attacks. And by the time he used blossom it was more than 2 DE fights in. Gotta remember Sakuna regular dismantle was cutting ppl in half and limbs off while a stronger Sakuna use DE all it was doing was giving him open cuts and that's it.
@@Superiorbeinggg just looked it up ch227 he used it after 2 DEs. The cuts were more shallow when he used blossom bc he's bleeding less but he overall took way less DMG than everyone else who went against dismantle.
Bruh.........why everyone keep sayin Sukuna got 1000 yrs of experience??ಠ﹏ಠ Man waz 'SeaLeD' for a 1000 yrs ,unlike kenjaku. So all hiz experiences/ knowledge are still only from his lifetime in ze heian era.
It's an assumption that is almost confirmed, Choso honed his technique while as a womb/object, it is no surprise to think Sukuna could do the same. The other factor is that the narrator speaks as if Sukuna is still active while his fingers are split, saying that "hasn't felt fear for 1000 years" would be excessive or pointless if he couldn't even feel fear for 1000 years regardless. Lastly it is possible that his fingers have been previously eaten by spirits but never a human, and in doing so he still got to spectate or have consciousness, that is until a human (Yuji) ate it for him to be freed. I think this is why people mention the 1000 years of experience, but you're right in saying that technically Kenjaku has true 1000 years of experience.
From a more doylist perspective I think Gege never planned for the whole mahoraga thing to occur and never planned most of this. I just think he used what he had to work out better than expected.
@@southterano4020The only foreshadowing was Mahoraga using cleave but Mahoraga could never use his Master' CT throughout the whole manga. It's an exclusive thing that happened in the Sukuna vs Gojo alone.
Finally, these exact reasons as discussed in the video are the exact logic I have in mind and have been explaining. In addition, the current Heian Era form is at "19" Fingers + Mummified Head power level. How much powerful will Sukuna become if he is in Heian Era form with a complete soul, meaning at "20" Fingers + Mummified Head power level instead of "19" Fingers (Assuming the last or 20th finger was obtained)?
Yeah, the last piece of his soul is the key. Even when he said that his mumified head would be enough to made up for the last finger, still the last piece of his soul exist and will give a significant effect, I think. I think we'll eventually get to that later
If Sukuna were to regain his complete soul, he would become incredibly powerful. It is difficult to say exactly how much more powerful he would become, but it would certainly be a significant increase. In his current form, Sukuna is already one of the most powerful beings in the Jujutsu Kaisen universe. He is able to easily defeat even the strongest jujutsu sorcerers. With his complete soul, Sukuna would be even more powerful. He would likely be able to defeat any opponent, regardless of their strength.
The guys saying Gojo should of won are so annoying dude, Sukuna wasn’t even close to using his full strength. He still hasn’t revealed his technique for a buff, nor do we know the extent of his abilities
If that was the case he would have use this “technique” to boost himself or the “extent of his ability”. But wait that’s just headcannon. At the end of the day yes he couldn’t go all out because Gojo INFINITY didn’t allow for none of his technique to go through it. If there was he would have used it. At the end of the day he needed Maho to learn how to defeat Gojo
@@LaBoys4 the purpose of the battle was for them to learn how to defeat Sukuna or learn his technique, by using only the ten shadows he was able to hide his technique and all his strategies. It was a self imposed nerf and I really don’t think he needed the ten shadows to defeat Gojo. Gojo himself stated that
@@samuelh.8896 your taking that panel of what Gojo said out of context. When he said he couldnt go all out (referring to sukuna) he means because of his ability INFINITY, Sukuna couldnt use all of his power. If Sukuna was able to use all of his power to defeat Gojo, he would have since that’s more align to his character that he shows he’s better with his own CT. Your making up your own headcannon, the manga shows and tells why he did all that and why he needed Maho
Sukuna will most likely win bc Gojo won't be able to draw a DE against Sukuna anymore. Sukuna also can use his CT in domain battles since he doesn't have to use 10 shadows.
@@Nam_Le4 k I am sukuna fan but his Ct will not bypass in the domian cause even in domian gojo has infinity. Though their is argument that since he can use his CT cause he is not using the wheel he can just shoot a cleave or dismantle at his feet which is part of the barrier this breaking gojos from inside.
@@kratosyt-_-_4858 Gojo's infinity is deactivated after his domain is destroyed, that's why he needed to buy time with Simple Domain and Falling Blossom to replenish his burnt out Limitless with RCT.
I know this is almost a year old and you prolly think much differently now 1. Gojo needed to be humble as he now is truly awakened 2. Sukuna using megumis body is the biggest advantage to mess with Gojos mind That's his adopted son He did so much training to make sure to save megumi It bothers him so much he mentions it right off It's the first thing he says Not about himself About his son Sukuna best chance was throwing Gojo off with megumis body Gojo doesn't want to show weakness and this bothers him he most You don't waste time training on things to save megumi if you don't care I would say was there any point where sukuna didn't press if Gojo was hurt No Neither of them held back The fight would not be satisfying if one of them held back They admire each other This is way more romantic then you realize
No Gojo didn't get stronger he's been that strong lmao. Its just we never seen Gojo fight all out prior to that fight. If Gojo would've fought 15 finger Sakuna he would've washed him
@@Mosaic-xerox no the prison realm showed him that he could condensed the DE that's about it. I don't remember them saying it did anything else. Gojo was already extremely advanced with DE already. Just like he was the first person to use 0.2 DE, Gojo just got the idea of condensing the DE. Pretty sure before that he was already changing conditions to battle Sakuna DE.
Dang ABD. I am also a huge Gojo fan, but the way you went over everything and also all the points you made, were all very pretty valid. (Yeah i know i am 9 months late lol)
I feel it mainly comes down to getting pass Gojo’s “Limitless”. Well only the defensive aspect of it. Sukuna wouldn’t be worried about Blue, Red, or Purple. In every aspect other than “Hand to Hand combat” and maybe “Creativity” Sukuna is better than Gojo at everything else. I just hope Gojo comes back
I think reading the fight week to week favored Gojo because we didn't have the full picture of what Sukuna was trying to achieve and why he chose such a strategy to fight Gojo but after it was finished and reading the interaction and fight of Sukuan vs Kashimo, taking your time to understand and analyze all the details you realize that Sukuna was the stronger opponent and was always goning to win. He had his cursed tool from Yaraozu, Full RCT by reviving his Heian Era original body and revealing his CT which we still don't know. It's a shame that regardless of this Sukunas reputation was destroyed due to all ths bs fraud allegations and that the jjk fandom has been spilt due to the battle and how because so many people fanboy over Gojo his death was not received well at all and also JJKs reputation took a lot of damage and a lot of fans left the series due to Gojos death, misinterpreting the whole battle as well as Gojos final words in the after life.
PS. The waffle dismantles that killed Kashimo were the world slasher one’s not the base MS dismantle which was before the expansion of the technique. So i don’t think Gojo can heal from the dismantle that killed Kashimo.
one key aspect of this fight is that Gojo would have most likely survived the first/second domain clash and managed to recover from the damage he'd take, say "fuck no, I ain't doing it again" use infinity to keep fighting aganist sukuna without using domain expansion again. at this point either Sukuna already knew of the concept of healing a burned-out technique with RCT before seeing Gojo do that (which might be, but it's not something we're 100% sure he hasn't just learned at the last second by copying Gojo), or he'd have to constantly use domain amplification to land any hit aganist Gojo; and no, even though he can switch between his technique and domain amplification, that doesn't mean his slashes would hit Gojo as they'd either be neutralized by Gojo's infinity or Sukuna's domain amplification before they land. at that point it would just be a battle of endurance and first to finish his reserves of CE loses, we can't really give anyone of the 2 the edge in matter of hand to hand combat as Gojo managed to keep up in a 3 vs 1 while Sukuna's heian form is just op in that department aswell. to put simply: Gojo's win con in this scenario is to not enter repeated domain clashes and use his domain to defend himself from malevolent shrine and hopefully not be the one to finish his reserves of CE while Sukuna's win con is basically winning a domain clash and killing Gojo in his domain.
Would kenjaku brain be in a vegetative state or explode if he took over gojo since gojo has the six eyes his brain can handle that amount of informatipn but kenjaku brain isn't made to handle that amount of information and it may lead him into a vegetative state and even sukuna isn't immune to gojo infinite void.
I'm pretty sure the six eyes passes to some else the moment they die, like the avatar, becouse the only one six eyes thing, and the fact that kenjaku already confirmed killing a baby with the six eyes and he didn't posses the body
It definitely wouldn’t just using infinity and everything, but maybe if he used infinite void because kenjaku, even if he is the one using it through gojos body, he isn’t gojo. Infinite void is probably kenjaku’s worst nightmare
There’s also the strong possibilities that heian era sukuna may or may not have such as: 1:Using incantations/signs to refine his DE 2: meguna and gojo were pretty relative in h2h (when sukuna wasn’t tanking it for adaptions) and thus Heian Sukuna with 2 more arms would be stronger 3:The incantation/signs shown by sukuna would likely cause more damage to gojo (for example the neck slash) and even death. It could also contribue to slower rct for gojo 4: yet again, incantations/signs could be used to strengthen his Cleave/dismantle to be able to attack effectively Gojo’s DE from the inside which would inevitably make him lose.
You said there relative to head 2head , how can u say that when meguna woukd of lost 3 times ? And was loosing majority of the fight ? That’s not relative imo js
Yes sakuna can use more signs but we don’t know 1. How much the amp is to the ap Yes sakuna domain at 120% was able to cut gojo but the cuts weren’t all that deep , gojo more then likely will be able to tank it still it will just cause more damage
@@GEEKEDANIMENERDbruh he literally said they were relative when sukuna didn't start the adaptation process which is true. They were equal in the first h2h sequence which was before sukuna started playing defensive in order to adapt. Hein sukuna would maul gojo in h2h combat
This is ultimately what it devolves into; sukunas ONLY win condition is MAYBE his domain whereas Gojo’s is literally everything else. It would be pretty redundant and an obvious retcon if you could use hand signs to strengthen your domain. Why has it never been eluded to before? Why didn’t kenjaku do it? Why didn’t Dagon do it? Gojo and Sukuna hand to hand are NOT RELATIVE, Gojo was dragging him around the entire fight and was still fine in a 3v1. 2 extra arms does not close the gap in speed and strength
@@Kenisgoat abd did bring a good point , gojo only had 3 min and 14 seconds cause that’s how long his domain would last , and in that time frame against heian era sakuna with da it can be a challenge and gojo might not win that one. Terms of strength gojo is stronger then meguna but 4 arms prob not , Speed is debatable im on the fence if we need more 4 arms feats we have him blitzing kashimo but what feats do kashimo have ? Not really any so his speed feats aren’t well know , all we know is he comparable to hakari or faster then him But sakuna had to use a distraction to catch kashimo off guard to hit him so I need more speed feats before I can say who’s faster imo But rn my theory is sakuan 4 arm form has to be slower or have a endurance problem , he stated in chapter meguna was much more better for combat then anything
Knowing all of this now, I think its fair to say 15F Sukuna during the shibuya arc would body Shibuya Gojo. Same logic applies, Gojo wouldn't make it out of the first domain battle.
@@neb2777 they do. If 20 finger sukuna was equal to Gojo, why would 15 finger sukuna match Gojo. That doesn't make sense. The precision wouldn't be there
Sukuna would of won either way because he is superior in every way. Gojo wouldn’t beat heian era Sukuna because he wouldn’t hit Sukuna with his domain due to Sukuna having superior body and would of win in hand to hand combat.
This disillusion gojo fans are really coming at you bro😂 I beat they didn't even watch the video and comment your video is misinformation just cause you say heian era sukuna win🤡.... From what I see this pinoyjaku is the one that telling them to spread hate comments on your video
@@foadnashef7288 I have been following jjk for a years now and I can tell you 80% of the video is correct..... And I can't find this pinoyjaku guy video about the debunked so can you tell me what that guy said
@@nirbanjyotidas582880% of this video is correct? The guy didn’t even prove anything to why ailing would win it’s just based off headcanon and delusions.smh
Every Sukuna meat rider watches this video and says it’s “proof” meanwhile the UA-camr forgets Heian era Sukuna doesn’t have yujis knowledge but I forgot “Sukuna would just understand how it works” glazing is crazy
Why do you want to put sukuna in a hard situation while comparing him to Gojo at his peak? " heian era sukuna doesn't have knowledge on gojos domain " why make that condition ? I can also say let's compare shibuya Gojo who hasn't experienced the prison realm which was the main reason for him to keep up in the domain battle ? If u want to compare 2 characters , give them the same conditions then This video is about how the fight would go if sukuna didn't have the 10s , that's it There is no need to make excuses as he wouldn't know about infinite void or gojos limitless
Like I don’t have to watch the video to know that Sukuna wins even without the ten shadows sukuna who was getting outsped by kashimo which gojo wasn’t doing. After he transformed into his real body he completely overpowered and blized him plus he knows the technique to kill gojo
Kashimo "outsped" a one armed Sukuna that was quite literally on the brink of death. Pretty much anyone watching the fight at that point could have done that. Even Yuji could've done that.
Gojo would’ve been smoked first domain if it wasn’t for Kenjacku and the prison realm period. He had to CONSTANTLY have his CT 6 eyes and infinity on 100% while who knows how long in the prison realm were he can’t die. I wonder who was released from the prison realm though. But 100% without a doubt Kenjackus true motives with the prison realm was to buff Gojo. Gojo could’ve spent 10 years in there this his RCT on 100% of the time for all we know.
Gege akutami confirmed that Sukuna apart from his domain would not be able to bypass Gojo's infinity, however thr battle would keep going for such a long time that Sukuna would eventually win, he has 2 mouths, and 4 arms which make Jujutsu easier.
Gojo himself said he would have lost in the writer displayed that the king has a better mindset to be the strongest, and Kenny said the king. What's his plan to get rid of Gojo he never needed 10 shadows
Not to mention that gojo teleporting away will just put d battle to a stalemate Sukuna can easily dodge hp since he could react to a hp right in front of him with no presence and blocked it with enhanced arms as stated by him in either 232 or 233 And lib purple will do nothing to a sukuna who doesn't have dropping RCT burnout due to brain damage
Abd literally went over everything and ppl still decide to meatride gojo 😭💀. Gojo himself admitted it.
Some gojo fans are riders through and through, denial is one hella of a drug
That’s copium
What he states doesn’t make it law he forgot black flashes , how a lot of things come into play lol
@@IPreferButterblack flash is not something you can pull off at will, even gojo can’t
@@TheOneWhoAsked0035 gojo never had anyone to pull it off without killing Them soon as he did he pulled 4 back to back lol
Can we just talk about how well Gege illustrated Sukuna's evil smiles throughout the GOJO fight? bro was cracked out 😂. I can't wait until they're animated
Another Sukuna defense feat is when he took a second or so to awaken after getting hit with a 9 second Unlimited Void. It's insane because the disaster curses were out for 5 mins after just taking a measly 0.2s UV, while the normal humans around were out for 2 whole months lol
Good point ☝️
This is what we call Gege being inconsistent (and just bad writing).
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Why would a human have a brain 100x stronger/more resistant to UV than Mahito/other special grades, which Gege stated are especially resistant to. @@patrician9055
inconsistent how?@@NitBeanTheMachine
"Why would a limitless six eyes user lose to an untamed mahoraga?"
Because they're not Gojo. Made my day
They probably didnt have rct
That's kind of a flawed statement, ABD overlooking stuff as usual. Even if it's an untamed Mahoraga, a 10S user with a bunch of cursed tools can be enough to prevent the 6 eyes + limitless user from one shotting Mahoraga by disrupting the technique, especially if the user has ISOH. Remember Sukuna cannot freely go hand to hand vs Gojo because he needs Mahoraga to keep up because he cannot use DA and 10S at the same time, using DA will unsummon the shikigamis.
@@mmshkYes, but if the six eyes user of the past was as strong as Gojo, his ten shadows opponent would have to be Sukuna’s level to protect Mahoraga, survive, and kill the six eyes user.
Even Sukuna with probably higest CE amount in history (twice Yuta) + cleave and dismantle as backup + open domain + insane battle iq got Mahoraga destroyed.
If the past Mahoraga managed to Ikill the six eyes user, then that six eyes user is not as strong as Gojo.
@@rattakritrattanapantowong6173 You can't read can you? Sukuna cannot use 2 CTs at once nor use DA and TS at the same time, that's why he cannot attack as he wishes. Whereas a 10S user can attack freely independent of Mahoraga, so stating cleave + dismantle, open domain, etc is meaningless in the context of 10S vs limitless + 6 eyes
@@mmshk You're the one who failed to read and comprehend because that 10S user would still have to be somewhere near Sukuna to give a Gojo level opponent a decent fight not to mention Sukuna directly has a DE which kept unlimited void in check, So yeah it's a pretty accurate statement to say that the past six eyes+limitless user was not at the same level as Gojo.
It is simply way too much of a reach to even think that someone with an untamed mahoraga was able to kill a Gojo lmao, not to mentioned Gojo literally managed to exorcise a TAMED mahoraga even after it had adapted, you smoking the good kush.
The challenger is usually the first one to attack cause they feel like they have something to prove so it was pretty ironic when gojo called sukuna the challenger here when gojo was the first one to attack
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Not only that, he attacked after getting buffed by his friends
Yeah Gojo understood the situation, he didn't want to hold back and wanted a last time to be supported by his friends, really though I feel Todo would have been a good partner for him late into the fight.
I think this debate can only be done correctly after Sukuna's death. Because right now there are a lot of missing piece of the puzzle, mainly Sukuna. We still don't know what's left in his arsenal. So I think we should debate about this after the fights end.
Logical man that's correct we still don't know what powers Sukuna have hidden so we can only argue properly after Sukuna death
but views
Fax. But the more revealing it comes the more it is proving that Sukuna >>>> Anyone
Copium
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Sukuna is studying, learning and upgrading his technique during the fight.
He loves his cleave technique that he's not wasting anytime to upgrade it like using maho to learn to cut and bypass gojo's infinity.
Truly sukuna is more of a sorcerer than a fighter
Yessir he’s the king
Reminds me of when he called Yorozu's CT inefficient, really demonstrates how even though his Shrine ( if it's only cleave& dismantle) is less superior to Limitless, he could evolve it somehow and make it even better, that there's no need for an OP technique if you could just improve upon the existing CT one way or the other
No, after the domain battle he was ready to off gojo, without using maho's adaptation
That's literally a headcanon he never stated that himself 😭
@@johnfishee1048Are you a child? If you read your comment before you posted it you’d understand how illogical it is. Something doesn’t have to be out right stated (which it was) to be true
I'm just going to say this. Both Gojo and Sukuna are the absolute GOATS of the JJK series.
Sorry kid only 1 goat sukuna ……. Midjo is ok I guess
@@father287”midjo” is such a lame term lol. Gotta give gojo his props like sukuna did. How does sukuna have more respect then you lol
@@father287i lovew how fatherless kids always act like they wouldn’t get pieced up.
@@mageninjaballer1449 u play & post Roblox I would literally kill with my bare hands💀
@@mageninjaballer1449 damn grow men getting pressed over comments wild
Dam the "Dying to win, and risking death to win" hits harder than ever
Sukuna’s main goal wasn’t just killing Gojo but to grow even stronger. Sukuna viewed simply killing Gojo as a waste of opportunity for growth. With that in mind, it makes sense why he fought the way he did
someone with a brain i see
It's just pathetic excuse from Sukuna's fans
@@goodmorning8055not an excuse, sukuna used mahoragas adaptation as a blue print to make the technique even stronger and efficient.
@@goodmorning8055gojo recognized that sukuna was deliberately doing things the harder way back in ch 227
@@soltragedy5010 I don't believe that Sukuna was or just stronger than Gojo just some factors helped him and we all nee that Satoru must be die coz of plot and Sujuna must be survive as i expext but author gave him nee power up it means Gojo f......
Basicly gojo tried to win while sukuna was just trying out new things
Exactly, sukuna was literally testing new things out until he ended up upgrading the dude I’d built different.
Dr Sukuna experimenting gojo
this was only the case because the massive power gap mahoraga gave sukuna if he didn't have him he would have been crushed
keep coping@@bignoob5838
Sukuna took a risk cause of ten shadows without it he won dove used heinan era
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The weird thing I noticed is that megumi’s body was effected by the brain damage making sukuna unable to use domain expansion he didn’t even realize that happened and started to bleed profusely worse from the eyes and nose because a tiny bit of gojo’s was just needed to make his damage worse.
Sukuna's Brain damage was severe cause right before UV sukuna destroyed his brain like gojo to heal his burnout curse technique and right after destroying his brain he got a massive attack on his brain, I think he ignored it because of his ego he thought "nah, I'm fine'.
meh it makes no sense the more reliable option is it was because he was affected for 9 second by the uv since 0.2 second is like 3 months worth of information and he was stuck in there for 9 second safe to say it was because of uv
and ye the guy called adolh is right thats what happend
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial Now I get it. thanks for clearing up
@@HeavenlyNekoOfficial nah the narrative literally said the damage sukuna yolk from unlimited void is what fried his brain and got rid of his domain
why is it always the gojo fan who won't accept the fact that Sukuna is stronger in any form yujikuna, megukuna or his original heian Sukuna they all would have won these gojo fans in the comment section are going wild they will kill Gege rather than accepting the fact
I personally don't think YujiKuna could win because he's imo just a weakened MegKuna but he might be able to pull it off.
Yujikuna would have lost lol
So not only is Sukuna absurdly strong, he's also a master tactician.
1000 years old plus lived on the heian era yeah it really isn't surprising sukuna is literally built different
@@aitorchul2262the thousand year part doesn’t really matter
@@aitorchul2262He was sealed for 1000 years.
Even the narrator said Why ? In Chapter 228.
@@aitorchul2262you mean 1000 years old trapped in a finger?
We all knew gojo was going to lose. The problem was the execution of him dying pissed everyone off. Heian ERA sukuna would win through attrition
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Him dying pissed everyone off. simple. Whether offscreen or onscreen, fans would have still sent death threats to Gege for Gojo dying 😂
@@TechGuru-zp6bu Ohh of course but I believe the offscreen kill was the icing on the cake lol
He wouldn't win tho he wouldn't even win the second domain clash with Gojo
@@antares8943 heian erra would absolutely beat gojo in the second domain clash or that's what your saying and I miss read?
Sukuna genuinely loves jujutsu and is a jujutsu geek so him risking defeat just to learn a new type of jujutsu is understandable
Sukuna’s simply superior, not only was he holding back his heian form that would’ve given him the full advantage in terms of raw strength but he didn’t even fully reveal his CT, not to mention he literally tanked every single attack but infinite void
Also his RCT is superior to Gojo’s, Sukuna brought Yuji back from the dead & can heal other sorcerers while Gojo cannot
He has brought himself back once
I'm convinced that most weebs like you lack reading comprehension. It's not that Sukuna was holding back, it's just that he didn't bother to use his entire arsenal (except Mahoraga) simply because it wouldn't work against Gojo.
@@Ivan-bg1jp Well pal, you can't force this theory to be 100% right, it can be, but till now its not. Have you seen other techniques of Sukuna? if not, How can you literally conclude that it won't work? and plzz don't give that dumb statement that he didn't used it against gojo that's why. Like seriously? it's even mentioned in Video also that there were ton of sorcerers watching their battle in screen, and after gojo loses, they were ready to jump him. Then why tf sukuna should show his full arsenal? So that other sorcerers observe it and find it weakness? c'mon like no smart person in existence would never do that dumb shit.
@@Ivan-bg1jp In future, if manga shows other technique of Sukuna, then we can conclude whether or not his technique will work against Infinity. Just accept the fact that Sukuna is superior to gojo. Bro if you had even watched this video properly, you would have gotten full idea yourself.
@@Ivan-bg1jp He was holding back lmfao, he took a riskier route to upgrade his technique. Otherwise he wouldve destroyed gojos domain from the inside instead of stalling for adaptions etc
Sukuna is evenly matched with Gojo in terms of martial arts from the fight, but Gojo mostly won the hand to hand combat because he used his limitless to throw Sukuna around and get openings
Sukuna is the Goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐
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And that matters because? That's Gojo using his technique along with his martial arts to be more effective. Imagine if someone said that Sukuna's martial arts only got better because he has 4 arms instead of 2 arms now. Ok? What's your point.
@@b4history32 can you chill Gojotard
Im just adding something in because he missed it out.
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The only reason Kashimo managed to dodge was because Sukuna warned him to dodge it
Yeah, I've read every version of the translation. Sukuna basicslly told him to move away, lol.
It is still a speed feat which Gojo couldn't do, who was unable to react to any of Sukuna's slashes in the entire fight
He had RCT so he didn't need to, what's the point of dodging something if it's not gonna hurt you basically. Yes I'm aware that in the end that's what got him, but still
@@manosbaroulakis9446 He was shown to be unable to react to Dismantle when it was firsted used in chapter 224, I believe it was. And he was again unable to react to Mahoraga's slash. It makes sense entirely that he wouldn't be able to react to Sukuna's dismantle the second time it was used as well
so if i told u to dodge a bullet would u dodged it or die ? xd of course u will die thats why kashimo is 100% faster than gojo confirmed
Sukuna is a perfect fighter all around with his only flaw being how much he gambled on Mahoraga identifying a weakness in neutral infinity, while Gojo is a close second his only weakness is that he relies on the invulnerability that neutral limitless gives him. Even without his neutral limitless no one else in the verse would be able to beat him but when faced with an near equal opponent it really came down to seeing who’s weakness could be exploited faster, a way around neutral limitless without having to use domain amplification because it would shut off his innate technique or Sukuna playing too risky and exposing himself to Unlimited Void allowing for Gojo to land a Hollow Purple completely unblocked.
Sukuna's confidence in his all calculations and powers is what always gets me...I mean he is entitled to have that confidence with all the knowledge and experience.
Gambling 😀 do be looking fun after reading hakari's fight.
Yes, I agree with your analysis. Sukuna and Gojo are both perfect fighters all around, with only minor flaws. Sukuna's flaw is that he is a gambler, and he is willing to take risks even if it means putting himself in danger. Gojo's flaw is that he relies too heavily on his neutral Limitless technique.
Very good comment, I'm glad you made it❤
A lot of the top tiers are very similar in jjk, whenever they’re put in a real fight they always tend to risk it all instead of playing safe and that’s why their technique and thus their strength always seem to grow
By near equal opponent you def mean sukuna is definitely stronger. There was no gamble. Sukuna could turn into Heian era form at any moment and just kill gojo and return to 100% health but also with buffs. Nothing was stopping sukuna from doing that and just domain expanding when gojo was still unable to. Nothing but the option of upgrading his tech. Gojo didn’t even get pass the first of 2 health bars in his boss fight against the king of curses. Stop tip riding. Sukuna was NEVER in danger. At all.
Now I think about it sukuna really out here using different techniques like it’s nothing 😂 literally overlooked kinda how he used megumis body way better than megumi himself, did things even megumi could never ever do 😂 Sukuna is literally the definition of a Jujutsu sorcerer. Can’t wait to see who will stop him, could someone be even stronger than sukuna 👀
Because his body was enhanced to be used to all of the 10 Shadow Techniques shortly after entering Megumi's Body.
hes like that one asian thats always better than you
He has acces to megunis memories
I feel sorry for fellow gojo fans. Why can’t y’all take the fact that he could have killed gojo in 3 chapters if he brought back his body or actually tried instead of the author making a story out of it.. sukuna comes out on top either way. Gojo said it himself
Not i am not sure and , I would lose are 2 very diffrent things. Also sukuna would have died in 3 chapters also if he didn't have info about gojos domain from yuji , so heian era sukuna wouldn't and he would simply get hit by uv and die in 3 chapters , he should have died in chapter 229 but plot of course.
@@florentdbz9873 just another clown who didn’t read the manga or watch the video. And what they said about it didn’t matter if he knew or not.
@@florentdbz9873 I won’t explain to u to figure it out. Just know UV wouldn’t work on him.
@@Superiorbeinggg calling someone a clown for something that's obviously correct is just so suprising to me
i feel like this is bait or just brain rot
Get over the Gojo would beat Sukuna debate !! Gojo admitted in the end that Sukuna is way stronger than him. He said that he used all his powers and years of training in the fight, but it wasn't enough. Sukuna has 4 arms and multiple mouths , he can chant multiple techniques at once while engaging in hand to hand combat . Furthermore how can y'all say Gojo can straight out defeat Sukuna when WE DO NOT KNOW HIS CURSE TECHNIQUE YET !!! The man purposely refrained from using his full power against Goji , meanwhile Goji went all out . I love Goatjo but he got his cheeks clapped , that fight was enjoyable but Sukuna toyed with him no matter how you look at . Give up the theories and assumptions , the author of the manga said what he said all comments there after are irrelevant .
THANK YOU. This literally isn't even a debate it's literally right there, in the same chapter that sukuna beats gojo, gojo specifically says that mahoraga or not he didn't know if he could beat sukuna. This implies that sukuna has more tricks up his sleeve even if he didn't have mahoraga.
Gojo did not admit that "Sukuna is way stronger than him" He was only doubting whether he would still win against Sukuna if he didn't have the ten shadow ability. If you're going to share information, do so correctly atleast.
@@vegitogamer8424 does it matter anymore?!?!? Gojo is dead and Sukuna was written to be what he is currently in the manga !! After seeing everything currently unfolding in the manga do you think GOJO would stand a chance if Sukuna used his full form like he is now ?!?! IMO Gojo’s fate was sealed since the chapter Sukuna told him he was the first one he’s going put down once he gets out
It's nice having someone give the best explanation to everyone on why heian sukuna wins, I've thought of all the points in the vid but to have someone make a video on it is just amazing
Sukuna wouldnt win bc he’d have no way to get past infinity
Someone who dosent read jjk ? Heian era sukuna isn’t getting pass infinity buddy nor is he figuring out how to survive gojo domain
You do know DE exist right? And sukuna can overwhelm him there and end him quicker? If sukuna wasnt 0.01 sec late casting domain gojo wouldve died there becuz he has braindamage and sukuna wouldve never been hit by UV
@@fjay2465 look at these 2 midjo simps skipping the whole video and thinking they made a point
Sukuna is literally like Thanos. Many thinks that he may not be that strong without infinity stones but he is powerful enough to be the most worthy being to use infinity stones unlike any other beings in the MCU
yuji bro
Not really. Considering Thanos got clowned by a fat Thor and Captain America in Endgame pre-Infinity Stones and one of his opponents was at his best but was just a human on super-steroids, and the other was most certainly not at their best. Honestly, quite a fair portion of the Avengers would have the ability to take down pre-Infinity Stones Thanos. It be a tough fight but nothing they can't achieve without some moxie.
Sukuna, it's hard to humor anyone beating him at this point. Only reason people say Yuji is because "he's the main character" but outside of that, there isn't much evidence. While Thanos is strong, he wasn't to the point of being monstrously invincible relative to who he was going up against. Sure, he beat Hulk that one time. Most of the other fights he utilized the Infinity Stones.
@@GoodwillWright Thanos may had to rely on infinity stones to defeat avengers in infinity war but he is the one who was able to use those stones far better than than any avenger hero in the mcu. And this what Sukuna has also done in Megumi's body. Many fans thought Sukuna couldn't have done anything to Gojo without Megumi's body but he was powerful enough to use Megumi's skill to that point where no characters in jjk manga except Gojo and Kenjaku was able to use their own skill to that level
@@SyanvCian I know that. But the point of difference is that even without Megumi's body, he is still a nigh unbeatable threat. Thanos doesn't quite fit that. Thanos is strong without the Infinity Stones, but the Avengers have a roster of powerful characters that could give him a run for his money, or outright beat him like Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, probably Hulk if he were in a better place. Prime Thor, etc...
While with Sukuna, the only person pre-plot who could have had a chance of beating him was Gojo and even that had doubts.
Again, I just think respective to the story, Sukuna serves as a different kind of threat compared to Thanos. Not to mention their motivations.
Is this even debatable? It is heavily implied that Heian Era Sukuna is simply superior, and it is highly unlikely Gojo could have contested him in the domain fight in his true form. Gojo himself acknowledges Sukuna's superiority and that he did not go all out. We still don't even have the reveal of his curse technique.
Their domains were evenly matched in terms of refinement and if plot was on his side if kenjaku can cast barrierless domain then gojo definitely can
@@sauravagnihotri8156except for the fact that gojo lost every domain battle,and the last one he was able to escape because he damaged sukuma to the point where he couldnt keep up domain(gojo tards purposely forget that sukuna wasnt using rct to heal himself),so not one time has gojo lv has won over a malevolent shrine which is not even casted by a full power sukuna
@@sauravagnihotri8156 They were evenly matched in refinement, but only Sukuna could destroy Gojo's domain by attacking the barrier itself since Sukuna has a barrierless domain. With his added strength and speed of his true form, and the ability to use incantations and an extra set of arms (which allows him to fight while doing handsings), Gojo would not have the same options. Moreover, Sukuna only tanked blows to setup up Mahoraga. Gojo himself notes that Sukuna is making it harder on himself for no reason he could discern...the reason which is later revealed to be his Mahoraga strategy. Gojo would just have lost in the domain stage against Heian Sukuna.
@@abrahamgeorge2043not a gojo fan but give him his flowers he won 1 domain clash don't do him dirty
@@abrahamgeorge2043actually gojo won 2 out of 5 domain
Finally someone who can truly understand the battle and not one of those toxic fans who keeps spouting nonsense which is a extremely disrespectful to the author and to Gojo himself
Beautifully said.
If the author wrote the fight better than there e wouldn't be some any people debating it.
@@soraceant I agree
@@soraceant Nah, the fans are rabid simply because their favorite character died. You'd assume most of them were illiterate if you looked at their arguments.
@@usnairframer go to 18:20 and see the difference between you an a real Gojo fan. Gojo is definitely strong but it doesn't change the fact that he lost and I guess in the perspective of a delusional Gojo fans they think he can't be defeated unless he was cheated which is why those toxic fans came up with their own story while they forgot that Gojo isn't invincible (proof: Sukuna was able to cut him during their Domain Expansion battle) but he's just way stronger compared to the other characters that would of course exclude Sukuna
Sukuna could have won all the domain clashes
But he didn’t
@@LaBoys4Gojo's only method of dealing with Malevolent Shrine is to damage Sukuna to the point where he can't maintain his domain anymore, It would have taken longer to damage four armed Sukuna.
Gojo admitted Sukuna was stronger but also said he doesn’t know if he could win even without Sukuna having Maharaga. I hate that Gege made Gojo make both of those statements because it kind of leave a debate still.
Right, and the only thing Gojo stans care about is his superiority over others, so you can't get away with claiming Gojo > Heian Sukuna anymore. Seethe.
@@jirenthegray5776 I mean gojo carried the series😂😂... It's like Messi carrying Barca ... One made series op and other mede team op so ... Yeah people will remember jjk and first thing which comes to their would be gojo doesn't matter if he is the strongest or not .... So yeah there are always gonna be gojo stans and in opposite there will be sukuna stans
@@vatsaljanani7603no he didn’t carry shit. He isn’t even in 50% of the chapters. You just need to come out the closet and stop munching gojos meat for a living
@@usnairframer What argument did I make?
@@usnairframer Too bad he never said that, clown.
People in this comment section didnt even watch the video before commenting, delusional people💀
Ye
Big of you to assume
lol instead of tryna be special to get the creators attention. think how many fans like you come to comments for open discussions and opinions about what's going on in the manga. chill out its a community
@@LilTaterTot.. mad because you didn't get the attention ?😂
I feel like we are going to get neon evangelioned
Damn. Tour deep analysis is FANTASTIC!!!😍😍😍😍
Sukuna with years of experience, knowing True sorcery and few Haxes too in his original body with or without 10 shadows technique.
Thank you for being objective. There are a lot of Gojo fans that are delusional and try to debunk what the author conveyed and said.
Sadly they’ll keep being in denial or delusional cause of the way his death was handled
@@koiyataI guess they wanted to see their goat being cut in half in order to be satisfied.
@@donrog5035 hahahahaha
How tf was this objective he didn’t state a single point with actually researched evidence he just said what he felt like and a lot of it ain’t true
@@somewhatstrange1600 he gave you the evidence, he backed with claim with chapters of the manga.
It really just came down to bypassing Limitless, Sukuna had a counter for every ability Gojo possessed outside of limitless, but Sukuna realized he couldn’t harm what he couldn’t touch, and once he saw Megumi use Mahoraga he found his way to defeat Saturo Gojo, the whole fight was basically him using himself as a punching bag while Mahoraga adapted to limitless, once that happened he no longer needed Megumi’s body or the 10 Shadows
@bruhbruh8892he was just using simple domain and domain amplification
@bruhbruh8892 sukuna can’t use cleve and dismantle with domain amplification. He can only touch gojo. To use cleve he has to use domain expansion.
@bruhbruh8892 no what i am trying to say is, people are saying that sukuna could amp his dismantels using hand signs, but domain expansions are stated to be the peak of jujutsu. So i am pretty sure sukunas dismantles are already at their max power inside his domain.
@bruhbruh8892 also even if sukuna used chants to increase the power of his dismantle it wouldn’t matter because without the domain expansion, sukunas dismantle won’t touch gojo.
@@miftahuljannat3050no he can make them stronger with chants.
Man u explained it way more better than anyone else u went really ballsssssss deeeeep😅😊
He is from 1000 yr old heian era... He was even yhe strongest in those era... He is not some small fry neither is he stupid to face someone directly... He planned out the whole battle.. he wasn't lying when he said he knows real jujutsu... He just finds loophole for every technique... He even tamed the divine general which was impossible feat for the zen'in as well..
Sukuna: Domain expansion, unlimited gambles and binding vows (sponsored partially by Hakari)
If you think Sukuna wanted Megumi for Mahoraga plz remember Sukuna wanted Megumi before he even knew what Mahoraga was
mahoraga is a ten shadows shikigami from hundreds of years ago both sukuna and kenjaku know who he is
@@bignoob5838nope sukuna didnt in in the shibuya fight he was trying to figure out mahos ability
@@knull9499 he knew what he was but didn't know how his ability functioned
mahoraga is the "crown jewel" of the zenin clan the zenin clan is hundreds of years old of course sukuna would know of mahoraga's existence
@@bignoob5838 yeah but the point is he wanted 10 shadows before he knew whether it could be of anyhelp against gojos infinity
The main reason sukuna wanted megumi's body is beacause he couldn’t control yuji's body and megumi had also the potential to be sukuna's vessel
I've more or less been thinking about this since the end of the battle, and I think part of why sukuna defeated gojo the way he did, was because he cared more about being able to slice through infinity, rather than defeating Gojo.
Also probably the more fun option for sukuna
Sukuna genuinely loves jujutsu and is a jujutsu geek so him risking defeat just to learn a new type of jujutsu is understandable
I'm a big fan of Gojo but looks like this would be really hard for him
By the way love your content bro
Keep going the killer work new Subscriber here
Gojo is my boy(like he is everyone elses)but Sakuna is on a different level without Megumi's techniques....I think it comes down to the experience Sakuna has and his vast knowledge of what curse energy is
Sukuna is the Goat 🐐
I have cheered for Sakuna from the beginning.. I always knew Sakuna was going to beat gojo to a pulp
@@Farreach Sure you did
sukuna needs to pull off an attack that he couldn't come up with in a 1000 years of life, I can't lie unless sukuna is extremely lucky he is not pulling that off without mahoraga.
impossible to say this because we've never seen a Original Sakuna without 10 shadows and without knowledge of who Gojo & his technique is, fight Gojo. Think about it. Sakuna himself stated that he learned how to adapt to anything because of Mahoraga. Meaning...If he didn't have Mahoraga, he wouldn't have found a way to beat Gojo.
Wait... Im confused. Has anyone even watched the video before they commented? Im seeing still seeing stuff like "Sukuna still needed Mahoraga" or "Gojo wins the domain clashes." When the video literally addresses both of those.
One comment said "When did the manga say gojo was stronger." Again, already addressed by multiple instances. Is there some kind of joke, or is it just a bunch of gojo glazers in denial.
Domain amplification and innate techniques cannot be used at the same time and no way sukuna is killing gojo by bare hands
Not a joke go deeper into the comments of denial it's funny af
@@sauravagnihotri8156 I thought theyve already mentioned Sukuna wasnt even using amplification when they were fighting hand to hand in the first place. So if Sukuna could have at least weaken gojo a little through the means of martial arts. Also, Sukuna has his domain. He still has win conditions to fight Gojo, and that whole time he was taking risks. Heian form Sukuna would definitely triumph over Gojo in domain clashes. Without Heian, it's probably a close fight. All Sukuna has to do is to run time, and Gojo's stamina will get drained along with his CE. While Sukuna supposedly has tons more CE than Gojo, which should be easy. Even with six eyes, Gojo couldn't keep up with the battle of CE reserves.
Some gojo Stans bought copium like it’s toilet paper during the lockdown
Finally! I binge watched every video in the JJK playlist! I’ve been waiting
The thing is, storytelling wise, Sununa had to win, but Gege also had to make an epic fight between Gojo and Sukuna, for the Gojo Fans. But there is not much epic fighting potential when Sukuna‘s technique is simply cutting. He had the decision to end the fight in one chapter with one clean cut or extend it to make Gojo fans happy.
Sukuna's technique is the shrine which isn't revealed yet.
Dismantle and cleave are just a side product of his techniques.
I'm truly a Gojo fan but this video proves that Gojo really had no chance of winning against any of the versions of Sukuna. Bro was even holding back 😭
cause 'holding back' is getting knocked out and bleeding out your eyes
@@OmnicideMTAI think u should watch this video again 😅
@@OmnicideMTAthat doesn't change the fact he was holding back.
@@OmnicideMTAGo rewatch the video lil bro
Him “holding back” I think means that literally anything else in his arsenal won’t work on Gojo except for Mahoraga, Malevolent Shrine, and domain amplification. Most of his arsenal was blocked off because of Gojo’s infinity, for example Yorozu’s gift that can strike lightning at opponents, which would’ve been fairly useless against Gojo.
Even GOJO himself declarations are coping by his own fans 🤡🤡🤡🤡 I feel bad for him to have the dumbest fanbase of Anime history 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. This video is just Perfect, even the hits Gojo landed at sukuna was just on purpose(the Wheel) the Fight would be faster if sukuna wasn't just Grambling around for fun and studying (Even Gojo himself stated that sukuna was taking the most difficults ways on purpose but fans are 🤡) . With HEIAN sukuna sorry but Gojo has less chances of winning cause in Domains clashs Sukuna would win everytimes and push Gojo brain to Fried and even inside the domains instead of just using cleaves sukuna could One shot Gojo with Thunder weapon that literally SPEEDBLITZ kashimo, Gojo, without limitless here would be dead and in hand to hand Sukuna can restrain him with two hands and another hands just doing domain expansion mudra 😂 or just throwing him the thunder. C'MON Gojo fans just accept he's the Second One.
Gojo fans are like the new gen Goku fans 😂
Bro's mad projecting
Sukuna quite literally stuck with Megumi's body as a form of training. Similar to DBZ characters using weighted clothing, Sukuna weakened himself in order to grow stronger and permanently remove the threat of the Limitless + Six Eyes combo
This is exactly what happened, he simply wanted to outgrow the combination of techniques that could give him a mild challenge.
That’s fan canon bro and it’s made up. like you genuinely made that up 😭 Sukuna was plotting on megumi since day one cause he KNEW how strong the 10 shadows was. The easiest way to debunk this argument is by asking the question. If sukuna used megumis body as a means to nerf himself, why not stay in yujis who has no cursed technique and no inate domain.
@@QrowTheGoat If you read the fight between Sukuna and Gojo, Sukuna literally explained that he used Mahoraga to be able to learn how to cut through infinity. Kenjaku also asked Sukuna if he sticking with Megumi's form instead of turning back into his Heian era form and Sukuna replies "for now". I never said he knew he was going to use Mahoraga from the start of his interest in Megumi since he didn't know about it, but the moment Mahoraga was gone and he had no more use for the 10 Shadows, he reverted back to his Heian era form since he gained his new world cutting slashes.
@@upliftlizard1715 Yeah he used Maho to bypass infinity because he literally had NO other way, if he did then he definitely would have use his Heian form 😭
@@kev6979 Heian era would have won likely in the first round, seeing as he has 4 arms, hand to hand would be much more in his favour and he (likely) has better raw stats, so he wouldn't get hit by infinite void due to the fraction of a second time gap between the 2 domains opening. Also your whole argument falls apart considering Gojo stated in 236 that Sukuna was holding back AND that he doesn't know if he would win even if Sukuna didn't have 10 shadows
They said if gojo didnt got sealed he will beat sukuna .. i dont think so .. he can change his domain radius bcz his experience in prison realm ..
If gojo didn't get sealed this fight wouldn't be happening
he would’ve fought sukuna when he hit the 15f mark and somehow find a way to preserve yuji in the shibuya arc. so 5 finger sukuna wouldnt do shit@@animeuploader4992
@@animeuploader4992true that. But if it did gojo would have lost in the 3rd domain clash
theoretically h.e. Sukuna, would beat Gojo but that would be after several hundreds of trial and error modifications of his c.t. the point of Mahoraga was to give Sukuna that one model which he could use to beat Gojo. If it was not about Mahoraga, then Sukuna would've died after being hit by Infinite Void. Unlike Malevolent Shrine, Infinite Void's sure hit would simply incapacitate the target.
Finally someone with a brain
As if Gojo would give Sukuna time to do that. Even with Mahoraga, Sukuna nearly died. Without Mahoraga, Gojo would have killed Sukuna before he learned how to bypass infinity.
@@Frownzz well not really, this is assuming that UV would actually hit. The only reason UV hit was because sukuna took a risky route breaking down gojos DE which caused him to sustain alot of dmg. In Golden age form, he wouldnt of sustained neraly as much dmg allowing him to actually clash again with gojo, because he wouldnt be taking that risky route not to mention he now has 2 extra arms that is gonna prevent even more dmg in H2H combat, which would result in sukuna just breaking down his domain again and then finishing it off with a MS.
Eh gotta think about it more than just that, this is assuming that UV would actually hit and that sukuna is incapable of opening his DE again. The only reason UV hit was because sukuna took a risky route breaking down gojos DE which caused him to sustain alot of dmg. As a result of UV hitting, sukuna is now unable to open his DE. In Golden age form, he wouldn't of sustained nearly as much dmg allowing him to actually clash again with gojo, because he wouldn't be taking that risky route, not to mention he now has 2 extra arms that is gonna prevent even more dmg in H2H combat, which would result in sukuna just breaking down his domain again and then finishing it off with a MS.
@@joshwilliams4874 I’m sorry that’s to long I’m not reading it I’m sure it’s something well thought out but your words fall on deaf ears for I am a gojo simp
I want Gege to write a book about Gojo vs Heian Era Sukuna so bad now
Already said long ago Sukuna has more knowledge and thats why he would win. Raw power output isn't always the answer. You gotta study your opponent and cut them down when they you give them a flase sense of weakness. I also said Gojo couldn't win because he can't even destroy the fingers so how would he destory the body?
He cannot destroy the finger because it is a cursed object.
They have to be activated before you can destroy them.
This isn't limited to sukuna but every cursed object...
Sukuna being in Yuji's body is what made him understand all of Gojo's techniques lol
@jimohabdulqudus4283 Well, I just assumed Sukuna would still be kind of be like a cursed object in a sense, especially in his true form. I didn't really think the immortality would go away. I can see how it doesn't make much sense, though.
Still ABD just explained what would have happened if Sukuna full powered GOJO (i mean if Sukuna didn't knew about Gojo techniques he would have full powered gojo and thus fight ends in 3-4 chapter and Sukunas cleave/dismantle won't evolve.
@@sub_n33urath122 true true
Simple, Sukuna fights using the Minimum-principle and Gojo the maximum. Sukuna needs to kill Gojo while using the absolute Minimum of his power. Gojo has a hard set of Abilities to use and has to deal Maximum Damage. So Yes Sukuna could have won without Mahoraga since as I said Mahoraga was the weakest thing Sukuna could use that was still able to kill Gojo
The only thing Sakuna could use that could bypass infinity was amplification and DE. He would have to kill Gojo in DE which is if possible if he used other techniques but Gojo is very durable with CE. That's why dismantle and cleave was doing shallow cuts on him. Take away DE, Sakuna was ysing amplification the entire fight and was losing in cqc and most everything else bc he couldn't bypass infinity. Maho saved Sakuna twice in that fight. If Sakuna never summoned Maho before that black flash he would've died.
@@Theonefrombeyonnope blossom effect is the reason why I use to always think it was his ce made him durable but it was actually blossom emotion tanking the attacks and his rct healing him.
@@Superiorbeinggg nah he was tanking the attacks, when he used blossom he wasnt taking the attacks at all bc blossom instantly reflects or cancel out the attacks. And by the time he used blossom it was more than 2 DE fights in. Gotta remember Sakuna regular dismantle was cutting ppl in half and limbs off while a stronger Sakuna use DE all it was doing was giving him open cuts and that's it.
@@Superiorbeinggg just looked it up ch227 he used it after 2 DEs. The cuts were more shallow when he used blossom bc he's bleeding less but he overall took way less DMG than everyone else who went against dismantle.
@@Theonefrombeyon if that’s the cause then why when maho used upgraded slash it took his arm off.
It would be amazing if JJK end with the villain as the victor of the story....
No more no less...
No happy ending..
Bruh.........why everyone keep sayin Sukuna got 1000 yrs of experience??ಠ﹏ಠ
Man waz 'SeaLeD' for a 1000 yrs ,unlike kenjaku.
So all hiz experiences/ knowledge are still only from his lifetime in ze heian era.
It's an assumption that is almost confirmed, Choso honed his technique while as a womb/object, it is no surprise to think Sukuna could do the same. The other factor is that the narrator speaks as if Sukuna is still active while his fingers are split, saying that "hasn't felt fear for 1000 years" would be excessive or pointless if he couldn't even feel fear for 1000 years regardless. Lastly it is possible that his fingers have been previously eaten by spirits but never a human, and in doing so he still got to spectate or have consciousness, that is until a human (Yuji) ate it for him to be freed. I think this is why people mention the 1000 years of experience, but you're right in saying that technically Kenjaku has true 1000 years of experience.
From a more doylist perspective I think Gege never planned for the whole mahoraga thing to occur and never planned most of this. I just think he used what he had to work out better than expected.
Bro missed the foreshadowing
it was foreshadowed dude. a long time coming we just had to let gege cook as usual
@@southterano4020The only foreshadowing was Mahoraga using cleave but Mahoraga could never use his Master' CT throughout the whole manga.
It's an exclusive thing that happened in the Sukuna vs Gojo alone.
@@ananyomukherjeeixd281because no one aside from sukuna tamed mahoraga and no one aside from gojo forced Mahoraga to go that far
@@ruga129 Makes enough sense in that case.
Finally, these exact reasons as discussed in the video are the exact logic I have in mind and have been explaining. In addition, the current Heian Era form is at "19" Fingers + Mummified Head power level.
How much powerful will Sukuna become if he is in Heian Era form with a complete soul, meaning at "20" Fingers + Mummified Head power level instead of "19" Fingers (Assuming the last or 20th finger was obtained)?
Yeah, the last piece of his soul is the key. Even when he said that his mumified head would be enough to made up for the last finger, still the last piece of his soul exist and will give a significant effect, I think. I think we'll eventually get to that later
If Sukuna were to regain his complete soul, he would become incredibly powerful. It is difficult to say exactly how much more powerful he would become, but it would certainly be a significant increase.
In his current form, Sukuna is already one of the most powerful beings in the Jujutsu Kaisen universe. He is able to easily defeat even the strongest jujutsu sorcerers. With his complete soul, Sukuna would be even more powerful. He would likely be able to defeat any opponent, regardless of their strength.
The guys saying Gojo should of won are so annoying dude, Sukuna wasn’t even close to using his full strength. He still hasn’t revealed his technique for a buff, nor do we know the extent of his abilities
If that was the case he would have use this “technique” to boost himself or the “extent of his ability”. But wait that’s just headcannon. At the end of the day yes he couldn’t go all out because Gojo INFINITY didn’t allow for none of his technique to go through it. If there was he would have used it. At the end of the day he needed Maho to learn how to defeat Gojo
@@LaBoys4 the purpose of the battle was for them to learn how to defeat Sukuna or learn his technique, by using only the ten shadows he was able to hide his technique and all his strategies. It was a self imposed nerf and I really don’t think he needed the ten shadows to defeat Gojo. Gojo himself stated that
@@samuelh.8896 your taking that panel of what Gojo said out of context. When he said he couldnt go all out (referring to sukuna) he means because of his ability INFINITY, Sukuna couldnt use all of his power. If Sukuna was able to use all of his power to defeat Gojo, he would have since that’s more align to his character that he shows he’s better with his own CT. Your making up your own headcannon, the manga shows and tells why he did all that and why he needed Maho
@@LaBoys4 I think you’re misreading it yourself dude
@@samuelh.8896 says the guy with the headcannon that Sukuna didn’t need Maho
Oh I've been waiting for this ,arigato
Sukuna will most likely win bc Gojo won't be able to draw a DE against Sukuna anymore. Sukuna also can use his CT in domain battles since he doesn't have to use 10 shadows.
I mean it's only the domain that bypassed infinity his technique would be useless. He probably just stick to domain amplification.
@@thatokperson it will bypass in a domain
@@thatokperson He couldnt use his CT in a domain bc he was using 10S.
@@Nam_Le4 k I am sukuna fan but his Ct will not bypass in the domian cause even in domian gojo has infinity. Though their is argument that since he can use his CT cause he is not using the wheel he can just shoot a cleave or dismantle at his feet which is part of the barrier this breaking gojos from inside.
@@kratosyt-_-_4858 Gojo's infinity is deactivated after his domain is destroyed, that's why he needed to buy time with Simple Domain and Falling Blossom to replenish his burnt out Limitless with RCT.
Any Gojo fan that hasn’t figured out Heian era Sukuna absolutely destroys him by this point is still coping and that’s kinda sad.
Damm bro there are many explanation vid , your one is the best of last 60 +vid i saw from last 1 month
Very good video..
Ladies and gentlemen.. Gojo fans finally entering the 5th stage, acceptance
😂😂 always great to see the progression
Yea, and Greg wants me to believe that Yuji with red fist and shark fins on his forearms can just left right good night Sukuna, with ease.
Well obviously sukuna is about to get jumped, Yuji alone gets slammed
Gojo is the STRONGEST sorcerer. Sukuna is the BEST sorcerer
The effort they put in their videos is limitless
No way u just compared agito and a (megumi shadow) maharaga to sukuna😂😂 agito literally died by a blue😭
For real 😂
I know this is almost a year old and you prolly think much differently now
1. Gojo needed to be humble as he now is truly awakened
2. Sukuna using megumis body is the biggest advantage to mess with Gojos mind
That's his adopted son
He did so much training to make sure to save megumi
It bothers him so much he mentions it right off
It's the first thing he says
Not about himself
About his son
Sukuna best chance was throwing Gojo off with megumis body
Gojo doesn't want to show weakness and this bothers him he most
You don't waste time training on things to save megumi if you don't care
I would say was there any point where sukuna didn't press if Gojo was hurt
No
Neither of them held back
The fight would not be satisfying if one of them held back
They admire each other
This is way more romantic then you realize
Gojo only got strong enough to fight Sukuna of Kenjacku and the prison realm. Prior to the prison realm Sukuna would’ve smashed him.
No Gojo didn't get stronger he's been that strong lmao. Its just we never seen Gojo fight all out prior to that fight. If Gojo would've fought 15 finger Sakuna he would've washed him
The prison realm helped him further refine and add different mechanics to his domain expansion - hence a power up in a sense for gojo
@@Mosaic-xerox no the prison realm showed him that he could condensed the DE that's about it. I don't remember them saying it did anything else. Gojo was already extremely advanced with DE already. Just like he was the first person to use 0.2 DE, Gojo just got the idea of condensing the DE. Pretty sure before that he was already changing conditions to battle Sakuna DE.
So all in all, we all knew Sakuna is op but for the sake of Gojo fangirls we're keeping Gojo somehow relevant? 🙄 😢
Dang ABD. I am also a huge Gojo fan, but the way you went over everything and also all the points you made, were all very pretty valid. (Yeah i know i am 9 months late lol)
I feel it mainly comes down to getting pass Gojo’s “Limitless”. Well only the defensive aspect of it. Sukuna wouldn’t be worried about Blue, Red, or Purple. In every aspect other than “Hand to Hand combat” and maybe “Creativity” Sukuna is better than Gojo at everything else. I just hope Gojo comes back
The head canon in this video is insane 😭😭
Ur cope is insane😭😭
And ABD is a gojo fan not taking copium 😭😭
@@raziengamer937 not coping and I could careless if he’s a gojo fan or not 😭 but a lot of this video was head canon based
@@miks1834 point it out first 🫠
@@raziengamer937 10:00 lmao
@@raziengamer937doing tricks on anime balls
I think reading the fight week to week favored Gojo because we didn't have the full picture of what Sukuna was trying to achieve and why he chose such a strategy to fight Gojo but after it was finished and reading the interaction and fight of Sukuan vs Kashimo, taking your time to understand and analyze all the details you realize that Sukuna was the stronger opponent and was always goning to win. He had his cursed tool from Yaraozu, Full RCT by reviving his Heian Era original body and revealing his CT which we still don't know. It's a shame that regardless of this Sukunas reputation was destroyed due to all ths bs fraud allegations and that the jjk fandom has been spilt due to the battle and how because so many people fanboy over Gojo his death was not received well at all and also JJKs reputation took a lot of damage and a lot of fans left the series due to Gojos death, misinterpreting the whole battle as well as Gojos final words in the after life.
His strategy was waiting for mahoraga to adapt in a way he could use
Sukuna smokes Gojo with or without Mahoraga, and Heian Sukuna isnt even close Sukuna 1 shots Gojo
PS. The waffle dismantles that killed Kashimo were the world slasher one’s not the base MS dismantle which was before the expansion of the technique. So i don’t think Gojo can heal from the dismantle that killed Kashimo.
literally the most inaccurate video ever. read the fight.
You read on Megumi is body point of view, he read jjk you read ''Gojo manga'' be better
This was extremely well researched, well done ABD.
Willy see out of your windoww
Wouldn’t Sukuna with his heion era state beat Gojo in a domain clash?
Yeah
Where is the statement in the manga that Said Sakuna was stronger since he Restored his true form
Sukuna is the Goat 🐐🐐🐐
He should of listen to his elders
He can defeat him in domain clash it spam and sure effect + incantation curse technique 😅
Gojo himself said he wouldn't be able to beat Sukuna. What more evidence do yall need.
one key aspect of this fight is that Gojo would have most likely survived the first/second domain clash and managed to recover from the damage he'd take, say "fuck no, I ain't doing it again" use infinity to keep fighting aganist sukuna without using domain expansion again. at this point either Sukuna already knew of the concept of healing a burned-out technique with RCT before seeing Gojo do that (which might be, but it's not something we're 100% sure he hasn't just learned at the last second by copying Gojo), or he'd have to constantly use domain amplification to land any hit aganist Gojo; and no, even though he can switch between his technique and domain amplification, that doesn't mean his slashes would hit Gojo as they'd either be neutralized by Gojo's infinity or Sukuna's domain amplification before they land. at that point it would just be a battle of endurance and first to finish his reserves of CE loses, we can't really give anyone of the 2 the edge in matter of hand to hand combat as Gojo managed to keep up in a 3 vs 1 while Sukuna's heian form is just op in that department aswell. to put simply: Gojo's win con in this scenario is to not enter repeated domain clashes and use his domain to defend himself from malevolent shrine and hopefully not be the one to finish his reserves of CE while Sukuna's win con is basically winning a domain clash and killing Gojo in his domain.
Finally someone understands
gojo cant beat heian form sukuna end of discussion.
I absolutely love this channel and the JJK content. ❤
Its sucks we didnt see gojo maximum technique or more of his unlimited hollow technique
What can we say Gege has wrapped it up already truly sucks but nothing to do 😞
Would kenjaku brain be in a vegetative state or explode if he took over gojo since gojo has the six eyes his brain can handle that amount of informatipn but kenjaku brain isn't made to handle that amount of information and it may lead him into a vegetative state and even sukuna isn't immune to gojo infinite void.
I'm pretty sure the six eyes passes to some else the moment they die, like the avatar, becouse the only one six eyes thing, and the fact that kenjaku already confirmed killing a baby with the six eyes and he didn't posses the body
It definitely wouldn’t just using infinity and everything, but maybe if he used infinite void because kenjaku, even if he is the one using it through gojos body, he isn’t gojo. Infinite void is probably kenjaku’s worst nightmare
There’s also the strong possibilities that heian era sukuna may or may not have such as:
1:Using incantations/signs to refine his DE
2: meguna and gojo were pretty relative in h2h (when sukuna wasn’t tanking it for adaptions) and thus Heian Sukuna with 2 more arms would be stronger
3:The incantation/signs shown by sukuna would likely cause more damage to gojo (for example the neck slash) and even death. It could also contribue to slower rct for gojo
4: yet again, incantations/signs could be used to strengthen his Cleave/dismantle to be able to attack effectively Gojo’s DE from the inside which would inevitably make him lose.
You said there relative to head 2head , how can u say that when meguna woukd of lost 3 times ? And was loosing majority of the fight ?
That’s not relative imo js
Yes sakuna can use more signs but we don’t know 1. How much the amp is to the ap
Yes sakuna domain at 120% was able to cut gojo but the cuts weren’t all that deep , gojo more then likely will be able to tank it still it will just cause more damage
@@GEEKEDANIMENERDbruh he literally said they were relative when sukuna didn't start the adaptation process which is true. They were equal in the first h2h sequence which was before sukuna started playing defensive in order to adapt. Hein sukuna would maul gojo in h2h combat
This is ultimately what it devolves into; sukunas ONLY win condition is MAYBE his domain whereas Gojo’s is literally everything else. It would be pretty redundant and an obvious retcon if you could use hand signs to strengthen your domain. Why has it never been eluded to before? Why didn’t kenjaku do it? Why didn’t Dagon do it? Gojo and Sukuna hand to hand are NOT RELATIVE, Gojo was dragging him around the entire fight and was still fine in a 3v1. 2 extra arms does not close the gap in speed and strength
@@Kenisgoat abd did bring a good point , gojo only had 3 min and 14 seconds cause that’s how long his domain would last , and in that time frame against heian era sakuna with da it can be a challenge and gojo might not win that one.
Terms of strength gojo is stronger then meguna but 4 arms prob not ,
Speed is debatable im on the fence if we need more 4 arms feats we have him blitzing kashimo but what feats do kashimo have ? Not really any so his speed feats aren’t well know , all we know is he comparable to hakari or faster then him
But sakuna had to use a distraction to catch kashimo off guard to hit him so I need more speed feats before I can say who’s faster imo
But rn my theory is sakuan 4 arm form has to be slower or have a endurance problem , he stated in chapter meguna was much more better for combat then anything
Knowing all of this now, I think its fair to say 15F Sukuna during the shibuya arc would body Shibuya Gojo. Same logic applies, Gojo wouldn't make it out of the first domain battle.
Gojo domain is stronger than 15 finger Sukuna. That's why they were equal on the inside when Sukuna was 20 finger
@@thepoweraboveall they were both weaker. and I dont think domains work like that (off raw power, cursed energy or whatever)
@@neb2777 they do. If 20 finger sukuna was equal to Gojo, why would 15 finger sukuna match Gojo. That doesn't make sense. The precision wouldn't be there
Sukuna would of won either way because he is superior in every way. Gojo wouldn’t beat heian era Sukuna because he wouldn’t hit Sukuna with his domain due to Sukuna having superior body and would of win in hand to hand combat.
This disillusion gojo fans are really coming at you bro😂 I beat they didn't even watch the video and comment your video is misinformation just cause you say heian era sukuna win🤡.... From what I see this pinoyjaku is the one that telling them to spread hate comments on your video
He dudnt say anything about hate, cuz unlike abd who left out alot of stuff that could've debunked his argument, he showed complete proof
@@foadnashef7288 I have been following jjk for a years now and I can tell you 80% of the video is correct..... And I can't find this pinoyjaku guy video about the debunked so can you tell me what that guy said
@@nirbanjyotidas5828 so you didn’t even watch pinoy video yet you say he encouraged people to hate on this video? You’re literally a clown
@@nirbanjyotidas582880% of this video is correct? The guy didn’t even prove anything to why ailing would win it’s just based off headcanon and delusions.smh
Yeah right 😂
I saw his videos on tiktok he did prove nothing actually he even blocked me with no reason
Where are the Sukuna is a fraud comments?
Every Sukuna meat rider watches this video and says it’s “proof” meanwhile the UA-camr forgets Heian era Sukuna doesn’t have yujis knowledge but I forgot “Sukuna would just understand how it works” glazing is crazy
Why do you want to put sukuna in a hard situation while comparing him to Gojo at his peak?
" heian era sukuna doesn't have knowledge on gojos domain " why make that condition ?
I can also say let's compare shibuya Gojo who hasn't experienced the prison realm which was the main reason for him to keep up in the domain battle ?
If u want to compare 2 characters , give them the same conditions then
This video is about how the fight would go if sukuna didn't have the 10s , that's it
There is no need to make excuses as he wouldn't know about infinite void or gojos limitless
Please do not listen to this so many holes in his arguments
He’s just guessing and taking statements from the manga completely out of context
Seems like it. Guessing and some holes in his statements.
Gojo fans couldn't digest these facts.
Your videos go so in depth keep up the good work!!
Anime balls "deep" for two reasons
Like I don’t have to watch the video to know that Sukuna wins even without the ten shadows sukuna who was getting outsped by kashimo which gojo wasn’t doing. After he transformed into his real body he completely overpowered and blized him plus he knows the technique to kill gojo
Kashimo "outsped" a one armed Sukuna that was quite literally on the brink of death. Pretty much anyone watching the fight at that point could have done that. Even Yuji could've done that.
Gojo with blue and teleportation is faster than kashimo
@@sauravagnihotri8156 You don’t count teleportation as speed
Gojo would’ve been smoked first domain if it wasn’t for Kenjacku and the prison realm period. He had to CONSTANTLY have his CT 6 eyes and infinity on 100% while who knows how long in the prison realm were he can’t die.
I wonder who was released from the prison realm though.
But 100% without a doubt Kenjackus true motives with the prison realm was to buff Gojo. Gojo could’ve spent 10 years in there this his RCT on 100% of the time for all we know.
There can only be one person in prison realm at a time also Kenny wanted gojo gone to not interfere with his plan
This is literally a head cannon. You are making shit up
Gege akutami confirmed that Sukuna apart from his domain would not be able to bypass Gojo's infinity, however thr battle would keep going for such a long time that Sukuna would eventually win, he has 2 mouths, and 4 arms which make Jujutsu easier.
Gojo himself said he would have lost in the writer displayed that the king has a better mindset to be the strongest, and Kenny said the king. What's his plan to get rid of Gojo he never needed 10 shadows
17:40 how are you gonna put the literal panel on screen and then lie about what it says lmao how biased is this video
Not to mention that gojo teleporting away will just put d battle to a stalemate
Sukuna can easily dodge hp since he could react to a hp right in front of him with no presence and blocked it with enhanced arms as stated by him in either 232 or 233
And lib purple will do nothing to a sukuna who doesn't have dropping RCT burnout due to brain damage