ill admit at first i was thinking the video was going to be slow to get to the info but he was to the point, stayed on point and completed the point and didn't leave me looking for another video... thanks for the vid... try putting a centerfold poster under camera to see if imagining audience in underwear actually helpsalol
Sorry to be off topic but does anyone know a way to log back into an Instagram account? I stupidly forgot the login password. I would love any assistance you can offer me!
@Aron Vihaan i really appreciate your reply. I found the site through google and Im trying it out atm. Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.
He's not kidding about the safety issue. I got tagged by an airless with the tip flipped to jet while clearing a clog. Thank goodness it was latex paint because during the half second or so my finger was in the stream it forced paint through the skin, muscle and tendons and painted the bones. My finger literally filled up with paint internally. I ended up requiring surgery and spending a week in the hospital. Then it was rehab and all that. I've never gotten the mobility, strength or accuracy in my hand back to where it was before the accident and I lost almost 2 months of work too. I'm never going to have the feeling, strength or dexterity that I did previously but it's OK because it could have been even worse Had the paint been oil based my finger would have required amputation. As it was they had to cut all the meat off the bone to wash it out clean paint off the tendons and out of the joints. I now use a tough leather glove on my support hand whenever I adjust the tip, fiddle with the gun itself or I'm cleaning it. Turning the machine off does nothing to protect you since they can hold FULL pressure (thousands of PSI potentially) at the gun indefinitely and you have no way to look at a sprayer and know that it's safe. Treat it like an actual firearm. The injuries are treated as such by doctors due to the damage being so similar to gunshots. It's called a High-Pressure Injection injury AKA "The Liquid Bullet". In addition to the trauma cause by the pressure the type of chemical being sprayed plays a major role in the damage. Oil based product injuries will require amputation almost every time while water based amputation is still 2/3rds of the time it's better than always.
Mike O'Barr I am sorry you had to deal with the injury. Which of you three type of sprayer caused the injury so I do not buy one? Is the conventional a better solution? Thank you
definitely wasn't aware pressure was so high... air pressure over 100psi can supposedly push air thru skin and into the blood stream and kill you... so several thousand psi equals bad...
Thanks for this video! I want to try to restore old furniture and saw a great deal on an airless sprayer but from this video recognise that it's probably not the tool I need.
From what I've seen with HVLP guns , the fact that you have to make twice as many passes means you aren't really saving that much more material plus you increase the chances of tiger striping on metallics .
Really good educational video, on sprayer types. I like airless for big, large surface work, but HVLP for interior work like trims. Rhe HVLP, when thinned with a paint leveler, can give great finish.
I have never used any of these 3 types of paint sprayers before. I only used the one in spray cans. Which one should I buy if I want to paint a cabinet and would want to achieve similar smoothness of a car paint? Should I buy the one with air compressor, or the one without air compressor? What do you call the one with air compressor? (HVLP, or conventional?) Thanks in advance for any help.
Really appreciate your video. I purchased a few items from your company for my older binks spray equipment a few weeks ago. You totally helped me out with information on my binks 2001 pressure pot setup. Would enjoy a video on using viscosity cups to set paint consistency. THANKS
I`m looking for advice on which sysem is best for wood products - I`m semi retired and doing small gardens projects from bird tables, planters etc to wooden garages. Thanks
Thank you for your video well said: I have a question, im painting my impact front door garage and gates, I have a lvlp oir gun and a airless, im using a latex what gun should I use 1 .3 tip on lvlp gun thanks
I always thought HVLP was a whole system of hardware, like the gun and the turbine - but you seem to be implying that it is just a gun type that can be hooked up to any old air compressor (albeit with the caveat that it needs to be able to maintain a minimum CFM for an extended time). Have I been thinking wrongly this whole time?
Maybe someone will help me with this scenario. I have a wagner 350m (airless system) but I am a little disappointed with the power of this device, I have to dilute the paint a lot (more than 15%) to get something out. I have to paint my house (150m2) and maybe "mopping wall" and I was wondering if I could not use my 150 liters compressor with a pressure pot and HVLP gun? Is it a good idea? Is it a valid solution? Thank you for your answers
I would get something like a graco 390 PC it’ll be cheaper than a pressure pot setup and atomize thicker paints easily without needing to thin. HVLP is great for fine finish work, but besides a large compressor you’ll also need a dryer to deal with the moisture put off by the compressor. With the proper airless spray tip you can achieve quite a good finish IMO. Airless is also much quicker but waste a bit more paint. There’s caveats to both but for your application I think airless would suit you perfectly 👍. Happy painting!
1) Do you trigger the gun on and off at the beginning and end of each stroke? 2) Do you keep the gun the same distance from the part while spraying or do you 'fan' the gun? For spraying a cabinet door as an example. Thanks.
1) Technically, you keep the gun active, and moving the entire time. If you keep throttling it on and off, you risk wasting paint, and also hitting your project with splatter. 2) you absolutely keep the gun equal distance (to the best of your ability) from the entirety of your project...
around 3:00 you said you cant use a fine finish with an airless? You sure can! I use 210, 310 and 410 fine finish tips with my Titan to spray primers and latex lto do trim, cabinets and casings all the time. looking at trying the HVLP machines just to reduce lacquer over spray as it stinks a house out so bad. what I use now though is just an Impact airless with a 2-413 tip for precat.
Surfopia what was meant is that you typically get a bit of a coarser finish with an airless. Even if you use a fine finish tip you will have a slightly less fine finish than achieved with an air spray gun. That is why air spray guns are used for automotive painting. That being said fine finish airless can be perfect for a lot of applications especially for wood finishes as you don't necessarily need a "class a" (automotive finish) to have a good result in the end.
Murphy's Group depends is it painting trailers all the time or just a single project for the fence project i would consider a wagner flexio 590 or if in the budget a graco battery powered airless
If thats your project I would go with a low price pressure pot outfit given its a small job www.harborfreight.com/professional-spray-gun-kit-93312.html
I have a simpler turbine HVLP sprayer that apparently has no adjustment for air pressure; is that normally a critical adjustment to tailor it to the specific painting situation? The air volume is pretty high all the time so it's not much like an airbrush where you could control both the air pressure and the paint delivery volume
Hi controlling air pressure with HVLP is not as critical but you will be limited to thin to medium paint usually if your trying to spray anything thicker you typically need to be able to use higher air pressure than a hvlp turbine can provide which is where a conventional spray gun and compressor or airless would make sense
I'm going to be restoring an old smoker pit with rustoleum high heat paint. The paint is very thin, almost watery, so I don't think any thinning will be required. Which type of gun would you recommend for this project?
Hi Sean if you have a compressor I would suggest a Binks 2100 spray gun it will spray about anything well with a 1.4 tip that would be a pressure feed gun the other option you could consider is the Devilbiss FLG 4
Thomas Kalinoski thanks for the question hvlp turbines with more stages will offer a bit better performance especially with thicker coatings ect because it will provide more air volume which keeps the unit working less hard or in the case of thick coatings better ability to break up the coating stages will not improve transfer efficiency
With regards to a system like the apollo pro spray 1500 hvlp, could you increase the tip size in order to spray the likes of upol raptor bed liner? For example do you think a 2.8mm tip could work?
Hi generally bed liner is too thick for a hvlp spray gun but that material states it can be applied hvlp so it may work with the Apollo unit if its a 5 stage, less it may be limited. A 2.8 would probably be the most likely to work or atleast a 1.8.
I don’t recommend airless for anything that needs a fine finish. Automotive, millwork and cabinetry do not use an airless, stick with hvlp. You will waste gallons of paint as overspray if you take on large projects with an airless and it will cost you and the customer. Airless is only good for walls and ceilings and even then hvlp with a large pressure pot setup would still do it better.
How many homeowners have compressors that put out 20 cfm,,,it would have to be 2 stage,,,so the hvlp guns would be not a good choice,,but would give you the best finish,,,great!! Because my new compressor is 13 cfm at 40 psi,,,,and was 800 dollars,,,would have to pay 1200 for a 2 stage compressor..
In painting cars hvlp paint savings is negligbile at most 1 cup per gallon so for car painting i would never recommend it . not worth how much you give up in the finish will stick with trans tech and conventional
if your walls are textured, you will never notice a roller nap texture compared to a sprayer on interior walls; it matters most on raw wood materials. Also, hvlp is specifically for raw wood scenarios (i.e. cabinets, doors, trim, moulding). Typically, we only airless walls in unfurnished/giant interior housing projects.
Justin Carr its a binks 2.8 gallon outfit comes with 25 feet of hose and the 2100 gun with whatever setup you may need whole setup is 919 or if you need hvlp and or conventional you can go with same pot and hose setup with trophy gun
I'm new to all this so I don't know anything about sprayers. Which one is a compressor used sprayer? I'm thinking about painting my double sizero garage that has old, oxidized aluminum siding. I was originally thinking about an airless but now I'm confused.
This guy was awesome. Could tell he was nervous but did a great presentation of clear information!
Thanks Jason one of my first videos glsd you liked it!
ill admit at first i was thinking the video was going to be slow to get to the info but he was to the point, stayed on point and completed the point and didn't leave me looking for another video... thanks for the vid... try putting a centerfold poster under camera to see if imagining audience in underwear actually helpsalol
Sorry to be off topic but does anyone know a way to log back into an Instagram account?
I stupidly forgot the login password. I would love any assistance you can offer me!
@Donovan Atticus Instablaster =)
@Aron Vihaan i really appreciate your reply. I found the site through google and Im trying it out atm.
Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will reply here later with my results.
He's not kidding about the safety issue. I got tagged by an airless with the tip flipped to jet while clearing a clog. Thank goodness it was latex paint because during the half second or so my finger was in the stream it forced paint through the skin, muscle and tendons and painted the bones. My finger literally filled up with paint internally. I ended up requiring surgery and spending a week in the hospital. Then it was rehab and all that. I've never gotten the mobility, strength or accuracy in my hand back to where it was before the accident and I lost almost 2 months of work too. I'm never going to have the feeling, strength or dexterity that I did previously but it's OK because it could have been even worse Had the paint been oil based my finger would have required amputation. As it was they had to cut all the meat off the bone to wash it out clean paint off the tendons and out of the joints. I now use a tough leather glove on my support hand whenever I adjust the tip, fiddle with the gun itself or I'm cleaning it. Turning the machine off does nothing to protect you since they can hold FULL pressure (thousands of PSI potentially) at the gun indefinitely and you have no way to look at a sprayer and know that it's safe. Treat it like an actual firearm. The injuries are treated as such by doctors due to the damage being so similar to gunshots. It's called a High-Pressure Injection injury AKA "The Liquid Bullet". In addition to the trauma cause by the pressure the type of chemical being sprayed plays a major role in the damage. Oil based product injuries will require amputation almost every time while water based amputation is still 2/3rds of the time it's better than always.
Mike O'Barr I am sorry you had to deal with the injury. Which of you three type of sprayer caused the injury so I do not buy one? Is the conventional a better solution? Thank you
@@cadexim It is the airless, that caused him the injury. Be careful with an airless. It works faster, better and more dangerous.
I'm sorry for your injury Thank you for sharing this safety information. I had no idea about this risk factor with airless.
thanks so much for sharing, gonna be sure not to buy this one for my home diy projects...
definitely wasn't aware pressure was so high... air pressure over 100psi can supposedly push air thru skin and into the blood stream and kill you... so several thousand psi equals bad...
Great information. Nice to see the engineering department give a presentation instead of the marketing/sales guys.
I really appreciated this video. I now feel I have a decent understanding of the three different options.
Rock on Brother! Thanks for the great info and good video! have a beer before the next video ;-)
Thanks a lot for this explanation! Your videos on painting are one of the best ones out there!
Thanks for this video! I want to try to restore old furniture and saw a great deal on an airless sprayer but from this video recognise that it's probably not the tool I need.
Not many talk about safety of the sprayers. Good point! Great demo!
From what I've seen with HVLP guns , the fact that you have to make twice as many passes means you aren't really saving that much more material plus you increase the chances of tiger striping on metallics .
Really good educational video, on sprayer types. I like airless for big, large surface work, but HVLP for interior work like trims. Rhe HVLP, when thinned with a paint leveler, can give great finish.
Currently taking my Nace one and wanted to rehash some things we ran through rather quickly in class. Very helpful, thanks for the video!
Great info, thanks - now i know which one to use - air rather than airless
Keep the videos coming please. Your explanations are thorough and articulate.
Thank you for this video, I saw a HVLP + Conventional paint gun kit at Home Depot, and I couldn't tell what the difference, this is well explained. 😂
Great job explaining and showing the basics
Hi great video what fluid tip do you use in the pressure pot guns hvlp and conventional. Thanks
Great video, helps you know exactly what you want.
Thank you for your time and sharing your knowledge. Very helpful
Great Vid, very informative. Right to the point.
Thanks! Great helpful comparison!
Great info. Thanks for this thorough comparison!
i want to thank you..this 3 spray is mistery that cannot understand...but now
clear👍👍
Great video my guy. Appreciate the information. Peace and love
I dont comment or like videos normally or ever really. I did both here. props!
HVLP & Airless noobie. This was an informative and very thorough presentation. Thank you! Good job :)
Thanks!! So comprehensive.
Thank you for the very informative video!
I have never used any of these 3 types of paint sprayers before. I only used the one in spray cans. Which one should I buy if I want to paint a cabinet and would want to achieve similar smoothness of a car paint? Should I buy the one with air compressor, or the one without air compressor? What do you call the one with air compressor? (HVLP, or conventional?) Thanks in advance for any help.
If you don't have a compressor that delivers 15 cfm I would recommend a 4 or 5 stage turbine it will allow you to spray smooth finishes
Can you show us the difference between HVLP, RP and HTE guns?
Really appreciate your video. I purchased a few items from your company for my older binks spray equipment a few weeks ago. You totally helped me out with information on my binks 2001 pressure pot setup. Would enjoy a video on using viscosity cups to set paint consistency. THANKS
gary goudeau thank you glad we were able to help i will definetly get a video together on viscosity cups and how they are best used
Gary our most recent video covers viscosity cups and how to use them to get better finishes let us know if it helps!
Air less for better control used Graco green tips low pressure
Helpful, thanks. More videos?
Good job
What about LVHP? or LVLP ?
Really clear, informative video. Thanks for the information.
Thanks
Air less spray tips 208 or 210 or 310 Graco LP green tips
Informative video 👍🏻
Well explained 👍 Thanks
i hope you will do more videos. very interesting!
Great video!
Amazing 🤩 well explained
Great Info
He may have trouble with speaking to an audience, but I bet he does a bad ass paint job
What a good comparison video.
Did you ever try to paint on plastic or acrylic sheets? Which would you recommend for best glossy finishing?
Thanks for sharing 🤙
I`m looking for advice on which sysem is best for wood products - I`m semi retired and doing small gardens projects from bird tables, planters etc to wooden garages. Thanks
so how much does CFM matter when the compressor motor is not on? Isn't a tank a tank?
Thank you for your video well said: I have a question, im painting my impact front door garage and gates, I have a lvlp oir gun and a airless, im using a latex what gun should I use 1 .3 tip on lvlp gun thanks
Hey, is an airless system suitable for spraying adhesive?
Good video.
I always thought HVLP was a whole system of hardware, like the gun and the turbine - but you seem to be implying that it is just a gun type that can be hooked up to any old air compressor (albeit with the caveat that it needs to be able to maintain a minimum CFM for an extended time). Have I been thinking wrongly this whole time?
Hi there are two kinds of hvlp one is fed by a turbine another is fed by a air compressor
Maybe someone will help me with this scenario. I have a wagner 350m (airless system) but I am a little disappointed with the power of this device, I have to dilute the paint a lot (more than 15%) to get something out. I have to paint my house (150m2) and maybe "mopping wall" and I was wondering if I could not use my 150 liters compressor with a pressure pot and HVLP gun? Is it a good idea? Is it a valid solution?
Thank you for your answers
I would get something like a graco 390 PC it’ll be cheaper than a pressure pot setup and atomize thicker paints easily without needing to thin. HVLP is great for fine finish work, but besides a large compressor you’ll also need a dryer to deal with the moisture put off by the compressor. With the proper airless spray tip you can achieve quite a good finish IMO. Airless is also much quicker but waste a bit more paint. There’s caveats to both but for your application I think airless would suit you perfectly 👍. Happy painting!
1) Do you trigger the gun on and off at the beginning and end of each stroke? 2) Do you keep the gun the same distance from the part while spraying or do you 'fan' the gun? For spraying a cabinet door as an example. Thanks.
1) Technically, you keep the gun active, and moving the entire time. If you keep throttling it on and off, you risk wasting paint, and also hitting your project with splatter. 2) you absolutely keep the gun equal distance (to the best of your ability) from the entirety of your project...
HVLP or conventional is for high quality jobs cabinets
around 3:00 you said you cant use a fine finish with an airless? You sure can! I use 210, 310 and 410 fine finish tips with my Titan to spray primers and latex lto do trim, cabinets and casings all the time. looking at trying the HVLP machines just to reduce lacquer over spray as it stinks a house out so bad. what I use now though is just an Impact airless with a 2-413 tip for precat.
Surfopia what was meant is that you typically get a bit of a coarser finish with an airless. Even if you use a fine finish tip you will have a slightly less fine finish than achieved with an air spray gun. That is why air spray guns are used for automotive painting. That being said fine finish airless can be perfect for a lot of applications especially for wood finishes as you don't necessarily need a "class a" (automotive finish) to have a good result in the end.
Thanks for your video. Which type of spray gun you recommend for painting a trailer? What about a fence around a big property?
Murphy's Group depends is it painting trailers all the time or just a single project for the fence project i would consider a wagner flexio 590 or if in the budget a graco battery powered airless
We plan to paint only 1 trailer. Thanks for your help in choosing the right gun.
If thats your project I would go with a low price pressure pot outfit given its a small job www.harborfreight.com/professional-spray-gun-kit-93312.html
If you plan on more painting in the future then it would make sense to consider a bit better options
I have a simpler turbine HVLP sprayer that apparently has no adjustment for air pressure; is that normally a critical adjustment to tailor it to the specific painting situation? The air volume is pretty high all the time so it's not much like an airbrush where you could control both the air pressure and the paint delivery volume
Hi controlling air pressure with HVLP is not as critical but you will be limited to thin to medium paint usually if your trying to spray anything thicker you typically need to be able to use higher air pressure than a hvlp turbine can provide which is where a conventional spray gun and compressor or airless would make sense
an hvlp without air pressure adjustment is virtually worthless imo.
I'm going to be restoring an old smoker pit with rustoleum high heat paint. The paint is very thin, almost watery, so I don't think any thinning will be required. Which type of gun would you recommend for this project?
Hi Sean if you have a compressor I would suggest a Binks 2100 spray gun it will spray about anything well with a 1.4 tip that would be a pressure feed gun the other option you could consider is the Devilbiss FLG 4
Pittsburgh Spray Equipment Co Thanks for the suggestion!
Excellent video? Does an HVLP with more stages, (2 stage vs. 4 stage), offer better transfer efficiency with less overspray? Located near Philly!
Thomas Kalinoski thanks for the question hvlp turbines with more stages will offer a bit better performance especially with thicker coatings ect because it will provide more air volume which keeps the unit working less hard or in the case of thick coatings better ability to break up the coating stages will not improve transfer efficiency
With regards to a system like the apollo pro spray 1500 hvlp, could you increase the tip size in order to spray the likes of upol raptor bed liner? For example do you think a 2.8mm tip could work?
Hi generally bed liner is too thick for a hvlp spray gun but that material states it can be applied hvlp so it may work with the Apollo unit if its a 5 stage, less it may be limited. A 2.8 would probably be the most likely to work or atleast a 1.8.
Just curious did you spray that bed liner with your Apollo? Tip used?
I don’t recommend airless for anything that needs a fine finish. Automotive, millwork and cabinetry do not use an airless, stick with hvlp. You will waste gallons of paint as overspray if you take on large projects with an airless and it will cost you and the customer. Airless is only good for walls and ceilings and even then hvlp with a large pressure pot setup would still do it better.
How many homeowners have compressors that put out 20 cfm,,,it would have to be 2 stage,,,so the hvlp guns would be not a good choice,,but would give you the best finish,,,great!! Because my new compressor is 13 cfm at 40 psi,,,,and was 800 dollars,,,would have to pay 1200 for a 2 stage compressor..
check the cfm requirements for the husky hvlp, they are within the range of a home owner compressor there are also LVLP guns that fit the bill as well
First rule of spraying paint: never start spraying unless you're moving the gun or can.
In painting cars hvlp paint savings is negligbile at most 1 cup per gallon so for car painting i would never recommend it . not worth how much you give up in the finish will stick with trans tech and conventional
Nice video! - Would be nice if you talked about safety too.. (Respirator/ventilation etc)
Thelle Christensen will put together a video on painting safety soon thank you for watching
Hi i am looking for a sprayer to do my internal walls quickly but still get a better finish than a roller? Hvlp or Airless?
Airless if needed you can go with a fine finish tip as it atomizes a bit more
Pittsburgh Spray Equipment Co Thank you
if your walls are textured, you will never notice a roller nap texture compared to a sprayer on interior walls; it matters most on raw wood materials. Also, hvlp is specifically for raw wood scenarios (i.e. cabinets, doors, trim, moulding). Typically, we only airless walls in unfurnished/giant interior housing projects.
@@eytrix Thank you
Cheers
Just a lil enthusiasm almost lost me at the beginning but great info
Ok boomer.
What brand conventional sprayer do you use?
Justin Carr for conventional spray guns we like the binks 2100 its 273 and comes with a ton of setup options or are you asking about an airless?
No not airless. What about the gun is that binks as well
Or is binks 2100 the gun, if so then what brand pressure pot?
Justin Carr its a binks 2.8 gallon outfit comes with 25 feet of hose and the 2100 gun with whatever setup you may need whole setup is 919 or if you need hvlp and or conventional you can go with same pot and hose setup with trophy gun
Ok great thank you
I'm new to all this so I don't know anything about sprayers. Which one is a compressor used sprayer? I'm thinking about painting my double sizero garage that has old, oxidized aluminum siding. I was originally thinking about an airless but now I'm confused.
Cathy you will be best to use an airless for painting the side of your home
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yah, conventional!
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