Stephen Meyer: Return of the GOD Hypothesis!
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- #IntelligentDesign #Cosmology #Theism
Stephen C. Meyer discusses whether the laws of cosmology, physics, and biology exhibit evidence for Intelligent Design. Does Fine-Tuning imply a "Mind" behind the Cosmos, or was the appearance of design inevitable thanks to random fluctuations due to the capaciousness of the Multiverse?
Meyer, author of the NYT Bestseller Darwin’s Doubt”, and Keating debate whether we can intuit the existence of God from the mere existence of information such as the low entropy state of the Universe at the Big Bang and from DNA.
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Meyer directs Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture in Seattle.
He has authored the New York Times bestseller Darwin’s Doubt: The Explosive Origin of Animal Life and the Case for Intelligent Design (HarperOne, 2013), Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design (HarperOne, 2009), which was named a Book of the Year by the Times (of London) Literary Supplement in 2009, and now, The Return of the God Hypothesis (HarperOne, 2021).
In his first book on intelligent design, Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design (HarperOne, 2009) Meyer examined the mystery of the origin of the first life. With Darwin’s Doubt, he has expanded the scope of the case for intelligent design to the whole sweep of life’s history.
Meyer graduated from Whitworth College in Spokane, Washington with a degree in physics and earth science. As a Rotary International Scholar, he began his training in the history and philosophy of science at Cambridge University, earning a Ph.D. in 1991. His doctoral thesis was titled “Of Clues and Causes: A Methodological Interpretation of Origin-of-Life Research.”
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4:27 - Why is an ID supporter on this show?
7:37 Why do you believe in intelligent design?
8:16 Can Non-Christians accept the contents of your book?
11:45 Is NOMA legit?
16:06 When does epistemological support cross into evidentiary support?
19:18 Definition of epistemic support versus direct evidence and the historic scientific method and the abductive inference.
21:19 What do you make of a cosmologist’s ability to “undo” another cosmologist’s work? Why should we trust any cosmologist’s explanations, given that cosmologists have historically been repeatedly disproven?
32:13 - What would you say to someone who claims you’re cherry-picking evidence for the mind behind the universe?
40:14 - Atheism and Stephen Hawking
42:08 - Why do headlines tout bold claims like, “God is dead”, when the response to the community falls on deaf ears?
48:43 - Can you talk about the lack of scientific curiosity present in the acceptance of scientific folklore?
54:03 - Why does the book have “Return” in its title?
56:29 - How does God interact with the universe? How is the mind able to account for the teleological purpose that we exist?
1:07:04 - Why do seemingly obscure parts of the universe exist? What would God’s purpose be for creating such things?
1:14:52 - Is it possible to derive a Judeo-Christian God from intelligent design?
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Thank you. With proof will research end or begin. Probably the whole world will love it!
I forgot to add thank you for being nice but I am getting tired hearing all these debate and skeptic still not satisfied. If they tried this with islam they wont gett far. Skeptic should be thankful at least there is an intelligent conversation going on!!!
I think all this debate is useless been going on for centuries.
The fact of the matter is that the world does not want to submit to a christian God. Cause they have radical different ideas. So evolution has been made to try and bury him.
Evolution was never design to give alternatives. Just like lgbt was design to oppose the bible.
The world wants to kill God that is a fact. Just like in the bible pharoah still wanted to keep Gods people as slaves even after the miracles were shown.
If you really want answer you have to look to the bible and follow His commands.
Also you have to asked why do you keep bringing on people like meyer has it helped you at all if not then your heart is just not interested. And what your lookking for you will not find.
The phrases at jesus ask for a sign that jesus was who he said he was. But the sign were in the miracles but it was an excuse cause deep down they wanted him out of the way.
The apostle paul persecuted the jews he was like a high priest. And jesus change his heart!! So that is what you need to look at if your serious of finding answers.
Or follow the news on israel that it still a nation there will be no peace till the anti christ sets it up. All the current leaders have failed. This might take years to unfold but it's one way to show the bible is not for granny old ladies. Or being accuse that we all just religious!!!!
@@Sherlock245 I wasn't explaining worlds peace that was John Lennon and he was asked to be out of the way as well. But don't be afraid.
@@Originalus it's not about being afraid but it's about the world hating God of why evolution is here in the first place. It was never about finding answer but burying God. It's nice to see this video being friendly but I am happy for that however the majority of evolution want God dead.
@@Originalus I repeat again watch israel they will never be peace in our life time. Many will try and fail like it always have been. If there is peace then you know deep trouble is coming in the world. As a poweful leader will only be able to initiate this.
Then if your alive you will know the Lord jesus is not fairy tale.
Brian Keating and Lex Fridman are by far my favorite podcast hosts. They have great guests and are always extremely well prepared during their interviews. They are not afraid to invite individuals on their programs who may be considered “controversial” by some. It is so important to hear these alternative ideas. Good science is being practiced by many different individuals, not just your so called current “scientific authorities”.
Thanks very much Jeff! Stay tuned for more great guests like Kaku, Tyson , Sara Seager and more
You mean Lexapro Fridman?
@@hardyje1915 is that what it is? Lex annoys the shit out of me. Just because you study AI doesn't mean you have to act like a Hoffmanesque automoton.
@@burnsloads You mean Lex Machina?
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Thank you for your hospitality and kindness towards Stephen, Brian. You are a good man Mr. Keating.
Thanks Paul. That is too kind 😀
@@DrBrianKeating You're welcome, good brother.
Actually he sounded like an asshole.
@@1960taylor Why do you have to be so rude stick to the facts.And that should shut you up.
@@garyavey7929 my comment was a fact
I’m enjoying the book! No polemical hyperbole, just a great history lesson and so much more. Meyer never troubles the reader with some cheap evangelism, just great arguments for his position and an incredible exposition of facts that should have been presented this way long ago.
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I as a theist, I greatly appreciate the Host's gracious behavior, and want to say that it was an enjoyable video. Thanks for the interview.
I know this is not a popular opinion based off of Dr. Brian's opening statement but this is exactly the type of content that draws me to programs like this. Opposing perspectives having an open and respectful discussion. Thank you Dr. Keating for being bold enough to have guests like this on your show. Very enlightening and informative.
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It is refreshing to hear such intelligent and open minded conversations. You should gain subscribers with this kind of attitude, not the opposite. I think that to be pushed outside our comfort zone is essential to avoid cognitive biases. Very nice of you. Greetings from Brazil, and thanks for your wonderful channel!
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Whenever I want to get as full an understanding of a particular paradigm in science, philosophy or whatever, I ALWAYS try to find the best informed, most thoughtful person on the “other” side. I did that for evolution by reading Meyer’s “Darwin’s Doubt” and though I’m very doubtful (so to speak) about his conclusion that there is an ‘intelligent designer’, I’m certain I was left better informed than if I had only read books written by the purveyors of the mainstream paradigm. Other doubters about the ms paradigm for evolution that I would love to hear from on this podcast are David Gelertner and Stuart Kauffman (if he’s still active).
I - personally - believe the best argument for evolution is that for adaptation; not as an origin.
Thank you Dr. Keating. Your having on guests who go against the grain scientifically, far from making me want to unsubscribe, is what made me want subscribe to your channel (awkwardly written sentence maybe).If I could subscribe twice (and "Like" twice), I'd do that too.
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@@DrBrianKeating I wrote a review and sent it to you through you web page. I was unable to leave a review using any of the links you provided. I did, of course, give you 5 stars. Thank you, Steve S. (AL Lertor is my UA-cam handle). 🙂
@Dr Brian Keating Thank you for having Stephen Meyer on to discuss this. As a laymen and supporter of Dr. Meyer it is clear the scientific community's bias and hostility toward this topic, which I personally think will not work out well for them in the long run. I've seen several agnostic and even atheistic friends of mine begin to have some serious doubts about the current state of affairs and claims of naturalism once a person convinces them to question a few assumptions. To the point about Sean Carroll's, what is the purpose of "X". I hear this objection all the time to intelligent design and it seems very weak but continues to be used as if it a strong argument against design. Poor design is an argument for no design. It also assumes we have all the knowledge to adequately explain a Creator's reasons for every single phenomenon. Intelligent Design doesn't even claim to offer any such fully featured explanation and neither does any materialistic explication. So why raise the point? The argument sounds more like a "You can't explain the purpose of 'X' therefore materialism", or in other words a materialism of the gaps. Like most gap argument it leaves the position vulnerable where if your opponent does ever come up with an explanation, your position is now doubly weak because not only are you wrong, but you haven't take the time to adequately prepare a true counter to their claims. In other conversations Dr. Meyer points this out with materialistic claims that the genome's junk DNA had no purpose or did not seem to have a purpose. Later to discover it did. And while the person raising this argument is objecting to intelligent design not being able to explain the purpose of galaxy X or the purpose of sub atomic effect Z, their own position still lacks an explanation for the very mind they are using to raise the objection. Or even more important what is the purpose of humans? What is the purpose of our minds? I think most people would be more interested in the later question. The atheist Thomas Nagel who wrote "Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False" concurs in that at the end of all the materialistic explanations and proposals, there has to be an sufficient and satisfactory account for the very mind and information used to come up with the theory in the first place. I think Carroll's question of purpose is more reasonably asked in a different context of why mind rather than no mind, but then you get into philosophical and religious discussions outside the framing of this conversation but still very relevant and much more fun. Thank you for being willing to engage Dr. Meyer in this kind of discussion rather than dismissing and attacking him. It is a credit to your own character. Have a great day!
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Great discussion, thank you, Dr. Keating and Dr. Meyer! "Signature in the Cell" and "Darwin's Doubt" are so scientifically elegant, meticulous and eloquent, I can't wait to read your new book, Stephen C. Meyer! Picking it up tomorrow at my local B&N.
Such a soundness of debate is so worthwhile. Thank you!
Why would anyone unsubscribe! Wow nothing like having closed minds.
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They are wrestling with God. You have to fight and run. Or like Hawkins spend all your life obsseesd with trying to fight it lol
Just got the book from Amazon from a pre-order: I can't put it down. It's a book that starts shooting from the start. Great book. Hopefully it gets the traction it deserves.
Wonderful
First time listener to Dr. Keating. I'm here because of Stephen Meyer. Most of this was way over my head, but I just wanted to comment on what a good interviewer Dr. Keating is. I get frustrated with hosts that cut off their guests, which sadly happens a lot. I was glad to hear Dr. Keating allow Stephen Meyer to fully formulate and articulate his answers. And as others have pointed out, Dr. Keating came prepared. Well done.
Sheri Thanks very much ! I hope to do more with Steve. Stay tuned.
First time myself, but thoroughly enjoyed the show. Well presented and thoughtful questions from Dr. Keating :) will certainly be purchasing the book
I'm a former atheist, a born-again christian for half of my life now (and a YEC to boot), I valued this interview. Of course I'd like the opportunity to straighten Stephen out on his deep time notions...but I know I can't have everything. Thanks to Dr. Keating for his great content!
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@@DrBrianKeating Done!
We should talk about God all the time.
😢
Which God? Over 4000 are being worshipped on planet Earth at the current time.
If God is a human I'd be pretty disappointed. Especially if it was another Old White Man! Of course if that turned out to be The Devil I would say "Told you So!" 😂
@@willchristie2650 Okay? There’s only one that’s true
@@willchristie2650 Cosmic Consciousness, from which all other gods are intuited 😉
You're worried about people unsubscribing? I discovered you through your talk with Eric Weinstein. This interview with Stephen Meyer is riveting! Sharing with my daughter who is a physics/maths grad.
Love Dr. Meyer. Thanks for having him on. I am a plant breeder and there are major problems with Neo-Darwinism.
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There are usually major problems with Neo-Anything. That doesn't mean the basics of evolutionary theory are not generally correct.
@@markcarey67 maybe its like a natural/cultural law. Neo = problems
What do you mean by Neo-Darwinism? The "modern synthesis"?
@@islandletters it's the post-darwin theorizing of how darwin's theory works. Mutation theory was a major part of it. Mathematicians, because mutations are relatively predictable, have shown there wasn't enough time on earth for the mutation theory alone to work etc.
Thanks for not censoring ideas.
Dr. Brian did a great interview with Dr. Meyer and the discussion was rich about the God hypothesis and the influence of cosmology and civilized, thanks.
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It is almost adorable how many people think that some supernatural God, in whatever form (ID, creationism, “intelligent” entity, etc..) is actually competing with any real naturalistic explanation for the diversity or the origin of life or literally anything in nature, for that matter.
As if something that does not even quality as real, is capable of providing an explanation. Given the demonstrable correlation with reality, the concept of the supernatural, let alone some specific deity, is if anything, in competition with unicorns and goblins for its sheer existence.
I just got Stephen’s book. I’m getting your book too. Any scientist as respectful to Stephen as you were in this interview deserves to be read also. I’m a new convert to your channel.
I ordered the book and I can't wait!
Great conversation - kind of needs to be 2 times longer to dig in to some of the arguments for & against. Loved the way you give respect to people of differing POV's Brian.
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As for me, I am convinced that there is a intelligent creator. Who may he be? Is a different question, and each individual needs to explore.
James Tour would be a good guest
Dr Tour is a top biochemist, not a physicist or cosmologist. The host and the guest wouldn’t speak the same language. It wouldn’t be serious, though maybe entertaining.
Maybe Hugh Ross
@@janwaska521 he can make his teachings easy to understand, I’m not even science major.
I know Tour’s work very well actually
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Good old intelligent design - love to hear this conversation. Good job Dr .
After watching your excellent interview with Stephen, Brian I purchased Stephen's new book and absolutely love it, especially the concluding chapter on the god of the gaps argument. Your interviewing style is exceptional, Brian. I will do a review on Stephen's new book in the days ahead. Thanks, Brian.
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@@DrBrianKeating Will subscribe now boss. 🙂
hi Paul thanks!!
Enjoyed immensely, definitely going to purchase this book.
Thanks Brian and Stephen for a very thought provoking discussion.
Nothing wrong with having an open mind :)
Thanks so much
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Dr Stephen Meyer is a GEM💎💎💎❤️👍
Yes he truly is! He opened my mind to ID, despite me accepting Darwin. I see evolution and natural selection as how God made life and let it diversify overtime across Creation.
Meyer is a fraud, not a gem. Intelligent Design is psudoscience bullshit with no evidence, no rational and no scientific standing.
@@walkergarya You are being fooled by the Atheist scientific establishment. They are trying their best to get rid of GOD. Evidence of GOD from Science has been piling up Constantly. But the Atheist scientists mould the truth into the pre-existing Ideas and do not allow the Science to Lead to the Truth. You are clearly a Victim. Try to see the Full picture- Origin of Life,The new discoveries of overwhelming complexities just in a single bacteria cell which is no way possible by the product of a mindless random process,Fine tuning of the Universe, about Human consciousness-how Doctors have found the existence of Consciousness after Death which they named as Near Death experiences..etc. And finally Hindu Scripture-
'Bhagavad Gita As it is' ..Give enough time to Study these and Live a life of Enlightenment. not of Ignorance. Dr Stephen Meyer is one of those honest Scientists who took the risk to stood against the misleading Scientific community. Just help Yourself to Find out the Truth about yourself, You are here not due to a Cosmic accident, you have a purpose to fulfill in the Human form of Life. We all are under the Influence of illusion created by the Matter and Energy. Wake up to your True Identity, only then you will be blissful. 'Shri Radhey Shyam'
@@monporoshneog4725 You are being fooled by the Atheist scientific establishment.
They are trying their best to get rid of GOD.
Evidence of GOD from Science has been piling up Constantly.
But the Atheist scientists mould the truth into the pre-existing Ideas and do not allow the Science to Lead to the Truth.
You are clearly a Victim.
Try to see the Full picture- Origin of Life,The new discoveries of overwhelming complexities just in a single bacteria cell which is no way possible by the product of a mindless random process
,Fine tuning of the Universe,
about Human consciousness-
how Doctors have found the existence of Consciousness after Death which they named as Near Death experiences..etc.
And finally Hindu Scripture-
'Bhagavad Gita As it is' ..Give enough time to Study these and Live a life of Enlightenment. not of Ignorance.
Dr Stephen Meyer is one of those honest Scientists who took the risk to stood against the misleading Scientific community.
Just help Yourself to Find out the Truth about yourself,
You are here not due to a Cosmic accident,
you have a purpose to fulfill in the Human form of Life.
We all are under the Influence of illusion created by the Matter and Energy.
Wake up to your True Identity, only then you will be blissful. 'Shri Radhey Shyam'
I stumbled on this while searching for Stephen Meyer’s talks and was pleasantly surprised. I really appreciated the way you respected Stephen and yet didn’t shy away from asking hard questions. I am going to subscribe! I am interested to see what comes from your other guests.
Brian, thank you for being intellectually honest and curious enough to bring on such guests as Dr. Meyer. Thought provoking, Good conversation. We need more openness and dialogue like this in the scientific community. Considering all ideas advances our quest and discovery of truth.
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Yes, I've been wanting Brett Weinstein to have him on his podcast but he hasn't, look forward to some good/hard questions I hope.
A Bret/Stephen conversation would be intensely interesting
As much as I would enjoy it it appears to me that the general approach to ID on the part of the intelectual dark web is to ignore it, continue to assert ateleological evolution as a fact and hope no one challenges them on the issue.
Brett isn't open minded enough to even consider that macro-evolution isn't a fact. Sad but true. Maybe one day he will be.
Brian, thanks for this interview! I stumbled upon this ID discussion 1st time more than 6 months ago. I am utterly fascinated by the subject and appear to have addiction now. I appreciate you taking risk with you open minded approach to the whole subject. Wishing all the best in the name of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Great episode. Love this kind of broad-scope conversation. Very refreshing! Keep them coming!
Thanks stay tuned for more great guests!!
An important point I feel is that even if we live in a materialistic, et alone a physicalistic universe surely that doesn't exclude anything, just that that anything has to be material, the logical sequence of the argument appears to go like this 1.Only the material exists 2.X is say spiritual 3.spiritual is not material 4.Therefore X can't exist, but all you have to do is say no X is material, so it's not materialism / physicalism that intrinsically excludes these things but a certain interpretation of those epistemologies, & if they then argue But we have no empirical evidence for X, then reply with "But we have no empirical evidence for not-X" And what about future discoveries, before there was any evidence for anything there wasn't, does that mean it didn't exist & then spontaneously came into existence?
Looking at this book online, it's released at the end of April the UK and will definitely listen to this, might help me to decide whether to purchase or not.
I preordered Return of the God Hypothesis in early March, I have been reading it since it's release; it's an amazing book! Incredible information.
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Using some of the distinguishing faculties of human consciousness:
Foresight, imagination, reason, self-awareness, self-knowledge, synthesization, critical thinking, and problem-solving.
What happens - sometimes over years of analysis, sometimes in a few milliseconds - when a human consciousness becomes aware of an arrangement of parts?
First, observation that it's composed of parts, i.e., more than one thing, physical or abstract, is involved.
Second, perception from experience that the arrangement is not random.
Third, realization that it can be interacted with in a useful way.
Fourth, recognition that it can be used to produce something, act upon something else or used to elicit an action.
Great questions and deconstructive answers. Brilliant.
Thank you for having Meyer as your guest. It was a healthy conversation.
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@@DrBrianKeating Perhaps my appreciation had less to do with any singular takeaway, as the broader fact that the subject is being responded to more seriously. The conversation as a whole was demonstrative that this is a rational, scientific inquiry with historic depth. It showed that Meyer is conversant with a breadth and depth of scientific, philosophical, and historic knowledge This in turn brings light onto inherent materialist bias in science. This does not mean one is "better" or "worse." But it does admit materialist bias is adversely affecting the freedom of inquiry. As to presentation, the conversation was complex but accessible to the lay person. Meyer was also asked to defend his position, which went beyond having him simply retell his book. Viewers need that sort of engagement of ideas. Again, Thank you. I will subscribe.
Really glad to have you here
My favorite takeaway, was that there is something known as the Wick Rotation used to solve math problems! Got me thinking of something I heard a professor once say, that as you progress in mathematics, there are a few distinct classes that indicate whether or not your brain is physically structured to proceed.. and that you can't study your way past them!
Also, would have loved to heard more about Stephen's thoughts on what happens after death.. specifically, the idea of oneness. Nearly all religions teach that we are all one, temporarily a separate drop of water while here on earth, but return to the ocean of consciousness when we die.. however, this seems to go against what we see with ghosts, NDE, and reincarnation. The evidence in all those cases suggest that your unique consciousness and personality persist after death.. so how can there still be an individual experience?
BTW, any plans to interview Bernardo Kastrup or Sam Harris? Ruth Kastner?
When we die, we don't lose our personality traits. Individual consciousness carries an accumulation of personality traits, desires and attachments of various births including the immediately preceding birth to the next birth.
When this carry over stops because of enlightment, and consciousness does not have any baggage, rebirth and reincarnation do not happen.
Consciousness,which enables awareness is quality less, eternal and it exists beyond the cyclical universe.
This is Advaitha vedanda of Hinduism.
K P NARASIMHAN.
Great topic and we should talk about it more often ... Science is beautiful, so is faith. Each one by their own right.
Thanks very much !
Intent and Purpose come only from a Designing Mind.
Design is not discerned just from something looking pretty or appearing intricate or being complex.
It is discerned from a purposeful arrangement of elements and purpose is detected by the performance of a function.
Higher orders of design can be distinguished by how functions mesh with the performance of other functions in the same environment or - denoting an even higher level of design - in timed concert with other functions to achieve an even greater objective.
Aback of all design is intent because design requires foresight.
Intent and Purpose come only from a Designing Mind.
So God is a theoretical physicist? 🤔 Let me guess... is he a middle aged White man too? You guys are SO original. We need more great thinkers like you to get us to think Out of the Box. Imagine God was an Old White Guy! Mind Blowing!!!
Modern Physics not only revolutionized the concept of causality, it also revolutionized the concept of existence. To be more specific, casualty doesn't mean something has to happen after the cause. It means if two events were time-like separated, it stays that way forever. Not to mention time and space are local concept. To extrapolate to the beginning of the universe, well, I would say it's not that solid even from physics perspective. Also, we know that classical existence means minimizing tree level action, it doesn't prevent any other alternatives in allowed physical state. Not only our observation doesn't mean we are in an exclusive reality, but also means that the things could have been existed decayed away. Unless one argue, it decays because it's by design?
One of the most underrated thinkers of are time most avoid him because he makes ppl uncomfortable
Indeed. Stay tuned for more with me and him in friendly debates
It is almost adorable how many people think that some supernatural God, in whatever form (ID, creationism, “intelligent” entity, etc..) is actually competing with any real naturalistic explanation for the diversity or the origin of life or literally anything in nature, for that matter.
As if something that does not even quality as real, is capable of providing an explanation. Given the demonstrable correlation with reality, the concept of the supernatural, let alone some specific deity, is if anything, in competition with unicorns and goblins for its sheer existence.
@@derhafi cool story bro
The only people I find more arrogant than intelligent design proponents are those physicists that believe that everything can be encompassed with in a single short equation.
1) Atheists have faith in "magic" without a "magician"...
2) Theists and Deists have faith in "Magic" with a "Magician"...
3) Atheists = something i.e., the "magic" of the universe comes from nothing...
4) Theists and Deists = something i.e., the "Magic" of the universe comes from a "Transcendent Magician"...
5) Pick your faith in one of two types of "Magic" noted above...but, it is certain that a faith you will have...
Thanks to Dr.Keating, being polite, but asking challenging questions. Another question: Is the cosmological fine-tuning-argument really good science, since it's impossible, to compare the initial conditions of our universe with the probability of others? Or gives quantum mechanics some tools/equations/universal wave-function to calculate it? Anyhow, the biological arguments of Stephen Meyer, in my opinion, are theological nonsense. There's nothing wrong in believing in God, but if humans could prove him/her scientific, like proveing the description of a phenomenon of nature, he/she would be a phenomenon of nature, and therefore not God.
Thanks for this great taboo breaking discussion! If I may, I'd like to suggest the sci-fi novel Calculating God by Robert J. Sawyer. An interesting view related to our informational era.
Thanks very much. I will have Andy Weir on next month for his newest book.
@@DrBrianKeating Great! Thanks a lot!
Of course!
Designed things give the clear impression of having a purpose.
Consider: If an arrangement of parts is
1) perceptible by a reasonable person as having a purpose and
2) can be used for the perceived purpose
Then its purpose was correctly perceived and it was designed by an intelligent mind.
This is why I say the universe was verifiably designed.
This impression of having been designed can be thought of as a universal property, transcending cultural context, subject matter expertise and philosophical predisposition.
So how do you go from that to the virigin?.....HUGE leap
How can we even contemplate what truly is? We are stuck in 4 dimensions (if we include Time which may be an artifact humans define, as an atom vibration count.)
summary of Meyer's argument: there are things we don't know in science, therefore there must be a god.
Slightly wrong: therefore there must be the god I believe in.
Meyer talks about a "pantheistic" East, but honestly, I don't see any pantheism in the East. It is a European concept and Europeans project their ideas onto other cultures (theosophy is to blame for it). Pantheism is the idea that the world is God, ie this world is like a self-regulating conscious mind and there is no God above the world. There are systems of Eastern spirituality where God is this world, but is also above the world and is its source. The world is like a manifestation of God, but it is not the wholeness of God. Buddhism is interesting because although it is considered atheistic, based on the words of the Buddha himself, it can be concluded that he considers himself to be the God from which the world emerged. He speaks of himself as a being who takes the form of a person to save all creatures. Buddhist scriptures:
“I am the core of all that exists. I am the seed of all that exists. I am the cause of all that exists. I am the trunk of all that exists. I am the foundation of all that exists. I am the root of existence. I am 'the core' because I contain all phenomena. I am 'the seed' because I give birth to everything. I am 'the cause' because all comes forth from me. I am 'the trunk' because the ramifications of every event sprout from me. I am 'the foundation' because all abides in me. I am called 'the root' because I am everything. " - Kulayaraja Tantra
"Thousands of millions of spheres are magically created by me, and they serve beings. Even there my Body cannot be grasped. Markless, signless, as is the sky - thus is defined my Body, which is ineffable and hard to understand. The Great Hero [ie, Buddha] is identical with the Absolute Body. Born of Dharma is his body; the Victorious One [ie, Buddha] cannot be conceived in the aspect of the Material Body. " - Samadhiraja Sutra
"Now this triple world, All is my domain; the living beings in it all are my sons. But now this place abounds with distresses; and I alone am able to save and protect them." - Saddharma Puṇḍarīka Sūtra
What a wonderful interview. This is the first time I've found this channel and was greatly impressed. I have a question for Dr. Keating, and anyone else who would like to attempt an answer. That question is, do you believe Steven Hawking's illness, and the obvious suffering he experienced as a result, in a certain sense caused him to become embittered towards a God hypothesis?
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I cannot speak to Hawking’s inner thoughts and suffering. It would be outlandishly presumptuous of me to do so. Speaking generally, I believe from my observations of people that suffering, the question of evil, and even heavy handed Christianity all contribute to unbelief. For most people the facts and observations only get them so far and there has to be a spark that fundamentally changes their worldview. Some people are too hurt or doubtful to undergo that change. It can be scary. Even the notion of being “unscientific” by believing in a God hypothesis or fine tuning can contribute to unbelief. This was even expressed in the very beginning of this video. There is only one truth. That is the goal of theists and scientists isn’t it? Truth... Then why the scoffing when the evidence may lead you to an alternative hypothesis? If God is the first cause, then you would think that a scientist would love to publish that paper proving that! But, I get the feeling that the ultimate truth is not the goal for some.
Awesome, finally someone like you are looking into this since on the surface at least it seems the ID position have several interesting points, exactly what I’ve been waiting for, ready to watch it now, hoping for a daring dive into the unknown.
This is excellent. At the various crossroads of knowledge is inquiry. Too many forget that.
Beautifully put
This is a great podcast.. That's all I got to say...
Thanks so muxh
Yes
Brian, great question at the end about whether or not it is possible to derive a Judeo-Christian God from a study of nature -- and quite a loquacious dodge of the question on Meyer's part. In fairness to Meyer, that has to be the most difficult question to ask a theist, on par or maybe even more difficult than the question of evil. Great interview.
Thank you, Luis!!
So you think the question of evil is difficult? Says more about you than your bias opinion of Meyer says about him. It's repletely rebuffed by many wise minds but I guess some people don't want to find the answer when they can create a strawman about their interlocutor.
There is no judeo-Christian God. There is jewish 'God's and there is Jesus Christ.
He comes here and argues for a vague god. Then goes back to his people and suddenly the Bible is true, the specific god is true and not any of the other 300 gods on Earth and all other stupid shit.
@@christopherwinner4 The concept of evil comes with a strong cultural bias and, in my eyes, presupposes the answer, namely a "Judeo-Christian" god.
Stephen Meyer is great, but I have noticed in his various lectures that when he talks about spiritual systems other than Judeo-Christian religions, he makes them very shallow. He describes Eastern spirituality in short as "pantheism". I do not believe that such an educated man sees only pantheism in the East. In one of the lectures he combined pantheism with the idea of "Brahman is Atma, Atma is Brahman" which has nothing to do with pantheism. Brahman is Oversoul and Atma is the individual soul. This idea speaks about the unity of the soul of man and God, and this philosophy is known in India as Advaita Vedanta. The soul that is real transcends the phenomenal world that is unreal. The world is unreal in the sense that it is a reality seen in a false way (through the prism of the mind) and is therefore referred to as illusory. It follows that this world is not something different from God, and it is wrongly associated with pantheism, which is something else entirely. In this philosophy, God exists as the infinite intelligence that is the source of this world. The world, however, is only a reflection of this infinite intelligence. It grows out like hair on the head.
As you can see, there are also other concepts different from Judeo-Christian design. There are some problems with this project. The Judeo-Christian God is separate from his creation. From what substance does the Judeo-Christian God create the world, since he is the only existing being before the creation of the universe? He only has himself. Therefore, the idea that this world is nondifferent from God is not without sense. Besides, planning is a process and the process takes time. There was no time before the Big Bang.
Anyone who unsubscribes just because you are discussing a subject they don't agree with, you are better off without.
Eph. 1:3,17
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms.
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in your knowledge of Him.
1 Pet 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By His great mercy He has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
John 20:17
“Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.’ ”
Heb 2:18 Because He Himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted.
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed.
Rev 3:12
The one who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will never again leave it. Upon him I will write the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God (the new Jerusalem that comes down out of heaven from My God), and My new name.
Jesus is NOT God!
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We are in process of “Detecting “ as Dr Meyer claims.
Just 200 years technology/scientific mind has started formulating this.
We are nothing.... to figure out this yet
One takeaway I have from this podcast is how disappointing it is to hear the likes of Newton and his contemporaries being sniggered at on occasion for their belief in alchemy and an ultimate creator. Newton himself talked about the benefit of standing on the shoulders of giants (he only had a few of them). Galileo was certainly a horse of a different colour, (a definite outlier back then). Today's physicists have had legions of giants to help with their intuition of how things might actually be. As for alchemy, it was natural to experiment with this when there was no Periodic Table on the wall to indicate otherwise. And i'm sure that Lawrence would be cooking up a fine brew were he in a 17th Century lab.
It is the preponderance of evidence that overwhelms the doubt.
Ruben Anthony Martinez, you wrote, "It is the preponderance of evidence that overwhelms the doubt."
I have heard that statement many times about evolution: sometimes worded as "mountains of evidence," others as "overwhelming evidence." They must hide that evidence away, perhaps in a museum basement, because I have never seen any of it.
Dan
@@BibleResearchTools or simply denial, a self-imposed blindness, it has been written; "there's no greater blindness, than the one that refuses to see."
Ruben Anthony Martinez, you wrote, "@Bible Research Tools or simply denial, a self-imposed blindness, it has been written; "there's no greater blindness, than the one that refuses to see."
You have the floor. Show us scientific evidence for evolution. No need for a mountain: a pebble will do.
Dan
@@BibleResearchTools you my friend, got it all wrong, evolutions is for fools. The theory of evolution epitomizes the stupidity of our generation!
Ruben Anthony Martinez, you wrote, "@Bible Research Tools you my friend, got it all wrong, evolutions is for fools. The theory of evolution epitomizes the stupidity of our generation!"
LOL! I agree 100%.
Dan
Would love to see David Berlinski on here, if ya can get him
I’ll try
Brian is one of very few REAL scientists; he actually has an open mind. Rather than a mind full of prior biases like most of today's celebrity, SO-CALLED, scientists and their vocal disciples.
Stephen is brilliant....
Would love to hear a Meyer/Harris dialogue.
Same
@@jojoanimations3 it would be cringe.
so have you seen "Exposing the Discovery Institute Part 1: Casey Luskin" on youtube
The greater the claim the greater the burden of proof. Multi-verse is a vastly greater claim/
The deeper the time claim the greater the claim as fights uphill against entropy.
To claim a change in entropy, a law of science, is a great claim. thus a great burden of proof, when comparing to a hypothesis not making that claim...
so far so good, at the 27 minute mark.
still solid into minute 52.
G-d of the gaps? G-d did (and does) it, and there are no gaps! Once one considers all the science, in max. avail context. Max context includes Torah testimony, as explained in/by the YeC Moshe Emes series for Torah and science alignment.
As Moses had it right to begin with, so has stood the test of time, as direct from the One designer/creator, who alone had/has 100% perspective..
For example no dark matter and dark energy are required, as normal matter alone is ample to explain the cosmological empirical observations, using just basic science, in the framework of SPIRAL's 'Pearlman vs Hubble' and 'GRIP' hypothesis on galactic rotation..
No need to invoke deep-time,. pure science could care less if thousands or billions..
If ID is a valid alt. ok to consider thousands not billions.
NDT Neo-Darwin model is deep-time dependent.
So falsifiable /falsified by if no hundreds of millions minimum years of continuous life on Earth required for it to be a viable hypothesis.
Assuming SPIRAL cosmological redshift hypothesis and model 150 Trillion + to one advantage over LCDM continues to hold up, it falsifies, for all practical intents and purposes, all deep-time dependent scientific hypotheses and assumptions..
Brilliant. Loved the interview.
Stephen’s argument can be sum up with this, the universe has information and life has information, if we see information (design), there must be a mind behind it. It is a miracle that mindless something created something. You have to choose your miracle.
Using the label “information” is probably a problem.
There is no requirement that the universe existed for a finite time; just that photons only exist linearly for a certain time before becoming turbulent.
If the math was actually right, there's exactly why we have what we have... there's really no magic, but is a matter of minimal energy and balancing... and tending toward a lowest energy state.
If there was a completely homogenous universe, left undisturbed, we probably wouldn't be here, but sometime somewhere was a ripple in the pond that allows the homogenous nature to become bipolar between mass and energy.
Black holes take energy (heat, photons, even matter in its energy-condensed form), and re-create new matter from the poles. No matter how fast a thing spins, there are always 2 points that are still not really moving, giving the energy a space to spin around itself and destabilize, until a maximum potential is collected there and it gets ejected with high forced from the poles (see:pulsars ). Our galaxy is certainly a 'pulsar' to someone. I'm surprised we haven't been looking for the 'beam of light' in the fog from our own black hole, it should surely be sending out similar X-ray emisions, but maybe because we're within its magnetic field, what we could see gets deflected away, and around.
Seems to me, photons are transmissions of torque... the math is also really similar to use gravity as a rotation axis towards itself, but intead of (axis-angle) it's (speed-direction) that it operates on. Magnetism seems to operate on both a thing's rotational and its velocity vector. Linear forces like collisions can cause torque too, and vice versa... so mass is also able to transmit torque and linear motion to other mass. (I really don't want to come up with a theory of everything, I just found rotations... someone else should/could take it and run with it)
Someday there might be a 'proton decay' but the proton is a composite of other things, which themselves could time-out and radiate... but I suspect the photon as a whole will end up finding another stray boson to absorb and eventually be 'a Ship of Theseus' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus that although it is itself still a photon, none of its constituent particles are still the same.
A true gift and dedication with life purpose for all to have Minds such as Dr Myers to do such scientific research to answer historical human myths
lol! your intro.... too funny. sending love!! keep up the amazing work!
Thanks very much !!
I think this guy is completely rational.Darwin didn't even know about bacteria much less the incredibly complicated DNA chain
The complaint of wastefulness when it comes to extravagance in creation is not valid when speaking of a creator with UNLIMITED resources of power and time.
Yes I think that’s true. Sean Carroll feels otherwise
I’m a smart guy, but I understood about 25% of this
That’s ok! It’s tough stuff for sure
The size and age of the universe are hardly a waste of space or time. In the absence of such vastness, could we even begin to comprehend the infinities of God?
Right
'God'' is a comforting idea made by primitives for primitives.
The domain of Darwin’s theory is BIOLOGY. It does not apply to none living universe, stars, galaxies, space, time, gravity etc. Richard Dawkins should stick to biology and not stretch his beloved theory of evolution across domains. Since when biologists became the vanguards of science?
Thank you. Great stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi Brian, Hawking said the editor of the American edition of his book insisted on that deist referencing ending, over his objections... So you probably shouldn't read too much into it. Cheers.
Functional proteins are rare and isolated. Each of them is an island amidst an ocean of non-functional proteins. There is no step-wise incremental path of gradual improvement for natural selection of random mutations to follow to transition from one functional protein to another. Therefore, neo-darwinian evolution, expressed as natural selection of random mutations, cannot be true. The only way functional proteins can be chanced upon by a random process is if they are "guessed" by the process all at once, hence the validity of Dr Meyer's big bike lock analogy. See the work of Douglas Axe for details about the "rare and isolated" point.
Very interesting. Will check out Axe
The main thrust of Axe's work was to prove the "rare and isolated" observation with mathematical rigor. Spim, your sarcastic remark is inaccurate and non-contributory. Notice that I claimed "there is no step-wise incremental path", without equivocating, then cited work that anyone can look up. However, before you jump directly to that work, I suggest you first brush up on your critical thinking skills and familiarity with logical fallacies, or you'll flounder again, even harder. This particular forum (UA-cam comment thread) is not appropriate for hammering out detailed arguments. My intention was simply to cite Axe's careful and thorough research for viewers' to follow up if they wish.
Professor Brian Keating’s podcast seems very serious, compared to other similar channels out there. It seems very serious on science. I always enjoyed physics in school, but lately it has turned a little confusing, at least to me. Perhaps Dr Keating can help to clarify things a little.
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I received delivery today, Dec. 22, 2021, of a book by astronomer Hugh Ross, PhD, University of Toronto, 1945- , titled, ' Why the Universe Is the Way it Is ', published in 2008. Would you please comment on whether you and Dr. Stephen Meyer are familiar with his work, and how it might tie in with, ' Return of the GOD Hypothesis '. Thanks.
Wonderful merry Xmas
You will be ok with your chosen interviews. I like all options on the table. Thank you Brian. I think qlg and relativity points to a godlike foundation too. Robert.
Factories has sales persons in there that does not have direct involvement in the building of a product. You determining something is relevant or irrelevant, is not only because your mind chose to, but someone else's mind also decided relevant or irrelevant to yours.
The Origins of the Intelligent Design movement
"Our strategy has been to change the subject so that we can get the issue of intelligent design - which really means the reality of God's creation - before the academic world and into the schools. This isn't really, and never has been a debate about science or the truth. It's about winning at any cost, and affirming the reality of the God of The Christian Bible, by challenging the domination of materialism and naturalism in the academic arena. With the assistance of many friends I have developed a strategy for doing this which we call "The wedge". But remember, we must avoid debating the Bible and the Book of Genesis at all costs because we do not want to raise the obvious Bible-science dichotomy. Our goal is, "how to win". Phrase the pseudoscience argument in such a way that you can get it heard in secular academia and in a way that tends to unify other science illiterates religious fence-sitters. You must also avoid getting sidetracked onto other issues (like empirical evidence) which our intellectual superiors people are always trying to do." -
Phillip E Johnson - the father of the ID/creation-science movement
Conclusion: Creationists/ID fans are dishonest cowards
Fasten your seat belts kids. We're going for a ride!
Instead of wrestling with God, they would come to understand the truth if they submitted to Him in faith, yes faith!! You mind is way too small to come to know the truth through your minuscule mind.
In the beginning God created both the heavens and the earth…. There is no other explanation that is both reasonable and practical.
Personally, I prefer to use physics to come up with gravity drive propulsion and an alternative to the Alcubierre drive that can work with a reasonable amount of energy, like a few kilowatts. Towards this goal, I prefer to use the actual mechanisms that make the physics of this universe work, even if that mechanism is created by Intelligent Design. It turns out that such a mechanism exists. It's one part "carrier of the physics constants", one part "wave function and the momentum/position/energy operators of psi", and it expands like a water ripple at the speed of light (which makes it perfectly adapted to special relativity). Since quantum entanglement is described with a wave function, then therefore, a quantum entanglement is a graviton.
Gravitational redshift is the connection between gravity and photon frequency. Using a graviton, it is possible to run this relationship in reverse. By creating a difference in the frequencies between two entangled photons, one can create a gravitational potential energy between them. Now we are in a better position to create the kind of gravity fields that the Alcubierre drive requires, without using exotic matter.
imagine unsubbing because someone has a theory and wants to argue his evidence to support that theory. weakness manifest.
I know
Thank God for "Return of the God Hypothesis." The failure to consider the Laws of Nature as inseparable from the Laws of Nature's God in proper scientific research and application is destroying society.
Thomas Steven Roth, MBA, MD
Christian Minister for Biblical Medical Ethics, and therefore, Scientific and Religious Refugee from the Clinical Practice of Psychiatric Standards of Care
Thanks very much Thomas