@@krucible9369 All the Content Creators need to stop overhyping laziness by Blizzard's Part sooner or later, Diablo 4 will be Pay to Win. Just watch. LOL
@@ArmageddonEvil yeah. If it's not going to release as p2w initially, something tells me it'll quickly become so given how much $$$ Diablo immortal has made
The saddest thing (almost as sad as Diablo Immortal getting THAT much money) is the fact, that as rightly upset as a LOT of people are right now... at least HALF of them are still going to throw money at Activision when Diablo 4 comes out. If at least 51% of us got our shit together and stopped throwing money at them, they'd be FORCED to improve.
@@BobOrKlaus mostly Asian (no offense 😅, just stating the stats) people don’t realize that. It’s why they’re getting most of their money from what I understand. I think Korea specifically.
@@marcar9marcar972 sadly you're right, the Asian market (especially Korean) is used to extremely predatory monetization (just look at any Korean MMO) so they have no problem paying stupid amounts of money for supremely mediocre games.
I'm disappointed in the players who let a mobile game make that kind of money, and killing the quality of games from that point forward. Edit: They knew *a year before OW2 release* that they were nixxing the campaign as we knew (and wanted) it. Yeah we'll still get crappy missions, so what? That's not what they advertised, it's not what we wanted. We've been playing (some of us buying passes) ever since in hopes of a great campaign update. They knew a year before the release. Could have said something at any time, but they knew it would have interrupted their income. It's sneaky and dishonest.
Its partly mobile gamers fault but not really, these mobile games are aggressively targeted at vulnerable people and they get gambling experts to design the game to be as manipulative as possible. They are designed to prey on natural human tendencies such as addiction and exploit people psychologically to make them addicted to spending, creating whales that are reliant on in game purchases
I’m 100% ok with mobile game doing as well as its doing. Quality and interest of gamers have been on a massive decline for decades. People consider shooters and mobas as peak competitive gaming leaving quality fighting game genres in the dust by a lot. I’m just glad OW community is going through this because it’ll still do fine even with this type of treatment proving none of this matters. All that matters is easy gameplay that babies can preform but believing that they are hyper competitive.
@@ZarelidT what so you don't enjoy controlling an ultra super mega cool hero with two f*cking abilities to memorize? or dare I say even 4 with a game as masterful and toxic and cheater free like League? (sarcasm) You're one hundred percent correct people are buying games to feel good now, they aren't buying games that tell them they suck, and they quit when the message does pop up. Companies cater and then it reinforces the behavior until you're like a boomer looking in from the outside wondering where all the like minded gamers went.
@@shacksonsolar I just think mobas and shooters are very easy games to get into therefore people see it as PEAK gamer skill expression and don’t try out other things. Literal suckers if you’re not a champion just stick to ONE game/one type of genre. Corporates play into what will get them addicted to most instead of the player thinking to actually grow and become more. Not being a boomer just seeing how everyone is just a sucker and now quality doesn’t matter because everyone’s a sucker. They brought it upon themselves.
I’ll never forgive them for killing OW1, I wish I could go back and play it again. As much problematic it often was, I remember saving money to buy it on my low spec PC, playing at low res without worries because it was just a great game, I loved it. Playing OW2 now feels pointless. I don’t want another F2P GaaS game.
why do you hate overwatch from a gameplay perspective? I’ve been playing since day 1 and remember that at that point there were a lot of complaints about balance. I don’t recall a time when the community was really pleased with the game. There have been complaints since the beginning
But the devs ARE puppets. As ambitious as the promise was, it is doable with enough resources and manpower. Blizzard's track record is full of impossibly ambitious projects that became massive successes upon completion. They set the precedent of what was possible. When the higher ups refuse to give you the resources and time (look up how often they were forced to change gears to other projects and lost months of dev time, only for them to be cancelled as well) and sabotage your team, it is difficult to blame the devs. The only thing I can blame the devs for are working for the company to begin with. But that's the thing: Most of them HAVE left. They brag about "doubling the size of the team" but also "having to split resources thin" because their hires, although greater in number, all mostly starry eyed juniors. The higher ups kept making unreasonable demands, sabotaging progress and arrogantly let the old guard walk out as if they were replaceable by the deluge of juniors coming in. In a large scale creative project like this, they aren't. Hence why we have the alleged "double sized team" composed entirely of incompetent bootlickers. Can we really blame the devs that walked away from the cruel company? Or the new hires that are just excited to work for such a large company? No, the blame falls squarely on upper management. Please just stop supporting the company. It really isn't as hard as you think. Do not play their games. There are a million games out there made by actual competent companies that deserve your support. As the company crumbles, the devs can jump ship to better companies themselves (they get laid off randomly anyway).
Yeah. I agree. The only thing Devs could do, would be to leak info about internal decisions, and that would have massive consequences. Just leave the game. Many players already are saying that they'll leave after this season. But i wonder, why even bother? If you're disappointed and want to leave, just leave.
As ambitious as the promise was, it is doable with enough resources and manpower. my problem with this statement is that it can be applied to anything give me enough money and time and i can build a tunnel to china. its how you use the resources that you have and being realistic with your expectations is how companys grow. not by throwing resources into a project that has no real vision. its like when you higher an engineer to design and build a product. any engineer can over build the crap out of it but it takes a skilled team to do it and make it cost effective.
@@nihili4196 I think for many people it's hard to leave something you used to love. The gameplay itself, the characters, cinematics, etc. We still love it all. But the thing that hurt was the promises and overselling to everything just to disappoint everyone. So for many people they wanna play this game one last time before they say goodbye to it. As for me, I haven't touched the game since, and it's mainly because I just don't have time.
People need to stop making the argument of 30+ hero’s. they don’t need to have all of them in the game from start. They can launch pve with a few and add more in the future.
Although I understand the sentiment, there are already heros in game, and many people would be disappointed with exclusion of their favourite hero. Also, this is massive problem, if you want to eventually add rest over time. Because you would want to release new content with old new heros, and that would have to be constantly rebalanced around new and old heros. And when you add the fact that OW gets new heros constantly, the amount of work needed to balance that mess on top balancing pvp is enormous. Over 30 heros is massive problem if you even remotely care about balance.
Even if they did have all them from the start it would be fine. I wasn’t expecting them to make a massive skill tree with every node being game changing. I expected maybe 5-7 really cool and unique nodes per hero and the rest would be filler number changes. They did show, at least one node was just number changes. And considering what they showed off in 2019 (I think this was all shown then), the Mei ice ball and auto freeze when doing the healing ability (it’s been 7 months since I played OW and I forget the names of things), Rein’s circular earth shatter, Soldier’s movable heal pad, Lucio boop into wall stun. It seemed like they already had a good start, and with 3 and a half years of development, it didn’t seem unreasonable to expect all that to be done if they were putting the PvP on life support.
@@nihili4196 wdym "would have to be rebalanced" were talking pureley about PvE here, there is no need for it to be perfectly balanced since its not against other players (and if you really are a meta slave in a PvE i feel bad for you, hope you get better soon)
@@BobOrKlaus Although I like the sentiment of "play whatever you want, it's pve", I've been playing MvM in team fortress 2 enough to know that's not how average community would act. So in game with so many heros and monetization based on cosmetics, you would want all of them to be viable in all gamemodes, so players will have a reason to customise as many heros as possible. Therefore you NEED to have all heros have some viable niche that they're only capable to fulfill, as well as be completely balanced so Meta would be comprised of many substitutes for a role instead of only correct and incorrect options.
Do you think they could even say the truth? many devs in game companies are just not able to say something about it because of an NDA or policies. They would’ve been in big problems if they did leak info. And they can’t just walk away either cause they still have mouths to feed
@@evalyne1105 Jared and Aaron are in positions of authority at the company. They aren't just regular devs taking orders, they are the ones giving the orders. They don't have to stay with Blizzard; they have enough clout to go literally wherever they want. I understand lower level devs, but these guys could have spoken up earlier or left like Jeff. The fact that he walked and they stayed, says a lot about their integrity. Aaron and Jared's integrity can be bought it seems.
Lead developers definitely should be held accountable. When I see "dont attack the devs" i think of the people coding and designing the game, not the decision makers. I consider them part of corporate once they reach lead status 😂.
There is no defense for people who knew that they weren't going to do what they promised before they sold Overwatch 2. At some point you have to take accountability for what you choose to work for. Sex scandals, ripping off customers with manipulative practices, no communication, disrespecting fans in public forums, racism, and lying were going on before this *new* Overwatch 2 scandal. The rot was always there and those we hold as heroes that left in recent years were there during the inception of a lot of these scandals that rocked Blizzard. I mean when does it become the responsibility of the person helping keep a toxic ship afloat? I mean we've known Blizz pays crappy for years if not decades and we still have to feel sorry for em?
@@zagreus3347 Which is why Blizzard themselves is allowed to layoff people in thousands and no one will say anything about it.. But when it's the UA-cam comments *oh boy..*
I've quit. I made the mistake of assuming things would get better for video games as a whole. I can't even count how many times I've been lied to and I still fall for this shit.
not played overwatch since they announced 2. Writing was on the wall years before that and OW2 was just a way to drive eyes back to them. I'm happy tho, made me go look at other games and now i have valorant and apex for my fps needs and ff14 for my pve needs. Enjoying all this fun overwatch content from youtubers!
3:15 It’s also insane to think they could get a game like borderlands with anything near the same polish, considering how long it’s taken for borderlands to evolve from 1 to 3 with all the game mechanics fully integrated in an enjoyable manner 4:15 The thing that sucks about the balancing as well, is that there isn’t a problem with allowing “metas” to exist for extended periods of time, you see it all the time in other multiplayer games like league and stuff, the issue is how healthy the meta feels for the players Most of the “metas” blizzard has allowed to persist have been extremely bad for the game (sojourn and goats), kinda continues to show that even the balance team is out of touch with what the community enjoys
The lesson here is: any large gaming company is a business first, which means they care about making money above anything else. Blizzard is no different. They sacrificed making a good game for a quick buck and scamming their fans.
im glad this community doesnt suck up and deal with it. when ow2 released i heard a lot of people on reddit responding to complaining people saying "its gaming industry now, it is how it is, they gotta make their money" and what a shit take is that. sit back and watch your favourite thing, your community fall apart. im glad people still refuse to throw dust in their eyes and forget about everything
I remember a lot of people would tell others to direct their anger at the publisher, not devs, whenever a game is poop. This is 2023, we have devs selling their soul for a quick buck and that's just EGS. I hope people would open their eyes and see that it's no longer just the decision of the publisher but rather both sides agreed to go in this direction. Now I'm not saying all devs are money hungry but it's increasingly clear that a great majority of them agreed and accepted the direction or else they would have left like Jeff did. Yes, every single one of them could have left so don't give me that "how would they feed their family if they quit?" bullcrap.
As a software dev, when I heard Jeff said "we made multiple versions of OW2" before launch... I knew the game already is being mismanaged. Either without clear direction or without a proper concept.
@@ashurad_fox5991 That is like the interesting part.. They just decided to make PVP Push game-mode mid-development of PVE for some reason? Not only that but PVE Hero mode, and PVE Story Campaign are separated from each other?.. But now with a sudden addition of PVP Push the question also became "Well, what do we do about the players of OW1?" and decision was to make it so that OW1 clients can use all of the new heroes, maps, modes and also play with OW2 players at the same time.. [ ua-cam.com/video/aM1oKTw83ao/v-deo.html - 20;49] [ ua-cam.com/video/hdhoV9pG5t0/v-deo.html - 8;54] Needless to say that's not what happened when OW2 released.. (The Original OW1 game was just shut down.) This whole situation is just confusing, the point was probably to make a PVE but then.. Suddenly PVP mode got decided on as well? Like.. huh? Couldn't you guys just wait after you've finished with PVE content first?
It's honestly a shocker to me that there's still so many content creators that were (obviously and completely justified in) being so angry at the pve being like that and what it meant, yet they still play the game and make content for it. Like, I don't care how many views overwatch brings, surely there is at least another game that can bring the same views
In its simplest form you cannot tell people you hear their concerns and are making a new game to help justify the concern of the old game then halfway through say your going to finally focus on the old game, it will never go over with anyone
Are you a child? The devs were the ones who literally could not code or make systems to make PVE work. This is not the fault of management alone. EVERYONE working in the PVE side of OW is to blame.
@@nophone9311 It's not a question of skill but time and resources. The higher ups set a way to high goal and the devs tried to reach it but ultimately failed. If your task is to "fly on the spot" you too would fail, but that doesn't not make it your fault for failing, does it?
Man the lack of understanding of game development and how it works in here is crazy. The programmers are not at fault, the environment artists are not at fault, the animators and riggers are not at fault. By attacking the devs you are defending the peoples who are actually at fault. The souless corporate suits incharge. The “they should’ve left the company” argument is stupid because that would only make overwatch 2 worse than the dumpster fire that it is. You can’t be like “why is overwatch 2 so bad?” And then blame the devs who stayed for not abandoning it. The people who were working on that pve that you wanted have no role to play in it not happening. Also every dev at every aaa company has signed an nda. The only people who we’re allowed to tell you is aaron and co
I’ve ignored the things developers and publishers say for a decade or so. If people wanted something other than microtransactions, then they wouldn’t be throwing time and money at such games. The mobile “free to play” games earn more money than the entire rest of the gaming industry. Ask yourself this, who in their right mind would make a normal game when you could be rolling around in money instead?
I wish another company, like an indie company, could have Overwatch and develop it. Strangers would probably care more about this game than Blizz does ):
They only told us about pve being scrapped because they had to. It was promised and they couldn't hide it any longer. If they could they wouldn't have told us at all but they knew they had to come out sooner or later so they waited for the right moment to get the least amount of push back and that is toward the end of a season when the following season is going to have a lot of stuff for it. Nothing in Blizzard is good anymore.
The absolute lunacy of people haying we should feel bad for the devs as they have lost all the work they did not that PVE is in the trash. Maybe if they were competent devs it wouldn't be in the trash. How hard is it to take a multiplayer game and add a PVE mode to it? Well it seems it is impossible to a multi BILLION dollar company.
Its so funny that when i think to myself what's the most fun i ve had playing an arena shooter the first thing that comes to mind is Demoman's emote from TF2...
Both the suits, and the devs are at fault here. And neither have deserved pity for a long time. If Activision-B team well and truly cared, they would have taken a page from Bungie's book, swallowed their losses, and left Activision to rot. Nobody working there should be given any sort of leeway, developer or not. They are making the conscious decision to stay and promote Activion's way of doing things. They are letting Bobby walk all over them, and are just blankly spitting out his PR bullshit. They're not making an effort to solve the problem, and thus are part of the problem. In a time where Bungie successfully walked away, and Indie studios are *thriving* Activision B-Team no longer has any excuse worth humoring.
I started ow when it became free in oct 2022 .I fell in love with that game and was exited for the pve and was even ready to pay full price for that mode.They could have had earned so much money sad wasted potential.
To be honest if you only started the game last year, it’ll only get better and better and you’ve been strung along the least. Play what you like and if you get tired, play something else.
@@GallusOW also got into the game 3 days after f2p, first i was lke, nah dont need to play it, then friends got me into it and i absolutely loved it, played around 250 hours or so since then. it was a good game, slightly unbalanced but thats fine since PvE is coming.... yeah, uninstalled it as soon as i heard the news, its a great game but its fallen off for me in the past month before the news about PvE so i wal like "nah, my friends stopped playing and game fell off with balancing ima just uninstall it too" so yeah
EXACTLY! The devs had 4 years with a demo and a lot of talents and they literally didnt do ANYTHING you know zelda tears of the kingdom? The game that launched like 2 weeks ago? IT WAS A TEASER BY 2019 what happened? Differently from the OW2 devs they worked and they made the mix of minecraft and BOTW even if the decision of cancelling PVE is a corporate decision the devs didnt do nothing!
I played OW every day since 2017. Since the announcement, I've completely stopped playing. There's only so much "copium" I can have, there's been too many issues surrounding this team and the game -- most of them involved trying to hide or omit critical details of game development after promising us more direct communication. I love that game, but if I ever play it again they will not see a single cent from me. There's still a lot of people forgiving this and spending money on $20 skins from the shop (total scam), so I'm sure me not playing won't matter to them.
Honestly, I would love PvE, but even then the 2 things i would love more than anything else is 1. 6v6 is back, and I dont mean end of OW1 6v6. I mean 6v6 with All the new Heroes, All the Reworks (except doom they butchered him), Less CC, and a big patch every 2 - 3 weeks. And because the new balance team is somewhat competent, things like 2x Shield or Goats wouldnt happen again, they would just patch it after a few weeks. 6v6 is just way more complex, you can play more tanks which in turn allows for more DPS to get picked. OW2 Tank feels so ass to me, because if you engage the frontline, your backline has no protection and this "Team Game" becomes a game of "Who can assasinated the backline first", Tanks just cant do everything Solo, they are not meant to do everything Solo. Also losing the synergies between tanks which encourages the teamplay is dogshit aswell. I might be stupid, but for casuals 6v6 and 5v5 shouldnt make much of a difference no? The only thing they see in 6v6 is 1 more person to shoot. And now that we dont even have an abundance of shields, they could actually shoot them. The only thing that justifies a swap to 5v5 in my opinion is Q times, but even those could be fixed if you made content for the game and kept it alive... 2. Old Ranked System / SR System. This new Ranked System is so ass i cant even put it into words. No Transparency to the Player where you OR your teammates are Skillwise, No way of knowing when you rank up/down, No way of knowing how much you need to get to the next rank and (this might only be a problem for a few people) you dont know when youre Top 500. Why should i mindlessly grind in GM when I dont know when the fuck im in Top 500. Who thought that was a good idea. This whole system caters to casuals who cant take it seeing their funny number go down and up, they get free wins or even better if they lose they still get promoted. The amount of plats in T500 in this game says it all, and that doesnt have to do with too many new players. I know im in the minority with 6v6 and it hurts me that waiting for my favourite game to finally get updates again for 4 years only for it to be way less enjoyable for me to play, but atleast i can hope that they change ranked again.
It’s not on the developers, most of them are probably underpaid 9-5 employees like the rest of us. It’s all on the management team. Same with Halo Infinite, MW2022, BF2042 etc…
The devs are the ones that worked for 3 years from 2019 to 2022 without having ANYTHING to show for it. I’m almost pretty sure they got lazy and had nothing done during that time
AAA Game Developers Mantra: -> Overpromise -> Underdeliver -> Apologize Note ending with "We are proud of our accomplishments and will continue to deliver high quality products in the future" -> Essentially turn the abandoned game into a Live Service -> Already leak or announce next incoming game/expansion/battlepass/roadmap -> Abandon Live Service after a couple years and make the game unplayable -> Repeat
Devs have no say on how many resources are given, what gets canned or how the monetization plays out. They are not in control. So no, I will not blame the devs. I hope they find better jobs and quit, but it's probably hard in the current employment market in LA.
Its so weird to me that i didn't know you and this is the first video i've seen of you, for most of it i thought i was watching a veteran million subscribers overwatch youtuber and it turns out you have only 3,7k!? Great video!!
now a month and a half strong of not playing, not that it was difficult. Im a competitive person and the system wasnt great before i just cant accept it. Im back playing csgo and other single player games
I think PvE was never coming to begin with, I genuinely believe that it was a trick to get people back into Overwatch. The fact PvE wasn't there on Day 1 should've been enough evidence of that, let alone the terrible unplayable launch that had a perfectly working shop. Because you know, gotta have a working monetization system over gameplay and story these days in the gaming industry
The fuck of it is that according to Sir Swag's sources, they actually could've pulled this off at the beginning, but then Kotick and Friends stuck their fingers in the pie.
I was a tier-2 tournament player for Overwatch, and the only thing OW2 got right in my opinion was the 5-player teams. I totally expected the PvE to be thrown out the window once Diablo Immortal started making the obscene amounts of money it did at release. I've completely quit both Overwatch 2 and CoD because the current Battle Pass price is stupid and it doesn't even pay itself, and I honestly feel like I'm wasting my time playing both of those. In classic Overwatch, even if you weren't moving up much on ranked, you still felt your time wasn't being wasted since you had the levels giving boxes for you to try and get a skin, and that was for me - and I think many others - what made us persist even on bad days. If there was a hybrid between classic lootbox-leveling system and the Battle Pass it would be fair enough, but leaving the game in its current state is just lame. Sad to see the game I once fell in love with going downhill so fast...
I think the main problem here is the higher ups only wanting money and the devs wanting to make an actual good game, plus the fact that the workers are getting underpayed. I am guessing they just was not motivated to work on this game because why tf would they? I blame the problems on the higher ups who did not give them enough to do what they wanted to. Blizzard was forcing them to make a game as fast as possible and make money as fast as possible. I just think that the devs and workers of the game are just as angry as us and that they were forced to make these shitty decisions.
Bro, comparing with Bored-erlands 3 is ironically inaccurate, because from the funs perspective BL3 for Borderlands series is actually the same shitty, disappointed, empty "sequel" as OW 2 for original Overwatch. Development of Borderlands 3 took 7 years NOT because it was revolutionary massive or intruduced deep gamedesign but because executive isues in Gearbox which lost major part of veteran's and creators of original Borderlands Universe. So its kinda the same hook that we have with OW2 now. Borderlands 2 took only 2 years to develop after original game and become undisputed masterpiece. DATS the correct BL game to compare with. The most accurate conclusion tells us that good games are not a derivative of a long development cycle, but primarily the result of purposeful work and competent management of talented, motivated people who have the goal of making a decent, exciting game, and not a bastard microtransaction store.
Stop defending players for buying into crap like this just because your one of them. I think the majority of us agree that preordering is bad given the landscape.. what does buying into battle passes and keeping up engagement into the game for something that doesn't exist yet, something that hasn't been shown to not be a flop yet, have different then preorders? It's literally worst.. preorder a game on steam and find out if you like it in the first two hours after release.. easy refund if you don't. I can guarantee nobodies getting refunds for any purchases they made in anticipation of the pve mode. Terrible consumer practices like this lead to further terrible company practices. Take diablo immortal, warcraft 3 reforged, and this overwatch pve ordeal as an indication of what to expect from blizzard.
the problem i have with this is that they were like "pve is basically cancelled, anyways here is the roadmap that doesnt have that much on it" like, if they are watering it down so much, WHY THE FUCK COULDNT THEY AT LEAST SHOW US SOMETHING OF HOW THE "NEW" MISSIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE? cant be that hard if you already cancelled shit to then record a minute of gameplay and show it to ppl can it?
Don’t defend them but don’t bash them. Bash corporate, the higher ups. The devs are no more than figureheads taking the blame while the real decision makers continue raking in money while making the ultimate choices like canceling hero missions and downgrading PVE. Hate the man (Bob Kotick) behind the curtain, not the curtain or floating head itself
the problem with BB was that they didnt know where they wanted to focus was the PvE or the PvP and also Randy Pitchford was solely focused on one upping OW that he didnt focus on his game. I'm not saying it was bad but it had potential but it was squandered at the door, personally i think Randy would have squandered the game in less time
There will always be these poor guys who will defend the devs, no matter what bad choices the devs make. They will always be afraid of hurting the devs with phrases that show disappointment, dissatisfaction or even just fair rant. Always fearing that this will discourage devs from bringing something new and good to the game. Those sycophants always say we should "compromise" with what the devs are willing to do. God, how I hate the word compromise when related to something Blizzard because it's always something minimal, unsatisfying and made as a mockery by the devs. Have Mercy.🤡🤡
My problem with the devs is their downright laziness, not focusing on the core game and instead on events, as well as not wanting to balance correctly, ignored GOATS, shield meta, and Sojourn for way too long, as well as abandoning Overwatch for years, focusing on Overwatch 2, instead of splitting between them.
It's not a mirror in the background, it's actually an evil clone from a parallel universe. Be careful friend, in that universe, they are convinced that Overwatch 2 is good
that last quote at 11:00 about people refusing to see the world as it is and other what it could be really hit me hard. im realizing nowadays that many people are like this and are far too in their own heads. I mean the twitter types who find any reason to get offended are a great example of someone lashing out when reality doesn't fit in with a utopian worldview. I think people just dream too much nowadays because the internet and our parents tells us we can do everything as children, instead of setting more moderate standards for what you as an individual can do. I'd rather set moderate goals for myself and achieve them than shoot for the stars and be disappointed when im not the best at everything ever.
Honestly, when they said confirmed for OW2 was gonna be f2p game, it was bound to come to ruins. Even on release day, they managed that fucked up for phone services issue that lasted for weeks & people couldn't go back to OW1 since they erase the game for second version of the same shit but with better graphics. I quit the game immediately and I send blizz to give me my money back since I paid for OW1 but they made excuses that so I couldn't get it back lol. What a disappointment
Not only have they single handedly ruined one of my favorite shooters they straight up cancelled the only reason for the sequel to exist in the first place. great going blizzard
What can they do with the Over watch team? How big is it compared to the Wow DLC team? They reworked the talent trees for all last DLC that was no minor feat and more classes to contend with too!
This is honestly a harsh thing to say. People like ActMan and Asmongold have clearly said time and time again that something like this is a business decision from corporate. They can't just clash against the higher ups, unless you're willing for the entire thing to just completely shut down altogether.
Nobody woke up and decided to just cut this game off. It was a gradual process by which they probably didn’t receive enough resources from the company, but they also were the ones who were not able to focus the development of the game toward any particular direction. They played Jack of all trades until it blew up in their faces and screwed all of us over
I think you're blaming the wrong people with this video. Overwatch 2's PVE concept was the right direction. Clearly, the big wigs at Activision refused to greenlight the resources to have two teams. There's no reason either game should have died. I can guaranfuckingtee you they greenlit a bunch of mobile games though. As you show in the video, the literal founder of the company quit during this time due to the greed.
I will defend devs. They are probably hard working people doing their best with what they can. Lots of them are underpaid. Lots of them work unpaid extra hours. That beign said, the higher ups are to blame for not providing enough resources for development and canceling what was promissed and hiding it. Most of the devs probably didnt even know about this decision, thats why Neuss said it was a hard week at team 4 too.
You are one of the biggest sheep’s off them all of you think all this bs is all from above and that the devs couldn’t do anything baaaa baaaa blizzard need people like you defending them
its much more rare to find people who havnt bought a battle pass, i can see why they just decided to abadon pve if they just want to be as greedy as possible
thank you for this video title. way too many people are giving the devs a pass. it's like giving nazi soldiers a pass because hitler was the one calling the shots
i'm still surprised people still trusted blizzard with this game, seriously did no one at any moment thought that they would just pull a "modern gaming" and just try to get money with little to no effort at all?
The cancellations of game titles happen quite frequently, and it's not a big deal. Additionally, the game was originally designed as a PvP experience, and PvE was impossible from the beginning. If you were to see the skill trees, there were over 2000 abilities, making it impossible We won't be getting any campaign we will be getting story missions. It's okay; let's stop making such a big deal out of it. And also, it's a very nice topic to talk about, as you all creators are doing it to get more views. We have all understood that.
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There is only one way you should be attacking Blizzard Developers with your wallet, by not paying for anything Blizzard or Activision.
Sorry Diablo 4 is about to come out and it’s a complete game that will sell millions right off the rip
@@krucible9369 All the Content Creators need to stop overhyping laziness by Blizzard's Part sooner or later, Diablo 4 will be Pay to Win. Just watch. LOL
@@ArmageddonEvil yeah. If it's not going to release as p2w initially, something tells me it'll quickly become so given how much $$$ Diablo immortal has made
@@ShooberTimber Yep, and that's why I have boycotted Acti-Blizzard, EA, and some other game publishers because of their greed over ways their games.
I was really looking forward to diablo 4 too. but after what happened to OW, yeah no fuck that
The saddest thing (almost as sad as Diablo Immortal getting THAT much money) is the fact, that as rightly upset as a LOT of people are right now... at least HALF of them are still going to throw money at Activision when Diablo 4 comes out. If at least 51% of us got our shit together and stopped throwing money at them, they'd be FORCED to improve.
yeah, i dont see why they wouldnt try to suck ppl dry through diablo too, and for some reason many ppl dont realize that
@@BobOrKlaus mostly Asian (no offense 😅, just stating the stats) people don’t realize that. It’s why they’re getting most of their money from what I understand. I think Korea specifically.
@@marcar9marcar972 sadly you're right, the Asian market (especially Korean) is used to extremely predatory monetization (just look at any Korean MMO) so they have no problem paying stupid amounts of money for supremely mediocre games.
I'm disappointed in the players who let a mobile game make that kind of money, and killing the quality of games from that point forward. Edit: They knew *a year before OW2 release* that they were nixxing the campaign as we knew (and wanted) it. Yeah we'll still get crappy missions, so what? That's not what they advertised, it's not what we wanted. We've been playing (some of us buying passes) ever since in hopes of a great campaign update. They knew a year before the release. Could have said something at any time, but they knew it would have interrupted their income. It's sneaky and dishonest.
Its partly mobile gamers fault but not really, these mobile games are aggressively targeted at vulnerable people and they get gambling experts to design the game to be as manipulative as possible. They are designed to prey on natural human tendencies such as addiction and exploit people psychologically to make them addicted to spending, creating whales that are reliant on in game purchases
I’m 100% ok with mobile game doing as well as its doing. Quality and interest of gamers have been on a massive decline for decades. People consider shooters and mobas as peak competitive gaming leaving quality fighting game genres in the dust by a lot. I’m just glad OW community is going through this because it’ll still do fine even with this type of treatment proving none of this matters. All that matters is easy gameplay that babies can preform but believing that they are hyper competitive.
@@ZarelidT what so you don't enjoy controlling an ultra super mega cool hero with two f*cking abilities to memorize? or dare I say even 4 with a game as masterful and toxic and cheater free like League? (sarcasm) You're one hundred percent correct people are buying games to feel good now, they aren't buying games that tell them they suck, and they quit when the message does pop up. Companies cater and then it reinforces the behavior until you're like a boomer looking in from the outside wondering where all the like minded gamers went.
Remember when people laughed at diablo immortal? guess who's laughing now. its really disgusting how they let blizzard get away with it.
@@shacksonsolar I just think mobas and shooters are very easy games to get into therefore people see it as PEAK gamer skill expression and don’t try out other things. Literal suckers if you’re not a champion just stick to ONE game/one type of genre. Corporates play into what will get them addicted to most instead of the player thinking to actually grow and become more. Not being a boomer just seeing how everyone is just a sucker and now quality doesn’t matter because everyone’s a sucker. They brought it upon themselves.
I’ll never forgive them for killing OW1, I wish I could go back and play it again. As much problematic it often was, I remember saving money to buy it on my low spec PC, playing at low res without worries because it was just a great game, I loved it. Playing OW2 now feels pointless. I don’t want another F2P GaaS game.
Exactly
I did the same I built a PC from scratch just to play overwatch and now it's cancerwatch not even worth playing anymore
why do you hate overwatch from a gameplay perspective? I’ve been playing since day 1 and remember that at that point there were a lot of complaints about balance. I don’t recall a time when the community was really pleased with the game. There have been complaints since the beginning
What do you miss about OW1 besides double barrier tank meta?
@@Carlos-yh2mb I say from my experience, not the community. No game is perfect, but the memories I made playing it during its peak is unforgettable
I lowered my expectations for Blizzard a long time ago.
Wise man. Not to say you can’t look forward to updates for overwatch, but caring about the game is exhausting at this point
Unfortunately true. Man, I wanted to work there so bad as a kid, It was my DREAM. Blizz is dead, burn it.
@@NoVACorpsGaming find your new Blitz?
Let me finish that statement...
"I then expected nothing from them and their games, and I still got disappointed everytime a news about them came!"
And annoyingly, you've had to keep lowering them.
But the devs ARE puppets. As ambitious as the promise was, it is doable with enough resources and manpower. Blizzard's track record is full of impossibly ambitious projects that became massive successes upon completion. They set the precedent of what was possible. When the higher ups refuse to give you the resources and time (look up how often they were forced to change gears to other projects and lost months of dev time, only for them to be cancelled as well) and sabotage your team, it is difficult to blame the devs. The only thing I can blame the devs for are working for the company to begin with. But that's the thing: Most of them HAVE left. They brag about "doubling the size of the team" but also "having to split resources thin" because their hires, although greater in number, all mostly starry eyed juniors. The higher ups kept making unreasonable demands, sabotaging progress and arrogantly let the old guard walk out as if they were replaceable by the deluge of juniors coming in. In a large scale creative project like this, they aren't. Hence why we have the alleged "double sized team" composed entirely of incompetent bootlickers. Can we really blame the devs that walked away from the cruel company? Or the new hires that are just excited to work for such a large company? No, the blame falls squarely on upper management.
Please just stop supporting the company. It really isn't as hard as you think. Do not play their games. There are a million games out there made by actual competent companies that deserve your support. As the company crumbles, the devs can jump ship to better companies themselves (they get laid off randomly anyway).
Nah it's not impossible ambitions, it's basically Borderlands without 10000 weapons, they are lazy assholes
Yeah. I agree. The only thing Devs could do, would be to leak info about internal decisions, and that would have massive consequences.
Just leave the game. Many players already are saying that they'll leave after this season. But i wonder, why even bother? If you're disappointed and want to leave, just leave.
As ambitious as the promise was, it is doable with enough resources and manpower.
my problem with this statement is that it can be applied to anything give me enough money and time and i can build a tunnel to china. its how you use the resources that you have and being realistic with your expectations is how companys grow. not by throwing resources into a project that has no real vision. its like when you higher an engineer to design and build a product. any engineer can over build the crap out of it but it takes a skilled team to do it and make it cost effective.
@@nihili4196 wasn't there a rumor that the devs had to sign an nda or something? just something i read from another comment tbh
@@nihili4196 I think for many people it's hard to leave something you used to love. The gameplay itself, the characters, cinematics, etc. We still love it all. But the thing that hurt was the promises and overselling to everything just to disappoint everyone. So for many people they wanna play this game one last time before they say goodbye to it.
As for me, I haven't touched the game since, and it's mainly because I just don't have time.
People need to stop making the argument of 30+ hero’s. they don’t need to have all of them in the game from start. They can launch pve with a few and add more in the future.
Although I understand the sentiment, there are already heros in game, and many people would be disappointed with exclusion of their favourite hero. Also, this is massive problem, if you want to eventually add rest over time. Because you would want to release new content with old new heros, and that would have to be constantly rebalanced around new and old heros. And when you add the fact that OW gets new heros constantly, the amount of work needed to balance that mess on top balancing pvp is enormous.
Over 30 heros is massive problem if you even remotely care about balance.
Even if they did have all them from the start it would be fine. I wasn’t expecting them to make a massive skill tree with every node being game changing. I expected maybe 5-7 really cool and unique nodes per hero and the rest would be filler number changes. They did show, at least one node was just number changes. And considering what they showed off in 2019 (I think this was all shown then), the Mei ice ball and auto freeze when doing the healing ability (it’s been 7 months since I played OW and I forget the names of things), Rein’s circular earth shatter, Soldier’s movable heal pad, Lucio boop into wall stun. It seemed like they already had a good start, and with 3 and a half years of development, it didn’t seem unreasonable to expect all that to be done if they were putting the PvP on life support.
@@nihili4196 wdym "would have to be rebalanced" were talking pureley about PvE here, there is no need for it to be perfectly balanced since its not against other players (and if you really are a meta slave in a PvE i feel bad for you, hope you get better soon)
@@BobOrKlaus Although I like the sentiment of "play whatever you want, it's pve", I've been playing MvM in team fortress 2 enough to know that's not how average community would act. So in game with so many heros and monetization based on cosmetics, you would want all of them to be viable in all gamemodes, so players will have a reason to customise as many heros as possible. Therefore you NEED to have all heros have some viable niche that they're only capable to fulfill, as well as be completely balanced so Meta would be comprised of many substitutes for a role instead of only correct and incorrect options.
Just lock them behind a paywall
People will conplain but eventually buy them anyways lmao
The devs lied to my face so many times. They're just as unethical as the executives.
fuck them for trying to keep their job right
Do you think they could even say the truth? many devs in game companies are just not able to say something about it because of an NDA or policies. They would’ve been in big problems if they did leak info. And they can’t just walk away either cause they still have mouths to feed
@@evalyne1105 Jared and Aaron are in positions of authority at the company. They aren't just regular devs taking orders, they are the ones giving the orders. They don't have to stay with Blizzard; they have enough clout to go literally wherever they want. I understand lower level devs, but these guys could have spoken up earlier or left like Jeff. The fact that he walked and they stayed, says a lot about their integrity. Aaron and Jared's integrity can be bought it seems.
@@aarongoozman Jared is a new hire though. Aaron on the hand is uggh.
The devs are just doing there best. The suits and management are at fault.
Lead developers definitely should be held accountable. When I see "dont attack the devs" i think of the people coding and designing the game, not the decision makers. I consider them part of corporate once they reach lead status 😂.
5:38 with that. I'll unleash my full hatred power just to see that.
There is no defense for people who knew that they weren't going to do what they promised before they sold Overwatch 2. At some point you have to take accountability for what you choose to work for. Sex scandals, ripping off customers with manipulative practices, no communication, disrespecting fans in public forums, racism, and lying were going on before this *new* Overwatch 2 scandal. The rot was always there and those we hold as heroes that left in recent years were there during the inception of a lot of these scandals that rocked Blizzard. I mean when does it become the responsibility of the person helping keep a toxic ship afloat? I mean we've known Blizz pays crappy for years if not decades and we still have to feel sorry for em?
Don’t defend the devs…..
Offend the devs!
For being told what to do by their boss
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They can choose to walk away!
@@nyxxose they need to feed their families
@@zagreus3347 Which is why Blizzard themselves is allowed to layoff people in thousands and no one will say anything about it.. But when it's the UA-cam comments *oh boy..*
@@Nayutune You still blame the heads of the company the devs aren't at fault
I've quit. I made the mistake of assuming things would get better for video games as a whole. I can't even count how many times I've been lied to and I still fall for this shit.
not played overwatch since they announced 2. Writing was on the wall years before that and OW2 was just a way to drive eyes back to them. I'm happy tho, made me go look at other games and now i have valorant and apex for my fps needs and ff14 for my pve needs. Enjoying all this fun overwatch content from youtubers!
3:15 It’s also insane to think they could get a game like borderlands with anything near the same polish, considering how long it’s taken for borderlands to evolve from 1 to 3 with all the game mechanics fully integrated in an enjoyable manner
4:15 The thing that sucks about the balancing as well, is that there isn’t a problem with allowing “metas” to exist for extended periods of time, you see it all the time in other multiplayer games like league and stuff, the issue is how healthy the meta feels for the players
Most of the “metas” blizzard has allowed to persist have been extremely bad for the game (sojourn and goats), kinda continues to show that even the balance team is out of touch with what the community enjoys
Look at all of blizzard's games, they couldn't even balance the PH of water.
The lesson here is: any large gaming company is a business first, which means they care about making money above anything else. Blizzard is no different. They sacrificed making a good game for a quick buck and scamming their fans.
Thank god Valve isn't a traded company
Which means no shareholders to slave them around
THANK YOU! Business isn’t a daycare, it’s not your customer’s job to defend and treat you with kid gloves on. Take responsibility!
If they want our money, they gotta damn sure make the product is WORTH our money
@@CBRN-115Specially if they want to charge 70$ for it
Amen!
im glad this community doesnt suck up and deal with it. when ow2 released i heard a lot of people on reddit responding to complaining people saying "its gaming industry now, it is how it is, they gotta make their money" and what a shit take is that. sit back and watch your favourite thing, your community fall apart. im glad people still refuse to throw dust in their eyes and forget about everything
I remember a lot of people would tell others to direct their anger at the publisher, not devs, whenever a game is poop. This is 2023, we have devs selling their soul for a quick buck and that's just EGS. I hope people would open their eyes and see that it's no longer just the decision of the publisher but rather both sides agreed to go in this direction. Now I'm not saying all devs are money hungry but it's increasingly clear that a great majority of them agreed and accepted the direction or else they would have left like Jeff did. Yes, every single one of them could have left so don't give me that "how would they feed their family if they quit?" bullcrap.
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Is it really that simple to just quit the company and find a better job?
The moment season 1 of the comp dropped i knew we gonna suffer.
As a software dev, when I heard Jeff said "we made multiple versions of OW2" before launch...
I knew the game already is being mismanaged. Either without clear direction or without a proper concept.
@@ashurad_fox5991 That is like the interesting part.. They just decided to make PVP Push game-mode mid-development of PVE for some reason? Not only that but PVE Hero mode, and PVE Story Campaign are separated from each other?.. But now with a sudden addition of PVP Push the question also became "Well, what do we do about the players of OW1?" and decision was to make it so that OW1 clients can use all of the new heroes, maps, modes and also play with OW2 players at the same time..
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Needless to say that's not what happened when OW2 released.. (The Original OW1 game was just shut down.)
This whole situation is just confusing, the point was probably to make a PVE but then.. Suddenly PVP mode got decided on as well? Like.. huh? Couldn't you guys just wait after you've finished with PVE content first?
It's honestly a shocker to me that there's still so many content creators that were (obviously and completely justified in) being so angry at the pve being like that and what it meant, yet they still play the game and make content for it.
Like, I don't care how many views overwatch brings, surely there is at least another game that can bring the same views
AAA monetisation has gotten so bad it's not even microtransactions anymore, it's full on MACROtransactions
In its simplest form you cannot tell people you hear their concerns and are making a new game to help justify the concern of the old game then halfway through say your going to finally focus on the old game, it will never go over with anyone
They blew it. They over focused on there mythic project Titan while letting OW success slip away from them.
"Stop defending devs"
I mean saying its their fault its pretty stupid they are emplyee they decide nothing.
They could of notified us about you know the canceled pve.
he's not saying it's their fault in the video either...
Are you a child? The devs were the ones who literally could not code or make systems to make PVE work. This is not the fault of management alone. EVERYONE working in the PVE side of OW is to blame.
@@nophone9311 It's not a question of skill but time and resources. The higher ups set a way to high goal and the devs tried to reach it but ultimately failed. If your task is to "fly on the spot" you too would fail, but that doesn't not make it your fault for failing, does it?
@@TheGGod Most likely not except they looked forward to a massive lawsuit.
Man the lack of understanding of game development and how it works in here is crazy. The programmers are not at fault, the environment artists are not at fault, the animators and riggers are not at fault. By attacking the devs you are defending the peoples who are actually at fault. The souless corporate suits incharge. The “they should’ve left the company” argument is stupid because that would only make overwatch 2 worse than the dumpster fire that it is. You can’t be like “why is overwatch 2 so bad?” And then blame the devs who stayed for not abandoning it. The people who were working on that pve that you wanted have no role to play in it not happening. Also every dev at every aaa company has signed an nda. The only people who we’re allowed to tell you is aaron and co
I’ve ignored the things developers and publishers say for a decade or so.
If people wanted something other than microtransactions, then they wouldn’t be throwing time and money at such games.
The mobile “free to play” games earn more money than the entire rest of the gaming industry. Ask yourself this, who in their right mind would make a normal game when you could be rolling around in money instead?
I wish another company, like an indie company, could have Overwatch and develop it. Strangers would probably care more about this game than Blizz does ):
It took me way too long to realize that there isn't another person on the other side of the room lol
Bobby Kotick looks like a goddamn goblin.
They only told us about pve being scrapped because they had to. It was promised and they couldn't hide it any longer. If they could they wouldn't have told us at all but they knew they had to come out sooner or later so they waited for the right moment to get the least amount of push back and that is toward the end of a season when the following season is going to have a lot of stuff for it. Nothing in Blizzard is good anymore.
The absolute lunacy of people haying we should feel bad for the devs as they have lost all the work they did not that PVE is in the trash. Maybe if they were competent devs it wouldn't be in the trash. How hard is it to take a multiplayer game and add a PVE mode to it? Well it seems it is impossible to a multi BILLION dollar company.
Its so funny that when i think to myself what's the most fun i ve had playing an arena shooter the first thing that comes to mind is Demoman's emote from TF2...
Both the suits, and the devs are at fault here. And neither have deserved pity for a long time. If Activision-B team well and truly cared, they would have taken a page from Bungie's book, swallowed their losses, and left Activision to rot. Nobody working there should be given any sort of leeway, developer or not. They are making the conscious decision to stay and promote Activion's way of doing things. They are letting Bobby walk all over them, and are just blankly spitting out his PR bullshit. They're not making an effort to solve the problem, and thus are part of the problem. In a time where Bungie successfully walked away, and Indie studios are *thriving* Activision B-Team no longer has any excuse worth humoring.
I started ow when it became free in oct 2022 .I fell in love with that game and was exited for the pve and was even ready to pay full price for that mode.They could have had earned so much money sad wasted potential.
To be honest if you only started the game last year, it’ll only get better and better and you’ve been strung along the least. Play what you like and if you get tired, play something else.
@@GallusOW also got into the game 3 days after f2p, first i was lke, nah dont need to play it, then friends got me into it and i absolutely loved it, played around 250 hours or so since then. it was a good game, slightly unbalanced but thats fine since PvE is coming.... yeah, uninstalled it as soon as i heard the news, its a great game but its fallen off for me in the past month before the news about PvE so i wal like "nah, my friends stopped playing and game fell off with balancing ima just uninstall it too" so yeah
Having grown up with blizzard games, i really wish Blizzard as a company would die
Just follow the money and there you shall find the roadmap for ow2. We all know this including the developers.
EXACTLY! The devs had 4 years with a demo and a lot of talents and they literally didnt do ANYTHING you know zelda tears of the kingdom? The game that launched like 2 weeks ago? IT WAS A TEASER BY 2019 what happened? Differently from the OW2 devs they worked and they made the mix of minecraft and BOTW even if the decision of cancelling PVE is a corporate decision the devs didnt do nothing!
I played OW every day since 2017. Since the announcement, I've completely stopped playing. There's only so much "copium" I can have, there's been too many issues surrounding this team and the game -- most of them involved trying to hide or omit critical details of game development after promising us more direct communication. I love that game, but if I ever play it again they will not see a single cent from me. There's still a lot of people forgiving this and spending money on $20 skins from the shop (total scam), so I'm sure me not playing won't matter to them.
Honestly, I would love PvE, but even then the 2 things i would love more than anything else is
1. 6v6 is back, and I dont mean end of OW1 6v6. I mean 6v6 with All the new Heroes, All the Reworks (except doom they butchered him), Less CC, and a big patch every 2 - 3 weeks. And because the new balance team is somewhat competent, things like 2x Shield or Goats wouldnt happen again, they would just patch it after a few weeks.
6v6 is just way more complex, you can play more tanks which in turn allows for more DPS to get picked. OW2 Tank feels so ass to me, because if you engage the frontline, your backline has no protection and this "Team Game" becomes a game of "Who can assasinated the backline first", Tanks just cant do everything Solo, they are not meant to do everything Solo. Also losing the synergies between tanks which encourages the teamplay is dogshit aswell. I might be stupid, but for casuals 6v6 and 5v5 shouldnt make much of a difference no? The only thing they see in 6v6 is 1 more person to shoot. And now that we dont even have an abundance of shields, they could actually shoot them.
The only thing that justifies a swap to 5v5 in my opinion is Q times, but even those could be fixed if you made content for the game and kept it alive...
2. Old Ranked System / SR System. This new Ranked System is so ass i cant even put it into words. No Transparency to the Player where you OR your teammates are Skillwise, No way of knowing when you rank up/down, No way of knowing how much you need to get to the next rank and (this might only be a problem for a few people) you dont know when youre Top 500. Why should i mindlessly grind in GM when I dont know when the fuck im in Top 500. Who thought that was a good idea.
This whole system caters to casuals who cant take it seeing their funny number go down and up, they get free wins or even better if they lose they still get promoted. The amount of plats in T500 in this game says it all, and that doesnt have to do with too many new players.
I know im in the minority with 6v6 and it hurts me that waiting for my favourite game to finally get updates again for 4 years only for it to be way less enjoyable for me to play, but atleast i can hope that they change ranked again.
Fumbled the golden goose. . . Now they're just polishing a turd. 😌
When I was younger, I wanted to do an internship at Blizzard. Not anymore...
It’s not on the developers, most of them are probably underpaid 9-5 employees like the rest of us.
It’s all on the management team. Same with Halo Infinite, MW2022, BF2042 etc…
The devs are the ones that worked for 3 years from 2019 to 2022 without having ANYTHING to show for it. I’m almost pretty sure they got lazy and had nothing done during that time
AAA Game Developers Mantra:
-> Overpromise
-> Underdeliver
-> Apologize Note ending with "We are proud of our accomplishments and will continue to deliver high quality products in the future"
-> Essentially turn the abandoned game into a Live Service
-> Already leak or announce next incoming game/expansion/battlepass/roadmap
-> Abandon Live Service after a couple years and make the game unplayable
-> Repeat
Stick to indies and only buy good AAA. It’ll show you where the REAL game industry is
@@marcar9marcar972 I usually only buy games 2 - 3 months into their release after heavily informing myself about it from different sources.
Devs have no say on how many resources are given, what gets canned or how the monetization plays out. They are not in control.
So no, I will not blame the devs. I hope they find better jobs and quit, but it's probably hard in the current employment market in LA.
Its so weird to me that i didn't know you and this is the first video i've seen of you, for most of it i thought i was watching a veteran million subscribers overwatch youtuber and it turns out you have only 3,7k!? Great video!!
now a month and a half strong of not playing, not that it was difficult. Im a competitive person and the system wasnt great before i just cant accept it. Im back playing csgo and other single player games
I think PvE was never coming to begin with, I genuinely believe that it was a trick to get people back into Overwatch. The fact PvE wasn't there on Day 1 should've been enough evidence of that, let alone the terrible unplayable launch that had a perfectly working shop. Because you know, gotta have a working monetization system over gameplay and story these days in the gaming industry
If they made the next Blackberry id buy it. Unfortunately, this aint it.
is the back mirror really needed?
Someone needs to Interview Jeff on Overwatch and what's going on
I heard the word "Starcraft" and it's the first time I've heard someone say the name in a long time. Man, I miss Starcraft.
The fuck of it is that according to Sir Swag's sources, they actually could've pulled this off at the beginning, but then Kotick and Friends stuck their fingers in the pie.
I was a tier-2 tournament player for Overwatch, and the only thing OW2 got right in my opinion was the 5-player teams. I totally expected the PvE to be thrown out the window once Diablo Immortal started making the obscene amounts of money it did at release. I've completely quit both Overwatch 2 and CoD because the current Battle Pass price is stupid and it doesn't even pay itself, and I honestly feel like I'm wasting my time playing both of those. In classic Overwatch, even if you weren't moving up much on ranked, you still felt your time wasn't being wasted since you had the levels giving boxes for you to try and get a skin, and that was for me - and I think many others - what made us persist even on bad days. If there was a hybrid between classic lootbox-leveling system and the Battle Pass it would be fair enough, but leaving the game in its current state is just lame. Sad to see the game I once fell in love with going downhill so fast...
I think the main problem here is the higher ups only wanting money and the devs wanting to make an actual good game, plus the fact that the workers are getting underpayed. I am guessing they just was not motivated to work on this game because why tf would they? I blame the problems on the higher ups who did not give them enough to do what they wanted to. Blizzard was forcing them to make a game as fast as possible and make money as fast as possible. I just think that the devs and workers of the game are just as angry as us and that they were forced to make these shitty decisions.
Bro, comparing with Bored-erlands 3 is ironically inaccurate, because from the funs perspective BL3 for Borderlands series is actually the same shitty, disappointed, empty "sequel" as OW 2 for original Overwatch.
Development of Borderlands 3 took 7 years NOT because it was revolutionary massive or intruduced deep gamedesign but because executive isues in Gearbox which lost major part of veteran's and creators of original Borderlands Universe. So its kinda the same hook that we have with OW2 now. Borderlands 2 took only 2 years to develop after original game and become undisputed masterpiece. DATS the correct BL game to compare with.
The most accurate conclusion tells us that good games are not a derivative of a long development cycle, but primarily the result of purposeful work and competent management of talented, motivated people who have the goal of making a decent, exciting game, and not a bastard microtransaction store.
I would like to add: Stop defneding Blizzard and playing their games.
Stop defending players for buying into crap like this just because your one of them. I think the majority of us agree that preordering is bad given the landscape.. what does buying into battle passes and keeping up engagement into the game for something that doesn't exist yet, something that hasn't been shown to not be a flop yet, have different then preorders? It's literally worst.. preorder a game on steam and find out if you like it in the first two hours after release.. easy refund if you don't. I can guarantee nobodies getting refunds for any purchases they made in anticipation of the pve mode.
Terrible consumer practices like this lead to further terrible company practices. Take diablo immortal, warcraft 3 reforged, and this overwatch pve ordeal as an indication of what to expect from blizzard.
In my days Blizzard was a great company. They've apparently managed to become the exact opposite.
2 MIL A DAY!?!?!?! 0:44 o and another W vid from gallus keep up the content my boi!
the problem i have with this is that they were like "pve is basically cancelled, anyways here is the roadmap that doesnt have that much on it" like, if they are watering it down so much, WHY THE FUCK COULDNT THEY AT LEAST SHOW US SOMETHING OF HOW THE "NEW" MISSIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE? cant be that hard if you already cancelled shit to then record a minute of gameplay and show it to ppl can it?
Don’t defend them but don’t bash them. Bash corporate, the higher ups. The devs are no more than figureheads taking the blame while the real decision makers continue raking in money while making the ultimate choices like canceling hero missions and downgrading PVE. Hate the man (Bob Kotick) behind the curtain, not the curtain or floating head itself
I'm going to keep saying it battle born did their whole walk-run plan from the start having pve and pvp with talent trees!
If only they didn't release the same time as overwatch did they would've done great. battleborn is what OW 2 tried to be
the problem with BB was that they didnt know where they wanted to focus was the PvE or the PvP and also Randy Pitchford was solely focused on one upping OW that he didnt focus on his game. I'm not saying it was bad but it had potential but it was squandered at the door, personally i think Randy would have squandered the game in less time
There will always be these poor guys who will defend the devs, no matter what bad choices the devs make. They will always be afraid of hurting the devs with phrases that show disappointment, dissatisfaction or even just fair rant. Always fearing that this will discourage devs from bringing something new and good to the game. Those sycophants always say we should "compromise" with what the devs are willing to do. God, how I hate the word compromise when related to something Blizzard because it's always something minimal, unsatisfying and made as a mockery by the devs. Have Mercy.🤡🤡
By the blood of Overwatch I have found your channel.
Not all was lost after all.
By the way, that Bastion burn you did will haunt me.
I'm not even huge on overwatch and yet I love your videos you are witty and insightful I genuinely hope you branch out to gaming in general man
My problem with the devs is their downright laziness, not focusing on the core game and instead on events, as well as not wanting to balance correctly, ignored GOATS, shield meta, and Sojourn for way too long, as well as abandoning Overwatch for years, focusing on Overwatch 2, instead of splitting between them.
If the devs new for months then ya they deserve it
The devs could grow a set and push back.
It's not a mirror in the background, it's actually an evil clone from a parallel universe. Be careful friend, in that universe, they are convinced that Overwatch 2 is good
5:38 Estou com medo D:
Overwatch ainda é divertido!
mas com Activision Blizaard estamos ferrados :(
that last quote at 11:00 about people refusing to see the world as it is and other what it could be really hit me hard. im realizing nowadays that many people are like this and are far too in their own heads. I mean the twitter types who find any reason to get offended are a great example of someone lashing out when reality doesn't fit in with a utopian worldview. I think people just dream too much nowadays because the internet and our parents tells us we can do everything as children, instead of setting more moderate standards for what you as an individual can do. I'd rather set moderate goals for myself and achieve them than shoot for the stars and be disappointed when im not the best at everything ever.
Criminally underrated channel, your delivery and humor is fantastic! Subbed :)
I mean I'm all for harassing the ones the do the freaky shit that the entire world seems to have forgotten about.
Actiblizz being the new EA makes me give up playing their games that aren't older ones or pirated classic Warcraft 3
jeff was an idiot tho', an old blizz dev from warcraft 3 explained how he suffer bullying from him
Either way it’s better then the SA
Honestly, when they said confirmed for OW2 was gonna be f2p game, it was bound to come to ruins. Even on release day, they managed that fucked up for phone services issue that lasted for weeks & people couldn't go back to OW1 since they erase the game for second version of the same shit but with better graphics. I quit the game immediately and I send blizz to give me my money back since I paid for OW1 but they made excuses that so I couldn't get it back lol. What a disappointment
Man i knew when they didn't have a date for pve and it went 5v5 it was a snack wrap.
Not only have they single handedly ruined one of my favorite shooters they straight up cancelled the only reason for the sequel to exist in the first place. great going blizzard
The Growing size of their team - New staff into marketing and social media to try smooth over more Mcts.
i hope Jeff K. Pursue his original vision with another Game developer studio
Like what I told everyone, overwatch 2 isn’t a failure, it’s a successfully carefully crafted scam.
No no, Jeff deserves to be defended. It’s Arron and everyone else that doesn’t deserve it.
Aleays hated Jeff with passion. Is beyond me why people loved him like a saviour. He was responsable for the game being broken for 6 years.
What can they do with the Over watch team? How big is it compared to the Wow DLC team? They reworked the talent trees for all last DLC that was no minor feat and more classes to contend with too!
This is honestly a harsh thing to say. People like ActMan and Asmongold have clearly said time and time again that something like this is a business decision from corporate. They can't just clash against the higher ups, unless you're willing for the entire thing to just completely shut down altogether.
The fact that people expected PvE from OW2 is beyond me, I kept telling it was a pay to patch...but oh well :)
Remember when video games used be about ENTERTAINMENT and FUN? Now it’s all about how much can we get more money out of our consumers
Nobody woke up and decided to just cut this game off. It was a gradual process by which they probably didn’t receive enough resources from the company, but they also were the ones who were not able to focus the development of the game toward any particular direction. They played Jack of all trades until it blew up in their faces and screwed all of us over
Given the quality of the last video on this one I'm shocked you had so much lower views before them.
I thought it was more management? As they found having to focus on the pve not good as they wanted to make more money through overwatch pvp?
Just wait until D4 breaks records. It’s going to suck away developers from overwatch like you won’t believe.
I haven't seen anyone stick up for them.
I think you're blaming the wrong people with this video. Overwatch 2's PVE concept was the right direction. Clearly, the big wigs at Activision refused to greenlight the resources to have two teams. There's no reason either game should have died.
I can guaranfuckingtee you they greenlit a bunch of mobile games though. As you show in the video, the literal founder of the company quit during this time due to the greed.
I will defend devs. They are probably hard working people doing their best with what they can. Lots of them are underpaid. Lots of them work unpaid extra hours.
That beign said, the higher ups are to blame for not providing enough resources for development and canceling what was promissed and hiding it. Most of the devs probably didnt even know about this decision, thats why Neuss said it was a hard week at team 4 too.
You are one of the biggest sheep’s off them all of you think all this bs is all from above and that the devs couldn’t do anything baaaa baaaa blizzard need people like you defending them
They are not underpaid nor do they work unpaid overtime- they do work their hardest, but stop acting like they're not responsible at all.
its much more rare to find people who havnt bought a battle pass, i can see why they just decided to abadon pve if they just want to be as greedy as possible
thank you for this video title. way too many people are giving the devs a pass. it's like giving nazi soldiers a pass because hitler was the one calling the shots
i'm still surprised people still trusted blizzard with this game, seriously did no one at any moment thought that they would just pull a "modern gaming" and just try to get money with little to no effort at all?
The cancellations of game titles happen quite frequently, and it's not a big deal. Additionally, the game was originally designed as a PvP experience, and PvE was impossible from the beginning. If you were to see the skill trees, there were over 2000 abilities, making it impossible
We won't be getting any campaign we will be getting story missions. It's okay; let's stop making such a big deal out of it.
And also, it's a very nice topic to talk about, as you all creators are doing it to get more views. We have all understood that.