A thought occurred to me; The Brompton being less efficient means you have to work harder to cover the same distance, so it will give you a better workout and keep you fitter, even though it takes a little longer. The tortoise wins again! Great video Sandy. All the best, John.
You must be fit! Great video. I have a six-speed and I would miss not having that extra range of gearing and finer adjustment. It is amazing you can get so close to the full-sized bike particularly since the Brompton is usually used for shorter trips.
Great comparison Sandy ! I'm not a cyclist any more (pushing 80) and to be honest was never a "Devout" one anyway. but the thing that grabs me is the price of things nowdays. I just can't seem to wrap my head around the cost of all things today, I've lived long enough to know that what things cost today do not meet up with the rise of Inflation. no way. so its good old Human greed that has tripled the cost of things. if not more . But lets face it Man and his greed has cost of a few Wars even. welcome to the human race. Thanks again for taking us along Sandy I always enjoy riding on your shoulder so to speak. And I was surprised that the difference was so small too! 73 ! agn Sandy Hp to CUDTL some day OM! de Ellis WA1RKS
The price of everything is rediculous now Ellis, it all boils down to greed, commercialism and dare I say it capitalism. The rich become richer and those in power namely our PM believe this is a good thing as it creates a "Trickle down" as the rich spend their money. But it has been proven not to happen. The UK PM has recently passed a bill enabling those with lots of money to exploit a tax hole and keep their more of their profits.
Interesting comparison. Speed is unimportant though. If you travel at 60 mph, that's a mile a minute, regardless of what vehicle you are in. The same is true of cycling, if you can average 10 mph, you'll cover 10 miles in about an hour. The most important thing (for me) is to enjoy the ride. I ride in all weather's, and like you, I own a few bicycles. I only hope I'll be able to keep doing it when I get to your age. You're an inspiration 👍
Interesting comparison Sandy. I was surprised that the difference wasn't greater. Just goes to show what great bikes the Bromptons are, especially given their versatility and, as you say, the ease with which you can use public transport to get you and the Brompton to some prime touring locations.
Nice comparison Sandy, I see a lot of Bromptons on my travels, perfect for stowing away in the luggage rack on a train, no need for a reservation either. A few years ago, I rode the infamous Marmotte which is nearly 20,000ft of climbing, including the Galibier and Alpe D’huez and I passed a chap doing it on a Brompton, I felt like a cheat doing it on a light weight road bike 😅
Well I’m surprised that I found this interesting, I thought it might be boring. Some interesting facts shared which was good. Every time I see you riding or hiking, I think all you’re doing is adding more years to your life which is great to see. I can’t but it’s nice to see someone motivated and gets enjoyment out of it. I tip my hat sir. Thanks for sharing. Tony.
I had the same problem with my freewheel whilst touring in the Alps, climbing the Col de Forclaz from Aigle to Chamonix. I looked down and saw that the lock ring had unscrewed and the bearing were drooping out and rolling back down the hill. Luckily we had the foresight to take a spare freewheel with us and the tools to swap it over, which we duly did and the bike was fine for the rest of the tour.
The good thing about the bicycle Bjorn or any bicyle is it doesn't need petrol, nor does it need road tax or have a licence plate and you can genrally fix them yourself. They can't control a bicycle:)
I have always used a freewheel grease injector. It is now an old and obsolete tool, but it seems to keep freewheels happy. I use a light grease, usually during the summer, so the grease will be well worked in before the winter. New grease in the winter will freeze and make the freewheel into a fixed gear. Thanks for the great content…
What more can I say about your videos, simply made however you always make them interesting, I really am envious of you I'm breathing heavily just watching you I'm still waiting for an operation on my knee which prevents me from cycling, I'll have to see how I am after the operation then I'll have too see if I can try to overcome my ME & Fibromyalgia which has taken its toll over the years. Thanks foe taking me along with you, its fully appreciated 🙏
Nice one, I’ve had a 6 speed Brompton since 2011 and I did a cycle/camp ride from Rossendale (about 18 miles north of Manchester) down the Welsh border and the Wye valley to Bristol to visit my nephew and his wife. After that, myself and the bike on the train at Temple Meads, up to Nottingham then cycled up to my mate’s pub at Skillington just south of Grantham, for a few days, then he put the bike in the boot of his Jag and drove me home as he had family visits there. I’m 68, been a cyclist on and off since I was seven and haven’t had a car since the 90s. I lived (still do) about 1000ft ASL on fell and moorland, so I modified, stripped down a Raleigh 3 speed bike for the terrain I wanted to ride (widest knobbly tires I could fit etc) my own hybrid/off roader when I was 12 with a bespoke 6 speed Sturmey Archer hub gear (built by an epicyclic gear specialist) which gave me a lower crawler and two higher top gears… a birthday present from my Uncle who was a top Lambretta scooter sales rep and had connections throughout the UK. Loved that bike, but it got nicked from outside the pub when I was home on leave from the RAF. I digress, but having had road, mountain and hybrid bikes, in terms of flexibility, I find the Brompton hard to beat as an everyday bike (T bag on the front with the Eazee wheels on the rack and the unfolded stem, it’s a small shopping trolley). Cycle to a night out which includes alcohol, taxi, bike in the boot and away home. Heading overseas, take it on the aircraft as hand luggage as it will fit in an overhead compartment. Caught in a downpour, fold it up and catch a bus or a train plus you can do a tour on it with T and rack bags. I reckon as a ride it’s in the mid to high 90% of a conventional bike, but that flexibility and the fact that you don’t have to leave it in the street easily makes up for that. The Brompton saddle isn’t bad, but I changed it for a Brooks B17.
i have a tourer , a Moulton and a Brompton. all three have their differences. My Moulton and brompton have same size wheels, the Moulton is much smoother due to the suspension. however the versatility of the Brompton wins the day. fits in the car, and fits on a shopping trolley. the only bike where i don't have a lock for. Keep the vids coming.
Excellent experiment Sandy. I have often wondered how the smaller wheeled folding bikes would compare to the larger non folding ones and I think that you offered an opportunity to make that comparison. I would think that the mountain bike versions would probably be somewhere between the folding bike and the large road bike. Maybe a little quicker than the folder but not quite as quick as the road bike. They all have their stronger points nd weaker points, but, they are all still enjoyable to own. I myself have a folding bike, a mountain bike, and an "old school" single speed bike and enjoy them all. Enjoy yourself my friend, thanks for sharing another day with us. See you on the next one.
Thanks Terry, the only bike I have yet to ride is a real light weight road racers bike, but for the 3 bikes that I own, there isn't much to choose between them
A time trial on a Brompton. That must of been hard work. I would struggle with only 3 gears. If u want to borrow a 8kg carbon road bike with 22 gears for comparison. Let me know. Take care Sandy. Martin WB
Thank you for the information. There is a large network of paved rail trails quite a few miles from my home. Too far to travel with a conventional bike on a temporary carrier on my car. I love the idea of folding up a bike and being able to hide it in the car.
Hi Sandy .Great video as always , Just in case Paul messener mentions you in his last video. You have may have watched . . Always nice to get a shout out .
A good comparison. I no longer have an alternate road bike at all. My cycling needs have changed and I am glad I have the Brompton. Efficiency does interest me but I have redirected it to how to get more efficiency from the Brompton. I have managed to improve my average speed on the Brampton (2014 model H6) by switching to Continental Urban tyres and finally getting the extended seat post along with a Brookes Cambium 17 saddle. I have a more efficient riding position. My GPS on the fitness app now shows I am consistently exceeding my previous average speed. For me the Brompton has advantages in efficiency in other ways. 1. It is an efficient bike because I keep it inside the study and folded. This means it takes so much less effort to get it ready to ride. If I take into account set up time (unfold -ride) the Brompton’s sheer convenience factor means it gets ridden much more often. I know larger wheels are more efficient on the road so the further you go the better they are. The difference isn’t huge. 2. One of my favourite short rides is the short trip to the local supermarket. I use the rear rolling rack and bag. This means I don’t need to stop and lock shop then unlock the bike to a post etc. For some tasks the Brompton is definitely much more “efficient” in other ways.
Thank you for the ride along and info Sandy. Made me want a Brompton eeven more! Hope you don't get any more bikehaps.. you've had a bit of a run on them! Take care
Thanks for the video Sandy, very interesting as normal! I’m sure someone has already mentioned it but a full sized track pump would make pumping the Brompton’s tyres up a lot easier. I use a Joe Blow track pump on my brommie and wouldn’t use a hand pump unless I was in a fix. You’re certainly right about keeping the tyres pumped up to 100 psi, it’s a real slog if they are under inflated.
The Kingsdown arms, I had a job interview in there, It was amazing the first time Ive had an interview got a job at goosey (20 miles away) and had 2 pints of arkles ditch water at an interview !, Narm ShriveNARM I used to live there ! Best wishes Sandy love the videos XX
The Kingsdown Inn, that brings back memories. i remember having a night on Arkells "3 Bs" i think it was called. Better than any laxative you can buy. Had a few nights in the Glue Pot down near the Railway village too. Had some good nights out in Swindon.
When I got my Brompton I asked the same question and found that on the Brompton I could do my favourite 23 mile loop only about 5 mins slower than my big wheeled bike. I don’t worry about speed any more, I love the Brompton and don’t care if it is slower. I put a B17 saddle on it.
I'm very surprised the Brompton wasn't a lot more less efficient. Quite interesting little bikes and love the dedicated luggage and accessories you can get for them
Thanks Sandy for the comparison. I've had my Brommie for a few weeks now, mine has 6 gears and I think that makes life easier. It comes on the train as part of my commute and at the weekend its taken down some local trails that it probably has no right to be on, but it copes well enough (I get some funny looks from the mountain bikers!). Agree with you about the saddle. I've just swapped it out for a Brooks B17, it's already proven to be a game changer and I've not even broken it in yet! It's a wonderful bike though, the more I ride it, the more I like it! It'll be coming out for its first bushcrafty camp in a fortnight (a video shall follow!). Thanks as always for sharing 👍
Always a good idea to keep a folding bicycle in sight rather than leaving it locked outside. My folding bicycle was stolen last year the first time I left it on a railway station platform in Liverpool. It was locked to a bicycle stand below a security camera during daytime ! The D Lock had been opened by forcing the keyhole locking mechanism probably with a screwdriver. With hindsight I should have taken it on the train. Despite leaving my contact details I was never contacted by the Railway Company.
There was just a report on BBC radio and an interview with the CEO of Brompton bikes. Veyy interesting and informative. Each style of bike of course has its limitations. It seems this bike can at least hold its own on 30 mile or less road trips. You are right in that 6 speed hub might be better but again compromises must be made.
i have one of those pumps too, they’re very good 😊. Fast ride, that for sure. You know, the Brompton is made for travels to work and back with a ride on train or bus involved.
I have the same problem with my mtb - it has done me proud for a few years. I have found a cassette for the rear- schwarbes for tyres -- I don't have a Garmin as yet, I'm using a phone app.
Great video Sandy, yes not to much difference in traveling time but the Brompton does have some different advantages as you say over the usual design of bike. Touring though on any bike is and should be a mostly flexible journey in as much biking to places of interest, coffee stop, pub stop etc. and not to wear one's self out and give your self a longer time out to achieve one's aims, anyway I look forward to the next, take care Sandy 👌👏
QED - Sandy - and you proved the point that’s its horses for courses - Brompton brilliant for the ‘shops’ but the full size wheels and gearing win out in my book. Keep on the saddle ie. Brooks Bro. 👍🚴
Great comparison the bike did really well I thought the different might have been more goes to show that the Brompton is a really good solid bike. Keep up the good work and stay safe.
Thanks Sandy, I do have a Dahon My24 with a Sram DualDrive 24 gears Hubcasette. It is good on hills as also on speed. But still not as good as a normal bike. Because of the smaller tires. And I changed all my B17 to Cambium carved. Now the pain is gone. 😉 Have a fine evening. Cheers from 🇩🇪
@@WiltshireMan Can recommend the cambium carved. Do have c15 on my race bike and my light trekking bike and a c17 on my travel bike. Still need one for my Dahon folding bike. 😃 But you have to wear them in like the leather saddles. That’s my experience.
Lovely video…….it’s swings n roundabout’s , some people love spinning small gears like Lance Armstrong along with blood doping of course….. but little ol me has always been a big ringer!!! Security wise my old vindec fixie used to be lipstick fuchsia pink with black rims,bars and an old B17…..for some unknown reason the local kids didn’t want to nick it…
Another interesting metric to add to your date would have been heart rate. A smartwatch would be able to provide the data. Heart rate would be a good indicator of effort.
That is a solid effort, Sandy. We are the same age, and I've been a cyclist for 45 years ( some of it racing at elite level). I wouldn't want to ride for an hour in cargo trousers and trainers, never mind the distances you are clocking up. I'm strictly carbon fibre, lycra, and cycling shoes for my rides. I very much enjoy your adventures. Keep up the superb work.
@@WiltshireMan I watched that, and it looked like great fun. It's on my list to do it myself, but I'm in the East Midlands. It certainly took it's toll on your bike!
30 years ago my son 13 did evening 10 time trials on a racing bike and usually did it in 21 minutes he done the same route on a mountain bike and took 5 mins longer and was totally knackered
Hi Sandy,a good informative video,you certainly don’t hang about on the Brompton,I think it’s horses for courses & it’s nice to have a choice of two bikes,do you agree?,atb Colin P.
At some future date, you should try a Smart watch or some Fitness APP as I would be interested to know what the calorie burn is between the effort put in for both bikes. I guess that adding the difference, should there be one to that 7% loss of efficiency 'might' give a better idea of what you're likely to experience over long distance, multi-day journeys.
A cheap handlebar-end mirror positioned low on handlebar stem gives a good view of traffic behind (view through legs and under saddle). It works well for me on my folding bike.
One data point isn't really enough to be confident that it is less efficient. I've had variations of that much on the same bike and route with only small changes in temperature, wind, or other weather conditions (or even personal physical readiness). If on the other hand he had significant differences, like say 17 mph and 13 mph, I'd feel confident that one was better than the other.
Interesting comparison there Sandy.You would think there would be a greater difference. My Brompton certainly feels slower than my 700c wheeled bikes. Perhaps it’s the lack of gears on the Brompton which always feels like you are not quite finding the right cadence compared to a wider gear range on a conventional bike. Thanks for making the video, very though provoking.
I would say that 7% is within variables due to temp/pressure/r in the month lol etc. Both have advantages. The Brompton has many (folding etc, but smaller wheels tend to wear out tyres faster etc (pos bearings?). Only time will tell. Horses for courses.
Not bad for a bike that’s designed for towns & cities travel. I saw a girl on her way to Oxford with a Brompton in the bus station yesterday. She folded it up in 15 or so seconds and put it in a carry bag and got on the bus. Well impressed.
I reckon if you had a 6 speed brommie vs what I assume your riding is a 3-speed A-line that 7% less efficient would drop to something more like 4%, the wider gear range would reduce you spinning out on the declines and improve hill climbing speed. They really are amazing bits of kit. I was going to pick up a new A-line but stumbled upon a unused but second hand M6L for the same price so snapped it up! Tbh i'm more about comfort than speed though, so I'll be looking to swap to the H type stem at some point for a nicer more upright riding position.
I continue to be amazed by my Brompton, I also ride MTB and the Brompton is much quicker than that style of bike. The only thing it's not so good at is the rougher terrain.
I would also say 50t and 6 gears would be closer as would kojak or continental urban tyres. That is a good av speed. I tend to be about 11.5mph but it is pretty hilly in South Somerset. Not much difference in speed compared with my Thorn lw tourer either especially as I am not that used to the drops and larger wheels. Enjoying your adventures
My thorn is 2001 vintage XTC 26 inch wheels, which was an insurance replacement for a thorn Audax. Bike is actually heavier than the Brompton at 13.2kg. But built to last really under used as Brompton took over
I thought that was pretty impressive Sandy, bearing in mind that the Brompton was never designed to be a 'speed' bike. If you had the six-speed rear mech plus the taller gearing the comparison would have been closer and I think the difference may have been minimal. Very interesting overall. Noel
Hi Noel, Yes I agree, with taller gearing things would have been a bit closer. I am pleasantly surprised to know that it's not too far behind a normal bike. I'd love a bike with a Rohloff hub. I'm doing my research:) Thorn as you mentioned do make some lovely bicycles
Hi Sandy. Just thinking about your other full size bike problem. Couldn't you just fit new bearings and make sure the locking ring is tightened correctly, it would save you buying a complete new chain set. Love your vids, keep them coming matey.😉
Just needs a new freewheel on the other bike,. they cost £19. I could buy new bearings, it would be cheaper but looks like there is some scoring in the bearing race. The chainset is for yet another bike, my MTB
I’ve a 6 speed electric c line Brompton. The speed variable is not an important factor for me - I want to enjoy the ride and do a reasonable mileage on a ride that varies from shopping and chores to a short spin out ( 25 miles ) . The Brompton is a very harsh ride - especially at 100 psi - I run at 85 psi as speed isn’t my goal - in fact the slower you go the more comfortable the ride and the more enjoyable as you can sappreciate your surroundings more -however I cannot match comfort of my other bikes BUT it’s the convenience of being able to hop on a train and go to a city or town to explore -do some shopping and not worry about leaving the bike - hop in the car without messing around with racks.I got the electric because I live in a hilly area and you can adjust the support level on your phone to give you no support or three levels of support- so you get as much exercise as you want . I have just tried the Brooks cambium C17 and it’s bloody awful - I will persevere but I have switched out of the Brompton and was using a saddle I had in the shed from one of my Trek tourers and it really is good so if the brooks doesn’t ride in I’ll switch back to that -
Hi Rob, Yes high tyre pressures do transmit more shock through to the rider. Interesting to hear your thoughts on the Cambium saddle. I think if I do buy another saddle it'll be a standard B17 made from leather
Ok I have given up on my brooks saddle and I’m using a Trek Bontrager Nebula Unisex Bicycle Fitness Hybrid Saddle and I’m not changing it !!! I LOVE MY BROMPTON
Hi Sandy, just a quick question, We were in Arundel on Tuesday and spotted a sign in relation to a 625 mile walk called Monarchs Way, Is this a trail you have tackled ? It must be the longest I've seen.. Atb Tom..
Sorry that you're having so many mechanical problems And as a lifetime biker I highly suggest only putting 35 lb of pressure in your tires anything else is a very large compromise of exploding rims 40 is usually the maximum I would ever do but I even stay away from that as I said the most I do is 35 Very interesting comparison though
Thats a difficult question to answer Charles. Me and my old tourer go back 40 years and it does ride nice and is comfy with the Brooks saddle, The MTB has the ability to do some rough terrain and that for me means no cars, so I love that, and the Brompton actually is quite a pack horse with the ability to carry 10kg on the front and a rucksack on the back, I'd give them 33.3% love each I reckon:)
Like you I love off road and the country side, especially the no cars. While I enjoy my road bikes and MTB, the smile while out on my Recumbent Trike, surpasses the other two by miles. It’s great to have a choice though. My enjoyment is to get out cycling and hopefully find a good photo along the way. Have fun keep peddling 🚴♂️🚴♂️👍👍😀
Bromptons are built as urban commute bike that can be fold small to be kept at home or on public transport. It excel in what it is meant for. Many use it beyond the intended purpose. Now plenty of copycats.
Yes, maybe it is being used beyond it's intended purpose but that just goes to prove one thing, it is capable of achieving more than it's intended purpose. As for copycats there is a saying. "There is nothing new under the sun" It has all been done before!
I would say I put around the same effort in but for me I feel the fullsized bike just rolls a bit better and is more comfortable but thats mostly down to the saddle. I have a Brooks on the fullsized bike. I'll buy one for the Brompton when I can afford too
Even tho the Brompton is not a fast bike it still a little Swiss Army knife of a bike. Your ride around Bath would not have been near as enjoyable to watch if you were going twice as fast.
The bypass was built around 30 years ago. They had an option to take a southern route or a Northern route. The southern route would have ran parallel to a railway and had fewer obstructions and the terrain was flat. The northern route was more problematic with ancient archeology, a river and hills oh and also has a council estate on the northern outskirts. The wealthy of the village live on the southern side.....The bypass route goes on the northern side
Sandy, this "mini bike" is not for those accomplishements. You're a real Kamikaze doing that. Go back to the eternal phisics. Larger wheels with the same sprocket, better displacement. Older is not always bad. New is... Hum, just new and cooler, isn't?
A Brompton is a horrible bike. I know as an owner of a much modified and now more than Superlight (8,75 kilo, with mudguards!). Its only good side is the amazing fold. The small wheels rolls a lot less effective than larger ones. You can do the same as on an ordinary bike but it takes more effort to do it! Finn. Denmark
It does have quick steering but you do get used to that, as for speed I did a test and it is slower than a conventional bike but not by very much at all
@@WiltshireMan I have seen Charts here giving the Rolling Resistance of bike wheels compared with their size! And no doubt that the size Matters! A Brompton feels light and easy, but you do feel the resistance during longer rides. I also owns a Hand Built, Superlight MTB with ordinary 700C wheels, as a Racing bike size, and of course the wider tire wheels also gives more resistance, but it is much less heavy to ride. Finn. Denmark
@@WiltshireMan I have a Titanium Crank with ceramic balls, as in my Head Set, to make it as light rolling as possible. I have thought about new ceramic balls in the wheels also, but that will need a major rebuilt. Finn
There are many folk who have documented long distance travel in comfort and convenience using these bikes so the fact that it has been done and done a lot is all the proof anyone should need. Check out Brompton traveller on UA-cam amongst many others he has toured the world on a Brompton
A thought occurred to me; The Brompton being less efficient means you have to work harder to cover the same distance, so it will give you a better workout and keep you fitter, even though it takes a little longer. The tortoise wins again! Great video Sandy. All the best, John.
You must be fit! Great video. I have a six-speed and I would miss not having that extra range of gearing and finer adjustment. It is amazing you can get so close to the full-sized bike particularly since the Brompton is usually used for shorter trips.
There's not a lot in it Tim, I would like a few more gears on the Brompton though
Amazing video dude ! Thanks ! It's crazy how Brompton bikes are so fast and efficient. Have a great day !
My next video which goes live tomorrow 6th October 2024 features a Brompton:)
Great comparison Sandy ! I'm not a cyclist any more (pushing 80) and to be honest was never a "Devout" one anyway. but the thing that grabs me is the price of things nowdays. I just can't seem to wrap my head around the cost of all things today, I've lived long enough to know that what things cost today do not meet up with the rise of Inflation. no way. so its good old Human greed that has tripled the cost of things. if not more . But lets face it Man and his greed has cost of a few Wars even. welcome to the human race. Thanks again for taking us along Sandy I always enjoy riding on your shoulder so to speak. And I was surprised that the difference was so small too! 73 ! agn Sandy Hp to CUDTL some day OM! de Ellis WA1RKS
I can relate to that. Bushyboy Oz
The price of everything is rediculous now Ellis, it all boils down to greed, commercialism and dare I say it capitalism. The rich become richer and those in power namely our PM believe this is a good thing as it creates a "Trickle down" as the rich spend their money. But it has been proven not to happen. The UK PM has recently passed a bill enabling those with lots of money to exploit a tax hole and keep their more of their profits.
Interesting comparison. Speed is unimportant though. If you travel at 60 mph, that's a mile a minute, regardless of what vehicle you are in. The same is true of cycling, if you can average 10 mph, you'll cover 10 miles in about an hour. The most important thing (for me) is to enjoy the ride. I ride in all weather's, and like you, I own a few bicycles. I only hope I'll be able to keep doing it when I get to your age. You're an inspiration 👍
Interesting comparison Sandy. I was surprised that the difference wasn't greater. Just goes to show what great bikes the Bromptons are, especially given their versatility and, as you say, the ease with which you can use public transport to get you and the Brompton to some prime touring locations.
Hi Steve, I was expecting a bigger difference too so I'm pleasantly surprised:)
Nice comparison Sandy, I see a lot of Bromptons on my travels, perfect for stowing away in the luggage rack on a train, no need for a reservation either.
A few years ago, I rode the infamous Marmotte which is nearly 20,000ft of climbing, including the Galibier and Alpe D’huez and I passed a chap doing it on a Brompton, I felt like a cheat doing it on a light weight road bike 😅
I owned Brompton A line and its fast and efficient bike. It’s good as I expected
Well I’m surprised that I found this interesting, I thought it might be boring. Some interesting facts shared which was good. Every time I see you riding or hiking, I think all you’re doing is adding more years to your life which is great to see. I can’t but it’s nice to see someone motivated and gets enjoyment out of it. I tip my hat sir. Thanks for sharing. Tony.
Thanks Tony, I have my fair share of aches and pains and sometimes have to push through that but I do feel better for the exercise
I had the same problem with my freewheel whilst touring in the Alps, climbing the Col de Forclaz from Aigle to Chamonix. I looked down and saw that the lock ring had unscrewed and the bearing were drooping out and rolling back down the hill. Luckily we had the foresight to take a spare freewheel with us and the tools to swap it over, which we duly did and the bike was fine for the rest of the tour.
My friend, they should pay you. I am becoming strangely fascinated by that little bicycle now!
The good thing about the bicycle Bjorn or any bicyle is it doesn't need petrol, nor does it need road tax or have a licence plate and you can genrally fix them yourself. They can't control a bicycle:)
I have always used a freewheel grease injector. It is now an old and obsolete tool, but it seems to keep freewheels happy. I use a light grease, usually during the summer, so the grease will be well worked in before the winter. New grease in the winter will freeze and make the freewheel into a fixed gear. Thanks for the great content…
What more can I say about your videos, simply made however you always make them interesting, I really am envious of you I'm breathing heavily just watching you I'm still waiting for an operation on my knee which prevents me from cycling, I'll have to see how I am after the operation then I'll have too see if I can try to overcome my ME & Fibromyalgia which has taken its toll over the years. Thanks foe taking me along with you, its fully appreciated 🙏
I hope you are soon able to retrun to cycling. Good luck with your knee op
Nice one, I’ve had a 6 speed Brompton since 2011 and I did a cycle/camp ride from Rossendale (about 18 miles north of Manchester) down the Welsh border and the Wye valley to Bristol to visit my nephew and his wife. After that, myself and the bike on the train at Temple Meads, up to Nottingham then cycled up to my mate’s pub at Skillington just south of Grantham, for a few days, then he put the bike in the boot of his Jag and drove me home as he had family visits there.
I’m 68, been a cyclist on and off since I was seven and haven’t had a car since the 90s. I lived (still do) about 1000ft ASL on fell and moorland, so I modified, stripped down a Raleigh 3 speed bike for the terrain I wanted to ride (widest knobbly tires I could fit etc) my own hybrid/off roader when I was 12 with a bespoke 6 speed Sturmey Archer hub gear (built by an epicyclic gear specialist) which gave me a lower crawler and two higher top gears… a birthday present from my Uncle who was a top Lambretta scooter sales rep and had connections throughout the UK. Loved that bike, but it got nicked from outside the pub when I was home on leave from the RAF.
I digress, but having had road, mountain and hybrid bikes, in terms of flexibility, I find the Brompton hard to beat as an everyday bike (T bag on the front with the Eazee wheels on the rack and the unfolded stem, it’s a small shopping trolley). Cycle to a night out which includes alcohol, taxi, bike in the boot and away home. Heading overseas, take it on the aircraft as hand luggage as it will fit in an overhead compartment. Caught in a downpour, fold it up and catch a bus or a train plus you can do a tour on it with T and rack bags.
I reckon as a ride it’s in the mid to high 90% of a conventional bike, but that flexibility and the fact that you don’t have to leave it in the street easily makes up for that. The Brompton saddle isn’t bad, but I changed it for a Brooks B17.
Very good, yes I agree with what you say. The flexibility of the Brompton makes up for the 10% or less of losses. Thanks
i have a tourer , a Moulton and a Brompton. all three have their differences. My Moulton and brompton have same size wheels, the Moulton is much smoother due to the suspension. however the versatility of the Brompton wins the day. fits in the car, and fits on a shopping trolley. the only bike where i don't have a lock for. Keep the vids coming.
Another enjoyable ride. Thank you Sandy.
Excellent experiment Sandy. I have often wondered how the smaller wheeled folding bikes would compare to the larger non folding ones and I think that you offered an opportunity to make that comparison. I would think that the mountain bike versions would probably be somewhere between the folding bike and the large road bike. Maybe a little quicker than the folder but not quite as quick as the road bike. They all have their stronger points nd weaker points, but, they are all still enjoyable to own. I myself have a folding bike, a mountain bike, and an "old school" single speed bike and enjoy them all. Enjoy yourself my friend, thanks for sharing another day with us. See you on the next one.
Thanks Terry, the only bike I have yet to ride is a real light weight road racers bike, but for the 3 bikes that I own, there isn't much to choose between them
A time trial on a Brompton. That must of been hard work. I would struggle with only 3 gears. If u want to borrow a 8kg carbon road bike with 22 gears for comparison. Let me know. Take care Sandy. Martin WB
Thank you for the information. There is a large network of paved rail trails quite a few miles from my home. Too far to travel with a conventional bike on a temporary carrier on my car. I love the idea of folding up a bike and being able to hide it in the car.
Hi Sandy .Great video as always , Just in case Paul messener mentions you in his last video. You have may have watched . . Always nice to get a shout out .
Thank you for sharing your adventure! Cheers!
A good comparison. I no longer have an alternate road bike at all. My cycling needs have changed and I am glad I have the Brompton. Efficiency does interest me but I have redirected it to how to get more efficiency from the Brompton.
I have managed to improve my average speed on the Brampton (2014 model H6) by switching to Continental Urban tyres and finally getting the extended seat post along with a Brookes Cambium 17 saddle. I have a more efficient riding position. My GPS on the fitness app now shows I am consistently exceeding my previous average speed.
For me the Brompton has advantages in efficiency in other ways. 1. It is an efficient bike because I keep it inside the study and folded. This means it takes so much less effort to get it ready to ride. If I take into account set up time (unfold -ride) the Brompton’s sheer convenience factor means it gets ridden much more often. I know larger wheels are more efficient on the road so the further you go the better they are. The difference isn’t huge. 2. One of my favourite short rides is the short trip to the local supermarket. I use the rear rolling rack and bag. This means I don’t need to stop and lock shop then unlock the bike to a post etc.
For some tasks the Brompton is definitely much more “efficient” in other ways.
Very true, The Brompton has remained a firm favourite for me for exactly the same reasons you have stated:)
Thank you for the ride along and info Sandy. Made me want a Brompton eeven more! Hope you don't get any more bikehaps.. you've had a bit of a run on them! Take care
Great ,,, Quite amazed how well you did on tht Brompton Sandy 🚴
Thanks for the video Sandy, very interesting as normal! I’m sure someone has already mentioned it but a full sized track pump would make pumping the Brompton’s tyres up a lot easier. I use a Joe Blow track pump on my brommie and wouldn’t use a hand pump unless I was in a fix. You’re certainly right about keeping the tyres pumped up to 100 psi, it’s a real slog if they are under inflated.
The Kingsdown arms, I had a job interview in there, It was amazing the first time Ive had an interview got a job at goosey (20 miles away) and had 2 pints of arkles ditch water at an interview !, Narm ShriveNARM I used to live there ! Best wishes Sandy love the videos XX
Always enjoy your videos and will look forward to the next one then.
The Kingsdown Inn, that brings back memories. i remember having a night on Arkells "3 Bs" i think it was called. Better than any laxative you can buy. Had a few nights in the Glue Pot down near the Railway village too. Had some good nights out in Swindon.
When I got my Brompton I asked the same question and found that on the Brompton I could do my favourite 23 mile loop only about 5 mins slower than my big wheeled bike. I don’t worry about speed any more, I love the Brompton and don’t care if it is slower. I put a B17 saddle on it.
Not worrying about the speed is a very good mindset to have. Cycling becomes so much more fun then!
I'm very surprised the Brompton wasn't a lot more less efficient.
Quite interesting little bikes and love the dedicated luggage and accessories you can get for them
Interesting stuff* Thank you for taking the time to share :-)
I really didn't think the time would be that close. You are way quicker than me for average speed. ❤️
Thanks Sandy for the comparison. I've had my Brommie for a few weeks now, mine has 6 gears and I think that makes life easier. It comes on the train as part of my commute and at the weekend its taken down some local trails that it probably has no right to be on, but it copes well enough (I get some funny looks from the mountain bikers!). Agree with you about the saddle. I've just swapped it out for a Brooks B17, it's already proven to be a game changer and I've not even broken it in yet!
It's a wonderful bike though, the more I ride it, the more I like it! It'll be coming out for its first bushcrafty camp in a fortnight (a video shall follow!).
Thanks as always for sharing 👍
Good choices on the Brompton Barney
Very informative Sandy, thank you
Always a good idea to keep a folding bicycle in sight rather than leaving it locked outside. My folding bicycle was stolen last year the first time I left it on a railway station platform in Liverpool. It was locked to a bicycle stand below a security camera during daytime ! The D Lock had been opened by forcing the keyhole locking mechanism probably with a screwdriver. With hindsight I should have taken it on the train. Despite leaving my contact details I was never contacted by the Railway Company.
Sorry to hear about your bike theft Stevie
There was just a report on BBC radio and an interview with the CEO of Brompton bikes. Veyy interesting and informative.
Each style of bike of course has its limitations. It seems this bike can at least hold its own on 30 mile or less road trips.
You are right in that 6 speed hub might be better but again compromises must be made.
i have one of those pumps too, they’re very good 😊. Fast ride, that for sure. You know, the Brompton is made for travels to work and back with a ride on train or bus involved.
Nice one. Your average of 22km/hr is good going in my book for the Brompton
I have the same problem with my mtb - it has done me proud for a few years. I have found a cassette for the rear- schwarbes for tyres -- I don't have a Garmin as yet, I'm using a phone app.
Maybe lower rise handlebars, and the Brooks saddle, will go a long way to long distance comfort, ? Great video btw, 🚴🚴
Great video Sandy, yes not to much difference in traveling time but the Brompton does have some different advantages as you say over the usual design of bike. Touring though on any bike is and should be a mostly flexible journey in as much biking to places of interest, coffee stop, pub stop etc. and not to wear one's self out and give your self a longer time
out to achieve one's aims, anyway I look forward to the next, take care Sandy 👌👏
Thats very true Phillip, when touring just relax and enjoy the ride:)
QED - Sandy - and you proved the point that’s its horses for courses - Brompton brilliant for the ‘shops’ but the full size wheels and gearing win out in my book. Keep on the saddle ie. Brooks Bro. 👍🚴
Great comparison the bike did really well I thought the different might have been more goes to show that the Brompton is a really good solid bike. Keep up the good work and stay safe.
Thanks Sandy,
I do have a Dahon My24 with a Sram DualDrive 24 gears Hubcasette. It is good on hills as also on speed. But still not as good as a normal bike. Because of the smaller tires.
And I changed all my B17 to Cambium carved. Now the pain is gone. 😉
Have a fine evening.
Cheers from 🇩🇪
Ah I've heard about the Cambium carved saddle, I'll do some research me thinks:) Thanks
@@WiltshireMan Can recommend the cambium carved. Do have c15 on my race bike and my light trekking bike and a c17 on my travel bike. Still need one for my Dahon folding bike. 😃
But you have to wear them in like the leather saddles. That’s my experience.
I have the six speed brompton and I think it's more helpful to my aging body. Enjoyed the video. It's good to get out.
Lovely video…….it’s swings n roundabout’s , some people love spinning small gears like Lance Armstrong along with blood doping of course….. but little ol me has always been a big ringer!!! Security wise my old vindec fixie used to be lipstick fuchsia pink with black rims,bars and an old B17…..for some unknown reason the local kids didn’t want to nick it…
I just like to spin and easy gear mostly Edward
Another interesting metric to add to your date would have been heart rate. A smartwatch would be able to provide the data. Heart rate would be a good indicator of effort.
That is a solid effort, Sandy. We are the same age, and I've been a cyclist for 45 years ( some of it racing at elite level). I wouldn't want to ride for an hour in cargo trousers and trainers, never mind the distances you are clocking up. I'm strictly carbon fibre, lycra, and cycling shoes for my rides. I very much enjoy your adventures. Keep up the superb work.
Thanks Chris,
I recently completed the King Alfreds way in cargo trousers and trainers:)
@@WiltshireMan I watched that, and it looked like great fun. It's on my list to do it myself, but I'm in the East Midlands. It certainly took it's toll on your bike!
So now the Suki and the einfield is on sale! It seems to me that the Brompton motor is very effektiv!
Haaaha No.Suzuki and Enfield not for sale. Motocamping next week!
I prefer a 29er. 29" wheels gets you further with less peddling & you feel fewer bumps in the roads! 😉
Absolutely sandy there's nothing like a brooks sadle, interesting comparason, cheers.
30 years ago my son 13 did evening 10 time trials on a racing bike and usually did it in 21 minutes he done the same route on a mountain bike and took 5 mins longer and was totally knackered
A lot more rolling resistance on an MTB Joe
Hi Sandy,a good informative video,you certainly don’t hang about on the Brompton,I think it’s horses for courses & it’s nice to have a choice of two bikes,do you agree?,atb Colin P.
Hi Colin, it's nice to have the choice of many bikes:)
At some future date, you should try a Smart watch or some Fitness APP as I would be interested to know what the calorie burn is between the effort put in for both bikes. I guess that adding the difference, should there be one to that 7% loss of efficiency 'might' give a better idea of what you're likely to experience over long distance, multi-day journeys.
The little Garmin works out the approximate number of calories burned Robert but I didn't put that info up
@@WiltshireMan Fairy snuff.
A cheap handlebar-end mirror positioned low on handlebar stem gives a good view of traffic behind (view through legs and under saddle). It works well for me on my folding bike.
I would like to fit one of those. Good idea
@@WiltshireMan I used one of the cheap ones from ebay that are fitted with an elastic rubber strap.
I have a 6 speed Brompton. Would be interesting to do the same route on that.
It’s impressive that it’s only 7% less efficient overall. It’s a stylish bike. You have nice scenery out there.
One data point isn't really enough to be confident that it is less efficient. I've had variations of that much on the same bike and route with only small changes in temperature, wind, or other weather conditions (or even personal physical readiness). If on the other hand he had significant differences, like say 17 mph and 13 mph, I'd feel confident that one was better than the other.
Interesting comparison there Sandy.You would think there would be a greater difference. My Brompton certainly feels slower than my 700c wheeled bikes. Perhaps it’s the lack of gears on the Brompton which always feels like you are not quite finding the right cadence compared to a wider gear range on a conventional bike. Thanks for making the video, very though provoking.
I would say that 7% is within variables due to temp/pressure/r in the month lol etc.
Both have advantages. The Brompton has many (folding etc, but smaller wheels tend to wear out tyres faster etc (pos bearings?). Only time will tell. Horses for courses.
Interesting comparison to your other bikes Sandy 🤔
Not bad for a bike that’s designed for towns & cities travel. I saw a girl on her way to Oxford with a Brompton in the bus station yesterday. She folded it up in 15 or so seconds and put it in a carry bag and got on the bus. Well impressed.
15 seconds fold is quite good Mark, I can do it in around 20 seconds if I try. The world record is less than 3 I believe!
I reckon if you had a 6 speed brommie vs what I assume your riding is a 3-speed A-line that 7% less efficient would drop to something more like 4%, the wider gear range would reduce you spinning out on the declines and improve hill climbing speed. They really are amazing bits of kit. I was going to pick up a new A-line but stumbled upon a unused but second hand M6L for the same price so snapped it up! Tbh i'm more about comfort than speed though, so I'll be looking to swap to the H type stem at some point for a nicer more upright riding position.
I continue to be amazed by my Brompton, I also ride MTB and the Brompton is much quicker than that style of bike. The only thing it's not so good at is the rougher terrain.
You can fit mid-rise bars without changing steam or cables.
Great video.
I think thats something I will do in the future Andrew. Thankyou
@@WiltshireMan
We have B75/A-Line Facebook group.
This is my video on handle bars.
ua-cam.com/video/Qy_myu8CCmU/v-deo.html
I once had a guy on a small wheeled recumbent bike kick my butt in a race ,and I was on a full size bike.
I put a b17 on my touring bike took a while to brake in but now its by far the best saddle i have used . Like a hammock for ya ass
I would also say 50t and 6 gears would be closer as would kojak or continental urban tyres. That is a good av speed. I tend to be about 11.5mph but it is pretty hilly in South Somerset. Not much difference in speed compared with my Thorn lw tourer either especially as I am not that used to the drops and larger wheels. Enjoying your adventures
Thanks Martin
I am hearing lots of good things about Thorn bicycles especially those fitted with Rohloff hubs. Expensive though
My thorn is 2001 vintage XTC 26 inch wheels, which was an insurance replacement for a thorn Audax. Bike is actually heavier than the Brompton at 13.2kg. But built to last really under used as Brompton took over
I thought that was pretty impressive Sandy, bearing in mind that the Brompton was never designed to be a 'speed' bike. If you had the six-speed rear mech plus the taller gearing the comparison would have been closer and I think the difference may have been minimal. Very interesting overall.
Noel
Hi Noel,
Yes I agree, with taller gearing things would have been a bit closer. I am pleasantly surprised to know that it's not too far behind a normal bike. I'd love a bike with a Rohloff hub. I'm doing my research:) Thorn as you mentioned do make some lovely bicycles
Hi Sandy.
Just thinking about your other full size bike problem. Couldn't you just fit new bearings and make sure the locking ring is tightened correctly, it would save you buying a complete new chain set.
Love your vids, keep them coming matey.😉
Just needs a new freewheel on the other bike,. they cost £19. I could buy new bearings, it would be cheaper but looks like there is some scoring in the bearing race. The chainset is for yet another bike, my MTB
@@WiltshireMan
Yes, best go with a new one then.👍
I’ve a 6 speed electric c line Brompton. The speed variable is not an important factor for me - I want to enjoy the ride and do a reasonable mileage on a ride that varies from shopping and chores to a short spin out ( 25 miles ) . The Brompton is a very harsh ride - especially at 100 psi - I run at 85 psi as speed isn’t my goal - in fact the slower you go the more comfortable the ride and the more enjoyable as you can sappreciate your surroundings more -however I cannot match comfort of my other bikes BUT it’s the convenience of being able to hop on a train and go to a city or town to explore -do some shopping and not worry about leaving the bike - hop in the car without messing around with racks.I got the electric because I live in a hilly area and you can adjust the support level on your phone to give you no support or three levels of support- so you get as much exercise as you want . I have just tried the Brooks cambium C17 and it’s bloody awful - I will persevere but I have switched out of the Brompton and was using a saddle I had in the shed from one of my Trek tourers and it really is good so if the brooks doesn’t ride in I’ll switch back to that -
Hi Rob,
Yes high tyre pressures do transmit more shock through to the rider. Interesting to hear your thoughts on the Cambium saddle. I think if I do buy another saddle it'll be a standard B17 made from leather
Ok I have given up on my brooks saddle and I’m using a Trek Bontrager Nebula Unisex Bicycle Fitness Hybrid Saddle and I’m not changing it !!! I LOVE MY BROMPTON
Interesting comparison. I was wondering if it would be possible to fit a double chain ring on the front to vary the gearing.
I have heard that someone has done that
good vid on channel thanks lee
Hi Sandy, just a quick question, We were in Arundel on Tuesday and spotted a sign in relation to a 625 mile walk called Monarchs Way, Is this a trail you have tackled ? It must be the longest I've seen.. Atb Tom..
I've heard of that route Tom but never walked it and didn't realise it was so long
Not to much difference surprized me, thought the brompton would be much slower.
your average is way up on my average.12mph.
well done good video.
Thanks Anthony
sandy wear was your hi viz
Can you mount your Paragliding motor to your back and go for a spin and compare? Hi Hi. Just a thought. 73!!
Sorry that you're having so many mechanical problems
And as a lifetime biker I highly suggest only putting 35 lb of pressure in your tires anything else is a very large compromise of exploding rims 40 is usually the maximum I would ever do but I even stay away from that as I said the most I do is 35
Very interesting comparison though
Recommended working pressures for Bromptons is 100psi but in my old MTB I run only 35psi
You should also take into account the filming during the ride with the Brompton..
I mentioned that in the video Marc
Horses for course I think. Which one gives you the most enjoyment though.
Thats a difficult question to answer Charles. Me and my old tourer go back 40 years and it does ride nice and is comfy with the Brooks saddle, The MTB has the ability to do some rough terrain and that for me means no cars, so I love that, and the Brompton actually is quite a pack horse with the ability to carry 10kg on the front and a rucksack on the back, I'd give them 33.3% love each I reckon:)
Like you I love off road and the country side, especially the no cars. While I enjoy my road bikes and MTB, the smile while out on my Recumbent Trike, surpasses the other two by miles. It’s great to have a choice though. My enjoyment is to get out cycling and hopefully find a good photo along the way. Have fun keep peddling 🚴♂️🚴♂️👍👍😀
@@charlespark7338 I've never tried a recumbant trike before Charles. You'll have to let me have a go on yours?:)
Its been a lot of years since i last used them but if i remember rightly, dont you have to backpedal to change gear with a Sturmy Archer?.
No, but it is advisable to stop peddling for a moment
Bromptons are built as urban commute bike that can be fold small to be kept at home or on public transport. It excel in what it is meant for. Many use it beyond the intended purpose. Now plenty of copycats.
Yes, maybe it is being used beyond it's intended purpose but that just goes to prove one thing, it is capable of achieving more than it's intended purpose. As for copycats there is a saying. "There is nothing new under the sun" It has all been done before!
Penny Farthing next time Sandy. Plus top hat and tails.
Haa well not sure that style would suit an old country boy like me:)
Surprise for me the negligible difference but which was easier on you ?
I would say I put around the same effort in but for me I feel the fullsized bike just rolls a bit better and is more comfortable but thats mostly down to the saddle. I have a Brooks on the fullsized bike. I'll buy one for the Brompton when I can afford too
Even tho the Brompton is not a fast bike it still a little Swiss Army knife of a bike. Your ride around Bath would not have been near as enjoyable to watch if you were going twice as fast.
Spot on Jim. That Bath ride was pure bliss
But the living rest in peace with the traffic redirected past their homes just saying
The bypass was built around 30 years ago. They had an option to take a southern route or a Northern route. The southern route would have ran parallel to a railway and had fewer obstructions and the terrain was flat. The northern route was more problematic with ancient archeology, a river and hills oh and also has a council estate on the northern outskirts.
The wealthy of the village live on the southern side.....The bypass route goes on the northern side
"I'll give you metric first" ... gives distance in miles 😅
Slip of the tongue, I said miles but the figure was Kms
@@WiltshireMan That's good to know. Love watching your videos over here in NZ, keep up the good work!
Sandy, this "mini bike" is not for those accomplishements. You're a real Kamikaze doing that. Go back to the eternal phisics. Larger wheels with the same sprocket, better displacement. Older is not always bad. New is... Hum, just new and cooler, isn't?
A Brompton is a horrible bike. I know as an owner of a much modified and now more than Superlight (8,75 kilo, with mudguards!). Its only good side is the amazing fold. The small wheels rolls a lot less effective than larger ones. You can do the same as on an ordinary bike but it takes more effort to do it! Finn. Denmark
It does have quick steering but you do get used to that, as for speed I did a test and it is slower than a conventional bike but not by very much at all
@@WiltshireMan I have seen Charts here giving the Rolling Resistance of bike wheels compared with their size! And no doubt that the size Matters! A Brompton feels light and easy, but you do feel the resistance during longer rides. I also owns a Hand Built, Superlight MTB with ordinary 700C wheels, as a Racing bike size, and of course the wider tire wheels also gives more resistance, but it is much less heavy to ride. Finn. Denmark
@@WiltshireMan I have a Titanium Crank with ceramic balls, as in my Head Set, to make it as light rolling as possible. I have thought about new ceramic balls in the wheels also, but that will need a major rebuilt. Finn
"Foldable"... Oh yeah! You can even put in your rucsac! Really? That is a bike for the new age shopping, not for travelling.
There are many folk who have documented long distance travel in comfort and convenience using these bikes so the fact that it has been done and done a lot is all the proof anyone should need. Check out Brompton traveller on UA-cam amongst many others he has toured the world on a Brompton