Why Black is Better! - Firearms finishes and refinishes (Ep. 2)
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- This Tech video is part of our Fusion Firearms library on choices to be made when doing the finishing or refinishing of a firearms. Overall the most popular color in finishes is black and which is the best finish to choose for you budget and use. We Hope that these instructional videos will help you with the decision making on firearms finishes. Feel free to comment or contact us at the factory if you need help.
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Excellent synopsis of finish choices that are reasonably available. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome video Bob! Great info on most all the finishes and how the stand up. Merry Christmas to you and the crew, Vern
Thank you Sir, Merry Christmas to you and your Family also!
Great info, I learn something today. I'll keep watching your videos to decide what gun I want for you guys
Thank you for joining in and your nice comments
I just bought one of your Bantam r guns because I am a big Dan Wesson fan and you were the CEO , I hope that it does not disappoint, and it is as good as my Dan Wesson pistols. You sound like you are a really hands on guy that knows your stuff keep up the goos work Bob!
Thank you for the super comments and purchase. The Fusion pistols are selling real well and we are still back-ordered into the start of summer 2022 already. Thank you all for your super support.
Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Great video Bob, very informative. I have a Dan Wesson Vigil with a ferretic nitro-carbonized finish, outstanding finish. Definitely my top choice, at least for the slide.
Excellent!! thank you for the nice comments!
Great video!
Thank you
Great video. Makes me feel justified buying one of your 1911s.
Right on, thank you for joining in and for the very nice comments!
Duracoat on top of parkerized steel creates one heck of a bond. That combination works extremely well, especially if you go gloss.
Good to know, thanks for commenting
@Scott you are absolutely correct, it really helps with durability.
Again, another outstanding video. You should have quoted The Man "Comes in any color you like, as long as it's Black.", he got away with that in the world market for 19 years.
Well said.... thank you for the nice comments.
Nothing beats a nice hot salt bluing over a polished metal. If Fusion Firearms did it would be one notch up on your fine pistols!
We do hot salts bath here at this time. the high polish we can do, it just adds a lot of labor and cost. But we do this on a custom basis. it is a beautiful finish when done this way.
This has literally been the best video explaining the different finishes I have yet to see online! Great job Bob!
In additions to the various colors I think it would be great to have a video explaining what actually works well for Aluminum frames as well.
Sounds good... We will do a video on Al Frames soon.
I just realized from this video why the Gen5 Glocks get so much wear on their barrels. The DLC coating on the slide scrapes the hell out of the nitride barrel. Really wish they would just nitride the slide instead.
I have 3 6” longslides. Then you had to come out with a 7”. Lol. I’m going to have to build one now.
Sweet!,... I really love the 7 inches, they are super stable to shoot.
"You can have any color car you want, as long as it's black" --Henry Ford 😆😂🤣
Yes, My favorite also...:)
Thank you for this video! What black finish, if any, would you recommend for a stainless S&W revolver?
I would go with nitro-carborizing.
Gorgeous! What triggers are those?
They are our fusion triggers that are on our website
Now you have me re-thinking the DLC - it may not be the best option. As Alexander Guzman commented, I'd like more info on finishes for alloy frame guns.
Good question... We will do a Video on this.
Thanks for commenting
Bob...I have a 1911 that is parkerized. What are my re-finishing options? Can you strip it and give it hot salt bluing or nitrocarburizing? Or I am stuck with it being parkerized? Thanks.
Hi Harry, You can strip it, that is no problem and either the salt black oxide or the black shield Nitro will both work, the nitro will last much longer.
Is the nitro carburizing the same as your Black Shield Melonite option?
Yes, Out Black shield Melonite process includes all the prep-work, De-horning, blasting ...etc.
Nighthawk offers DLC in black, gold, and rose gold. I have a gun with polished flats and DLC and it is spectacular, especially for the durability. It looks almost like a blued gun. I know this video is a year old and maybe they didn’t have the additional colors back then so more of a FYI.
Rick
Yes, those are very nice finishes, but quite expensive. Also, failure rate during manufacturing of the DLC finishes is quite high.
Had my new canik gun which will be my daily cc sandblasted and was gonna go with black digital but unsure if I want to do any camo or what color. Any tips for a cc that’s going to be cerakoted?
Yes, Go all black, and Black shield Nitro carbonate. it will hold up best to the holster wear...etc for carry.
So how much to strip the black off my rock island 1911 .45 give it a serious high mirror polish and salt bath blue, a real nice polished blue is my favorite
We will do a video on this coming up
Can you combine the black oxide with the nitro carburizing? As I understand stand the carburizing process, it hardens the steel itself and so it shouldn't have a problem accepting a black oxide layer, right?
Sir, their is no need to, the nitro gives a very rich and deep black finish. But, you could black oxide over the nitro carborizing if you wanted.
@@fusionfirearms Well it's nice to know that they would work together. I know that the nitro carburizing renders the black oxide redundant but I'm interested if the combination would result in a particular look for a black gun. I'm not aware of any samples showing both processes.
Hey fusion what is best way to remove parkerizing finish ?
I Generally use glass bead or Aluminum oxide media and blast it off, in a blast cabinet
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What finish would be best for a gun sights? I am looking for a finish for my sights that is effing BLACK and flat. What would you recommend?
I would just bead blast it and cold blue. Or just spray paint if they are off the gun. You can get fancy with cerakote, hot black oxide(Bluing) or many other finishes but many do not have the equipment.
What is the best black finish for stainless?
Our black shield Nitro carborizing
Black is the best gun color hands down
I agree..
Can you Nitrocarbarize aluminum alloys?
No, Only steel or stainless steel. We can ION Bond Aluminum.
Cool which treatment will prevent a non-stainless steel or non-aluminum (carbon steel I guess, I wish many make almost stainless steel guns- seem only S&W makes it- their Shield Plus ) rust even if you submerge it in wet mud or water for a 3 months? The diamond one?
Thank you. God bless.
Well, 3 months in mud... I guess I would go with Nitro-Carb(our Black shield) or Ion Bond. If you want a stainless look, than hard chrome. if I had to rate them I would go with 1) Nitro Carb, 2) HD Chrome , 3 Ion Bond. But these are all top shelf finishes.
@@fusionfirearms Thanks, which one treatment is the most silky smooth (like skating on ice, like Teflon but tough- more so with cool, yet organic oils like Ballistol or do you a better oil compared to Ballistol recommendation)?
By the way, if I may recommend expansing the horizon for the 21st century- consider treating cars also (there are ceramic clear coatings for cars but I think Nitro-Card, Ion Bond & hard chrome may be better), specifically the upcoming 9mm bullet-proof Cybertruck (I think it'll be bare 30x cold rolled stainless steel metal no lacquer clear coat), many will use that probably for their arsenal for the weekend, outdoors- it has a built-in air pressure for cleaning stuff.
Thanks have a great weekend.
What finish do you use for Fusion Reaction 1911?
All of the Freedom series is black oxide and we have other finishes to choose from on the website. Ion, Black-Shield...etc
What type of finishes do the Gen 5 Glocks like the new Glock 17, new Glock 19, new Glock 26, silver Glock 43x, black Glock 43x, silver Glock 48, and black Glock 48 use? I've heard that both of the black and silver Glocks' finish is called "nvd" finish, but I have no idea what "NVD" means.
And do these new Glock finishes hold up better then the Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock finishes?
Please pardon me if this is a dumb question. I don't want to make a dumb purchase if I decide to go with something like a Glock.
Not sure, We don't do much with Glock, just some sight mods and some customer send there parts in for black shield Nitro.
@@fusionfirearms thank you. I appreciate that you gave me a prompt response. I hope you have a good day.
Interesting
Can you nitro aluminum?
Sorry, no... You can use a paint product, Ion Bond or Anodizing
Can you put DLC, or some other PVD, on top of nitro?
You can, but, Why? Generally if you want DLC you should start with that. and you would still want to re-prep all parts for DLC.
@@fusionfirearms Well, you said PVD is like an eggshel. So to provide a harder base, I thought.
What about black-nickeling? It's something I have only read about, I've never seen a black nickel finish.
Black Nickel, is not a good choice, 1- it is inconsistent finish depth wise, 2- it does not hold up well. I do not recommend it.
is nitro-carbonized listed on your website under "black shield"?
Thanks
Yes, the Black-Shield is Nitro-carborizing
@@fusionfirearms Thanks. Current turnaround time?
What about armor lube
Never tried it. Don't know.
What are the options on stainless steel?
Nitro carborizing( Our Fusion Black Shield), Ion bond, Some PTFE(Teflon products) and Cerakote or spray on finishes
@@fusionfirearms thank you
Is Black Shield is Matte Black??
Please Answer...
Yes, it comes matte black only
Ill stick with BlackT
Yes, that is is good finish.
Would spray on tighten up a 1911 frame to slide?
Hi Tony, Yes, it will until it wears and then it is back to the Sloppy....
Great, except for the constant noise,music??? Almost had to turn it off but endured to the end. Thanks
Noted!
Well shit, I may have been talked out of DLC 😩
Where does Cerakote black fall in this category?
Under the spray on finishes
What Is In Your Opinion The Most Durable Finish ??😎
It really depends on the "look" you want, But from my 35 years of doing this, I woudl choose our Black Shield Nitro Melonite (Black nitriding), or HD Chrome for silver look. ION Bond DLC is very durable also, BUT,... no attention to detail, about 90% of items I send to Ion Bond I have to reject back for visually crappy finish. So I don't suggest Ion Bond for finishing.
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Black T not worth talking about?
Black T is good, just not used very much.
Black is cheap, either phosphate or blueing...
Ok, Lets go to school. Blueing is the street name for Black oxide. Black oxide is the true technical name. The original ‘Old-time” blueing used cyanide and is no longer used for obvious reasons. Phosphate, when most people phosphate the generally black oxide first and then use a secondary bath to Phosphate. Phosphate only give approximately 13% more protection from the elements from standard black oxide. This is why I generally suggest, instead of going through the extra expense of phosphating, your jump to nitro carb( our Fusion Black Shield), Cerakote or Ion Bond DLC treatment. You will get much more value for your $$.
Get rid of distracting background music please! It detracts from the content
Yes, we have changed this in all new videos
Biased much? Your description of DLC was piss-poor. Not an eggshell whatsoever.
Really, please then take the opportunity to explain yourself. The coating is less that .0002" in thickness and does nothing to harden the base material.
Lack of any focus --> Ritalin --> you need it
Seriously, write down your ramblings here on paper & try to get through a reading of it...
You need to go to another channel if you don't like our content. We do this for Free, with spare time we do not have, to try to help people with real information not just infomercial BullSh**
Great videos! What would be the most durable finish to have gloss black finish? Like darth vaders helmet glossy.
Pretty much there is none other than the paint products