So, if you'd like to read the rough draft of the script of this video, I'll provide it in the description. I do apologize for this video taking as long as it did. I just wanted to make sure that it was well scripted, thought out, and to my liking. I hope it's to your liking as well. Also, surgery update. The surgery went well. Now, I'm at home recovering. I'm just extremely sore and in a bit of pain, but hopefully that will go away within a few days.
I always liked the idea of a HBO Bioshock series. It would be a psychological crime thriller that follows a detective through the rise and fall of Rapture
Imagine being able to play as one of the splicers from the first game but as a normal civilian during the war and being able to explore all the levels via bathsphere no goals just survive the civil war as long as you can in addition to having the ability to pick the citizen you play as for example playing as rosebud or waders or even pigskin
If I were leading a development team that was creating a new Bioshock game, it’d take place during the Rapture Civil War. You’d play as either a regular citizen or a follower of Fontaine or Ryan. I would even make a DLC where you played as a prisoner of Fontain’s Department Store in the sea trench.
Dude the Rapture Civil war ended when Andrew Ryan introduced pheromones that made all splicers obey Ryan. Ryan bascially brainwashed Atlas entire army.
@@XesTubeHe definitely was. I even remember his last words. “I had you BUILT, I sent you topside! Showed you what you was, what you were capable of! All those memories you thought you had, I dreamed up! And had tattooed _inside ya head._ If you don’t call that family, I don’t know what is! And now-“ Then he became a pin cushion
Did you know Fontaine got the names Moira and Patrick from the play “Love beyond death?” The poster is located in Fort Frolic near the elevator that takes you up to Fitzpatrick. The details they put into this game are incredible. Still finding stuff after multiple playthroughs
Anyone else notice that, from the very beginning (and even more so by the end): Ryan was everything he preached against, leading one to see that he wasn't so much against everything you hear him say on the trip down, as much as upset that government did it and he couldn't franchise a version of it for himself. "You don't want your son to go to war," so come on down to Rapture where your daughter can become a cog in the war machine instead! "No government to censor you," unless Ryan doesn't like you calling him out and making him look like a fool, otherwise he'll be back with a sledgehammer after he slanders you into prison! "The sweat of your brow should be yours, and no government should take that from you," and if you thought the slums on _the surface_ were bad, wait until they always smell like fish guts and low tide! He didn't want to make something better, he wanted to pretend like he was to compile a bunch of suckers, while (whether purposefully or in ignorance) carving out his own slice of the exact same thing where the already established versions of it couldn't take it from him. He wanted to smooze with the elites of the world in their high-rise-undersea penthouse suites, while the working class kept everything in operation for him. His entire life, even before Rapture, was benefiting off the hard labor of others. He just didn't want to pay taxes!
The lore of this game is so good that you start to forget that this is supposed to be a game about killing mutants at the bottom of the sea. Andrew Ryan's philosophies are that interesting, they steal the show.
@@Islandswamp To be fair, I think it shows what all extremes lead to. Andrew Ryan and Sophia Lamb were opposite sides of the same coin; radical extremists who brought about societal downfall because extremism doesn't work.
What a masterpiece of a game! Still so many years later, people are still making content about it. I always get an overwhelming feeling that I want to know more about rapture. This game will never be forgotten.
To this day, the best series of games ever. The attention to detail, lore, story, and of course the characters are all flawless. Idk how another bioshock game could ever be made, but I really hope we get another one day
There's also the fact the whole city was built on aluminum, not steel, as aluminum being a lot weaker than steel when it comes to handling stress. Unless someone does a complete overhaul and transition to steel, which is impossible at the bottom of the ocean, the whole damn city will sink and collapse on itself. The scary part is not knowing when that will happen.
All construction problems aside imagine the depression. No real sunlight just oppressive green light , lack of vitamin D , no outside air or sense of freedom. Cabin fever must have set in heavy , claustrophobia as well. Plus you know you’re under water No thank you sir
Eventho they are barely brought up. Warframe has some pretty interesting lore, similar to rapture's origins and by similar I'm mean the fall of an empire.
This reminds me of a novelization I read years ago called Bioshock: Rapture. Normally I don't read novelizations of things but when I looked up the author I notice he had written a Star Trek DS9 episode. (Also reading a Bioshock book is kinda like un-reading a Ayn Rand book, so there is that.) This makes the 3rd piece of DS9-DNA I have encountered in Bioshock. Andrew Ryan being voiced by Armin Shimmerman (Quark) and the doctor splicer being voiced by J.G. Hertzler (General Martok). Both klillin' it with the performances as always. So I thought it worth the read since I know those flavors go together. It was not bad, not sure if it is cannon. I don't remember much of the details but it was Bill McDonagh who was the "protagonist" for the most part and it gives a good enough appreciation of that character where I feel a bit bad when I find his body in game. All because he fixes some rich asshole's toilet, poor guy. You also find out Fontaine is even more supremely full of shit than in the games. Fontaine isn't even close to his original name and I am not sure he even remembered his real name in the book. He was like some sorta art-deco-era Captian Ginyu, changing identities with everyone he meets until his eventual demise as a come-to-life Atlas Shrugged paperback cover art. I feel like I am mixing too many nerd references. Paperback key-art, DBZ and DS9? Too much. Still it is appropriate that the one DS9 episode the author wrote was an "O'brien Must Suffer" ep. After all, Bill McDonagh is just another well meaning engineer with a thick UK accent who gets caught up in a bad situation.
Polybius I played the games before reading the book, and it was an absolute treat, since I thought I had played, read, and learned everything about Bioshock. Having just a little taste of what happened before everything went to udder shit in rapture, was amazing. I went back and played Bioshock one after reading, and finding little things in the game that were embellished more upon in the book, felt like I found a secret treasure and only I knew about it.
Good video. But If you’re still confused about the “genotypes and nucleotides sequences” It basically just means Fontaine purchased all the rights to research concerning genetic modification, DNA, and the human genome. (ADAM rewrites human DNA to give you powers, so Fontaine owning all this research means he can make better Plasmids and sell them for profit.) This is the market Ryan missed out on.
It always mystified me as to how there were so many people in Rapture considering it was under the sea and no one outside the people who were invited there knew about it, so there had to be a limited number of people. With as much death and destruction that must have happened during the civil war and then how much chaos that ensued afterward between everyone killing each for ADAM and then being killed by Ryan or killed by Fontaine/Atlas there shouldn't have been as many people left there to fight as the game seemed to portray. It seemed like at times the number of splicers in the game was limitless. Were people being kidnapped from the surface like they were doing with little sisters in Bioshock 2? Something I forgot to add was how many people had to have drowned from bombings of other places or just accidental destruction of certain sections of the city itself from the chaos inside.
Thats a funny thought. In bioshock 2 in dionysis park stanly pool drounds eveyone on that level but you dont see any bodies only wet floors. But right before father whales there is a locked room filled with water and a corpse floating in there. There are a few times you see water damage. Im surprised there wasnt more places that were inacessible due to flooding.
Two very good questions. For the first, I believe that during the downfall of Rapture, Ryan lost grip of his morals, values and visions of what he wanted Rapture to be. So, I would personally say that yes, he understood what happened. For the second, absolutely. Whether it would've been a civil war, a clash of classes, a revolution, etc, I believe that Rapture was almost set up to fail no matter what. Again, great questions Garrison.
I dont think Ryan was a hypocrite, he was trying to maintain order without turning his back on his own morals, he realized the flaws in his ideas, he had to learn the hard way. Rapture was just doomed because of Ryan's stubborness and failure to admit that maybe some regulations aren't necessarily wrong, by the time he figured it out it was too late. His flaws lie in the realm of arrogance rather then hypocrisy. To answer both questions, it was because of Ryan's own ignorance and pride and lack of understanding basic human nature lead to his downfall. I have to applaud the writers of bioshock they made a game that on paper is just a shooter but like metroid or elder scrolls the story is hiding in plain sight.
@@smocloud Well Ryan has an ego almost as grand and large as his vision and ideals which were the foundation of Rapture. It was always someone else's fault. The Civil War was essentially a battle of two egos, an unstoppable force against an immovable object. To invite doubt would be to upend everything he had built and would chip away at the myth and hero status Ryan had fashioned for himself.
Just got into rapture (ps+ free game of February) and I honestly could tell you put a lot of effort into this video!! This is probably a bit old, but keep up the good work
Wow, your great information about Bioshock history before Rapture's Civil War. Subject Delta was hypnotize and kill himself by Lamb in 1958. Elizabeth and detective Booker find search to find Sally this place in 1959. There was multiplayer in apartment for start to win before Jack arrive begin in 1959. My word to you. This is just the beginning.
I have a question, if Subject Delta was the first successfully pair bonded big daddy, then why did a pair bonded big daddy kill Dr. suchong while he was still figuring out how to bond big daddys to little sisters?
I'd say because the time lines are all screwed up due to Infinite. Yes, In Bioshock 1, Suchong was killed by a Big Daddy, due to him hitting a little sister, causing a pair bond. Yet, in Burial at Sea Ep. 2, the same Big Daddy that Elizabeth helped was the same one that killed Suchong. At the same time in Bioshock 2, Gil Alexander was able to figure out how to pair and he found the pheromone to do so. So there's a lot going on with it. It's a mind- f*ck.
So I Just made a theory about what happened, hear me out on this! I know my theory isn't the cause, I just like it to make fan theories, anyway my fan theory follows Rapture, a city underwater, I mean.... How flippin' dope is that? Wouldn't you like t to live there? Only, there are things people might haven't thought about, Rapture looks nice and comfy yes but have you ever thought about the following things? Never see daylight, never feel a raindrop, never feel the warmth of the sun and never feel a single breeze, never be able to watch the stars at night That is kinda depressing you know? Since I thought about that, I wouldn't like it at all to live in Rapture, I prefer living in Columbia then, I mean, yes you can fall off to your death, but at least you feel the warmth of the sun and feel the breeze of the wind. But anyway, The citizens of Rapture could not feel the warmth of the sun, or the breeze of the wind, or rain, and didn't see daylight, and it could be possible that that was he thing that drove them all mad, they lost themselves because of lack of daylight and the sun. It's a miracle they still alive actually😅
I agree with you on Frank and Andrew Ryan are the two that caused Rapture to fall. ADAM was the third part that caused Rapture to fall as well. Frank used ADAM for power. Ryan didn't stop the ADAM when people were getting addict and causing their bodies to be deformed and growing insane. When you said Ryan assume the people will think for themselves and let go of the ADAM; however, the ADAM took over the minds and erased their freewill. Ryan was replaced by ADAM. Ryan failed to protect the people of Rapture because of his flaw ideas. ADAM was too dangerous and both Ryan and Frank refuse to let it go and they continue their civil war
Great video well done :) does anyone wonder how common law is reflected in rapture post civil war? We see that the law is often hyper individualized. Would love to see a court of rapture and an obscure objectivist legal system
One thing I would have imagine Adam Ryan could have possibly done to prevent the Rapture Civil War would have been to start making trade deals with other capitalist countries. It’s not fool-proof by any means but it could have been used in a way as a deterrent against smuggling (Which Frank Fontaine did quite a lot of by the way). Plus you have to remember, a majority of those little sisters were girls that were kidnapped and abducted from the surface world. Although one flaw I do see being a possibility is that the Soviet Union might be compelled to go to war with Rapture especially when you see all the technological advances that are made down there. But a civil war might be less lightly in some capacity because then Frank Fontaine couldn’t have a monopoly on rallying the disenfranchised of the city. Because then everyone has more options as a result
Also Diane McClintock was mad about Andrew Ryan's treatment of her but she was also appalled at his treatment of raptures citizens and his true colors that came out in apollo square
9:44 "He missed out on the atom marked and laminated....." *Market *Lamented Cohen was the one who laminated it...... Regarldess, to shore up confusion, he was sad that he missed out on getting into the Plasmid game, and let Fontaine effectively monopolize the ability to resequence genetic codes. By the time Ryan, or anyone, wanted to compete with Fontaine (Regrow hair and teeth, mend bones) they had to do so with the "Great Value" off brand to try and compete, or offer substandard plasmids (Make your hair and teeth stronger, grow a back-up pinky just in case!)
@@TheBioshockHub there great I never understood how there can be soo much story round a protagonist who says 1 sentences. I going to go to my friends today and play them
Listening to this as opposed to music as I work haha I really do hope they make a Rapture Civil War game, playing a civilian trying to get his wife and daughter out and dealing with Fontaine turning his daughter to a lil sister. They could even let us play as some surface guy looking for his kid down there
if you play bioshock 2 multiplayer we can see that the exploation was made in the kitchen aswell if kashmir restaurant if im clear and if the restaurant isnt bigger
TheBioshockHub indeed it is. it’s just that no one ever did a video on it and I’m just a little curious if we can find some evidence of their existence in bioshock 1
@@eman_playz2229 there is not bioshock infinate was forced into the story because in bio 1and2 there is no evidence but in the remaster there is even though it was forced and infinate ruined the seris
Wait so does that mean that bio shock infinite happened before the 1st bio shock? With Elizabeth knowing she would have to sacrifice herself for Jack later on to kill atlas/frank So if I’m not wrong the timeline of the bio shock games would be. 1. Infinite 2. Bio shock 3 Bio shock 2 Hopefully in the 4th bio shock game coming soon they talk more about Jack because I feel like we don’t know him as well. Just that Ryan was his farther and was the ruler of rapture. But yeah let me know if I missed anything did hard bio shock fans.
Bioshockhub, do you have the remastered version of Bioshock for Xbox and PlayStation? Or do you only just have it for PlayStation? Because I want to know how you delete saves off of Bioshock 1
Just curious who did actually survive rapture? Who actually lived to keep the secret of the underwater city? I know Jack, Tenenbuarm, Eleanor, Sofia (depending on who you ask), the little sisters both generations I don’t know if it’s been said in any other videos!
Genotypes are the genetic level of triats. Phenotypes are the corresponding physical traits they result in. Nucleotide sequences are the patterns found within DNA. Basically what this is saying between both is that Fontain was litterally tradmarking specific genetic codes that resulted from plasmid mutations. If anyone produced a product that resulted in someone having these genetic codes within them that wasn't Fontain, they would be infringing on his copyright. It's insane to think about. A lab somehow creates a genetic recoding that allows a person to have a particular shade of orange eyes. Instead of patenting the procedure or products used, they litterally copywrite the resulting code so no one unauthorized can have those genetics in them. That way no one can create an alternate procedure or product to get the same results. This kind of harks on old video game hardware lawsuits where chips were reverse engineered by other companies but allowed as they were components of a device that the other company legally bought possession of and the overall system was what was copywrit. Fontain was a scummy ass gifted but not clueless when it came to business savy or how to properly address it when it came to science. I can't imagine comeone comming up with copywrtiting genetic sequencing. It would have saved Ingen a lot of headache in Jurrasic Park but variants coudm still be easily created and I doubt it would fly as a practical act with real world government. The fact it was just allowed like that was very much a result of rapture full free market philosophy being taken full advantage of by fontian. It makes you question..if he could do this for parts of genetic code on artificial sequences, could he have registered naturally occuring traits like blue eyes or brown hair? They were creating plasmids that altered those for esthetic/cosmetic reasons. It would be like putting a copywrite on the word "the" and expecting a royalty whenever someone used it.
I remember crying by the end of the game when I finally got to kill Frank Fontaine after rescuing all the little sisters. All of those poor little girls were tools of these sick people's games for scientific experimentation and human power: all for the production of a gene-altering product that in turn made people go insane and play into the destruction of their rationality. It makes me wonder what if these slugs were never discovered? Would have Rapture gone from Utopia to Dystopia if Adam were never discovered? Sure, being isolated at the bottom of the sea, void of any sunlight, was surely going to fuck up the citizens' circadian rhythms. However, it makes me wonder if these people would have acknowledged living at the bottom of the ocean was good for themselves in the long-run to produce a different result of Rapture's safekeeping. I think the power of Adam exploits Andrew Ryan's ultimate flaw in avoiding the human parasites and their success of an insatiable desire for power. I think Rapture was never truly meant to see ceaseless success in the first place given all of the environmental issues that it can cause on anyone's psychosomatic, and physical, state.
In the lore did any major world powers actually find rapture? Its hinted towards in the first game by ryan that thr ussr and usa shadowed him. Just curious if either of them found the ruins during the cold war.
It's funny that Ryan created a lawless haven, practically in the same bitter hope of old gentlemen (mindsets like doctors, up until the late 1800's, thinking they didn't need to wash their hands, because somehow a part of being a gentleman meant you should never have to wash your hands), thinking that the "great chain of economy" would take care of everyone, and keep the balance. There wouldn't need to be crime, as everyone should be happy. That, to his workers, the sweat of their brow would be enough, while Ryan acts like the great parasite he preaches against, taking/eating everything from on high while looking the other way (when not actively encouraging) everything he built Rapture to escape: • "Don't go to the surface, where they'll take your son and throw him into war," stay down here and let Rapture take your daughter, so that she can be a part of the war machine! • "You toil just for someone else to claim your hard work," so escape to Rapture, where *THERE IS NO ESCAPE!* • "The artist won't be censored," unless their freedom of expression is calling out the hypocrisies of the affluent in this underwater incarceration. In every way Ryan wanted to escape society, hating parts of it and thinking he knew better, he became the exact same monster and worse (you can hide from a government, escape a nation, but Ryan has _everyone_ under glass and at his mercy)
Interesting thing is that, Plasmids or not, the civil war was going to happen, regardless. ADAM only acted like gasoline to the friction between the classes, igniting the powder keg of Rapture that much sooner
I bet thay could make a game call BioShock civil war put you in the shoes of a splicer witch you should be able to pick if you want to work for Andrew or work for atlus if any body thinks that would be a good game give a like
So, if you'd like to read the rough draft of the script of this video, I'll provide it in the description. I do apologize for this video taking as long as it did. I just wanted to make sure that it was well scripted, thought out, and to my liking. I hope it's to your liking as well. Also, surgery update. The surgery went well. Now, I'm at home recovering. I'm just extremely sore and in a bit of pain, but hopefully that will go away within a few days.
Hope you get better dude. Lots of love to u
@@Elecctromechanika Thank you
I'm glad you made it ok, get better soon
TheBioshockHub Hope you recover soon man
@@sora034 Thank you, I appreciate that.
I always liked the idea of a HBO Bioshock series. It would be a psychological crime thriller that follows a detective through the rise and fall of Rapture
That sounds doable
Ah man now I’m mad I’m paying $8 a month for HBO MAX & they don’t have this… 😂
It would be nice if we get a Bioshock that takes place during the Rapture Civil War. That's the only way that I can see them returning to Rapture.
Imagine being able to play as one of the splicers from the first game but as a normal civilian during the war and being able to explore all the levels via bathsphere no goals just survive the civil war as long as you can in addition to having the ability to pick the citizen you play as for example playing as rosebud or waders or even pigskin
I always thought it would be cool if a Navy SEAL Team found Rapture in modern day
We already do. Bioshock 2 multiplayer.
Idk if anyone’s read the bio shock book, great read, but I’d love to play as Bill Throughout the civil war and try to get his family out safely.
Ian Sells rapture sunk to into the trench at the end of bioshock 2
I'm glad people are still making content about Bioshock.
I'm glad I have people like you who enjoy the videos! Thank you.
@@TheBioshockHub
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@@TheBioshockHub I think that you should do a discussion about Bioshock’s universe
I really want a Bioshock game that starts before the Civil War and the end of the game being the end of the Civil War
I agree
Me too I’ve had dreams about that
If I were leading a development team that was creating a new Bioshock game, it’d take place during the Rapture Civil War. You’d play as either a regular citizen or a follower of Fontaine or Ryan. I would even make a DLC where you played as a prisoner of Fontain’s Department Store in the sea trench.
Dude the Rapture Civil war ended when Andrew Ryan introduced pheromones that made all splicers obey Ryan. Ryan bascially brainwashed Atlas entire army.
Bioshock 2 multiplayer takes place during the rapture civil war
Isn't it ironic?
Fontaine was killed by the very things he founded with his money
@@XesTube yeah he was or else he'd be still in control of Rapture in Bioshock 2
@@XesTubeHe definitely was. I even remember his last words.
“I had you BUILT, I sent you topside! Showed you what you was, what you were capable of! All those memories you thought you had, I dreamed up! And had tattooed _inside ya head._ If you don’t call that family, I don’t know what is! And now-“
Then he became a pin cushion
@@TheCorrodedMan My words were the ones of a child
Did you know Fontaine got the names Moira and Patrick from the play “Love beyond death?” The poster is located in Fort Frolic near the elevator that takes you up to Fitzpatrick. The details they put into this game are incredible. Still finding stuff after multiple playthroughs
Indeed. You can find out when you enter Fort Frolic if you pay close enough attention to it. Like you said, the attention to detail is incredible.
Anyone else notice that, from the very beginning (and even more so by the end):
Ryan was everything he preached against, leading one to see that he wasn't so much against everything you hear him say on the trip down, as much as upset that government did it and he couldn't franchise a version of it for himself.
"You don't want your son to go to war," so come on down to Rapture where your daughter can become a cog in the war machine instead!
"No government to censor you," unless Ryan doesn't like you calling him out and making him look like a fool, otherwise he'll be back with a sledgehammer after he slanders you into prison!
"The sweat of your brow should be yours, and no government should take that from you," and if you thought the slums on _the surface_ were bad, wait until they always smell like fish guts and low tide!
He didn't want to make something better, he wanted to pretend like he was to compile a bunch of suckers, while (whether purposefully or in ignorance) carving out his own slice of the exact same thing where the already established versions of it couldn't take it from him.
He wanted to smooze with the elites of the world in their high-rise-undersea penthouse suites, while the working class kept everything in operation for him. His entire life, even before Rapture, was benefiting off the hard labor of others. He just didn't want to pay taxes!
The moral of Rapture's fall is basically, "don't do drugs, kids."
Yeah, pretty much lol.
Also screw Ayn Rand
The moral of Rapture is that libertarianism ends in chaos and collapse. The drugs were just an accelerant.
So what I just said
@@ericspencer8093 wrong
The lore of this game is so good that you start to forget that this is supposed to be a game about killing mutants at the bottom of the sea. Andrew Ryan's philosophies are that interesting, they steal the show.
I like the game because it shows what objectivist principles always lead to.
@@Islandswamp To be fair, I think it shows what all extremes lead to. Andrew Ryan and Sophia Lamb were opposite sides of the same coin; radical extremists who brought about societal downfall because extremism doesn't work.
@@PhazonInfuserThis is the more accurate take, I think
What a masterpiece of a game! Still so many years later, people are still making content about it. I always get an overwhelming feeling that I want to know more about rapture. This game will never be forgotten.
Bioshock out here teaching us how to be dads in a world with a lot of missing dads.
To this day, the best series of games ever. The attention to detail, lore, story, and of course the characters are all flawless. Idk how another bioshock game could ever be made, but I really hope we get another one day
Rapture was doomed from the start, I mean a goddamn underwater city? It could break any second by a random whale or a pissed off shark
the windows are actually a different material, i believe being comparable to the metal that surrounds it, which is why it can sustain bullets in game
There's also the fact the whole city was built on aluminum, not steel, as aluminum being a lot weaker than steel when it comes to handling stress. Unless someone does a complete overhaul and transition to steel, which is impossible at the bottom of the ocean, the whole damn city will sink and collapse on itself. The scary part is not knowing when that will happen.
All construction problems aside imagine the depression. No real sunlight just oppressive green light , lack of vitamin D , no outside air or sense of freedom. Cabin fever must have set in heavy , claustrophobia as well. Plus you know you’re under water
No thank you sir
@@alexholloway9847 That used to be Lamb's whole point
I like games that have rich lore to explore. I like Halo, Warcraft, Starcraft, Warhammer and of course Bioshock.
Thanks for this great video.
LocalHeretic 1127 look into bloodborne lore. It’s amazing
The elder scrolls and fallout are great too.
Eventho they are barely brought up. Warframe has some pretty interesting lore, similar to rapture's origins and by similar I'm mean the fall of an empire.
Fallout: Yeah, yeah. That's right, f%ck me )
This reminds me of a novelization I read years ago called Bioshock: Rapture. Normally I don't read novelizations of things but when I looked up the author I notice he had written a Star Trek DS9 episode. (Also reading a Bioshock book is kinda like un-reading a Ayn Rand book, so there is that.) This makes the 3rd piece of DS9-DNA I have encountered in Bioshock. Andrew Ryan being voiced by Armin Shimmerman (Quark) and the doctor splicer being voiced by J.G. Hertzler (General Martok). Both klillin' it with the performances as always. So I thought it worth the read since I know those flavors go together. It was not bad, not sure if it is cannon. I don't remember much of the details but it was Bill McDonagh who was the "protagonist" for the most part and it gives a good enough appreciation of that character where I feel a bit bad when I find his body in game. All because he fixes some rich asshole's toilet, poor guy. You also find out Fontaine is even more supremely full of shit than in the games. Fontaine isn't even close to his original name and I am not sure he even remembered his real name in the book. He was like some sorta art-deco-era Captian Ginyu, changing identities with everyone he meets until his eventual demise as a come-to-life Atlas Shrugged paperback cover art. I feel like I am mixing too many nerd references. Paperback key-art, DBZ and DS9? Too much. Still it is appropriate that the one DS9 episode the author wrote was an "O'brien Must Suffer" ep. After all, Bill McDonagh is just another well meaning engineer with a thick UK accent who gets caught up in a bad situation.
Polybius I played the games before reading the book, and it was an absolute treat, since I thought I had played, read, and learned everything about Bioshock. Having just a little taste of what happened before everything went to udder shit in rapture, was amazing. I went back and played Bioshock one after reading, and finding little things in the game that were embellished more upon in the book, felt like I found a secret treasure and only I knew about it.
They need to make a bioshock game that starts in 1946, and ends in 1968.
Good video. But If you’re still confused about the “genotypes and nucleotides sequences”
It basically just means Fontaine purchased all the rights to research concerning genetic modification, DNA, and the human genome.
(ADAM rewrites human DNA to give you powers, so Fontaine owning all this research means he can make better Plasmids and sell them for profit.)
This is the market Ryan missed out on.
It always mystified me as to how there were so many people in Rapture considering it was under the sea and no one outside the people who were invited there knew about it, so there had to be a limited number of people. With as much death and destruction that must have happened during the civil war and then how much chaos that ensued afterward between everyone killing each for ADAM and then being killed by Ryan or killed by Fontaine/Atlas there shouldn't have been as many people left there to fight as the game seemed to portray. It seemed like at times the number of splicers in the game was limitless. Were people being kidnapped from the surface like they were doing with little sisters in Bioshock 2?
Something I forgot to add was how many people had to have drowned from bombings of other places or just accidental destruction of certain sections of the city itself from the chaos inside.
Thats a funny thought. In bioshock 2 in dionysis park stanly pool drounds eveyone on that level but you dont see any bodies only wet floors. But right before father whales there is a locked room filled with water and a corpse floating in there. There are a few times you see water damage. Im surprised there wasnt more places that were inacessible due to flooding.
1) Do you think before his death Andrew Ryan realize his own hypocrisy?
2) Do you think rapture was doomed Due to humanities flaw nature?
Two very good questions. For the first, I believe that during the downfall of Rapture, Ryan lost grip of his morals, values and visions of what he wanted Rapture to be. So, I would personally say that yes, he understood what happened.
For the second, absolutely. Whether it would've been a civil war, a clash of classes, a revolution, etc, I believe that Rapture was almost set up to fail no matter what. Again, great questions Garrison.
TheBioshockHub he always seems aware, but in the first game’s audio logs, he always shuffles the blame on to tenembaum or Cohen or Fontaine or Atlas.
I dont think Ryan was a hypocrite, he was trying to maintain order without turning his back on his own morals, he realized the flaws in his ideas, he had to learn the hard way. Rapture was just doomed because of Ryan's stubborness and failure to admit that maybe some regulations aren't necessarily wrong, by the time he figured it out it was too late. His flaws lie in the realm of arrogance rather then hypocrisy. To answer both questions, it was because of Ryan's own ignorance and pride and lack of understanding basic human nature lead to his downfall. I have to applaud the writers of bioshock they made a game that on paper is just a shooter but like metroid or elder scrolls the story is hiding in plain sight.
@@smocloud Well Ryan has an ego almost as grand and large as his vision and ideals which were the foundation of Rapture. It was always someone else's fault. The Civil War was essentially a battle of two egos, an unstoppable force against an immovable object. To invite doubt would be to upend everything he had built and would chip away at the myth and hero status Ryan had fashioned for himself.
Just got into rapture (ps+ free game of February) and I honestly could tell you put a lot of effort into this video!! This is probably a bit old, but keep up the good work
Thank you very much Judah and I hope you enjoy the games btw, they're all incredible.
I really think Bioshock games have one of the best stories in the history of video games. So many stuff going on with so many interesting characters.
NemoShock
Wow, your great information about Bioshock history before Rapture's Civil War. Subject Delta was hypnotize and kill himself by Lamb in 1958. Elizabeth and detective Booker find search to find Sally this place in 1959. There was multiplayer in apartment for start to win before Jack arrive begin in 1959.
My word to you. This is just the beginning.
Phantom Eye You are speaking the language of the gods
Prophecy was told. Elizabeth seen everything to the future. She leaves Jack's hands to take care of them.
Keep these video up! Whenever a new bioshock game is announced and released it will bring a lot of attention to your channel and you will grow a lot!
I really hope so my friend. Thanks for taking the time to check out the video, I hope you enjoyed it.
Erick great video and I hope your surgery worked
I hope so too!
Yayyyy it’s good to hear you feeling ok I’m glad you are doing better your my favorite UA-camr I look forward to your videos
Still not 100% yet, but hanging in there.
Damien is Good Man
TheBioshockHub good man you got this you got all my support
2020 and I'm still not over this game
I never will be. Best series in existence…
Nice video Erik keep up the good work
Thanks, hope you enjoy it
Oh I do
I remember the first time going through rapture in burial at sea ep 1 and seeing rapture pre civil war was so amazing
Agreed, I wish we got more of it.
i’m so hyperfixated on bioshock right now that i’m watching videos that tell me about the lore i already know
Did you just get into the series?
@@TheBioshockHub i played the first game in 2021 and then played all three from last december-january and i’ve been really into it since then
What a video 😍
Excellent job! History of Rapture is the best 💜
Hope you enjoyed!
Nice video Erik hope the surgery worked and have a great rest of your day or night
I hope so too.
So deserve so many more subs! Best bioshock channel!
Thank you, I really appreciate that.
I guess "exotic dancer" is one way to put it.
Similar to Ricardo Milos
Glad to see more Bioshock content. Subscribed for the quality of lore. Excited to hear news from 2K about the new Bioshock this summer.
I have a question, if Subject Delta was the first successfully pair bonded big daddy, then why did a pair bonded big daddy kill Dr. suchong while he was still figuring out how to bond big daddys to little sisters?
I'd say because the time lines are all screwed up due to Infinite. Yes, In Bioshock 1, Suchong was killed by a Big Daddy, due to him hitting a little sister, causing a pair bond. Yet, in Burial at Sea Ep. 2, the same Big Daddy that Elizabeth helped was the same one that killed Suchong.
At the same time in Bioshock 2, Gil Alexander was able to figure out how to pair and he found the pheromone to do so.
So there's a lot going on with it. It's a mind- f*ck.
So I Just made a theory about what happened, hear me out on this! I know my theory isn't the cause, I just like it to make fan theories, anyway my fan theory follows
Rapture, a city underwater, I mean.... How flippin' dope is that? Wouldn't you like t to live there? Only, there are things people might haven't thought about, Rapture looks nice and comfy yes but have you ever thought about the following things?
Never see daylight, never feel a raindrop, never feel the warmth of the sun and never feel a single breeze, never be able to watch the stars at night
That is kinda depressing you know? Since I thought about that, I wouldn't like it at all to live in Rapture, I prefer living in Columbia then, I mean, yes you can fall off to your death, but at least you feel the warmth of the sun and feel the breeze of the wind.
But anyway, The citizens of Rapture could not feel the warmth of the sun, or the breeze of the wind, or rain, and didn't see daylight, and it could be possible that that was he thing that drove them all mad, they lost themselves because of lack of daylight and the sun.
It's a miracle they still alive actually😅
I agree with you on Frank and Andrew Ryan are the two that caused Rapture to fall. ADAM was the third part that caused Rapture to fall as well. Frank used ADAM for power. Ryan didn't stop the ADAM when people were getting addict and causing their bodies to be deformed and growing insane. When you said Ryan assume the people will think for themselves and let go of the ADAM; however, the ADAM took over the minds and erased their freewill. Ryan was replaced by ADAM. Ryan failed to protect the people of Rapture because of his flaw ideas. ADAM was too dangerous and both Ryan and Frank refuse to let it go and they continue their civil war
The ad that ran during your vid was for "the end is near!!" B.s.. Which I thought was hilarious with the topic of the video.
Oh damn-- this is DOPE!!! Hope your recovery goes well!
Great video, mate!
23:42 "During the war- oh hey my chime card came!" 😂 I swear that ad placement was perfect.
I hope you get better soon the BioShock Hub. 😇
A Pleasure Seeing You Content Grow Better and Better
i mourn the days before #TheBioshockHub
Don't We All !
Thank you for putting so much time and thought into these videos. I’ve been enjoying them a lot
New bioshock could be an island that is shielded by a vortex or field. The island is mountainous and junglesque
Outstanding job. Thank you for the observations and the connections from this great work to some of history's (and today's) greatest dangers
Amazing video my friend very detail in the events unfolding keep up the great work.
wow. sick work mate!
Great video well done :) does anyone wonder how common law is reflected in rapture post civil war? We see that the law is often hyper individualized. Would love to see a court of rapture and an obscure objectivist legal system
When I first played this game it made me really curious about the history of rapture
There's so much backstory that it's actually insane.
Its an amazing place rapture i used to live there in my first life its still down there its just been covered up by the powers that be 😌👍
I still dream of the Bioshock that will portray Rapture's Civil War as its core plot
This would be absolutely perfect. A current gen ACTUAL BioShock game (looking at you infinite)
That pretty much sums it up.
This is a nice listen when I was at work
Great video man also i laughed so hard when you killed a splicer with his hat
Great video my friend very detailed and justifies the great backstory Bioshock has keep it up my friend. :)
Rise, Rapture Riiiise
We turn our hopes up to the skiiiies
Riiiiise, Rapture Rise…
_We’ll go down with our sinking paradiiiise…_
okay but what would you do if you just woke up in an apartment in rapture one day
Great video and I understand more now
Can’t wait for you to get to 10k subs
Thank you! That's the goal.
I did know most of the stuff but I learned a little bit more
Hope your back is ok
It kind of it. Just really sore and in a bit of pain.
Wow. These videos are awesome. Yes, yes....I kindly subscribed too :D
I like how you asked would we kindly in the beginning lmao
One thing I would have imagine Adam Ryan could have possibly done to prevent the Rapture Civil War would have been to start making trade deals with other capitalist countries. It’s not fool-proof by any means but it could have been used in a way as a deterrent against smuggling (Which Frank Fontaine did quite a lot of by the way). Plus you have to remember, a majority of those little sisters were girls that were kidnapped and abducted from the surface world. Although one flaw I do see being a possibility is that the Soviet Union might be compelled to go to war with Rapture especially when you see all the technological advances that are made down there. But a civil war might be less lightly in some capacity because then Frank Fontaine couldn’t have a monopoly on rallying the disenfranchised of the city. Because then everyone has more options as a result
I’ve never been so early to a video!
Welcome!
I really enjoyed this video
I've always loved the games and this was awesome to watch
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!
Andrew Ryan would’ve been a great leader if he wasn’t pushed by Fontaine.
I'm More interested in the storyline overall than the actual game...💯
A 36 Minute Video? Ahh shit. Ima go get a snacc for this.
Lol, enjoy it!
Ayyye welcome back, sorry for late reply!
Also Diane McClintock was mad about Andrew Ryan's treatment of her but she was also appalled at his treatment of raptures citizens and his true colors that came out in apollo square
9:44
"He missed out on the atom marked and laminated....."
*Market
*Lamented
Cohen was the one who laminated it......
Regarldess, to shore up confusion, he was sad that he missed out on getting into the Plasmid game, and let Fontaine effectively monopolize the ability to resequence genetic codes.
By the time Ryan, or anyone, wanted to compete with Fontaine (Regrow hair and teeth, mend bones) they had to do so with the "Great Value" off brand to try and compete, or offer substandard plasmids (Make your hair and teeth stronger, grow a back-up pinky just in case!)
War always in two thing... Death or victory and this war end in death
In ended with a lot of death.
Hi I was recommended to your channel by a friend and I've got to say this channel is great loving the thought that's put into them
Thank you for giving the channel a chance. I'm glad you enjoy it :)
@@TheBioshockHub I know understand why my friend loves this game
@@rubyashurst7201 How are you liking them?
@@TheBioshockHub there great I never understood how there can be soo much story round a protagonist who says 1 sentences. I going to go to my friends today and play them
Listening to this as opposed to music as I work haha I really do hope they make a Rapture Civil War game, playing a civilian trying to get his wife and daughter out and dealing with Fontaine turning his daughter to a lil sister. They could even let us play as some surface guy looking for his kid down there
Did you do a video on the Whales brothers? Just asking.
Duddde this is awesome what a great video
Glad you enjoyed.
"how one mans power for hunger" 36:15 but also good vid
please do more than one take, i know editing would be longer with this but viewing would be much nicer
Sure thing!
if you play bioshock 2 multiplayer we can see that the exploation was made in the kitchen aswell if kashmir restaurant if im clear and if the restaurant isnt bigger
I’m still wondering if you can find comstocks body and Elizabeth’s in bioshock 1
That would be one hell of an easter egg / detail.
TheBioshockHub indeed it is. it’s just that no one ever did a video on it and I’m just a little curious if we can find some evidence of their existence in bioshock 1
@@eman_playz2229 there is not bioshock infinate was forced into the story because in bio 1and2 there is no evidence but in the remaster there is even though it was forced and infinate ruined the seris
enteresting way how the rapture civil war started well still i enjoyed the video
Wait so does that mean that bio shock infinite happened before the 1st bio shock? With Elizabeth knowing she would have to sacrifice herself for Jack later on to kill atlas/frank
So if I’m not wrong the timeline of the bio shock games would be.
1. Infinite
2. Bio shock
3 Bio shock 2
Hopefully in the 4th bio shock game coming soon they talk more about Jack because I feel like we don’t know him as well. Just that Ryan was his farther and was the ruler of rapture. But yeah let me know if I missed anything did hard bio shock fans.
Bioshockhub, do you have the remastered version of Bioshock for Xbox and PlayStation? Or do you only just have it for PlayStation? Because I want to know how you delete saves off of Bioshock 1
I have the Collection for my PS4.
TheBioshockHub Oh alright
Dbz 2003 little late but you can’t do it from the main menu. You have to be in game to clear saves
Just curious who did actually survive rapture? Who actually lived to keep the secret of the underwater city? I know Jack, Tenenbuarm, Eleanor, Sofia (depending on who you ask), the little sisters both generations I don’t know if it’s been said in any other videos!
There's 2 people from Minerva's Den, which I don't want to ruin that for you.
Genotypes are the genetic level of triats. Phenotypes are the corresponding physical traits they result in. Nucleotide sequences are the patterns found within DNA. Basically what this is saying between both is that Fontain was litterally tradmarking specific genetic codes that resulted from plasmid mutations. If anyone produced a product that resulted in someone having these genetic codes within them that wasn't Fontain, they would be infringing on his copyright. It's insane to think about. A lab somehow creates a genetic recoding that allows a person to have a particular shade of orange eyes. Instead of patenting the procedure or products used, they litterally copywrite the resulting code so no one unauthorized can have those genetics in them. That way no one can create an alternate procedure or product to get the same results. This kind of harks on old video game hardware lawsuits where chips were reverse engineered by other companies but allowed as they were components of a device that the other company legally bought possession of and the overall system was what was copywrit. Fontain was a scummy ass gifted but not clueless when it came to business savy or how to properly address it when it came to science. I can't imagine comeone comming up with copywrtiting genetic sequencing. It would have saved Ingen a lot of headache in Jurrasic Park but variants coudm still be easily created and I doubt it would fly as a practical act with real world government. The fact it was just allowed like that was very much a result of rapture full free market philosophy being taken full advantage of by fontian. It makes you question..if he could do this for parts of genetic code on artificial sequences, could he have registered naturally occuring traits like blue eyes or brown hair? They were creating plasmids that altered those for esthetic/cosmetic reasons. It would be like putting a copywrite on the word "the" and expecting a royalty whenever someone used it.
Just read the rapture book, its great highly recommend it
I remember crying by the end of the game when I finally got to kill Frank Fontaine after rescuing all the little sisters. All of those poor little girls were tools of these sick people's games for scientific experimentation and human power: all for the production of a gene-altering product that in turn made people go insane and play into the destruction of their rationality. It makes me wonder what if these slugs were never discovered? Would have Rapture gone from Utopia to Dystopia if Adam were never discovered? Sure, being isolated at the bottom of the sea, void of any sunlight, was surely going to fuck up the citizens' circadian rhythms. However, it makes me wonder if these people would have acknowledged living at the bottom of the ocean was good for themselves in the long-run to produce a different result of Rapture's safekeeping. I think the power of Adam exploits Andrew Ryan's ultimate flaw in avoiding the human parasites and their success of an insatiable desire for power. I think Rapture was never truly meant to see ceaseless success in the first place given all of the environmental issues that it can cause on anyone's psychosomatic, and physical, state.
Great video 👍
Thank you!
In the lore did any major world powers actually find rapture? Its hinted towards in the first game by ryan that thr ussr and usa shadowed him. Just curious if either of them found the ruins during the cold war.
If I'm not mistaken (after Bioshock 2) some artifacts from Rapture washed ashore and people found them.
I swear if Netflix screws up the story and atmosphere for the live action Bioshock movie I'm gonna be very disappointed
26:22 I laughed harder at that then I probably should have...
He was tewaking out.
It's funny that Ryan created a lawless haven, practically in the same bitter hope of old gentlemen (mindsets like doctors, up until the late 1800's, thinking they didn't need to wash their hands, because somehow a part of being a gentleman meant you should never have to wash your hands), thinking that the "great chain of economy" would take care of everyone, and keep the balance. There wouldn't need to be crime, as everyone should be happy.
That, to his workers, the sweat of their brow would be enough, while Ryan acts like the great parasite he preaches against, taking/eating everything from on high while looking the other way (when not actively encouraging) everything he built Rapture to escape:
• "Don't go to the surface, where they'll take your son and throw him into war," stay down here and let Rapture take your daughter, so that she can be a part of the war machine!
• "You toil just for someone else to claim your hard work," so escape to Rapture, where *THERE IS NO ESCAPE!*
• "The artist won't be censored," unless their freedom of expression is calling out the hypocrisies of the affluent in this underwater incarceration.
In every way Ryan wanted to escape society, hating parts of it and thinking he knew better, he became the exact same monster and worse (you can hide from a government, escape a nation, but Ryan has _everyone_ under glass and at his mercy)
Interesting thing is that, Plasmids or not, the civil war was going to happen, regardless. ADAM only acted like gasoline to the friction between the classes, igniting the powder keg of Rapture that much sooner
He didn't want to escape it, he wanted to franchise his own superior version of it where the established versions couldn't take it from him!
Great vid
Thanks for the heart I don’t have much to say but I can tell you love bio shock very much and the passion is noticeable in your work
You would be distraught if u did a harvest and slaughter run
I bet thay could make a game call BioShock civil war put you in the shoes of a splicer witch you should be able to pick if you want to work for Andrew or work for atlus if any body thinks that would be a good game give a like
Pretty much what the mp was on bioshock 2 on 360 and ps3
It was New Year 1959, not 1958
Sometimes I wonder, how much longer would Rapture last after Bioshock 2?
Hey look it’s Sally 11:10
how do you upload so nice quality videos!!!
Do you mean in terms of the quality of the video, or the video itself?
@@TheBioshockHub Video itself, i don't know why the videos I upload are so slow :(
@@dulceestajugando5124 Is there a way I can talk to you privately? Like Twitter or Instagram? I'll try to help as much as possible.
@@TheBioshockHub yes of course! my instagram is instagram.com/dulceviolenta/
I believe I sent you a message on there... I hope lol.
I hop your sherale go good
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