From a man's romantic fantasy to his worst nightmare. Masterfully done, one of the best scenes of the whole show the first time we really understood how evil Angelus is, talked about for so long, and finally seen.
Stuff like this is what makes Angelus one of the more terrifying Buffy villains for me. He wanted Giles to live with that image in his head for the rest of his life. He could have easily ambushed Giles while he was stunned over finding Jenny. He didn't. It's not always about killing with Angelus. It's about the suffering. Sometimes mentally and emotionally. Such a heartbreaking scene.
THIS !!! something i was thinking about while rewatching the season is what separates spike and angel apart as baddies in this season. ironically, spike is all about passion. everything he does is founded in it. romance and slaughter gain the same sort of attention from him because he throws his entire undead heart into that which he's passionate about. and what makes angel even more terrifying and evil than even spike is how, as much as he appreciates "passion" as in this episode, that's not what drives him. it's his love of cruelty and his delight at what evil acts HE can accomplish and how it makes those around him suffer that makes him happy. and that, to me, makes him one of the scariest villains in this entire show. just pure gleeful malice, and the power to back it up.
The pain and grief Giles experienced. Angelus is one of the more evil and terrifying Buffy villains. He's more interested in the pain and suffering of his victims than he is in killing them. Deliberately making Giles happy and making him think he was gonna have a romantic, intimate night with Jenny. So unbelievably vicious and cruel.
Not even that, but you know what I just realized? The bastard was still inside of the house when Giles showed up. He was watching. He went through all that trouble and likely waited hours just to see the look of despair and anguish on Giles' face. While not the most powerful one, Angelus was by far the most evil vampire in their history.
The only episode so far to make me cry. I'm watching the whole show for the first time, and it's been pretty brutal so far, but this was the first episode to bring me to tears.
@@julia.sara1 finished the show. cried a lot. like for half an hour continuously. couldn't fucking believe that ending, but loved it anyway. mind-blowing!!
A detail I love about this scene is the music, it makes the scene even more powerful on its own, but if you read the translated lyrics, right when Giles sees Jenny the line is "Only you love, command us", roughly the same line as Angel's at the start of the episode
@@philbertchow5425love this song since i watched this épisode when i was ten years old. I went to budapest opéra in hungary and saw la bohème. Beautiful and i was sayin to my bf that i liked this song since 25 years. Im french and Just love opera et puccini of course .
Yeah i was si sensitive when i was young. I love the tv show since im 10 years old and when i saw this scene and the music it was so powerful.i love classical music since this age and opéra becaude of my professor from elrmentary school il 36 now. Im frencj and a lot of opera in 2 years in budapest 😍
Brilliantly written and tragic episode. Keep in mind that the “must be invited” rule was not used beyond a gag or a joke before this. This was the moment that really took the concept and ran with it to its horrific conclusion
It's the smile for me. The entire episode is a masterclass in writing and acting, but the smile he gets when he sees the girls get the news...Angelus is the definition of pure evil. Hats off to DB for his fantastic portrayal.
One nuance I live in the phone call scene - Buffy slides down and almost caves into herself, feels her grief on her own, she’s always taking the world on her own shoulders. Meanwhile Willow breaks down, and Joyce goes to comfort her. Everyone just…acts exactly in character. Great writing.
Angelus was a sick and evil bastard. He wants just a vampire, he was a sadist. Even though Spike had the distinction of killing two slayers, Angelus was far worse. His methods of torturing his victims before killing them was the purest of evil
Yeah Even with dru The way he tortured her before turning her He could’ve just turned her. Instead her slaughtered every single person in her life, and not all at once, slow, methodical, making her insane, growing crazier and crazier. Finally she flees to a convent and that is when he sired her. He was definitely a monster of all monsters. That’s why the master from the first season had such a soft spot for him despite angel being relatively too young for the respect of an old one like the master.
@@taniele84and doing all of this to the one woman his Angel personality loved more than ever makes it worse. As Angel, there was nothing he would not do for Buffy. As Angelus, there was nothing to cruel to do to her.
I've seen this episode a billion times over the last 25 years and _just now_ noticed that you can see her neck pulsing and her eye shift the tiniest bit.
Angelus is so cruel here, and he is not even in the scene. It's one thing to be told he is cruel, it's another thing altogether to see his cruelty impact someone we care about. I truly hated Angelus in this moment. Killing Jenny wasn't enough for him. He took the time to reinforce Giles' feelings for her by staging the scene in his home, just so that her death could cause him the most pain possible. It's indescribably horrid and yet it's impossible to look away.
That was Angelus's calling card. He wanted to make his sadistic murders into works of art. It's why he made Dru insane and then turned her so she'd be locked into lunacy forever. It's no wonder Angel feels guilty.
My heart broke with Giles 😢 never thought he would be as I watched bits and pieces of the show as a child, but when I recently started binging it he hands down became one of my Top 5 favourite characters
Hannigan and Boreanaz are the only actors of buffy who still get regular work and paychecks. Thats more than most television actors from the late 90s/early 2000s got and they are worth it.
The selection committee must have been in a state of denial - couldn't believe what they were seeing - that anything on t.v. at that time could wield that much power.
One of the most tragic scenes. Giles finally found a woman who understood his mission, was with him and was his equal. Devastating. Beautifully executed, as far as drama. Giles captures each emotion, surprise, pleased when he thinks she has planned a romantic night, takes the wine and glasses up the rose strewn staircase, and then sees his beloved dead, drained by Angelus. The horror of that moment in relation to the moment he was feeling right before is truly tragic. Opera music was perfect. Beautiful Jenny, you’ll see Giles on the other side and be together as you should have been. 😢❤
It's scenes like this that make rewatching with friends almost impossible and probably best no ones home either. So you can just be upset and cry and cry till you're done.
The operistic aria in the background is "Oh, soave fanciulla" from "La boheme" composed by Giacomo Puccini. It's so good to know that Italian music art is used in American Tv series because it is a nice way to get to know it.
This was my first cry through the show… man FUUCK this NOOOOOOOO if I had to watch this weekly and be left with this, I’d be distraught. Jenny and Giles…. I love seeing him so giddy
When Willow broke down crying when she found out about Jenny’s death, I remember she broke down crying in the similar way she broke down crying when Tara died on season six episode 19
Ms. Calendar was their teacher, Giles's partner. Anya was never their friend and was only nice to her because she was Xander's girlfriend. Plus Anya was killed by a random bringer in the middle of a big war. It hurts more that Jenny was killed because Angel did it.
That scene looks just like In Halloween 1978 when Micheal has Annie's Dead body sprawed out on the bed dead with her eyes opened and throat slit when Laurie found her dead on the bed upstairs .
This episode scene was brillant how Angelus is one evil bastard out of artistry, cleverness and to watch get a shock news reaction and Alyson does perfectly🥺❤️ with Jenny’s tragedy news and David pulled it off excellent!😊👍as the villain counterpart😈
Angel became the ultimate villain. Couldn't even like the guy when he gained his soul back. Killing a beautiful sweet woman like her. And Giles one love.
Rob Roberts which one coz I rewatched the episodes from before this episode so how and when does he have permission to enter and what episode did he get permission to enter coz if u say amends episode then that’s in s3 and after that’s happened
@@Angel_Donoghue I pretty sure we never see him invited into Giles apartment onscreen before this moment. But since Angel saved Jenny in the Dark Age it's easy to image that moment happened offscreen any time after that.
I agree. I think what made it so great is that technically, Angel's still in the scene since we're seeing what he's seeing, We get a taste of how evil Angelus was, not only because he killed such an innocent character, but that he can stand back, watch and get off on the pain he caused others. That's some sick shit.
Omg I remember this it was sad!!!!!! And seeing willow cry all the time was sad!!!! I hated Angelous when I relived buffys first two seasons on DVD I was happy to see Jenny more but what Angelous did was terrible and seeing Buffy cry and hug Giles even what the councils did to her you can't blame him!!!! This episode shows Buffy really loved Giles I cried omg poor willow :( even when she catches oz with faruka and he leaves it makes me cry all the time
Idk why I watched this randomly today, but Christ this is so deeply fucked up. I watched it as a kid and I didn't really care because I only tuned in occasionally. Seeing it now is a gut punch though. Even without being a super fan, and even without watching the whole rest of the episode first.
Damn... the actress got the facial expression down, but they couldn't get her to not breathe during the money shot, so we can see her neck moving... Willow really is why we cry in this show, huh.
I loved Buffy growing up. There aren't many shows that can compare. But now that I'm in my 30s I decided to rewatch my favorite show, which I haven't seen in decades. Now that I have a fresh new perspective, I have started to notice glaringly obvious problems and mistakes in this show. This episode in particular. Correct me if I'm wrong but, I would like to point out that, up until this episode Angel has never been inside Giles house. Much less been invited in. You see where I'm going with this? How was he then able to take Jenny's body... put it on display...and also set everything up for Giles when he got back home? As a point of reference, in the Season 3 episode 10 "Amends" Angel goes to Giles for help with his dreams and can't enter his home because he hasn't been invited. Now, unless Joss casually skipped over these details because he didn't think they mattered too much in the story and he had entered his home before, we just don't know it, this scene is entirely impossible for Angelus to pull off.
After Jenny’s death they do spells at Buffy’s house, Willow’s house and they reference protecting Cordelia’s car as well. Even though its not shown it would make sense the first place other than Giles’ house they would protect would be Buffy’s. So yes both Angel and Giles have a very awkward moment when Angel asks to come in and Giles says hes aware that Angel had been banned because of Jenny’s death and will need a formal invite again to come in. Again even though it was not shown, Angel had been part of the gang with them for a while so when he kills Jenny it is inferred that he has been at Giles’ before perhaps to pick up weapons or meet Buffy there
My brother was watching this episode with me for the first time and he just kept laughing. Now I can only laugh at it too. Its just associated with my brother laughing so hard and not I find it funny.
@@alicegraham1571 upon further investigation, he says that he laughs at it because , and I quote, "Angelus just set it up so perfectly! It's so fitting for his evil personality!"
Nah. Angelus is only interesting because of Angel. If Angelus just came to town, then he would just be another vamp with a bigbad rep, and Buffy could've easily dusted him. It's the connections and genuine trust that Angel formed with the gang, that made fighting Angelus so soul crushing for them.
@@djsosonut No one was talking about how challenging of a fighter he is. They were talking about the overrall character arc of the 2 characters. The Angelus character was way more interesting. And your point is wrong, as Spike was a popular character despite having no relation to Buffy and her friends.
@@x-man9473 Hmmm. 1) "No one was talking about how challenging a fighter he is" You seems to read a lot into a statement that is just "Angelus > angel". 2) Nor was I talking how challenging a fighter Angelus is. I was not talking about his physical prowess. I'm saying that Buffy couldn't kill Angelus only because she loved Angel. If Angel wasn't a factor, and she met the unsouled Angelus first, she would've dusted Angelus easily. But because she did love Angel, Angelus was able to torture her and her friends. 3) On the Spike thing your completely missing the point and comparing apples to oranges. Spike was popular initially because he's funny and charismatic. He was far diffferent from the boring old-school ritual vamps that the gang had faced or the little kid vamp that no one in the fandom ever cared about. Spike's IN was that he was fun, it was never about how much he could physically or emotionally hurt the gang. Angelus' IN was. People loved or loved-to-hate Angelus because of all the emotional pain he caused Buffy and the group. But that pain is only possible because, like Buffy, the audience knew Angel first too. It's like the difference between seeing a random junky on the street and seeing someone you love become a junky. Your history with them makes it harder for you do disregard them. Same with Angel turning into Angelus. Otherwise Buffy pulling her punches all the time would've made us look down on her for not just killing him. But because we knew Angel, we felt her plight and wanted him to be saved too. Even as he did horrendous things. Without Angel, Angelus is just a schoolyard bully, black and white villain. And really not that interesting. It's one of the reasons--of which there are many--that his return in season 4 of Angel wasn't that interesting. Angel the series works far more with shades of grey, and Angelus is just a black and white character. Angel is far more interesting. Especially by the point in his own show.
@@djsosonut Again. You pay very little attention to the plot or even the comments. >Angelus tortured MANY people before Buffy. Angelus literally taught Spike everything he knows. >Spike is known for rushing to finish things without planning it all out first. Even then, Spike was literally seconds away from killing Buffy in his very first fight. Buffy got saved by her mom. >Yet, you think Angelus, who's been doing this longer than Spike (and is way more calculated) is suddenly gonna get easily dusted purely if "she didn't know him"? WTF show have you been watching? >Your claim of pain only being possible because Angel knows Buffy is pure nonsense. Because he tortured people he didn't know. He tortured Drusilla. And the only reason he didn't quickly kill Buffy is because he both wanted to briefly torture her and send the whole world to hell. Even when Buffy was completely motivated in the finale, she was having a long drawn out fight with him and required the help of all of her friends and assistance from Spike to barely win.
I'm sorry, but the high definition version just seems off to me. The colors are too stark. The murkiness and shadowiness of the original gives the show its added darkness and mystery, especially a thematically dark episode like this.
Yeah same thing with the original charmed DVDs better colors and smoothness and all the Blu rays suck at these they do look out of place the original DVDs had more crispier filming 😁
From a man's romantic fantasy to his worst nightmare. Masterfully done, one of the best scenes of the whole show the first time we really understood how evil Angelus is, talked about for so long, and finally seen.
Yeah this was some intense drama going on here in this season
I totally agree
Stuff like this is what makes Angelus one of the more terrifying Buffy villains for me. He wanted Giles to live with that image in his head for the rest of his life. He could have easily ambushed Giles while he was stunned over finding Jenny. He didn't. It's not always about killing with Angelus. It's about the suffering. Sometimes mentally and emotionally. Such a heartbreaking scene.
Then he goes to admire the pain of Buffy and Willow as they get the news.
THIS !!! something i was thinking about while rewatching the season is what separates spike and angel apart as baddies in this season. ironically, spike is all about passion. everything he does is founded in it. romance and slaughter gain the same sort of attention from him because he throws his entire undead heart into that which he's passionate about.
and what makes angel even more terrifying and evil than even spike is how, as much as he appreciates "passion" as in this episode, that's not what drives him. it's his love of cruelty and his delight at what evil acts HE can accomplish and how it makes those around him suffer that makes him happy. and that, to me, makes him one of the scariest villains in this entire show. just pure gleeful malice, and the power to back it up.
David Boreanaz is such a talented actor. He could play a loving tortured soul then a complete sadistic asshole so well.
Okay but like willows crying is what made me cry I’m this scene, Alyson is amazing
Completely agrree
When Willow cries the whole world cries.
@@antesmolcic4354 yup everytime willow cried i was bursting with tears
I realize I am kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good site to stream new movies online ?
@Julio Zayd Flixportal xD
The pain and grief Giles experienced. Angelus is one of the more evil and terrifying Buffy villains. He's more interested in the pain and suffering of his victims than he is in killing them. Deliberately making Giles happy and making him think he was gonna have a romantic, intimate night with Jenny. So unbelievably vicious and cruel.
this is when you really knew just how sick angelus was
Angelus is honestly one of the most evil characters I’ve ever
He was glorying in their grief. Fuckin' sicko.
Not even that, but you know what I just realized? The bastard was still inside of the house when Giles showed up. He was watching. He went through all that trouble and likely waited hours just to see the look of despair and anguish on Giles' face. While not the most powerful one, Angelus was by far the most evil vampire in their history.
The only episode so far to make me cry. I'm watching the whole show for the first time, and it's been pretty brutal so far, but this was the first episode to bring me to tears.
Entrapta Of Dryl I hope you didn’t get spoiled sir! Amazing fucking show dude
Um how did it go-
@@julia.sara1 finished the show. cried a lot. like for half an hour continuously. couldn't fucking believe that ending, but loved it anyway. mind-blowing!!
@@alltheaudios3162 yeah I’m still sad over tara’s death, also did you watch angel?
@@julia.sara1 no and honestly i don't think i plan to. don't ask why, i don't even know
Shocking scene. Angelus was a totally awesome evil bastard. Didn't notice you can see her breathing when I watched it years ago though.
How more sadistic could have been if he turned Jenny
@@vincentcushnahan5292 It wouldn't have been the same. The impact of Giles finding her lifeless body made him all the more of a sadistic fuck.
Angelus was an artist in his own words, it was never about the kill but the pleasure from inflicting misery.
He was the devil.
That scene was intense.
A detail I love about this scene is the music, it makes the scene even more powerful on its own, but if you read the translated lyrics, right when Giles sees Jenny the line is "Only you love, command us", roughly the same line as Angel's at the start of the episode
O Soave Fanciulla from La Boheme, for tenor and soprano.
These comments are such a good example of how great humans can be, thank you for being smart enough to pick up on that
@@philbertchow5425love this song since i watched this épisode when i was ten years old. I went to budapest opéra in hungary and saw la bohème. Beautiful and i was sayin to my bf that i liked this song since 25 years. Im french and Just love opera et puccini of course .
Yeah i was si sensitive when i was young. I love the tv show since im 10 years old and when i saw this scene and the music it was so powerful.i love classical music since this age and opéra becaude of my professor from elrmentary school il 36 now. Im frencj and a lot of opera in 2 years in budapest 😍
Brilliantly written and tragic episode. Keep in mind that the “must be invited” rule was not used beyond a gag or a joke before this. This was the moment that really took the concept and ran with it to its horrific conclusion
It's the smile for me. The entire episode is a masterclass in writing and acting, but the smile he gets when he sees the girls get the news...Angelus is the definition of pure evil. Hats off to DB for his fantastic portrayal.
One nuance I live in the phone call scene - Buffy slides down and almost caves into herself, feels her grief on her own, she’s always taking the world on her own shoulders. Meanwhile Willow breaks down, and Joyce goes to comfort her. Everyone just…acts exactly in character. Great writing.
Angelus was a sick and evil bastard. He wants just a vampire, he was a sadist. Even though Spike had the distinction of killing two slayers, Angelus was far worse. His methods of torturing his victims before killing them was the purest of evil
Angelus is easily the most evil character in the Buffyverse
True. He once nailed a puppy to a wall with a couple of rail spikes. Angelus was thee worse.
Yeah
Even with dru
The way he tortured her before turning her
He could’ve just turned her. Instead her slaughtered every single person in her life, and not all at once, slow, methodical, making her insane, growing crazier and crazier. Finally she flees to a convent and that is when he sired her.
He was definitely a monster of all monsters. That’s why the master from the first season had such a soft spot for him despite angel being relatively too young for the respect of an old one like the master.
@@taniele84and doing all of this to the one woman his Angel personality loved more than ever makes it worse. As Angel, there was nothing he would not do for Buffy. As Angelus, there was nothing to cruel to do to her.
Upstairs.
I've seen this episode a billion times over the last 25 years and _just now_ noticed that you can see her neck pulsing and her eye shift the tiniest bit.
Watching it for the first time atm and I sadly noticed immediately 😭 that kinda destroyed the scene for me
Angelus is so cruel here, and he is not even in the scene. It's one thing to be told he is cruel, it's another thing altogether to see his cruelty impact someone we care about.
I truly hated Angelus in this moment. Killing Jenny wasn't enough for him. He took the time to reinforce Giles' feelings for her by staging the scene in his home, just so that her death could cause him the most pain possible. It's indescribably horrid and yet it's impossible to look away.
That was Angelus's calling card. He wanted to make his sadistic murders into works of art. It's why he made Dru insane and then turned her so she'd be locked into lunacy forever.
It's no wonder Angel feels guilty.
@@chrisdurand1441I hope he fells guilty
They really had a lot of intense moments in Buffy the vampire slayer and this was one of them, very powerful indeed
My heart broke with Giles 😢 never thought he would be as I watched bits and pieces of the show as a child, but when I recently started binging it he hands down became one of my Top 5 favourite characters
His smile starting 3:20 is so perfect for Angelus.
I absolutely loved this scene I’m just like “wait for it” like you see the excitement on his face then, AHHHHHH
Alyson Hannigan is an underrated actor. Criminally underrated.
Hannigan and Boreanaz are the only actors of buffy who still get regular work and paychecks. Thats more than most television actors from the late 90s/early 2000s got and they are worth it.
Very intense episode. I hated that Giles went through that.
Okay as sick and twisted as this scene was it was very well done
This was some cold blooded shit tbh
I have no idea how BTVS never won an emmy. Stewaert Head, Gellar, Hannigan and Boreanaz gave the performance of a lifetime in this episode.
The selection committee must have been in a state of denial - couldn't believe what they were seeing - that anything on t.v. at that time could wield that much power.
One of the most tragic scenes. Giles finally found a woman who understood his mission, was with him and was his equal. Devastating. Beautifully executed, as far as drama. Giles captures each emotion, surprise, pleased when he thinks she has planned a romantic night, takes the wine and glasses up the rose strewn staircase, and then sees his beloved dead, drained by Angelus. The horror of that moment in relation to the moment he was feeling right before is truly tragic. Opera music was perfect. Beautiful Jenny, you’ll see Giles on the other side and be together as you should have been. 😢❤
I wish giles and jenny were still together
The phone ringing and the music in the background gets me bawling even before willow says anything or cries. Then it just gets uncontrollably worse
This breaks my heart everytime... RIP Jenny ❤️
i remember when this first aired. up until that moment i had never seen anything so cruel and sadistic in my life. not something you can forget.
Seeing him snap Jenny’s neck was jarring but as if that wasn’t enough they do this
Angel was a knob head. Even without a soul Spike wasn’t that bad.
It's scenes like this that make rewatching with friends almost impossible and probably best no ones home either. So you can just be upset and cry and cry till you're done.
The operistic aria in the background is "Oh, soave fanciulla" from "La boheme" composed by Giacomo Puccini. It's so good to know that Italian music art is used in American Tv series because it is a nice way to get to know it.
This was my first cry through the show… man FUUCK this NOOOOOOOO if I had to watch this weekly and be left with this, I’d be distraught. Jenny and Giles…. I love seeing him so giddy
Angelus was an artist, an artist of evil.
The Joker IS a nun compare with Ángelus.
When Willow broke down crying when she found out about Jenny’s death, I remember she broke down crying in the similar way she broke down crying when Tara died on season six episode 19
The worst nightmare for something 💔
epic and chilling poor giles
does anybody know which opera is playing the background?
It's Puccini, La Boheme
@borednow It's "O Soave Fanciulla" from La Bohème.
Dang, I forgot how wonderfully done Angelus was as a villain.
Angelous really is harsh lol
Poor Giles...he didn't deserve that
Angel = batman
Angelus = joker
They was more upset about miss calendars death then Anyas 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️with Anyas they was like “oh well”
Ms. Calendar was their teacher, Giles's partner. Anya was never their friend and was only nice to her because she was Xander's girlfriend.
Plus Anya was killed by a random bringer in the middle of a big war. It hurts more that Jenny was killed because Angel did it.
@@kpopjunkie how you can say anya don’t was there friend? They literally have good moments of friendship in all those years
That scene looks just like In Halloween 1978 when Micheal has Annie's Dead body sprawed out on the bed dead with her eyes opened and throat slit when Laurie found her dead on the bed upstairs .
One the the most cruel, sick, and twisted things I've ever seen a villain do.
One of those scenes you hate to love.
Felt so bad for Giles finding his lover jenny dead
This episode scene was brillant how Angelus is one evil bastard out of artistry, cleverness and to watch get a shock news reaction and Alyson does perfectly🥺❤️ with Jenny’s tragedy news and David pulled it off excellent!😊👍as the villain counterpart😈
Years b4 the mentalist but almost the same.
Talk bout deja vu.
Angel became the ultimate villain. Couldn't even like the guy when he gained his soul back. Killing a beautiful sweet woman like her. And Giles one love.
Wait how am I missing the fact that angelus or angel entered giles house without his permission to ever enter
Maybe that guy who owned the bar did it for him. Can’t remember his name but he was human and on the vampires side.
he had invited him into his house in a previous episode
Rob Roberts which one coz I rewatched the episodes from before this episode so how and when does he have permission to enter and what episode did he get permission to enter coz if u say amends episode then that’s in s3 and after that’s happened
Angel Donoghue I think he did in the dark age, not sure
@@Angel_Donoghue I pretty sure we never see him invited into Giles apartment onscreen before this moment. But since Angel saved Jenny in the Dark Age it's easy to image that moment happened offscreen any time after that.
This is angelus best scene even if he wasn't there
I agree. I think what made it so great is that technically, Angel's still in the scene since we're seeing what he's seeing, We get a taste of how evil Angelus was, not only because he killed such an innocent character, but that he can stand back, watch and get off on the pain he caused others. That's some sick shit.
LA BOHEME IN THE BACK I’M CRYING
AHHHHHHHHH
STILL CRYING
It’s been 11 years since I’ve seen this show. You know what that means
The Master was not exaggerating when he described Angel in season 1.
Omg I remember this it was sad!!!!!! And seeing willow cry all the time was sad!!!! I hated Angelous when I relived buffys first two seasons on DVD I was happy to see Jenny more but what Angelous did was terrible and seeing Buffy cry and hug Giles even what the councils did to her you can't blame him!!!! This episode shows Buffy really loved Giles I cried omg poor willow :( even when she catches oz with faruka and he leaves it makes me cry all the time
Dang angel be twisted.
You can see her neck moving lol
Idk why I watched this randomly today, but Christ this is so deeply fucked up.
I watched it as a kid and I didn't really care because I only tuned in occasionally. Seeing it now is a gut punch though. Even without being a super fan, and even without watching the whole rest of the episode first.
Damn... the actress got the facial expression down, but they couldn't get her to not breathe during the money shot, so we can see her neck moving... Willow really is why we cry in this show, huh.
And your judgements!
And this is why angel/ angelus is my least favourite character from buffy. Giles didn't deserve this.
Angelus is one of my favorite characters characters honestly. He’s pure evil and stuff like this makes him such a fantastic villain.
@@anatoldenevers237 he is a good villain
Was just watching this and suddenly noticed you can see her breathing. Nonetheless, horrible but great scene and storyline
I love Kurt chris pine always send me
Be gentle with yourself!
How did Angel put Jenny on the bed in Giles' house if he didn't have an invitation to come in?
It’s so heartbreaking seeing Giles go into his house like a giddy young man about to make love to his woman only to find her dead in his bed……
And yet people still ship Bangel? Angel without a soul is far worse than spike could ever hope to be.
You only have your time on this earth to Sinn try to commit gentle sins! By the time you get to heaven it all comes out in the wash!
Jenny calendar was a amazing character! She don’t deserves that ending
It was her destiny for the arc of the show. I understand your grief. I felt it too. I cried watching this again decades later.
I loved Buffy growing up. There aren't many shows that can compare. But now that I'm in my 30s I decided to rewatch my favorite show, which I haven't seen in decades. Now that I have a fresh new perspective, I have started to notice glaringly obvious problems and mistakes in this show. This episode in particular.
Correct me if I'm wrong but, I would like to point out that, up until this episode Angel has never been inside Giles house. Much less been invited in.
You see where I'm going with this?
How was he then able to take Jenny's body... put it on display...and also set everything up for Giles when he got back home?
As a point of reference, in the Season 3 episode 10 "Amends" Angel goes to Giles for help with his dreams and can't enter his home because he hasn't been invited.
Now, unless Joss casually skipped over these details because he didn't think they mattered too much in the story and he had entered his home before, we just don't know it, this scene is entirely impossible for Angelus to pull off.
After Jenny’s death they do spells at Buffy’s house, Willow’s house and they reference protecting Cordelia’s car as well. Even though its not shown it would make sense the first place other than Giles’ house they would protect would be Buffy’s. So yes both Angel and Giles have a very awkward moment when Angel asks to come in and Giles says hes aware that Angel had been banned because of Jenny’s death and will need a formal invite again to come in.
Again even though it was not shown, Angel had been part of the gang with them for a while so when he kills Jenny it is inferred that he has been at Giles’ before perhaps to pick up weapons or meet Buffy there
He may have had a sympathetic human help him?
My brother was watching this episode with me for the first time and he just kept laughing. Now I can only laugh at it too. Its just associated with my brother laughing so hard and not I find it funny.
Your brother needs help
@@alicegraham1571 upon further investigation, he says that he laughs at it because , and I quote, "Angelus just set it up so perfectly! It's so fitting for his evil personality!"
Angelus > angel
Nah. Angelus is only interesting because of Angel. If Angelus just came to town, then he would just be another vamp with a bigbad rep, and Buffy could've easily dusted him. It's the connections and genuine trust that Angel formed with the gang, that made fighting Angelus so soul crushing for them.
@@djsosonut he’s just a big, fluffy puppy with bad teeth.
@@djsosonut No one was talking about how challenging of a fighter he is. They were talking about the overrall character arc of the 2 characters. The Angelus character was way more interesting.
And your point is wrong, as Spike was a popular character despite having no relation to Buffy and her friends.
@@x-man9473 Hmmm. 1) "No one was talking about how challenging a fighter he is" You seems to read a lot into a statement that is just "Angelus > angel".
2) Nor was I talking how challenging a fighter Angelus is. I was not talking about his physical prowess. I'm saying that Buffy couldn't kill Angelus only because she loved Angel. If Angel wasn't a factor, and she met the unsouled Angelus first, she would've dusted Angelus easily. But because she did love Angel, Angelus was able to torture her and her friends.
3) On the Spike thing your completely missing the point and comparing apples to oranges. Spike was popular initially because he's funny and charismatic. He was far diffferent from the boring old-school ritual vamps that the gang had faced or the little kid vamp that no one in the fandom ever cared about. Spike's IN was that he was fun, it was never about how much he could physically or emotionally hurt the gang. Angelus' IN was. People loved or loved-to-hate Angelus because of all the emotional pain he caused Buffy and the group. But that pain is only possible because, like Buffy, the audience knew Angel first too. It's like the difference between seeing a random junky on the street and seeing someone you love become a junky. Your history with them makes it harder for you do disregard them. Same with Angel turning into Angelus. Otherwise Buffy pulling her punches all the time would've made us look down on her for not just killing him. But because we knew Angel, we felt her plight and wanted him to be saved too. Even as he did horrendous things. Without Angel, Angelus is just a schoolyard bully, black and white villain. And really not that interesting. It's one of the reasons--of which there are many--that his return in season 4 of Angel wasn't that interesting. Angel the series works far more with shades of grey, and Angelus is just a black and white character. Angel is far more interesting. Especially by the point in his own show.
@@djsosonut Again. You pay very little attention to the plot or even the comments.
>Angelus tortured MANY people before Buffy. Angelus literally taught Spike everything he knows.
>Spike is known for rushing to finish things without planning it all out first. Even then, Spike was literally seconds away from killing Buffy in his very first fight. Buffy got saved by her mom.
>Yet, you think Angelus, who's been doing this longer than Spike (and is way more calculated) is suddenly gonna get easily dusted purely if "she didn't know him"? WTF show have you been watching?
>Your claim of pain only being possible because Angel knows Buffy is pure nonsense. Because he tortured people he didn't know. He tortured Drusilla. And the only reason he didn't quickly kill Buffy is because he both wanted to briefly torture her and send the whole world to hell. Even when Buffy was completely motivated in the finale, she was having a long drawn out fight with him and required the help of all of her friends and assistance from Spike to barely win.
Hello Buffy it's Giles. I have a Bad news. Angel Killed Jenny. What ?
this was the worst scene ever :/ the acting was amazing but the scene made me cry so bad. screw angel.
well screw angelus ** angel was a literal angel
I'm sorry, but the high definition version just seems off to me. The colors are too stark. The murkiness and shadowiness of the original gives the show its added darkness and mystery, especially a thematically dark episode like this.
Yeah same thing with the original charmed DVDs better colors and smoothness and all the Blu rays suck at these they do look out of place the original DVDs had more crispier filming 😁