How to Use Socratic Dialogue | Pulp Fiction
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Tarantino's use of a philosophical method originating in Ancient Greece briefly explained.
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This is probably the best example of the Socratic method I’ve found. It’s a relatable conversation that anyone can have, and it’s immensely clearer when you piece together those conversations in the first few scenes. Great work!
Find Jan Heldfield's youtube channel using this method with politicians - its hilarious.
Well, kids in high school would pay more attention in class if teachers used this method of teaching, lol.
Some teachers *are* this good, maybe more than you think, maybe not... maybe the next cool teacher/ tutor/ mentor is you... 😉👍
Nobody (until just now!) ever taught me how to use the Socratic method, and I took a full-year course in philosophy at Stanford back in 89-90. These *real and useful topics* are *rarely* on the syllabus of *any* teacher; before youtube and the internet you’d have to read a book (and we didn’t have amazon yet either). There has been an agenda to make education meaningless from the very foundation of the American education system. Education doesn’t improve your natural talents but superimposes meaningless information over your own ideas and then tests you on it. Nobody taught me a thing that related to my starting a business, having employees, making a profit etc. Stanford didn’t teach me how to write, to analyze world events from a sociological context (though a sociology major), nothing but course readers and essays to regurgitate them. All useless information (except I did get to take a b school class from James March, who was an exception to this rant). I just learned the meaning of the word *assertion* last year, from a book i read on “assertiveness”, for instance. Such a bit of understanding would have saved me a lot of trouble in the future; Stanford left us all uneducated on such fundamentals. All the things I did in my life, I learned through luck, trial and error, intuition, getting inspired by others etc. I don’t think I ever got a foot massage worth of value out of college, to be honest. The punk rock scene taught me much, much more. (It did bring me out to the West Coast during a world historical time though, that much is true - I am grateful for that)
@@SK-le1gm Damn!
Would they?
I’m going to use this video within the next 2 weeks to teach my High Schoolers. I’ll let you know how it goes.
I always knew that Tarantino was a genius but now I understand why I could never get him to message my feet.
Your feet can’t answer a text but maybe if someone rubbed them or maybe gave them a /massage/ or something maybe they could receive a message 😁🤓
Sinister Sparky Yeah, maybe 🙂
You’re a good sport👏, I thank you for that 😉🤝 thumbs up and I agree with your premise 👍
This is the best explanation of the Socratic Method that I've seen. Thank you for putting in the effort.
Wow, I just found this video just by searching for "socratic dialogue".
Really nice that you can still find low-subscriber low-view videos that are fairly recent by searching. Imma have a look around your channel now, and I have pre-subscribed.
schuelermine The makes of this video just perfectly highlighted one of the reasons Tarantino is one of the best screenwriters out there
agreed
same
If I may ask, what are the advantages of a video that is "fairly recent" on a subject such as this?
Well. . .Give my daddy a hummer? I agree with this comment ! U S AND A NUMBER ONE
Pulp fiction and American psycho are both equally misunderstood but greatly appreciated, comedic masterpieces.
This is some real explanation.
Very nice work. Let's see more.
Loved this, great example helped keep things clear, keep it up!
Thanks for the video. This is the most clear cut explanation I could find.
Interesting first video, certainly lots of potential
finding your channel just today. I've known about and have intuitively used the socratic questioning approach for years now, but now I'll be creating a class plan in a formal teaching setting. thanks for the video, great for inspiration, subscribed. Keep up the great work please 🙏👍
I have never ever thought about this conversation before like this (maybe it has to something whit that I'm not native English speaking)...I just simply found it entertaining but man...thanks for this now I see how genius this scene is
Best explanation I've seen so far.
Thanks dude.
That was an excellent video.
Thank you.
This video is amazing man, congrats.
Wow, that was an awesome example of the results after applying the Socratic method! Thanks for sharing.
Hell yeah, man. Well done. New sub, thumbs up.
This is great man. Thanks for your effort.
This was fantastic... thank you !
This is such a great video. Also makes me think of how later in the film, we hear Marcellus's explanation that he did not throw him out the window merely in virtue of the foot massage.
So the whole argument between Jules and Vincent is grounded in a jointly-held fidelity to a certain fallacy in reasoning or causality: post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
I can translate what you said in latin but i dont know how this fits in context. Could you elaborate?
Great take my friend
Awesome way to teach the method dude. Well done
very nice video!!
nice clip man
GREAT video!! Thanks
Dude thanks, this helped me with a essay i had to write!
Beautiful video , not a second wasted. Thank you
Dude I am 39yr old male and I am very,very new to Philosophy,I didn’t know anything about its subject content(though I knew about its existence) as recent as two weeks ago I learnt of the existence of BERTRAND RUSSELL and I took keen interest in him,I’m currently reading his HISTORY OF WESTERN PHILOSOPHY book and I am loving everything about the subject,about the old school thinkers.
Thank you so much for educating me further about SOCRATES and about his ability to Think beyond what’s presented infront of him,you have opened my eyes and sharpened my intellect and THANK YOU kindly.
I’m going to read a whole lot more about Philosophy because I am loving everything about the subject.
Much Respect to you.
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Wonderful. New sub. Thank you so much.
Great video
Yay! Fun and informative.
After observing Mia Wallace’s behavior during her date with Vincent Vega, 2 things become clear: 1. She is capable of lying and hiding things from her mobster husband 2. She is a flirt 3. She likes drugs
Dude, you counted 3 things when at begging of your comment you prepared me for 2. Youre a scam brk
Interesting. Thank you.
Thanks man, I enjoyed this
Glad you enjoyed it :)
AMAZING VIDEO
Ingenious!
That was brilliant.
This was neat!
My education lecturer recommended your video. Bravo.
What a nice video, dude! Please keep doing that!
I just disagree a bit about the gave definition of "aporia". The word aporia itself is never used in the plato's dialogues and, even though it is related to the state of puzzlement and the recognition of ignorance by the interlocutor, it means, exactly, "no way out". That is, the path that the argument took found a contradiction with the reality or with the others intelocutor's belifs. Besides that, the videos is quite right to me! Congratulations
Thank you!
Thank you thank you thank you great analogy
tarantino really is the type of guy to write a philosophical dialogue about his foot kink huh. and i’m walking away with knowledge too. good video
That was great. Love Pulp Fiction and Love Socrates. So putting the twain together like this was Real Horrorshow 😎
I had a logic course in my university and it was absolute trash so abstract that you could not understand the logic behind it. I started reading anctient works sometime later and now I was wondering what the socratic method is. Now I understand what they wanted to tell us in the logic course. I wish universities used more examples that are actually present in life.
I am grateful for this because it seeks some type of knowing or common ground
I've seen Pulp Fiction at least 9 times and forgot how exactly Jules won the "foot massage" debate. Excellent.
It would be nice to see more examples of the Socratic method. This is a great one. 10:45
Ver interesting thanks
That’s an interesting point ❤
That’s an interesting point!
this is absolute genius
Great.
Thank you! Can you direct me to more examples of Socrates Method in modern movies? It's the way I learn - like a kid, cartoons would work too. Thanks!
Socratic Questioning
1. Ask questions
2. Ask a questions for questions
3. Keep asking questions until you can give an answer
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The Socratic Method is also commonly called Street Epistemology nowadays. There's a skeptic on UA-cam named Anthony Magnabosco who is a master at engaging conversation with strangers.
nice
Great Video. Although not in the frame of the movie. It could've been argued that Marcellus maybe had other issues outside of the Foot Massage ie, coming up short on payments, non payment or some other personal issues. Because the Socratic argument was did he overreact... maybe, its all relative to what a Boyfriend/Husband would deem as appropriate behavior in the context of their (meaning the 3 individuals) dynamic of the relationship.
Do more of this socratic method videos on movies please
Thank you. The explanation was bothering me all day.
Interesting but I wish there was titles in English for sequences from the film, because I am not native speaker and it was hard for me to follow.
This is a very clever way of illustrating ur point. The only problem is it made me want to watch pulp fiction
A life without watching pulp fiction is not full. Go hurry.
Something he missed which I found interesting. In Socrates' dialogs, more often than not the person he speaks with storms off in a huff. When Jules ends the talk with a pissed off "fuck you", I found it very similar to the dialogs of Socrates
Happiness is the feelings that measure the quality of our own thoughts.
I'm seeing the method applied in the dialogue but think Im missing something in the section where you test/question yourself. So I've come up with my defenition of 'courage', "Posessing bravery, vulnerability & strength of character". Am I meant to argue instances in which someone could show these qualities without being courageous? I don't see how. Any help gratefully welcomed!
So is it that someone courageous has all of these traits?
@@lanzibangli1259 I suppose not necessarily
Big things coming from this kid #wow
at 07:45, didn't you mean that "jules is saying marcellus was unjustified in using violence", not that vince was saying that?
It’s a mistake to take the Vince’s winning of the argument here as evidence for him being right about foot massages.
Tarantino is using the disagreement to show the character of the hit men’s relationship towards each other contrasted towards the outside world.
Vince’s question of whether Jules would give a man a foot massage charges into territory that the person that Jules is trying to portray himself as cannot allow.
If Jules allows himself to say that he might, for instance, give a man a foot massage in a professional context, he welcomes ridicule that defeats the role Jules is trying to play for the gangster context. And so to preserve his role on one side, he admits defeat on another.
It depends on the context on whether most straight men would give another man a foot massage. Does the other man have a sports injury or a cramp? Is the other man a blood relative or a dear friend? Is massaging feet your job? These are some scenarios which hetero men can get away with rubbing each other's feet without being dragged through the mud.
Admits de feat... Lol
Jay, I understand the point you are raising and in other gangster movies this would be overwhelmingly true.
I think the relationship displayed between Jules and Vincent through their banter indicates the character Jules would have been ok with massaging the feet of a man, and he may have said so. However, the implicit question was, “would you perform the same type of foot massage on a man as you have just bragged about performing for women.” And unless Jules’ sexual preference was something other than heterosexual he may have answered yes. The F you was simply acknowledging the fact that Vincent had successfully made his point.
Would you give a guy a foot massage?
@racer exile I'm confused. You got smarter by reading UA-cam arguments?
Wow...
it was so hard for me to listen to this, I almost have my headphones at 100% yet the sound is too low. I can't catch most of the things they're saying. I thought it was my speakers (logitech) at first, so I changed to my headphones (marshall) but the result was the same.
A similar scene is at the beginning of Inglorious Basterds about rats and squirrels
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Pulp Fiction was the big opus!
Just a minor point here: Aporia has the stress on the i, not the o. "ap-or-EE-a".
I've read a lot of Plato's Dialogues. This comparison is a real stretch.
You don't agree that Vincent was using the Socratic method? I really don't know, and I'm curious because I liked the video, and I would like to hear another opinion. I just want you to elaborate a little, if you find the time.
@@johnnytucker6709 My problem with the comparison is that one could make a similar case for practically any argument about any event. The foot massage conversation is in pursuit of a joke. It's not in pursuit of understanding the "essence" of foot massage. Jules' "F**k you" is an emotional reaction. It's not a response we'd find in a Socratic dialogue. When Jules finally admits Vince has a point, it's only in relation to the particular circumstances of that particular case, or similar cases. It sheds no light on the essence of foot massage. For example, to be truly in the flavor of Plato's dialogues, a foot massage by podiatrist, chiropractor or athletic trainer would enter into the questioning. It would be shown that sexual interpretation is not part of the essence of foot massage, contrary to Vince's assertion. Circumstances may have justified the violence, but it wasn't justified by the essence of foot massage itself.
@@donjindra Interesting Point!
How I know you read a lot of Plato’s Dialogues.
@@johnnytucker6709I see what you did there 😏
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As a massage therapist...thus gives me....feelings
I liked this just because of the pulp function
While interesting I hate that you censor the art that is pulp fictions swearing
I never quite understand what sets apart a normal discussion and one where the Socratic Method is used.
The use of questioning to lead the other to the conclusion you want them to make. The idea is that when they reach that conclusion themselves, it is more effective in convincing them than if one were to merely tell them one's conclusion.
@@djayjp This is so much clearer and straight to the point. I suspected it, but it was never as clear as you just put it.
@@The-Athenian Thanks :)
"permittied"?
Vince is right.
Tarantono utilizes the Elmore Leonard Method of dialog here
Practicable.
Foot massage, or any bodily massage, if not being carried out for exchange of value ie money...is about possession and ownership.
There's a second scene that applies this method. The very end of the movie at the start of the diner scene while discussing pork ua-cam.com/video/ZA_Tl1kvlQU/v-deo.html
“Ain’t no fucking ballpark either” lol
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How can you know that you do not know if you do not know that you do not know? Maybe you know?
I assert that a foot massage, in and of itself, is innocuous.
I invite anyone to dismantle the assertion, by making use of any method they like.
P1: Americans are obsessed with Sexual contant
P2: the expression "fuck" has always a sexual content
C: every instance of the expression mentioned above should be bleeped out all over the internet.
NOW DISCUSS using the socratic method
Your explanations are really good but you need to change the tone of your voice sometimes. It gets difficult to concentrate after a few minutes.
In Pulp Fiction, was this intentional?
I believe it is incorrect at 3:47 to define the "knowing nothing" argument as such.
It is more than he attributed this wisdom to being told that he was in fact the wisest man by the oracle of delphi, and in that he believed it only after he had tested upon many men to seek what it is they knew, and alas, he found that he was the only man what that may admit that he may in fact know nothing and in that, it is the one thing he doth know for sure.
It is speaking of lifes uncertainties and it is also a commentary on society itself. For what we 'know' to be an axe, can really be called anything at all, a stick and a stone, a hatchet, etc., but truthfully we believe it to be an axe for that is simply what we believe.
Knowing is for the gods. Humans are meant to learn to believe in what is good, and what is bad, and what may be inbetween. As it is we can always speak with certainty that we know nothing, and believe many things. Else, if we knew so certainly, how could our minds be changed and moulded so easily? :)
We are a learning, experiencing, observing creature.
The ending sounds great but the truth is anybody that doesn't know the Socratic method before ever hearing about the Socratic method (because it is just fundamentally sound -and most who don't already do things this way are by definition not fundamentally sound) is not someone that is going to readily conclude "that's an interesting point".
Meaning, that ending was our wishful thinking.
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2:07
Marcellus: I over reacted? Throws Travolta off the balcony.
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The point where he says will you give a guy a foot massage is check mate .
The Socratic Method is always unjust: One person does all the thinking work, and the other just pokes holes and feels superior.