IS ZETTA RIGHT ABOUT RIVALS 2?
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
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Some of the dialogue had to be replaced cause of complications. So its not always good.
But MGG helped out with that. Without his help it wouldve been worse
Drift DI is a constant defensive option you have during a combo, and shields are exclusively a grounded option, mostly in neutral. IDK how you could reasonably believe they serve the same purpose or that shields "make up for" no drift DI.
Because they ARE. Doesn't matter that the defense is used in different ways they are LITTERALLY DEFENSE. Shield makes up for drift di because its way to have defense. if there was no drift di in rivals 1 you would have people die at like 10 percent. So its comparable. One is more air focused; another is grounded. Thats it. They are still defensive options. I don't know why its an issue for you.
@@SoftwareNeos If you had a kevlar vest, and I took that away from you and gave you a bike helmet instead, you would be reasonably upset because those 2 things, while both being protective, serve extremely different purposes. The Bike helmet doesnt make up for the kevlar vest in the same way a grounded, neutral defense option does not make up for a grounded/aerial disadvantage option. They are 2 completely different ways to approach defense, and realistically I would want both the vest and the helmet.
As someone very intwined with melee meta and of course a big smash fan, drift di is in general a good mechanic and the fact it’s missing from this game is upsetting. But also it interests me in fact that true combos will be true combos no matter di, and edge guarding will be more setups and less predictions Aka I’m happy it leads to an easier to pick up but still technical meta. That being said, shields are not the same at all. They actually added grabs to this game that counter shields, while DI isn’t really countered. One is a passive defensive option used to help survival in a bad situation, while the other is an active defensive option used to prevent a bad situation and maybe even get a punish off of. IMO I think software is wrong, but what he’s saying is still fair.
34:56 Something people may not know that I found out about normal pummel (I learned it from Wisely's video on Rivals 2) is that landing a normal pummel removes the chain grab protection characters have when they get grabbed, so you can regrab and continue the combo. The normal pummel is actually quite valuable, especially at higher levels where players will know how to take advantage of regrabs.
Edit: My bad, you mentioned it a minute later.
Man, my mic quality is ass.
Next podcast we used the discord bot. Youll have better audio. Im just glad you had a lot of jokes
@@SoftwareNeosThat's good to hear.
strangely relaxing reaction
Yeah... i think a lot of people thought wed be rabbid. But.... tbh it was tamer than i thought.
Oh hey, Mr Game Guy is here. Nice
I think the only thing you guys missed that could be brought to the conversation is that Guilty Gear is an example of a game that diminishes some of it's "identity" and turned to something closer to "Traditional Street Fighter".... and it worked out great for them!
The game is the least Guilty gear-ish it has ever been and plenty of long time fans complained about it initially. Then it became the most successful one in the series and the amount of players who like it for what it is became louder than those fans.
Perhaps the bet here is that the same will happen to Rivals 2, where it plays closer to a Smash-like with its shield and ledges... BUT with _some_ rival mechanics and sensibilities to make it stand out.
Yo Athor!
I actually go over this more in the last video i did
I like how understanding this video is, where you guys aren’t criticizing points you’re just saying your thoughts on those points. Cool video!
Also, have you guys thought about having a discussion with zetta? I think you guys coming to a conclusion on the critiques of rivals 2 could be really cool to see.
Id love for us to talk to zetta. I just havent given them a dm. Maybe i should
@@SoftwareNeos Get Garfield in here, he'd have a mouthful.
24:01 how on earth did you manage to not shut up yet say absolutely nothing for a solid 3 minutes
Are you on drugs?
@@SoftwareNeos fuck my b was that a requirement
"It doesn't seem like this video..."
[Like button glows]
Lol
An interesting video concept. Going back and forth, and good points all around.
Yeah. I want everyone to talk their points. But i also wanna understand zetta.
New podcast soon. Then finally. Flash party Glazing
Now zetters f throw absorbs fire now. So I guess the devs are really taking everything in to thought.
Any chance you're looking for more people to contribute to plat fighter discussions? I've been playing them since Melee's release and would love to add some insight 😊
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Come to the discord server and we can see.
25:13 I imagine the argument is morseo based on the fact that the special getups/pummel special are selling points to set Rivals 2 apart from other platfighters, but in practice they aren't that significant, being relegated to situational gimmicks rather than something that shakes up the core gameplay. Like the title of this section of the video, it's just fluff.
I guess my problem is that its ONE OF the selling points. And its honestly more impactful than you think. I look to killer instinct again... and that game having combo breaker just makes it different off rip.
In rivals 2... its not just this. New 3d animation, shields and legends. All while keeping the actual character design people love.
Its gonna look even better in the future. Cause every fighting game nowadays start off agressive only to lead into defensive tendencies. And knowing the meta to special pummel just might be a part of that.
Professional yappers reacting to VETRON yapper.
Dont forget the normal pummel lets you re grab, rather than having to wait for them to recover to be grabbed again. So it's more than the hit dmg.
Based on previous rivals takes I can't trust any opinions you have on this series so the premise of this video is ironic to me
edit: mb this comment was kinda mean af now that I think about it, I think some of the criticisms made in this video were pretty dumb and missed the point but there was also some insightful stuff in there and overall the video was at the very least a pretty interesting response to the original video
Couldve been worse
I wonder what rivals take you mean. If you meant the workshop i already explained why in the response. So idk what you mean
@@SoftwareNeos Nah you're right about that, I guess generally when it comes to defensive options in rivals vs rivals 2 I think it's reasonable for rivals fans to be upset with the direction they're going, while being a super offense oriented game made rivals harder to get into at a base level, it definitely carved out a niche for itself in comparison to other plat fighters and had a pretty healthy gameplay loop for the most part despite the things it lacked, whereas with rivals 2 they seem to be shifting in a "safer" direction and implementing more platform fighter tropes while cutting back on some of the things that made rivals feel unique, which obviously isn't all bad I think the parry is a pretty silly defensive option as one of the sole ways to stop attacks outright don't get me wrong, but by adding things like shields, ledges, knockdowns, etc, the game loses some of that smoothness in movement it used to have and it makes itself stand out a lot less which I think is a reasonable complaint from people who have adapted to it's quirks for years only to have them toned down to make the game more accessible to a wider audience. I'm not saying that they're making the game less fun, I feel like if anything I enjoy rivals 2 more than 1 personally but at the same time I think there's good reason to feel the opposite.
Aside from that there are parts where you'll say something that I super agree with like how getup/ledge specials being context specific and not very applicable is a good thing, that's probably the worst point in the original video because like, yeah, duh, you're not supposed to be using them all the time its a mixup, this is a fighting game, and same with special pummel and all that, but then you'll say shit like "erm actually loxodont is NOT like dedede" which I know isn't super serious but just does not add to the conversation and makes it seem like you're finding things about the video to dislike on purpose, and then the drift DI vs shields thing which I kinda just disagree with you guys on, I think there's really no reason for it to not be in the game, it was such a good idea, felt nice, and made the defense more engaging, and then they just got rid of it, and I don't really see why you can't have both
I also want to add when it comes to drift di vs shields that they are so fundamentally different and cover such different scenarios that they're almost incomparable, one of them is built to prevent you from getting hit, the other only works while in hitstun, one locks you in place, the other gives you more freedom in movement, etc etc, with them both being good in their own ways and both contributing to a more active defensive game. If anything the game's defense should be built around drift di and not the other way around, and it really doesn't make defense too strong, it just makes you have to think more while you're attacking which I think is a good thing, and I think you could definitely tone it down without completely removing it
TBF.... i never said anything about the loxodaunt comment. I dont really play smash anymore so idk if its even true. Whoever comes to the podcast can say whats on their mind. And usually me saying nothing isnt necessarilly agreeing. I just sometimes have nothing to add cause idk what to say. I think overall the video was great. Especially since i actually had a lot to agree with zetta. Sometimes we have little tidbits of nothing but i TRY to keep it at a minimum. Imma look at the other comment you types now@@mbot1901
I think you took some of their criticisms too seriously and came off as defensive rather than actually interested in a dialogue. Also, the part about the new specials being niche, I didn’t think they were complaining about that. I think they were complaining about how some characters don’t get good use out of it. Like sometimes you are picking apart things that they’re not talking about.
Bro. If i wasnt interested in the dialogue id just agree with everything waffleman and MGG said and just move on. I think some ideas make sense. others dont.
Of course theres gonna be some points i dont understand but as long as its a small number of them then its fine. Im not trying to pick apart things. Im just trying to understand where everyones head is at.
Can't wait for the next podcast
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We try to make it as interesting as we can
the only reason i got rivals 1 is because characters i want in smash arent in smash so i could use workshop characters, if theres no workshop support im just not gonna buy rivals 2
Well they are adding workshop later, maybe in like a year or 2, because they got to make the game still
Workshop for a 3d game is way harder then in a 2d one so u gotta be patient
@@squircled6274 idc if it takes like a year or longer i just wont buy the game until theres workshop
@@maddoxreddish4352 fair enough
@@maddoxreddish4352 well your missing out cus R2 is a really good game even if in EA
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