Kid Baltan (Dick Raaijmakers) and Tom Dissevelt at Philips "Nat. Lab" 1959, explaining how electronic tape music is made. Broadcast by VARA television on January 17, 1959
Translation from dutch: 0:13 The tone you can hear comes from one of the twelve boxes you can see here and it is possible to get more tones from the other boxes, in order to form accords. I can show this now. 0:31 Here a low tone, here a high tone, and here an even higher tone. 0:37 This accord consisting of 4 tones I have recorded on a tape recorder 0:43 And I think I have enough, so I can switch this off 0:50 The composer indicates the way to edit the accord 1:00 I want to show you this while this magneto phone is running by rewinding and fast forwarding of the tape 1:08 This way the pitch of this accord changes 1:10 I have recorded this on the tape recorder and by cutting a little piece of it also by indication of the composer of course and by joining the ends together you get a loop 1:26 And I can play back this loop on a magneto phone so this sound will be repeated 1:32 Here is this loop that is recorded on a tape recorder and I will show you how this sound is repeated 1:48 And we have the possibility to duplicate the sound we just heard and adding it by this machine 2:11 Besides electric sounds we can record natural sounds and cutting a loop of it 2:17 Of this I will show you some examples 2:20 I have here a sound of a alarm clock a foot step a wriggeling like figure and a tower clock Provided by Darcy261
This is fantastic to see the two gentlemen that made a recording I have admired since childhood. Anyone remember the opening theme music to WOR TVs, was it Science Fiction Theater? This was in the early to mid 1960's. I think the name of the song on that LP I have is Song of the Moon Maid. Thank you for your very much appreciated post.
Back in the day when making music was a work that required genuine talent and dedication. Nowadays, things are too easy. Absolute respect to these masters.
Max16032 Creating good music has become easier, but that's not a bad thing. Making GOOD electronic music (and I don't just mean any charting EDM single) still requires effort and musical know-how.
When I was working at the tv 📺 I used to record tones at different speeds and editing for hours it was so much fun then I added images. But that was not all when I was a kid a I had nine tape recorders and used to do a lot of experiments. I love it I want to have some modular eurorack synthesizer
and i discovered something very exciting eco or delay with two recorders microphone to microphone and then BAM! DELAY ECO ECO ECO ECO,,,, , , , , , , ,
Reminds me of the BBC's Radiophonic Workshop, which used the same techniques as Baltan and Dissevelt did in this video.
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0:30 - telling my friends to watch this video to see how cool musique concrete is 1:06 - loosing 90% of them 1:39 - loosing the remaining 10% who withstood the previous part
Hoy resulta muy facil lograr estos sonidos y distorsiones,pero este video ilustra el origen de la musica electronica,free,etc y sirvio para elaborar los sintetizadores,mixer,sampler,etc la busqueda como musico de aprovechar lo que tenian a mano sirvio como inventiva e hizo un gran aporte para mejorar la musica,gracias por este video.-
Si y no. No es tan fácil hacer cosas así hoy en día. requiere de bastante creatividad. Pero entiendo tu punto. Los "Sintes" ya existían desde finales del 1800 😄🤖👽🎛️🎹
Once in an interview, Ralf Hutter, spoke about the influence of arrangements futuristic jazz Disselvet, as well as intrudution effects exploited by Ray Scott in his música.But all hampered by the lack of an electronic rhythmic, and he and Florian They took a long time to develop, such as electronic beat and even instruments nonexistent.
Translation from dutch: 0:13 The tone you can hear comes from one of the twelve boxes you can see here and it is possible to get more tones from the other boxes, in order to form accords. I can show this now. 0:31 Here a low tone, here a high tone, and here an even higher tone. 0:37 This accord consisting of 4 tones I have recorded on a tape recorder 0:43 And I think I have enough, so I can switch this off 0:50 The composer indicates the way to edit the accord
Bebe y Barron son parte del conjunto de pioneros y pilares de la Música Electrónica junto a otros como Dissevelt y Raymond Scott, son ello quienes crean las primeras bases, moldes y sofisticación de la Música Electrónica (Post Concreta, Moog, Experimental & Soundtrack) allanando el camino para Kingsley, Derbishyre, Hogsond, Garson, Cecil, Hyman, Perrey, Lasry, Carlos...(entre otros de la 2da ola de productores y desarrolladores de la Electrónica 60s). El trabajo de Bebé y Barron (E. Soundtrack) definitivamente empieza a evolucionar la Música Concreta y es parte del inicio de la Música Electrónica.
The idea of looping sound tracks is not new to the pioneering efforts of Kid Baltan and Tom Dissevelt shown here in 1959. The recording medium they used was newer (magetophone) but it seems to me the film industry had the capability to this kind of thing using optical sound recordings on film and playing them back on film phonographs/dubbers. If Mel Blanc was singing in harmony with himself it was done with multi-tracking on photographic sound tracks until magnetic sound on film in the 1950's.
1:32 Here is this loop that is recorded on a tape recorder and I will show you how this sound is repeated 1:48 And we have the possibility to duplicate the sound we just heard and adding it by this machine 2:11 Besides electric sounds we can record natural sounds and cutting a loop of it 2:17 Of this I will show you some examples 2:20 I have here a sound of a alarm clock a foot step a wriggeling like figure and a tower clock
1:00 I want to show you this while this magneto phone is running by rewinding and fast forwarding of the tape 1:08 This way the pitch of this accord changes 1:10 I have recorded this on the tape recorder and by cutting a little piece of it also by indication of the composer of course and by joining the ends together you get a loop 1:26 And I can play back this loop on a magneto phone so this sound will be repeated
Correcto...el House, Techno, Trance (entre otros) son géneros electronicos de la EDM 80s (2da Fase / Ramificacion 1981-1989) La EDM 80s es la 2da etapa del EDM Concreto 70s (1ra Fase / 1977-1980) la cual se compone de los géneros primarios y matrices NRG (HI-NRG), Synthpop y Electro...el pionero, padre y fundador del EDM Concreto es Giorgio Moroder. Ahora el EDM Concreto al igual que las bases electrónicas de los productores y máximos desarrolladores de la electrónica de los 70s: Moroder, Jarre, Lacksman, Tangerine, Dreams, YMO, Schulze, Vangelis, Faltermeyer, Tonet, Gizzi, Pinhas, Martín W. & Ian C...(solo por mencionar algunos) se forja directamente de la misma Música Electrónica Post Concreta, Moog, Experimental & Soundtrack de finales del 50s, 60s e inicios del 70s: Kingsley, Derbishyre, Hogsond, Garson, Cecil, Hyman, Perrey, Lasry, Carlos...y uno de los pioneros y pilares en iniciar este movimiento electronico son Tom Dissevelt y Raymond Scott los cuales empezaron a sofisticar y evolucionar la Música Concreta (Schaffer). La Música Concreta es el inicio. Esta es la verdadera ruta de la Música Electrónica hasta el House. PD: El Electro Funk fue el que entró en síntesis con la EDM a partir del 77 y la escena Disco nutriendo más los géneros electronicos de la EDM 80s: House, Techno, Synthpop, NRG, Freestyle, Italo, New Beat, Trance, Acid, Electro, Eurobeat...incluido la base electrónica primaria de la "ebm" y lo más sofisticado de la Electro Industrial. El Progressive Rock o el Krautrock de Kraftwerk quedan en la última fila y en el EDM, el desarrollo y la evolución de la Música Electrónica son irrelevantes.
Era el tiempo de Dissevelt quien le daría el cargo de desarrollo a Gershon Kinsley y Delia Derbishyre y estos a Moroder y Krafwerk naciendo en los 70s el EDM y sus primeros estilos HI-NRG (Moroder) y Synthpop (Kraftwerk)...
They released a recording in 1957. It was completed two days before the launch of the Sputnik satellite. They called it Song of the Second Moon in honor. The Dutch language word for Satellite is Kunstmaan - Artificial Moon. ua-cam.com/video/bVl2_MSwmSA/v-deo.html
![Tom Dissevelt & Kid Baltan - Song of the Second Moon [Milan - massive apollo remix]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/b_T2iJQqsf8/mqdefault.jpg)
You cant be more retro than this
...The Pioneers of electronic music.
Thank YOU, Gentlemen.
Thank You very much.
:D
No, Radiohead invented electronic music
@@benijager1372shut up
Translation from dutch:
0:13 The tone you can hear comes from one of the twelve boxes you can see here and it is possible to get more tones from the other boxes, in order to form accords. I can show this now.
0:31 Here a low tone, here a high tone, and here an even higher tone.
0:37 This accord consisting of 4 tones I have recorded on a tape recorder
0:43 And I think I have enough, so I can switch this off
0:50 The composer indicates the way to edit the accord
1:00 I want to show you this while this magneto phone is running by rewinding and fast forwarding of the tape
1:08 This way the pitch of this accord changes
1:10 I have recorded this on the tape recorder and by cutting a little piece of it also by indication of the composer of course and by joining the ends together you get a loop
1:26 And I can play back this loop on a magneto phone so this sound will be repeated
1:32 Here is this loop that is recorded on a tape recorder and I will show you how this sound is repeated
1:48 And we have the possibility to duplicate the sound we just heard and adding it by this machine
2:11 Besides electric sounds we can record natural sounds and cutting a loop of it
2:17 Of this I will show you some examples
2:20 I have here a sound of a alarm clock a foot step a wriggeling like figure and a tower clock
Provided by Darcy261
+Todd Jordan Thanks!
Not all heroes wear capes!
Thanks a lot!
Thank you kind friend.
Oscillators
GENIUS AT WORK !!!
THAT WARM AMALOGUE TAPE SOUND UNMATCHABLE :-)
This is fantastic to see the two gentlemen that made a recording I have admired since childhood. Anyone remember the opening theme music to WOR TVs, was it Science Fiction Theater? This was in the early to mid 1960's. I think the name of the song on that LP I have is Song of the Moon Maid. Thank you for your very much appreciated post.
Great to see the equipment.So many amazing sounds from such a small array.
Amazing!
I like kid baltan and Tom diselvelt music super well done fantastic works
Back in the day when making music was a work that required genuine talent and dedication. Nowadays, things are too easy. Absolute respect to these masters.
You should try peaking lights a try if you havent already.
Max16032 Creating good music has become easier, but that's not a bad thing. Making GOOD electronic music (and I don't just mean any charting EDM single) still requires effort and musical know-how.
@@robinenlennard just take a look at brooks. Many tried to replicate but doesn’t sound the same.
Makes you appreciate just how compact a modern synth unit is, even in the 70’s
When I was working at the tv 📺 I used to record tones at different speeds and editing for hours it was so much fun then I added images. But that was not all when I was a kid a I had nine tape recorders and used to do a lot of experiments. I love it I want to have some modular eurorack synthesizer
and i discovered something very exciting eco or delay with two recorders microphone to microphone and then BAM! DELAY ECO ECO ECO ECO,,,, , , , , , , ,
Reminds me of the BBC's Radiophonic Workshop, which used the same techniques as Baltan and Dissevelt did in this video.
0:30 - telling my friends to watch this video to see how cool musique concrete is
1:06 - loosing 90% of them
1:39 - loosing the remaining 10% who withstood the previous part
Genios
those guys were simply genius!
wow he was a head of his time
Hoy resulta muy facil lograr estos sonidos y distorsiones,pero este video ilustra el origen de la musica electronica,free,etc y sirvio para elaborar los sintetizadores,mixer,sampler,etc la busqueda como musico de aprovechar lo que tenian a mano sirvio como inventiva e hizo un gran aporte para mejorar la musica,gracias por este video.-
Si y no. No es tan fácil hacer cosas así hoy en día. requiere de bastante creatividad. Pero entiendo tu punto. Los "Sintes" ya existían desde finales del 1800 😄🤖👽🎛️🎹
True Genius.
Imagine the weight of all that equitment and the time it took to set -up!!
AWSOME.
Thanx 4 this post!
thank u very much for posting!
Once in an interview, Ralf Hutter, spoke about the influence of arrangements futuristic jazz Disselvet, as well as intrudution effects exploited by Ray Scott in his música.But all hampered by the lack of an electronic rhythmic, and he and Florian They took a long time to develop, such as electronic beat and even instruments nonexistent.
TO DAY I JUST HAVE A LITTLE GARAGE BAND IN MY PHONE BUT WITH CREATIVITY YOU CAN DO CRAZY STUFF
zseniális
Thank you!!!!
GENIUS
Os caras são foda!!!
true inspiration
Gruwelijk!
Yooooooooo🔥🇬🇳🌿🎤
i think the list of their live concerts is pretty short :) great respect to this men to produce great music using this rudimentary equipment
Translation from dutch:
0:13 The tone you can hear comes from one of the twelve boxes you can see here and it is possible to get more tones from the other boxes, in order to form accords. I can show this now.
0:31 Here a low tone, here a high tone, and here an even higher tone.
0:37 This accord consisting of 4 tones I have recorded on a tape recorder
0:43 And I think I have enough, so I can switch this off
0:50 The composer indicates the way to edit the accord
ΑΠΙΣΤΕΥΤΟ!!!
Wow!
Bellissimo.
2:04 "Hmmm, needs more cowbell..."
one guy talks , the other one smokes. soo funny. :D
~cool clip...greetings from 2 musicians (sitar & tanpura) from germany........(maria&harald,road to himalaya)...~
2.15 - 2.18 badass
Ez se tegnap volt.
Reminds me of the stuff Bebe and Louis Barron did for the soundtrack of Forbidden Planet (1956). Very cool.
Bebe y Barron son parte del conjunto de pioneros y pilares de la Música Electrónica junto a otros como Dissevelt y Raymond Scott, son ello quienes crean las primeras bases, moldes y sofisticación de la Música Electrónica (Post Concreta, Moog, Experimental & Soundtrack) allanando el camino para Kingsley, Derbishyre, Hogsond, Garson, Cecil, Hyman, Perrey, Lasry, Carlos...(entre otros de la 2da ola de productores y desarrolladores de la Electrónica 60s).
El trabajo de Bebé y Barron (E. Soundtrack) definitivamente empieza a evolucionar la Música Concreta y es parte del inicio de la Música Electrónica.
Interview with Kid Baltan in which he explains the techniques used in more detail: ua-cam.com/video/8ykZYy82eGs/v-deo.html
This is what I picture working in Heaven would be like!
world first "looping" from tracks! beat that ableton and traktor haha
The idea of looping sound tracks is not new to the pioneering efforts of Kid Baltan and Tom Dissevelt shown here in 1959. The recording medium they used was newer (magetophone) but it seems to me the film industry had the capability to this kind of thing using optical sound recordings on film and playing them back on film phonographs/dubbers. If Mel Blanc was singing in harmony with himself it was done with multi-tracking on photographic sound tracks until magnetic sound on film in the 1950's.
@buddygunz it's called the clock tower, they made this music in one of the other buildings on the same terrain.
1:32 Here is this loop that is recorded on a tape recorder and I will show you how this sound is repeated
1:48 And we have the possibility to duplicate the sound we just heard and adding it by this machine
2:11 Besides electric sounds we can record natural sounds and cutting a loop of it
2:17 Of this I will show you some examples
2:20 I have here a sound of a alarm clock a foot step a wriggeling like figure and a tower clock
Philips is a dutch company
1:00 I want to show you this while this magneto phone is running by rewinding and fast forwarding of the tape
1:08 This way the pitch of this accord changes
1:10 I have recorded this on the tape recorder and by cutting a little piece of it also by indication of the composer of course and by joining the ends together you get a loop
1:26 And I can play back this loop on a magneto phone so this sound will be repeated
they sent me here 56 @ Fairview.
Popular Electronics
all tapes :P somthing thats simple for a computer today to do took a whole room of tape players and main frames to do in that time XD
Original loop!
Im here cuz a guy said black people didnt create house music..
Ill be open minded and respect to Europe for keeping house alive
Correcto...el House, Techno, Trance (entre otros) son géneros electronicos de la EDM 80s (2da Fase / Ramificacion 1981-1989)
La EDM 80s es la 2da etapa del EDM Concreto 70s (1ra Fase / 1977-1980) la cual se compone de los géneros primarios y matrices NRG (HI-NRG), Synthpop y Electro...el pionero, padre y fundador del EDM Concreto es Giorgio Moroder.
Ahora el EDM Concreto al igual que las bases electrónicas de los productores y máximos desarrolladores de la electrónica de los 70s: Moroder, Jarre, Lacksman, Tangerine, Dreams, YMO, Schulze, Vangelis, Faltermeyer, Tonet, Gizzi, Pinhas, Martín W. & Ian C...(solo por mencionar algunos) se forja directamente de la misma Música Electrónica Post Concreta, Moog, Experimental & Soundtrack de finales del 50s, 60s e inicios del 70s: Kingsley, Derbishyre, Hogsond, Garson, Cecil, Hyman, Perrey, Lasry, Carlos...y uno de los pioneros y pilares en iniciar este movimiento electronico son Tom Dissevelt y Raymond Scott los cuales empezaron a sofisticar y evolucionar la Música Concreta (Schaffer).
La Música Concreta es el inicio.
Esta es la verdadera ruta de la Música Electrónica hasta el House.
PD: El Electro Funk fue el que entró en síntesis con la EDM a partir del 77 y la escena Disco nutriendo más los géneros electronicos de la EDM 80s: House, Techno, Synthpop, NRG, Freestyle, Italo, New Beat, Trance, Acid, Electro, Eurobeat...incluido la base electrónica primaria de la "ebm" y lo más sofisticado de la Electro Industrial.
El Progressive Rock o el Krautrock de Kraftwerk quedan en la última fila y en el EDM, el desarrollo y la evolución de la Música Electrónica son irrelevantes.
Era el tiempo de Dissevelt quien le daría el cargo de desarrollo a Gershon Kinsley y Delia Derbishyre y estos a Moroder y Krafwerk naciendo en los 70s el EDM y sus primeros estilos HI-NRG (Moroder) y Synthpop (Kraftwerk)...
Must have been a real PITA to produce an entire composition, cutting tape and stuff...
They released a recording in 1957. It was completed two days before the launch of the Sputnik satellite. They called it Song of the Second Moon in honor. The Dutch language word for Satellite is Kunstmaan - Artificial Moon.
ua-cam.com/video/bVl2_MSwmSA/v-deo.html
And here is the full LP from 1959: ua-cam.com/video/P9IscmUEFFk/v-deo.html
Translation please?
PHILIPS EL 3505?
Of course there's a documentary about this place that is nigh impossible to find because of a crappy horror movie also named Room 306
I'm Luts Duts
Magnetic tape sounds lifeless and brittle. Wax phonograph cylinders have a warmer organic sound. Can't beat 'em.
drops are overrated.