STEAM ENGINE VS COUNTY 1884 TRACTOR TUG OF WAR !
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2017
- A few steam engines try the mighty county 1884 in a tug of war
At ballymena steam engine show Northern Ireland
Who wins the battle ? watch to the end ! - Авто та транспорт
Horsepower - 10
Torque - Infinity
Amazing how much torque those old things had.
Haha. Yeah. Very powerful!!
Not a lot at the wheels.
just wait till you see the case 150 hp!
You can't underestimate the steam power machines just because they're old they got a lot of pulling power
Steam is number one, Thomas taught me so
well no shit steam beats diesel at every thing but speed
@@metalheadgamer5751 and efficiency.
@@metalheadgamer5751 LOL not true
It's all about the fat controller
I mean, releasing steam is better than releasing smoke since its bad for the environment.
I have always admired steam power, simply because of its simplicity, all it requires is fire and water, and those two basic simple elements when used together I’m more powerful turn almost anything we can build today, and these things were built over 100 years ago, to me that’s nothing short of a miracle! Whoever invented steam locomotives was an absolute genius, hard to believe something so simple could be so incredibly powerful and effective, and probably a much lower operating cost. It almost makes me question why we even bothered with diesel, when steam could easily take its place to this very day. I know steam engines take a lot more TLC, but if you’re looking for pure brute strength, you can’t go wrong with steam, wish I could say the same for diesel, but having driven both, steam hands-down is the clear winner, it’s just a lot more complicated at first to operate, but once you get the hang of it it’s dead simple, and very easy to fix.
I agree but diesel has lower operating costs though. And more efficient
You can feed that diesel all day with a few gallons, yoi can't do the same with a steam engine. Plus, the actual size of the engine in both machines isn't even comparable, a diesel of the size of that steam engine can be found in a ship not in a tractor
Uh, and iron
Imagine pulling up to the coal station to fill up on two tons of high grade
@@wrlatte9937 not when they switched to oil burning steam engines.
That's pretty surprising given the amount of drive wheel contact to the ground the diesel has over the steamer.
That's made up for by the tractor's sheer weight. Most of that steam tractor is cast steel, even the wheels, so it's a lot heavier than it looks.
Man, the torque on those steam engines is unreal.
Modern tractor trying its best.
Steam tractor" wait i haven't started yet"
@@Angie-dh5gr not in the case of these steam tractors, these things can't do shit compared to real tractors today, plus it weighs a lot more than the other tractor so it wasn't fair
@@Burago2k no its just steam traction engines are far stronger
@@welsh_Witch Nonsense, traction is what decides it, and that comes from ground contact design and weight.
@@Burago2k It's low speed, high torque. It's nothing to do with the weight of the engine.
Traction engines work harder when they are just about to stall, just at a slower pace.
@@goldenarrow71 i was saying that their weight is an advantage to pulling and that they are basically really slow, i mean this really isn't for talking, these are relics that no one uses and are outdated, and these machines can never see as much work as normal tractors, simply too slow and rigid, old machines are always tougher made but this is too old, thats the point
I'm surprised the chain didn't break. It was small enough that I couldn't even see it on my phone. I thought maybe they should be using something more like battleship anchor chain.
As a general rule I'd just stay the hell away from chains: ua-cam.com/video/ETFFeUoq5Vw/v-deo.html .
joe woodchuck it’s a bar, watching it flexing in the middle
@@niallmallon7324 actually your both wrong, it’s a wire rope
@@hellohello3199 No its a steel bar, I was at the show, seen it and know it was made by the man standing between the engine and tractor.
Average internal combustion engine fan VS average steam engine enjoyer
You gotta remember....
That steam machine is nothing but steel and water. There’s a lot of weight there helping him out...
Great video.
Steel, Water, and TORQUE.
That's part of the package. You can't separate any individual component. If the steam engine is get a "weight" advantage is because that weight is part of its nature, so it's still attributable to the steam machine as whole.
its also 2x4 vs 4x4 so the tractor has quite a bit of traction as well, it also itself not very light
@Obi-Wan Kinobe
The designs may be old but the machines are not. These steam engines are fairly new reproductions.
You don't think the tractor is heavy...? Modern diesel locomotives weigh the same and usually more than steam locomotives
This is why we use steam for the vast majority of even electric production...we are still in the STEAM AGE even if we have glorified atomic boilers...
I love watching videos of steam engines beating the crap out of diesels
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That's not what happened in this video but okay.......
Ballast the cost of unty to the same we will ght then let's see it would slipe that traction engine it's all about weight and a lighter tractor wasn't pulled by the steamer so I'd say win for county
@@zzirSnipzz1 The only reason why the County wasn't pulled backwards was because the Traction Engine had smooth rubber tyres and only one of the drive wheels was grabbing enough to put any power at all to the Very Wet ground while the other spun. For an Engine with smooth tyres and only one wheel gripping on wet mud to stop a nearly as heavy 4WD tractor that has much better tread and all 4 wheels driving, dead in it's tracks and let it bury itself is proof enough and very impressive. Watch "Millars Tractor Spares" even when the other tractor buried itself in the mud, the Steam Engine kept going against the building resistance of the mud piling up. Even if the tractors were the same weight the Steam Engine would still win because the Diesel just cannot compete with the torque.
@@boostjunkie2320 Watch "Millars Tractor Spares" the only reason why the same thing didn't happen here was because of the very wet mud. Plus the second Engine in this video had smooth rubber tyres and only one of the rear drive wheels was gripping enough to put any power to the ground while the other wasted most of it by slipping and spinning. For an engine in those conditions to stop a 4 wheel drive tractor that had much better tread (and therefore much better chances at getting a grip) dead in it's tracks and make it bury itself is impressive.
Often steam tractors only have one cylinder but it’s a huge cylinder
Damn, I am impressed by the torque these traction engines had.
My biggest fear would be that teeny chain snapping and clipping my head off....
Yes I see its a cable, but still..
My biggest fear would be that the boiler explodes
I agree. Use a strap never a cable or chain
Glad I'm not the only one thinking that!
Chains don't fly around when broke, they just drop
Trevor really is stronger than expected
For the children!
Close contest but steam seems to have won by the end. Diesel nicely trapped at 3:20.
I love how the diesel fans are getting upset that a tractor from the 1910's is almost pulling the county with 1 wheel drive and caked tires while the county is digging a hole going no where
Who it's upset??
Show us your Steam Engine powered Tractor!!😉
Probably don't even have a Car😂😂
@@mohikaan96Torque has the advantage and that's why steam is better. Out pulls diesel any day.
@mohikaan96 Yet the diesel lost and always has. UP Big Boy outpulls any modern diesel train. You can use all the math you want but it doesn't help the fact that steam pulls a higher amount of metric tons.
@mohikaan96 So you Google which is not a reliable form of info and have never been to the Union Pacific railway where the engineers will tell you otherwise? Typical Google PHD lol.
@mohikaan96 So you are completely unaware Wikipedia is not a reliable source as it can be edited by anyone. And this is made clear by college professors. I'll stick to what engineers actually say and not a random person with Wikipedia. 💀
I love both vehicles but the ol'steamer is just beautiful and such a warhorse even now! It's looking for '19 and' 20 challenges already! I'm talking 2119-2120!!!! As that machine will still be there!!!! Wow I love it! 😎👉🌀
Maximum torque, near zero rpm.
I've seen a few old steam engines ran on dyno's, 80-100hp steam engines making 3000+ ft/lb @ 0-250rpm...
almighty steam!
4x4 vs 2x4! The steam wins.
Two wheel drive stream with slicks and its a dead heat against for wheel drive with good tread. Quite surprising.
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Westren robloxia. If it didn't have the rubbers on and had its lugs on it could match a case
Steam power in this kind of matchup is pretty terrifying against a combustion engine.
The wieght of the steam tractor
When steam engines go against tractors they always make mincemeat of them and they make them dig a hole! Steam all the way for torque and raw power!
torque and power do not decide the outcome; traction does
@@michaelanderson7715 not necessarily, going by that logic if I had steps in the ground i could win tug of war with a car so, there is a good chunk leant to power
@@fortheemperorandkrieg4912 I'm referring to the content in front of your face; vehicles as shown here.
@@michaelanderson7715 it's all those things but ye if you have loads of power and no weight then ye no traction and you lose
@@mattlawton4715 it sometimes rains
No protection from that cable snapping? My father told me that when he was the vietnam war. His crew were trying to use 1 tank to pull another tank out of a mud pit. The cable snapped and cut a soilder in half.
@Ska boo the story itself may have been fake but the fact that steel cables and ropes snapping can slice people clean in half isn’t fake, and who are you to just decide this anecdote just isn’t true
I wouldn't doubt that it happened because that it sure could happen.
Or you watched Final destination…..straps can do that too that’s why you need a suitable size of cable/strap/chain or even a bar and then that won’t happen.
The only problem with the steam tractor, which can be seen in the last clip: it has an open diff
Some steam tractors do have differential locks. A wise old mechanic told me never engage the pin in the lock, cause it will take a hundred years more to get it out.
Although a steam engine can output full torque at zero speed, a steam engine has an obvious limit; the steam pressure times the piston area is the maximum rod force that can be generated.
Old is gold
I like modern medicine
torque verses bhp, i'll take torque every time!
Google.com its a tractor not a car.
rob allen bhp is only a calculated figure from torque (lb ft) and rpm anyway.
They aren't mutually exclusive. Bhp is the product of torque and angular velocity.
If you can't get the horsepower on the ground , it doesn't matter how big and fancy or how many bhp you have , you got nothing
@@comandermcgarrett7795 mans really expected a tractor to go 60 mph 😂
But the faffing about trying to get the steam engine to pull, the county would pull most things at any time, I’d pick the county any day of the week and it’d be half the price
Steam "traction" engine... That says it all right there.
Steam power is just simply awesome.
Suprising considering the steamer is not all wheel drive, even with weight differences, i never considered the steamer to have any chance... in its stead it said... hold my beer.
Less about weight, more about torque
Full torque At zero RPM. Nothing beats that
horsepower is how fast you hit a wall, torque is how far you take the wall.
Kap pa physics, do you do it?
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HAHAHA! THE OLD LADY CAN STILL PULL LIKE A BITC!
Wrong
No it's science
If that was a ploughing engine with the grousers fitted it would get some grip in that slick mud.
Yep, thought the same
Andrew Wilson exactly what I was thinking
First rule of motor racing: it isn't the power, it's how you get it to the ground!
gm16v149 so a 1hp engine with tank treads would beat a 300 hp engine with bike tires
gregistopal Haha i bet 1 hp couldnt even power a wheel on the ground!
tractor lad farming with proper gear ratio it would move 1 foot an hour
depends on who got the weight and gear ratio.
gregistopal why was lotus the most successful team in f1 history at one point despite first entering 8 years later than the big powerful ferraris.
amazing, keep in mind steam is dual acting there's pressure on both sides of the pistons
Just imagine a case 150 steam tractor doing this
Just tears the chain.
Witness the power of fire and water versus diesel. Steam could and should make a comeback these days given current fuel prices. Anything that burns is fuel essentially.
I just fall in love with steam engine let’s go back to steam
We have these every year in my town. Steam tractor show n pull.
I really like the steam one..
maybe this could be a good competition on concrete
Traction engines wreck concrete mang. Not built for that
The blue one needed more weight on the front and steam tractor was in need of gripp.
the second steamer was pretty tough but the ford did good too
I love the narrators tone
Steamer just dug in. Would love to see something like a McLaren road loco do this
Holy crap all that torque
marvellous
Very nice
Holy crap that wasn't even close
What nobody says here and what you MUST remember is that a steam engine will run backwards. So the steamer MUST be allowed to go forwards for a few seconds to accomplish this task.
rod builder Err, no. That's only if it has a slip eccentric valve gear, which is mainly a toy steam engine thing. Most full size engines have a manually controlled forward/reverse system.
However single cylinder engines do sometimes need to be spun to start as if the crank end is perfectly inline with the piston rod, called dead centre, the engine has no way to convert the pressure into rotation.
Twin cylinder engines have the cranks offset by 90 degrees to prevent this and are self starting.
rod builder difference?
rod builder
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@@DAKOTA56777 Some locomotives with 3 cylinders had the middle cylinder between the frames run with slip eccentric valve gear. The outside cylinders with cab reversible valve gear.
Steam smieth= STEAM, THE AGE OF STEAM IS UPON US >:D
has anyone ever made one of these traction engiens with 2 or 3 cylinders on these large scale 2 story beasts?
madz bush both the ones in the video have two cylinders but the first one had both connected to the same connecting rod.
Quite a fair fight, I believe steam won from weight and torque they are all beautiful machines I feel like tge ford had to be careful to not damage the steam as they're so old and beautiful
The old adage is how do you make a little money racing? You start with a lot of money. I think this applies to tug of war too! It looks like fun!
I like old tractor 🚜
Both tractors have wheel slip, which means neither the steam or diesel was able to fully use all of their available power.
Yeeeeeah Trevor!!
wow...good job...
The bloke stood so close to the towing cable has obviously never experienced a cable snap under pressure!! What a fool!
The steam traction engine.........lol!
GO STEAMIES!!!!!!!! WOOHOO
I love steam engines.
Nice video but the steamer is a little too small. Should be a 65 hp, like the Case or larger. That 150 hp Case seen on you tube will pull this gas tractor backwards without even straining. Check it out. It is like a locomotive without tracks.
I bet Fred dibnah ...smiling at that tug off war... i love steam engines helo from Ireland...
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great grandpa did well
Unreal
This was just for show. The operator of the Diesel was letting the steamer pull him backwards until the steamer got up enough rpm, before letting off his clutch. The strap was also hitched higher on the steamer, which would give it some advantage in traction, and take away some traction from the diesel. Bottom line; The steamer needed to be a little higher horsepower and weight. Hook the 110 Case steamer to the, probably 180 hp diesel, and it would probably pull the diesel all over the track, without much effort.
It's in the UK, we don't have this 'Case' your talking about
Hp doesn't matter when towing. It only does if you want something done quickly.
People don't understand what torque is it seems.
It's probably got more torque than that diesel and starting off at much lower rpm being only 6hp,
Here 6= almost 0 rpm x massive torque
It could line tow a battleship into dry dock, something steam engines used to be used for in the states at least.
Only has more flywheel torque however the little diesel gearing advantage results in wayyyyy more torque after gearing
Tesla Electric Tractor still not exist, maybe Steam Tractor vs John Deere Sesam next?
If that ol steamer was on dry ground it would easily over take that 4x4 Ford
2WD seam tractor vs 4WD modern tractor ... The modern has a major traction advantage. How about a 2WD modern tractor? Or don't they make those anymore?
Its 1wd
I don't think that they were designed for this.
It seems that the ridiculous (load) pulls the blue tractor's back down and front wheels up making 4wd useless. The traction engine probably doesn't spread it's weight as well.
Vince King the steam tractor is heveyer than the blue tractor which helps it pull the blue tractor with its high torqu and it is made out of steel all of it
Blue Foxy what the fuck is heveyer
The Ford County weighs 7 tons. 4 tons over the front axle & 3 tons over the rear axle. As you can see, it gets all the grip it is ever going to get, with all 4 wheels either spinning, or stopped & bogging the engine down. It also has 146 bhp, & 1000 ft/lbs of torque. It generates a measured 11,352 lbs of drawbar pull on test, or 5.16 metric tonnes of pull. Slightly less than the 100 bhp 1917 traction engine.. That's progress!
Tough old steam tractor
Got people arguing about the steam vs diesel tractor, I just wanna know who made that chain!
The modern tractor couldve won if it really came down to it. But had to take it easy cus shaking around and tipping a steam tractor like that can quickly lead to a boiler explosion.
Estou torçendo pro a vapor...
Full torque at any RPM versus modern diesel and 4WD, let's see who wins
EDIT: oh, a tie, didn't expect that
you should check another one
I'm entirely sure if there was a winner. All they did was move to feet and dig in.
That county beat that old steam engine
I think not
@@Tommy-pv1vh agreed
steam machines will never be weak in futures
horse power is torque times a speed rotation. One cannot have any horse power with zero torque. But one can have torque ( static like a torque wrench ) not producing horse power. 550 ft -lbs / sec. is one horse power. Some engine s motors such as electrical produce 100℅ torque at zero rpm. whilst gas diesel have a range of rpm often referred to as a "power band" a range of rpm where each engine produces maximum torque and horsepower. Steam has low rpm lugging ability.
The steam engine was 75hp the Ford tractor would 100-160hp so not bad, but they did put on a good non-realistic show
good
2 wheel drive VS 4 wheel drive and the traction engine still won, steam is unbeatable
check out the wheels though
Jeremy Mac boo
Cool 😎 steam is the best 😀👍
That chain must have been made from adamantium.
Steam ruled the world ar one time. It still does well....
Nuclear engines are just steam engines with extra steps
After another 100 years, steam tractor vs 🤣🤣🤣
Steam is fascinating
Steam Torque 💪
Clearly that diesal tractor has more tire to ground contact, they both seems equal in weight so steam wins
Steam powers is the best!😃
Agreed
My father always says horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and torque is how far you push the wall after hitting it
That's speed and momentum, not power and torque.
Traction engine: Rear wheel drive, really thin sidewalls/ tyres, 1 cylinder double acting engine. Tractor: All wheel drive, massive sidewalls/ tyres, 6 cylinder single acting engine, probably turbo charged too, i could hear it. Yet those traction engines beat it and or were at evens, Just imagine the capabilities if you designed one with modern technology it would be pretty awesome.
bullshit, traction decides it
I know this is an old post but... It would be so cool to see steam engines brought back to life with modern technology like the gas and diesel engines have! Just imagine having a boiler made from a lightweight super-heat conducting material with insulation in all the right areas to prevent inefficiencies. Imagine combining this boiler with pipes to a perfectly machined piston; built for efficiency it is strong and light weight and prevents steam leakage. Now do the same for the cylinders and add electronic oil pumps with their computer system. If you put this all together you will have the strongest, most practical, and modern steam engine of all time! it would be reliable and so much fun to operate with its simple yet elegant design, the steam engine would be a beautiful work of art. Now this would just be a start, imagine what could be done with a vision for the steam engines' advancement? What could a vision do!?
@@michaelanderson7715 Traction isn't really a problem for traction engines, The torque is really high in steam engines which is what would make them pretty good if they are redesigned.
@@natejimz I agree, I mean we do use steam to power things nowadays with the turbines in nuclear power plants that produce around 1mil horsepower. So imagine a vehicle design, you can heat the water with electricity generated by itself.
Steam has the torque advantage because it pushes the piston from both sides compared to a traditional combustion engine from which the fuel only pushes from one side.
who was win
You have to factor in the weight difference. Not a fair fight.
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