Twitch Streamers’ PC Company, Starforge, Reacts to Brutally Honest Review From Linus
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- Starforge Systems receives a critical review from Linus Tech Tips.
This video does NOT show the full review/feedback (positive & negative) Linus gave to Starforge Systems. Please watch the full video review on Linus's channel: • I didn't WANT to be me...
Backstory: Twitch Streamers created a gaming PC company (Starforge Systems) a few months ago, and the initial launch did not go very well.
Fast forward to today- Linus Tech Tips, a very well known PC reviewer on UA-cam, does a video review of their new PC.
The Owners (OTK Network) of Starforge Systems react to the review live on stream.
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Chapters:
0:00 Creators find out LLT reviewed their PC
0:28 Creators begin Linus Tech Tips video
1:08 Linus's thoughts on Twitch streamers starting a PC company
3:40 PC review begins
5:04 Linus finds a mistake
5:40 Grade of PC's cable management
6:13 Linus tries turning on the PC
6:54 P*nus rocket logo??
7:52 Linus finds another mistake
8:58 Linus's thoughts on Starforge joining the industry
10:13 Finally.. POSITIVE feedback
10:46 Price comparisons
11:50 Final judgement from Linus
12:32 Final thoughts/reactions from Starforge owners
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Linus was harsh but fair, and ultimately said the very young company was as good as any of the established players. He highlighted how Starforge had already fixed a bunch of issues and said that he was confident others were going to be resolved.
I reckon Starforge got orders after this review.
Exactly my thoughts. Not as harsh as other people made it out to be. A few mistakes were found, but overall, I think this can be beneficial for them. Linus holds a lot of respect.
edit: I removed the word "harsh" from the title. I personally think a few parts of the review were a bit harsh (but fair), but I don't think the review overall was harsh.
Where was the harsh? A couple of minor faults, couple of things he wasn't sure about then when he realised why a certain decision was made was either OK or praised them. I didn't hear anything harsh at all.
@@skechyassmofo Something like the LED issue with the usb drive was something he himself said it wouldn't affect the performance of the PC but shouldn't have happened in the first place. That was harsh but fair because he said if they're going to be a professional SI, embarrassing stuff like that can't be happening.
@@DailyStreamer It wasn't even that harsh at all?????????????????? It was more positive then negative really
News thou it did have good sales after this review cause starforge is currently out of stocked this moment.
It wasn't that harsh. It was realistic.
Yeah I mean it's your typical shit prebuilt. It's just not as shit as a lot of other prebuilds out there.
Linus was even nice to them since he could have tried to turn the pc on without checking the cpu power supply cord first and include the footage if it would happen to not boot, that would make it seem much worse. Instead he said that it would probably still boot like that when he really couldn't have been 100 percent sure. That proves that he made this video in good faith imo.
@@Dire_Hit pre builds have gotten way better than what they use to. I have a pre build bc I'm not into building a PC and my pre build is awesome and runs fantastic.. only 1,800 but it's great. I don't give a fuck about having everything brand new as soon as it comes out 😅. I don't have 5K laying around to spend on having a bit more FPS and fancy water cooling bullshit. I have 300 FPS on Valorant and 180-220 on DayZ 😅 those are my games.. if you need more FPS than that your probably shit at games anyways lmao
you don't have money laying around yet you purchased a pre-built which is LESS bang for your buck as compared to building it yourself. x to doubt
@@blackcraft3465 to be fair it's not about having higher than 180 fps, it's about having both that and having Max graphics on
Remember, companies pay consulting groups millions of dollars to do what Linus did for them. This is by far not only free advert but a free fix these things to win.
Plus it's coming from an experienced source that's pretty trustworthy, not just a random PR group. That alone means way more because you know a guy like Linus will scrutinize everything & go through with a fine-tooth comb to find even the tiniest of issues.
@@tomferguson9250 i would even say linus is THE thrustwrothyst person in the industrie ever, i mean lets be honest even a million dollar would not change his mind on any of that stuff because he LOVES computers and tech
@@dstarboi9965 100%. Sandy Munro's company comes to mind. (Munro Live on YT.) Decades in the auto and aviation and other industries; fell in love with Tesla engineering over the last few years. Automakers pay out the ass for their disassembly analyses.
@@Soniic95 Linus Jay Steve and Kyle and Paul only tech channels I trust for PC and other tech . Mrwhostheboss has the best fair phone reviews
@@Soniic95 exactly he has built a reputation on being honest and down the line with his reviews even giving bad reviews to company's who have sponsored a video for him to review even the laptop company he is a shareholder in he called them out on issues
I feel like Soda missed the point and value of the switches not being connected right. Most people who buy PC's aren't very knowledgeable when it comes to them. So whereas its easy for him to notice and fix mistakes. Its not easy for the average consumer. Those connections that weren't connected would have gone unnoticed in the common eye.
Yeah you are 100% right but I wonder if soda has any clue about pc himself. Nick is the tech guy
Yes, if you spend more money for a pre build it's because you can't do it yourself. Otherwise you DIY... so the extrat money is for putting the connector the right way.
Exactly. Something miniscule could be un-diagnosable to a computer noob and think the whole computer is ruined. Then they either try a refund of something perfectly fine and it leaves a bad rep for everyone. Or they take it to a PC Repair store and give the guy 60-100$ just to go through and look at it. Plus more time wasted and travelling with a PC is a no-no. It's just the little things.
imagine the 2 cpu connectors were slightly more pulled out just a teensy bit more than what they were, they'd get a cpu error on boot, complain when all that had to be done is the cable. There are legit customers so clueless that they refuse to look into it, and will ask for a fix asap.
@@frederichardy8844 Unless, your in the middle of a pandemic and you can't get a damn GPU.. lol So you buy a pre-built one. lmao
You know Linus has built a reputation for himself when every streamer is scared that Linus reacted to their company
He's the same guy who put an AMD cpu in an intel sponsored build. He's going to be impartial and honest.
this aged horribly
@@Kingofsouthlakenot that horribly
@@brucemohamed5316 hes been real "honest" lately
@@brucemohamed5316tbh, a year later and I agree. Not that horribly.
Linus was incredibly fair & honestly Starforge system came out fairly unscathed. Just look to his past “Secret Shopper” series to see how bad system integrators can actually fuck up. Ngl the vid from linus was just straight up free advice for asmon and starforge from a guy who's been part of that industry for god knows how many years.
Lmao Dell got completely destroyed in secret shopper
@@prismgames better than dell Award 🤣
Reminded me to rewatch secret shopper
Such awesome videos
It's a win for them either way. They basically got Linus doing QA and professional feedback for free
If they're smart they'll reach out to him, give him a beta build of a new one and have him go over it with a fine tooth comb.
@@Loukious will affect the genuine review and stuff. Linus is doing it out of his pocket money.
And free advertising
He wasnt harsh. He was accurate and careful. Everything we expect from LTT.
He was honest
yeah. i think the only stupid thing linus said in the past was saying "adblocking is piracy." but his tech reviews are fair
All except his grip strength
@@inoob26 Lmfao Linus can never get a grip when expensive things are in his hands.
@@DarthVader-rd5qh Not sure which video and what gpu was it but he almost drop a gpu like in some multiple videos........ My heart skip every time i see that.
The one with the logos, I laughed so hard at Asmon explaining for like 5mins and defending the logo his explanation is priceless XD
I laughed at that too, but brother, when he finally gave up and started going with the cock and balls I fucking lost it.
I agree with linus. It is a d/ck rocket😂😂
Yeah that was my favorite bit 😂 so funny
Cus when stuff like that you mean as a joke it's fine but when you don't actually mean it, it's not funny 😭
They could probably fix the logo issue with a very minor tweak, just break the outline at the bottom as they have at the top so that the 'hammer' is not merged into it, that way the 'balls' will look square rather than just the top semi-circle.
You know for as much flak as you can give streamers it is kinda refreshing that you get to see the heads and faces of the businesses actually TALK and react to criticism unlike majority of other businesses.
@Bingus true but with streamer "run" businesses, we can see those reactions to critique in real time.
Also not all investors listen but that's a nitpick. Successful businesses obviously need to adapt.
@Bingus Investors are interested in the costumers, but the people who run the companies can and do hide stuff from investors. In this case their roles are reversed, the investors are the public figure while the people that run the company are in the back.
@@bingus6282companies are supposed to listen to their customers, investors don't invest to take on that responsibility
Their primary business is twitch which relys on showing their face?
@@HadoukenHero uh yeah but that's the whole point? Majority of the most scummiest business owners do not often show their faces and use a spokesperson on their team instead. So they get off scot free in alot of situations.
The main thing I agree with Linus about that had a lot of pushback from the streamers is the plastic peels. Sure, leave the one on the glass. But the ones on the components inside? The type of person to buy a prebuilt isn't gonna be confident enough to open the PC and start grabbing at stuff off the rip. Peel the cooler and other stuff so the customer doesn't have to worry about it and heat/performance isn't affected
How do i cook salad
Although the customer will have to open the case because of the expanding phone, I agree with you that the peals should be removed beforehand. The customer is probably not going to notice small peals like that within the system.
Okay so this was the most well thought out and executed compilation of reacting streamers. The transitions, the sync the everything
Don't forget about the ending. 💀
Completely agree
Nothing harsh about it, linus giving fair criticism and streamers taking it like they should. Pretty much what should be expected from adults.
just sad that this isnt the norm anymore.
Not really they were kind of treating the whole thing as a joke to deflect the criticism. They were putting the positive things he said and the negative things way out of proportion. It's to be expected because they have the stakes in the success of the product but still. It feels like a get rich quick scheme using their fans and hoping they're not smart enough know they're just paying out the ass for the branding.
The peeling thing is fun yes, but remember, people buying pre built pcs typically don’t know what to do/what to keep on! So if they see something is on the pc, there’s a good chance they will not take that price off unless the instructions say so!
Asmo and company hate the poors.
@EyeofValor Gaming computers in general are tremendously expensive if you do pre built anyway my guy. The streamers even say that
@@EyeofValor Cant blame them considering theyve probably started poor or average, its fair to hate what you once were or have experienced
Its like a teacher grading your test paper, in front of the entire class/batch.
Basically everyone in this video was being honest and a class act.
Actually one of the best mashed reaction videos I've seen. Great editing.
bro this video is so well edited, i enjoy it so much! u did amazing
I was very sceptical about watching a multi react video, since every other just put fcs together in corners and leave it, but it was VERY well done.
Keep it going, this kind of content is gonna be hard to manage(strikes, claims etc.), but if you do it right, this is amazing.
Linus is never harsh. He's always realistic! He's the actual guru of PC reviews. The streamers reacted a lot better than I might've expected, too. They're acting like they're being reviewed by an expert, and holding themselves accountable for their losses as well as their wins.
true key to success. dont make excuses, admit there is a problem and fix it! that way you will keep the people who gave you a try the first time around instead of driving them to other distributors.
multi react videos are amazing, great job, keep them coming
This was edited together so well
To correct the cock-n-balls effect, all that would need to be done is put thin lines defining that the shaft is a hilt and thin lines to define the lower sack so that it stands out from the "arms" of the emblem, so that the sack can finally register in the human brain as Thor's hammer instead of Thor's balls. The neato aspect is that by doing that it will create a nice effect that makes the hammer seem like it is floating. Anyway, a simple fix advice from a digital artist. USS Cock-n-Balls has a nice ring to it though. 😂
props to all of them for not acting butthurt at the criticism and puns that were done on them and for admitting the mistakes pointed by Linus
One of them seemed pretty butthurt about how the companie was basically run by the twitch streamers. As that is correct. They are basically the board of directors.
sodapoppin was being a salty dog the whole time, hes always been a dog lol
Having a quality control person is probably the best thing they could do to address the quality issues.
I think the peeling thing is nice for some people. But really, majority of people buying a pre-built aren't gonna open the case up to peel the sticker thing off their CPU block. The vast majority of people buying a pre-built are gonna take it out of the box, plug it in, and go. That stuff should be removed by the SI regardless of how satisfying you think it is. The only exception would be stuff that is peelable on the exterior.
It might not matter. Heard a live streamer's BR team mate admit he never took the foam out of the tower in his first PC. Thus kept wondering why it would overheat.
So peeling that sticker off beforehand isn't going to help some people who 'take it out of the box, plug it in, and go'. Maybe a small 3x5 card of such things included might help.
I would say, leave the film on the glass since that's pretty straightforward as to why but the film on internal components probably should be peeled.
It’s amazing how much influence Linus has on this industry now, his word is gold when he praises you and you will get more sales but honestly if he was not satisfied with starforge I and manyyy others would probably turn to another company. And they now that, hence they had all of their owners react to it. And ofc this influence will grow soo much more now because of LTT Labs.
Something this video failed to portray is that Asmongold actually said during this stream that he would "talk to his people" to fix the issues that Linus brought up. So they seemed to have taken the feedback the way it was intended by Linus, and therefore can hopefully make better decisions in the future. Overall, great video, thank you!
ah yes nothing more reliable than a streamers word.
@@steelwitness Their reputation is their career, their career is their income, and their income is their shelter. They do not want to be associated with some rip-off prebuilt company. I’m sure he literally called some people probably the next day if not after stream.
@Roe_Jogan I don't think you picked up my sarcasm. Streamers are the most untrustworthy shills in the world lmao
@@steelwitness yeah I understood you. I don’t think you understood that you’re wrong. I don’t give a fuck about streamers, but the last thing those dudes want is some shady shit PC company constantly being brought up in their chats
@@steelwitness Since Asmon said that “COO runs the show but doesn’t make all decisions” I’m pretty sure the streamers have a stake in the company and so they do have a say when it comes to marketing, feedback, and suggestions improvements/ideas
can we take a moment to appreciate the editing here, they took the time to merge pov's and seperate them when the streamer paused to say something. amazing job!
Wow very impressed by basic video editing skills. Very impressive 🤣🤣
The plastic peel off is an important part of buying new stuff. I returned a guitar last year, because it was a re-box with no plastic (and no discount).
It's hard to impress Linus and first impression is all that matters. He is here to drops some advice for next generation PC build company.
I watched this reaction after watching Linus react to a hardware guy test his screwdriver against the competition. Seeing people get this stressed over having their products reviewed shows how much they care about them.
This is the first video I’ve seen of yours, the editing is absolutely amazing and you should be proud of yourself.
I laughed out loud when Linus said Starforge told him they believe Twitch Streamers will make their brand look more reliable. Thats the exact kind of streamer disillusion thats going to kill the company. I wouldnt trust 95% of those streamers to provide me with something as simple as a cup.
you must be delusional
Who?
Thank you making this mixed review and saving our time king
Perfect editing to capture the important parts of everyone’s opinions.
I’m glad they do acknowledge when something happens that shouldn’t. I will say, when I got my first pc (I’m not super knowledgeable but ik a lot more than when I had my first pc) I would’ve not know about the pins, and the other stuff being plugged in backward and probs would’ve spent hours trying to figure it out if tech support couldn’t help
I like this kind of video with reactions from multiple streamers edited together. One might not have enough interesting things to say, but 3 definitely will. Good idea and nice job.
Bro your edits were amazing and truly felt fluid throughout the transitions!! Good luck on future stuff really enjoyed it!
'It can also reflect poorly if they're involved in controversy ' well Linus that didnt age well 😂😂
I would just like to say, amazing job with the edit.
Linus is correct on a lot of the little things about this company and one of their top teir computers, this is also a great video on what they can do to improve the end user experience. He's also correct in that Asmon, Soda, Esfand, Emi and the others can have their reputations suffer as a result of something going wrong with a PC from their company. People will blame the public face(s) of the company, they don't care about the people in the back room building the PC they will blame the people who represent the company. Asmon, Esfand, Emi, Soda all have to make sure that when something goes wrong with the company they founded and represent that it gets addressed or both their reputation and that of their company will suffer. Better to address these small issues now and put policies in place to make sure they're shipping a quality product, which I believe they are, and Asmon and Esfand both seem to agree that these issues should and will be addressed. Free advice from Linus is great to have, he's been in the PC industry for a long while and knows his stuff, companies pay a lot of money for what they got for free.
They should blame the sponsors though. If you go out of your way to endorse a product you know damn well your reputation is on the line if it fails or succeeds. Would anyone endorse a product saying this product is great without thinking that that means people are listening to my opinion and if my opinion ends up being an extreme misrepresentation of the product that people won't trust me anymore. No one can be that naive.
You need to remember to include all power cables for your power supply. I would send the computer back if I didn’t get all of them.
You get the separate psu/mobo boxes with every extra cable. Some pre builders dont include the psu box but put all of the cables in the mobo box
I would LIKE if gamer nexus did his own review. Mfer is always a bit harsher then linus aha and both of them dislike prebuilt PCs but steve from gamer nexus hates them even more lol. Pretty sure he would thumbs up this prevuilt tho
That would be throwing them to the lions though.
notice none of them disagree with anything he said and all said they either knew it was a mistake or planned to make changes to ammend mistakes mentioned. that's incredibly good signs
3k and cables not even connected properly. That's unacceptable. If I'm paying 3k, the pc had better be in PERFECT condition
One of the things that matters most to be when buying anything is product support. People are going to mess up but if a company stands behind their product, then I can appreciate that and will usually still buy it.
Really good editing.
God i love this so much. The professionalism from both sides is amazing. Really respectable
My first thought when I heard about the plan to sell PC's was that they had some sort of evil scheme going on, because who in their right mind thinks this is a good idea otherwise.
This is the best edited stream compilation ever. Like a really a lot of effort went into this
barely video related but kudos for the CC on this video being actually legible and well done.
This video cuts out some of the critiques. Pretty biased.
1 minute and 30 seconds in and the editings got me chubbed gj editor.
Dude this is awesome content the way you have clipped in multiple streamers reacting to the same content. Is this method of editing sustainable? This seems like an extremely profitable format for "recap" style content.
Impressed.
I know this is 5 months old, but I got an Elite Pro Starforge and I couldn't be happier! It was pricey, but with everything being the latest specs. I'd pay it anyway. Highly recommend! Will update if anything pops up. But happy so far!
Sodapoppin: "We don't run it, are just marketing and promote it"
Asmondgold: "Linus reviewed starforge, my pc company"
Hopefully they actually picked up the "good" employees, because the problems Artesian had didn't exclusively stem from the dbag owner, incompetent employees played a big part as well. Based on how Starforge launched, I can only suspect some of the imposters wiggled their way in.
Harsh? More like good critism cause they might change what they are doing now just for the long term goals
Watching Asmond go off over the logo had me rolling the whole time.
the fact that Linus reviewed this and other companies pay a fat premium for a review. they really need to take advantage of this. stocks probably went through the roof!
You left out issue about not getting windows key with PC and OS being pre-configured.
Nicely edited!
The peeling the plastic thing I look at it on both sides. There's going to be the group that knows what to look for, some that do but may overlook due to excitement, and the group that's new that has no idea. Remember some of those components get hot. I'd agree with Linus on peeling probably peeling the internal parts but leave the plastics on the glass/Plexi glass doors and front to keep from scratching and damage and give that "satisfaction" of peeling something new.
LTT was great, honest, and true. This was an advertisement if anything. Well done will consider using your service. Keep growing and ironing out those little bugs.
nice video, very well put together
I actually think they have a bright future. Asmon isn’t a guy who cares for money and not satisfying his customers. I truly believe they’re trying their best they’re still in the beginning steps though so there’s bound to be mistakes along the path.
Yea as soon as I heard of starforge from this review and heard of the owners I have high hopes they do right by the customers
@@Smellyfupa eh idk man 😂
@@lilzeddy well its there face on the company id hope so lol
The video ruined the logo for me. I really used to see a hammer. I can barely see the hammer anymore.
@@semi6544 Even better cock and balls on your pc who wouldn’t want that
What's really unique is having owners stream their response to critique. That's actual accountability... 🤩
6:33 Soda's eyes "👀please"🤣
How did they react about the part where they didn't include all the modular power supply cables?
It's good that Linus was thorough while the company is ready to accept criticism and fix issues, which will go a long way in extending the lifespan of the company - happy customers are important
What kind of got skipped over was the dumpster part 😂 That part had me dying because Asmongold paused it at the wrong time and he thought Linus was throwing it in the trash
This is why you hire a professional logo designer. The good ones always check to see if the logo is phallic lol...
This video was really well edited, thank you for the great video and all the effort you put into it!
Damn so close I wanted them all to review each other reviewing each other reviewing Linus lol
Linus did this for them for FREE. These streamers knew it was good, but they didn't understand money can't even buy them this. Forget normally having to pay a lot for consultation cause that won't even buy them what Linus did.
If ur a pc manufacturer, DO NOT remove the peel off. it is the one thing i am paying alot of money for.
Thanks for the edit dude!
I have to say that the edit of the video is perfect gj
As an enthusiast and builder, I am def. with Linus on all his points about the hardware, as well as add a few of my own:
- Another 011D.....boring
- Agree with the PSU choice; If I'm spending $3500 USD on a system I'm expecting a like 1200w MINIMUM
- Connectors not being fully seated is no excuse
- THROW EXTRA CABLES AWAY??? Dude you obv know nothing about building PC's; you NEVER throw away extra cables, EVER
- "What does that mean?" Basically facepalmed....the diagram is literally right beside the header on how to plug the front I/O cables in
- The fans on the side as intake are necessary in this case as it's large and needs the fans to circulate all the hot air in that big of a case; no acrylic bullsh*t please
Get the ones building these some training and you guys will be good to go; just a few small things to fix. Def not garbage, just needs some TLC
Ok it was hilarious when Linus mentioned the bans, Asmon immediately goes on the defense and tells the viewers it was miz 💀💀
An honest critique along with honest reactions, gives me some comfort in the value of this brand.
Peeling stuff off is fine for the outside of a case but Everything that lives inside should be good to go out of the box with as little user interaction as possible.
The cable installer is going to get the Ban Hammer on monday eh!! haha
Isn't it obvious that Linus is deliberatly supportive and that they all reviewed the video and pr vetted it before going live to make their "reactions"?
DIY saves you money if you get parts that don't fail on Box Open, it's not as common but it was very common for a while to get DOA parts especially video cards and Mobo's, If you don't fry them yourself plugging it in backwards or not firmly enough and having an ARC fry you
I like that they admit and make the adjustments. I actually boight one recently
Its a hammer? I thought it was a rocket taken off?
Wasn't harsh review. It was fair and professional.
this is like a FFA board meeting
Wasn't Starforge the name of a game from years ago where the devs put it in early access then took the money and ran? I think I still have it in my Steam Library.
Yup
The fact that they recognize where they can improve means the company will do fine
Hoestly, all in all i think Linus was very fair and Starforge came out pretty good. Mostly nitpicks and human error, which is to be expected if something is assembled by a human. Also Asmon and the bunch took it pretty well and got some laughs out of it. This is wholesome content if i've ever seen some.
I agree, like if i had spent 3500 dollars and i KNEW that someone else had peeled the stickers off before it got to me, i would be kind of upset
It makes you wonder if OTK is just using Charlie for his likeness to help sell more PCs.
I don't know who that mexican pc building wrestler is bottom right, but he triggers all my "this guy knows tech" receptors for some reason I cannot explain. Like instant trustworthy. Dunno if it is a GamersNexus cross-reference thing going on or if it's his reactions to the "behind the scenes" parts. :D
@hungus chungus he's built a pc on stream with confidence
9:38
"but it's like 'it's run by twitch streamers, it's gonna fail' ".
absolutely NO WHERE in the video did linus say any failure was the fault of the twitch streamers involved in the company. if you're gonna react to a video, actually fucking listen to what the man says lmao. such a hardcore cope
Props to how these streamers acted. I’m sure we all know a handful who in the same position that would feel the need to get defensive for no reason at all.
The text-to-speech in the end was funny af xD
peeling the things off is fun but they are forgetting one major issue, you don't open your iPhone to peel off random plastics, you shouldn't have to open your pc to peel off random plastics either. If you do open ur pc then why not build it yourself at that point
You still have to open the case to take out the packing material...
@@LeonimuZ u hella right, I just did a major smooth brain. Although im still pro build ur own pc. If one has the skills to open the case then they have the skills to built one from scratch
Yeah... Peeling off stuff is nice, but all those should be marked really well. Inside and otside. I just peeled something off my TV 4 years after getting it.
Yeah, outside case peel is obvious to a buyer. Inside like that, it's going to be missed.
Inside the case if missed can be bad some of those parts get really hot. Most experienced PC owners may get it all some might be too excited and miss something. And new PC owners might not know and just fire it up after taking the packing out cuz they want to get going on their new system. Just looking at it on both sides.