Its worth it to me. Ive had cheap packs but I got a Kifaru and its the best piece if gear ive owned. But I do agree with you 100% that just go with what you can get. Ive not always been able to afford nice gear and ive made a ton of memories and wouldnt trade those for anything.
Just picked up my Mystery Ranch Terra Frame 65 in black yesterday. First new pack in 20 years. Previous was North Face 65L. Looking forward to using it!
I've been running the Mystery Ranch Ravine 50 for 5 or 6 years now and love it!! I use to use Osprey packs until trying out a Mystery Ranch daypack (Urban Assault). After using it for a month I changed my backpacking pack to the Ravine 50, and haven't looked back. Here recently I have been considering picking up the Terraframe 65.
There's one important difference you didn't really mention. Its the materials AND stitching. The fabric is probably twice the weight but will survive multiple scrapes and being put on rocks and rought terrain. The stitching on some of those light bags will probably tear under heavy load when you can least afford it to happen. A burst bag is the worst thing that can happen in the wilderness. If you're on your own on a multi-day trip in the wilderness, its a disaster. So if I'm on a longer trip and not in a rush, I'll take the heavier, more comfortable bag. It'll be a bag I can rely on.
I'm with you! I've seen bags burst and unfortunately it has also happened to me! Pretty tough to make the bag work until you can get it repaired. Durability is a pretty important feature!
I ended up using my $500 bag for rucking local hills with almost triple my backpacking gear weight since it is very robust and is made to take a heavy load. Meanwhile the actual bag I use for backpacking was on sale $120 and is significantly lighter, I was able to replace the waste strap with a combat belt and added molle dump pouches to move some of the weight of my water bottles and such forward and off my back, and it works pretty well.
I used to have a cheap bag, then I started doing some mountaineering and I had to carry more weight. I invested in an Osprey bag and it was a massive change, not only is it more durable but also the ergonomics and weight distribution made my 45lb heavy pack feel lighter than my previous one
i am 69 yr old just getting into hiking. limited amount of money. so I bought a used nearly new backpack a Teton Scout 3400 got it for $35 CAD and it seems like a good starter bag for me. IF I had $400 I would get Osprey brand.
Mystery Ranch all the way. They have packs that are more reasonably priced too. Good customer service and reliability. You're right about "use what you have" though. People can find bags second hand or during the rei sidewalk sale, or whatever it's called, or the rei outlet and the like. Lots of options to find a decent bag for cheap.
I bought the Bridger 65L back in May when it came out. I have a couple Osprey packs as well and recently bought a Gossemer Gear Maripossa 60 (purchased specifically for a couple trips this year but have not used). The Bridger is almost 2 times as heavy as the Osprey’s but actually carries lighter. I love it and the ton of features it has. I let a buddy carry it for a quarter mile who has a Gregory and immediately after he strapped it on he said “Holy crap this is comfortable, my next purchase for sure”
I have had some really bad packs such as a blaze orange external frame pack that used in Boy Scouts which had no hip belt until I added one as an accessory! The ALICE Pack system that I was issued in the Marine Corps! That system was a dog, and yet, I still may have one somewhere... 🤔 And, now I have a "tactical pack" which weighs 5.7 lbs empty and is about a 40 L pack, which isn't too bad and not too good either. Choosing a pack is a "mission specific" tool when taken into consideration. Duration of the trip, and what your load out will be. Now I'm an older hiker and looking for a specific type of pack that will handle tent, sleep system, food, and clothing... and oh yes a box of cartridge's for my handgun (a must for hiking in wild hog / bear country). Keeping it real and enjoying the trail... And I did enjoy the video- thanks.
Because if your past videos, I was turned onto Mystery Ranch. After trying on several different brands to compare, I went with the Mystery Ranch Sphinx 60. It’s a great pack! It carries weight really well Thanks so much for all of your informative videos! I’ve learned so much from them!
I'd love to try out some of the Mystery Ranch stuff, but I'm definitely limited to more budget-friendly options. That said, a better comparison (durability/features-wise) to the MR would probably be something like a Kelty Coyote. It isn't the lightest pack on the market, and I'm sure it isn't as comfortable as the MR pack, but it is comfortable and seems really durable for the price.
I have a Mystery Ranch Glacier 60. It is heavy, it was expensive. Do I use it? All the time. I can hold my 4 season tent, sleeping bag, inflatable pad, a small stove, toilet bag,lighting, etc. Despite my heavy bag that holds more weight than an ultra lightweight, it doesn't feel heavy because it fits me well.
I agree with your assessment! Durability, Comfort, Capacity are my three criteria for selecting a pack. Shelter and sleep systems will probably dictate its capacity. And as a Army Ranger veteran, I do prefer durability and natural, i.e. green colors. Do your research then buy once, cry once!
Interestingly enough, Marmot (K2) were the ones who bought the Dana Designs company back in the day, then killed it and incorporated the remains into the Marmot product line. Now look where they are now.
Great tutorial video for beginners. I purchased the ospry aether 70 With anti gravity Last year. And I love it. OK its more expensive but so worth it for functionality and comfort. Keep up the great vids 👍👍👍
I had a cheap € 100, - 70 + 30 backpack, army style. I am more a hiker/bushcrafter so I bring a lot of stuff, or find things I find along the way and then go into the backpack. But after 8 days with 26kg on your back I was broken.. I now have a Gregory Baltoro 95 pro. 4 times more expensive, but 100 times better. I now do the same round, only whistling with two fingers in my nose ..
Hy there, Doesn't just sound brutal, it is. 🤣😂 But then we only walk about 10km a day and then we set up camp. Gathering wood to build a fire and carving wood. Practicing and discussing Bushcraft techniques etc. And above all, have a lot of fun. 🔥🌲🐗
I'd love to go back packing with you but I live in UK😀. In the UK we don't generally call it back packing we refer to it as wild caming. A friend from the UK 😀
In Indonesia, there's lot of local brand with a great 50L++ backpack just for $50-100. It's really robust and can compete well enough with osprey and tnf in my experience. Lot better than $100 backpack u show in this video.
Hey there! I really like your videos and just subscribed. You’ve got some really great tips that have me excited for the next backpacking season. I have a question: I know you use a lot of marmot stuff and I just recently got the catalyst 3p, do you have one or do you have experience with one? There’s very little online for reviews and I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on it as I believe we have a similar style and interests with backpacking. I know you use the tungsten, how does it compare to that? Cheers, keep making this great content, I’m watching it and it’s helping me get through this pandemic!
I haven't used the Catalyst but it looks comparable to the Tungsten. I really like the Tungsten UL but the regular is pretty heavy in my opinion. But overall I've really liked Marmot's tents. I think you'll enjoy it.
IMO, the best choice is in the middle. There are many $200 - $300 bags that offer as good comfort and features as the $500 bag in this video. You don’t have to make such an extreme choice as a glorified sack or an ultra expensive bag.
There are SOOOO many incredible packs out there that WON'T BREAK YOUR BANK! You can get an 40-50L pack from amazing cottage company for $200 (and you don't need to be a UL backpacker).
13:30 I'm new to this stuff. But from the videos I watched, I understand that this "normal" backpacking is cheaper than "Minimalist ultralight backpacking". Ultralight backpackers are ready to spend so much more on equipment that weights a couple of grams less. Those ultralight bags themselves have minimal features, can cost 1000 $ are not durable at all, they are meant to use for one trip and it is not a defect only con on an ultralight backpack. I bought myself "Decathlon "trek 100 easyfit" 50 liter backpack, it was 58EUR or some 80$. Has 10-year warranty for that price. Have yet to test it out, but it had really good reviews on youtube. The backpack has an innovative strap adjustment system.
I'm not really an ultralight guy. Sure it's great when you can save weight. But I'm nowhere near as aggressive with saving weight than the thru-hiker types. Hopefully though, the Ultralight gear can also be durable, not just a one-time use thing. Often thru-hikers put gear through way more wear and tear than a week warrior. So I don't know what gear you're talking about that is done after one trip. But good for you finding a solid option under $100 bucks! Go use it and let me know what your thought are on it!
I got a pretty good deal on a Teton Sports 3400 for about $70. I needed to be able to get out to the woods but also keep food on the table for the kids too. Maybe during my empty nest years I can afford the Cadillac version.
I find most, if not all of what you said to be accurate. I find that getting the right fit with a backpack is somewhat difficult, and definitely not an exact science. For this reason I have gravitated to backpacks with adjustable length suspensions. The Gregory Stout 45, and the Kelty Redwing 50 have performed well for me so far. I am still looking at others that have more capacity, and adjustability, like perhaps the Gregory Stout 60, the Osprey Atmos 50, and other adjustable suspension backpacks that though larger, and heavier, are actually more comfortable, and less irritating, and tiring to wear, or carry. Any suggestions?
@@FallenTreeNation I just checked, a Gregory Baltoro 65, Large Size, weighs in at 5.14 pounds empty, and $300.00! My Gregory Stout 45, Large Size weighs in at 2.6 pounds empty, and I picked it up on sale for about $50.00. The question is, will a plus 5 pound backpack feel more comfortable, and be less noticeable to your hips, back and shoulders, than a backpack that weighs 2 pounds? I recently purchased a 2 pound, Gossamer Gear Mariposa 60, Large Size, which routinely receives 5 star ratings from most reviewers, yet I did not like the way it felt, as being a non adjustable pack, I could not dial in the right fit, and I felt that when loaded, I could not get the correct purchase on my waist and hips. The pack is also noisy, and squeaks, all the time. Despite following their fitting and sizing guide, I feel like the pack rides too low when loaded, which is irritating. It is better when carrying a lighter load, naturally. So maybe I need a medium size pack, or perhaps a different length hip belt to five me more purchase, or grip at the hips, but now I am stuck with the large size that I recently purchased. Anyway, because of the irritation, I used my adjustable Kelty Redwing 50 that weighs over 3 pounds ib my last backpacking adventure, and it worked fine, but still not at the comfort level I would like. What do you say about the plus 5 pound weight of the Gregory Baltoro? I was also considering the Osprey Atmos line, and again though heavy, seems to inexplicably carry loads more comfortably than packs that weigh half as much. Thanks!
@@msilverhammer First of all, getting a stout for $50 is great deal congrats! it seems like all the bags around the 65L size that will carry enough weight for me were around the same weight give or take half a pound. I was looking at the osprey atmos but found that while it was more comfortable on the shoulders the gregory baltoro was more comfortable for my hips which I thought was more important. Both bags are expensive, and the osprey doesn't include a rain cover. Honestly your best bet is to go to a outdoor supply store and try both on. Most good stores will properly fit you and put some weights in the bag so you can see how it feels.
I like the dialogue here. @Msilverhammer I find the bulkier, heavier packs invest in comfort and durability, two things I look for. But the specifics of each design will vary of course and some will work well for some body types and not be as nice for others. Trying stuff on in stores with as much weight as they'll put in there will help you make a good choice. But unfortunately, no in store situation can give you the same information as a twenty mile backpacking trip. I've been really happy with my Baltoro too, like what @fallenTreeNation said. I've had good success with Osprey too, typically very comfortable. But FYI I've had more zipper failures with them than any other pack.
Any backpack that gets you out into the woods is a good backpack, HOWEVER..., if you're going to pack for days & miles with a 3 day loadout, you need to make sure that you have something that will "not" fail and that will carry your load efficiently which leads to less of a chance of an injury. Balance is everything as is weight distribution, so yeah, a $300, $400, $500 pack is worth it for someone who's going to use it. In fact, these days, $200 packs are excellent and can be had for around $150 during sales. After $300, those are specialty packs for expedition grade rigs. But for someone who finds a love for backpacking, $100 is renting a bag. They'll end up with a pack costing 2-3X as much after a season. Having said that, I'd been EDCing a $20 military surplus ILBE Assault Pack for a decade. It's not thru-hiking comfortable, but it's bombproof. I use packs at least 100 days out of the year and under extreme duress conditions (hunting) and they see 80 degree days and they see sub-zero days. They see sun, they see rain, they see snow and they get maxed out weight-wise so I appreciate bags that last more than a month.
@@BackpackingTV Yeah man. I use the best that I can afford. The packs I've "invested" in have lasted me for years and are worth every penny. They aren't cheap, but they're cost less than replacing them every year.
Hi Eric, while I understand your comparison, the apples to pears comparison needs to be pointed out better. Explaining the Marmot with a computer sleeve against a heavy load carry is not a valid argument for a more expensive pack. Completely different purposes for each design. I like what your intent it, but almost feel like you need to have a "co-host" (different in each episode) to counter some of your arguments. Your defense to an opposite view will raise your credibility. This from a guy who still uses my 2000CI (notice the old volume measurement) EMS from the 1990s for some hikes, and wears Teva year-round for all my camping and hiking; all weather. Good work at promoting any "get outside" activity but don't forget Leave No Trace or better still, leave it better than you find it (take other's trash out with you).
Thanks for your feedback! I agree I could have done a better job with prefacing the differences. But yay for leave no trace! I take about that a lot across the platform.
But your choice is not only between a $100 and $500 backpack. Gregory, Osprey, etc all make solid, robust, and functional packs for prices in between with lifetime guarantees. This is not an either $100 or $500 discussion as you have framed it. You clearly like your $500 pack, but there are other less expensive options that have similar or, to some people’s mind, improved functionality.
Oh for sure. I should've framed it with all the options in between as yes, there are many wonderful packs in that middle price range. I just wanted to compare the extremes.
I just got the granite gear perimeter 50! I'm one of those lucky people who have wide hips and then also carry all their weight there, but I'm also short, so a lot of backpacks fit me really weird. It's so adjustable, and I've already used it for a weekend and love it so far!
Its worth it to me. Ive had cheap packs but I got a Kifaru and its the best piece if gear ive owned. But I do agree with you 100% that just go with what you can get. Ive not always been able to afford nice gear and ive made a ton of memories and wouldnt trade those for anything.
Just picked up my Mystery Ranch Terra Frame 65 in black yesterday. First new pack in 20 years. Previous was North Face 65L. Looking forward to using it!
I've been running the Mystery Ranch Ravine 50 for 5 or 6 years now and love it!! I use to use Osprey packs until trying out a Mystery Ranch daypack (Urban Assault). After using it for a month I changed my backpacking pack to the Ravine 50, and haven't looked back. Here recently I have been considering picking up the Terraframe 65.
Ravine 50 is a beast. I swear by Mystery Ranch to everyone, they are No. 1 in my opinion.
There's one important difference you didn't really mention. Its the materials AND stitching. The fabric is probably twice the weight but will survive multiple scrapes and being put on rocks and rought terrain. The stitching on some of those light bags will probably tear under heavy load when you can least afford it to happen. A burst bag is the worst thing that can happen in the wilderness. If you're on your own on a multi-day trip in the wilderness, its a disaster. So if I'm on a longer trip and not in a rush, I'll take the heavier, more comfortable bag. It'll be a bag I can rely on.
I'm with you! I've seen bags burst and unfortunately it has also happened to me! Pretty tough to make the bag work until you can get it repaired. Durability is a pretty important feature!
I bought a mystery ranch metcalf last spring and use it for anything from day hikes/hunts to multiple day pack trip. It is pretty versatile.
Versatile packs are the way to go!
Get your shelter and sleeping system sorted first. Then you will know how big a bag you will need.
That's a great tip!
I ended up using my $500 bag for rucking local hills with almost triple my backpacking gear weight since it is very robust and is made to take a heavy load. Meanwhile the actual bag I use for backpacking was on sale $120 and is significantly lighter, I was able to replace the waste strap with a combat belt and added molle dump pouches to move some of the weight of my water bottles and such forward and off my back, and it works pretty well.
I used to have a cheap bag, then I started doing some mountaineering and I had to carry more weight. I invested in an Osprey bag and it was a massive change, not only is it more durable but also the ergonomics and weight distribution made my 45lb heavy pack feel lighter than my previous one
I’ve been using a $35 pack for the last 250ish miles and I love it 😆
heck yeah! What did you get for $35? I want in!
i am 69 yr old just getting into hiking. limited amount of money. so I bought a used nearly new backpack a Teton Scout 3400 got it for $35 CAD and it seems like a good starter bag for me. IF I had $400 I would get Osprey brand.
Buying used is a great choice!
I'm an Osprey, REI kind of guy so I'm between the two.
Nice! In the middle is a great place to be.
Used to be rei but there a bunch of socialist.
Mystery Ranch all the way. They have packs that are more reasonably priced too. Good customer service and reliability. You're right about "use what you have" though. People can find bags second hand or during the rei sidewalk sale, or whatever it's called, or the rei outlet and the like. Lots of options to find a decent bag for cheap.
Second hand gear is underappreciated. I need to boost that more!
I picked up an Arcteryx Bora 70 at a garage sale for 15 bucks...not bad for a $400 pack..you do truly get what you pay for, except I got much more.
that's a score! I fully support going for used gear.
You just convinced me to buy the Mystery Ranch Terraframe 80. Thank you.
I bought the Bridger 65L back in May when it came out. I have a couple Osprey packs as well and recently bought a Gossemer Gear Maripossa 60 (purchased specifically for a couple trips this year but have not used). The Bridger is almost 2 times as heavy as the Osprey’s but actually carries lighter. I love it and the ton of features it has. I let a buddy carry it for a quarter mile who has a Gregory and immediately after he strapped it on he said “Holy crap this is comfortable, my next purchase for sure”
I have had some really bad packs such as a blaze orange external frame pack that used in Boy Scouts which had no hip belt until I added one as an accessory! The ALICE Pack system that I was issued in the Marine Corps! That system was a dog, and yet, I still may have one somewhere... 🤔 And, now I have a "tactical pack" which weighs 5.7 lbs empty and is about a 40 L pack, which isn't too bad and not too good either. Choosing a pack is a "mission specific" tool when taken into consideration. Duration of the trip, and what your load out will be.
Now I'm an older hiker and looking for a specific type of pack that will handle tent, sleep system, food, and clothing... and oh yes a box of cartridge's for my handgun (a must for hiking in wild hog / bear country). Keeping it real and enjoying the trail... And I did enjoy the video- thanks.
Because if your past videos, I was turned onto Mystery Ranch. After trying on several different brands to compare, I went with the Mystery Ranch Sphinx 60. It’s a great pack! It carries weight really well Thanks so much for all of your informative videos! I’ve learned so much from them!
Excellent choice! I'm glad you've found these videos helpful!
I'd love to try out some of the Mystery Ranch stuff, but I'm definitely limited to more budget-friendly options. That said, a better comparison (durability/features-wise) to the MR would probably be something like a Kelty Coyote. It isn't the lightest pack on the market, and I'm sure it isn't as comfortable as the MR pack, but it is comfortable and seems really durable for the price.
You can hunt down some good mystery ranch packs on ebay. I got a glacier 70+ for $100. It was used once and in perfect condition 👌
@@matthewthorpe5742 - Thanks for the heads up!
I have a Mystery Ranch Glacier 60. It is heavy, it was expensive. Do I use it? All the time. I can hold my 4 season tent, sleeping bag, inflatable pad, a small stove, toilet bag,lighting, etc. Despite my heavy bag that holds more weight than an ultra lightweight, it doesn't feel heavy because it fits me well.
that's the whole idea! Love it.
I agree with your assessment!
Durability, Comfort, Capacity are my three criteria for selecting a pack.
Shelter and sleep systems will probably dictate its capacity.
And as a Army Ranger veteran, I do prefer durability and natural, i.e. green colors.
Do your research then buy once, cry once!
buy once cry once. Classic!
Interestingly enough, Marmot (K2) were the ones who bought the Dana Designs company back in the day, then killed it and incorporated the remains into the Marmot product line. Now look where they are now.
Great tutorial video for beginners.
I purchased the ospry aether 70
With anti gravity
Last year. And I love it.
OK its more expensive but so worth it for functionality and comfort.
Keep up the great vids
👍👍👍
I had a cheap € 100, - 70 + 30 backpack, army style.
I am more a hiker/bushcrafter so I bring a lot of stuff, or find things I find along the way and then go into the backpack.
But after 8 days with 26kg on your back I was broken..
I now have a Gregory Baltoro 95 pro. 4 times more expensive, but 100 times better. I now do the same round, only whistling with two fingers in my nose ..
The Baltoro is a great pack. I've used mine heavily for years. But man, 8 days with 26kg sounds brutal!
Hy there,
Doesn't just sound brutal, it is. 🤣😂
But then we only walk about 10km a day and then we set up camp.
Gathering wood to build a fire and carving wood. Practicing and discussing Bushcraft techniques etc. And above all, have a lot of fun.
🔥🌲🐗
I'd love to go back packing with you but I live in UK😀.
In the UK we don't generally call it back packing we refer to it as wild caming.
A friend from the UK
😀
Informative, thank you! Quality bag FTW 🙌🏻 & amen to using whatever enables you to get outdoors!
thanks!
I'm looking at the Coulee 40 as my first MR pack and maybe later add the 3 zip 50 to replace my SMD fushion 50.
Sounds like a great choice! Coulee 40 is super solid.
In Indonesia, there's lot of local brand with a great 50L++ backpack just for $50-100. It's really robust and can compete well enough with osprey and tnf in my experience. Lot better than $100 backpack u show in this video.
You should have used a Mardingtop brand as your cheap brand. From what I've seen they seem to be delivering durable products for a very low price.
Hey there! I really like your videos and just subscribed. You’ve got some really great tips that have me excited for the next backpacking season. I have a question: I know you use a lot of marmot stuff and I just recently got the catalyst 3p, do you have one or do you have experience with one? There’s very little online for reviews and I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on it as I believe we have a similar style and interests with backpacking. I know you use the tungsten, how does it compare to that?
Cheers, keep making this great content, I’m watching it and it’s helping me get through this pandemic!
I haven't used the Catalyst but it looks comparable to the Tungsten. I really like the Tungsten UL but the regular is pretty heavy in my opinion. But overall I've really liked Marmot's tents. I think you'll enjoy it.
IMO, the best choice is in the middle. There are many $200 - $300 bags that offer as good comfort and features as the $500 bag in this video. You don’t have to make such an extreme choice as a glorified sack or an ultra expensive bag.
Oh for sure. I could have framed it better, of course there's middle ground. But this is all about comparing the two extremes.
Thanks for the video. Really enjoyed it. Bought a Atom Pack Mo recently but agree with the points you made in the video.
Right on!
There are SOOOO many incredible packs out there that WON'T BREAK YOUR BANK! You can get an 40-50L pack from amazing cottage company for $200 (and you don't need to be a UL backpacker).
Totally. I should've mentioned the middle ground. This was about comparing the extremes, not saying these are literally the only options in the world.
I've got a Kelty Redwing 50 (midway between the two) and I love it.
Excellent choice! Yeah balance is key.
13:30 I'm new to this stuff. But from the videos I watched, I understand that this "normal" backpacking is cheaper than "Minimalist ultralight backpacking". Ultralight backpackers are ready to spend so much more on equipment that weights a couple of grams less. Those ultralight bags themselves have minimal features, can cost 1000 $ are not durable at all, they are meant to use for one trip and it is not a defect only con on an ultralight backpack.
I bought myself "Decathlon "trek 100 easyfit" 50 liter backpack, it was 58EUR or some 80$. Has 10-year warranty for that price. Have yet to test it out, but it had really good reviews on youtube. The backpack has an innovative strap adjustment system.
I'm not really an ultralight guy. Sure it's great when you can save weight. But I'm nowhere near as aggressive with saving weight than the thru-hiker types. Hopefully though, the Ultralight gear can also be durable, not just a one-time use thing. Often thru-hikers put gear through way more wear and tear than a week warrior. So I don't know what gear you're talking about that is done after one trip. But good for you finding a solid option under $100 bucks! Go use it and let me know what your thought are on it!
I got a pretty good deal on a Teton Sports 3400 for about $70. I needed to be able to get out to the woods but also keep food on the table for the kids too.
Maybe during my empty nest years I can afford the Cadillac version.
sweet deal!
I find most, if not all of what you said to be accurate.
I find that getting the right fit with a backpack is somewhat difficult, and definitely not an exact science.
For this reason I have gravitated to backpacks with adjustable
length suspensions.
The Gregory Stout 45, and the Kelty Redwing 50 have performed well for me so far.
I am still looking at others that have more capacity, and adjustability, like perhaps the Gregory Stout 60, the Osprey Atmos 50, and other adjustable suspension backpacks that though larger, and heavier, are actually more comfortable, and less irritating, and tiring to wear, or carry.
Any suggestions?
Gregory baltoro. Love mine and I think you will too if you like your gregory
@@FallenTreeNation I just checked, a Gregory Baltoro 65, Large Size, weighs in at 5.14 pounds empty, and $300.00!
My Gregory Stout 45, Large Size weighs in at 2.6 pounds empty, and I picked it up on sale for about $50.00.
The question is, will a plus 5 pound backpack feel more comfortable, and be less noticeable to your hips, back and shoulders, than a backpack that weighs 2 pounds?
I recently purchased a 2 pound, Gossamer Gear Mariposa 60, Large Size, which routinely receives 5 star ratings from most reviewers, yet I did not like the way it felt, as being a non adjustable pack, I could not dial in the right fit, and I felt that when loaded, I could not get the correct purchase on my waist and hips.
The pack is also noisy, and squeaks, all the time.
Despite following their fitting and sizing guide, I feel like the pack rides too low when loaded, which is irritating.
It is better when carrying a lighter load, naturally.
So maybe I need a medium size pack, or perhaps a different length hip belt to five me more purchase, or grip at the hips, but now I am stuck with the large size that I recently purchased.
Anyway, because of the irritation, I used my adjustable Kelty Redwing 50 that weighs over 3 pounds ib my last backpacking adventure, and it worked fine, but still not at the comfort level I would like.
What do you say about the plus 5 pound weight of the Gregory Baltoro?
I was also considering the Osprey Atmos line, and again though heavy, seems to inexplicably carry loads more comfortably than packs that weigh half as much.
Thanks!
@@msilverhammer First of all, getting a stout for $50 is great deal congrats! it seems like all the bags around the 65L size that will carry enough weight for me were around the same weight give or take half a pound.
I was looking at the osprey atmos but found that while it was more comfortable on the shoulders the gregory baltoro was more comfortable for my hips which I thought was more important.
Both bags are expensive, and the osprey doesn't include a rain cover.
Honestly your best bet is to go to a outdoor supply store and try both on. Most good stores will properly fit you and put some weights in the bag so you can see how it feels.
@@FallenTreeNation Thanks!
I like the dialogue here. @Msilverhammer I find the bulkier, heavier packs invest in comfort and durability, two things I look for. But the specifics of each design will vary of course and some will work well for some body types and not be as nice for others. Trying stuff on in stores with as much weight as they'll put in there will help you make a good choice. But unfortunately, no in store situation can give you the same information as a twenty mile backpacking trip. I've been really happy with my Baltoro too, like what @fallenTreeNation said. I've had good success with Osprey too, typically very comfortable. But FYI I've had more zipper failures with them than any other pack.
Love this channel helps so much
Any backpack that gets you out into the woods is a good backpack, HOWEVER..., if you're going to pack for days & miles with a 3 day loadout, you need to make sure that you have something that will "not" fail and that will carry your load efficiently which leads to less of a chance of an injury. Balance is everything as is weight distribution, so yeah, a $300, $400, $500 pack is worth it for someone who's going to use it. In fact, these days, $200 packs are excellent and can be had for around $150 during sales. After $300, those are specialty packs for expedition grade rigs.
But for someone who finds a love for backpacking, $100 is renting a bag. They'll end up with a pack costing 2-3X as much after a season.
Having said that, I'd been EDCing a $20 military surplus ILBE Assault Pack for a decade. It's not thru-hiking comfortable, but it's bombproof.
I use packs at least 100 days out of the year and under extreme duress conditions (hunting) and they see 80 degree days and they see sub-zero days. They see sun, they see rain, they see snow and they get maxed out weight-wise so I appreciate bags that last more than a month.
You have the experience! Yeah I wasn't a bag that'll last! I've had cheap ones busy on me. No fun!
@@BackpackingTV Yeah man. I use the best that I can afford. The packs I've "invested" in have lasted me for years and are worth every penny. They aren't cheap, but they're cost less than replacing them every year.
Like it. Thank you.
Love this video!
Great information, thank you!!
Glad it was helpful!
I have an opportunity to get this for half off! I'm gonna do it
Buy nice or buy twice
Hi Eric,
while I understand your comparison, the apples to pears comparison needs to be pointed out better. Explaining the Marmot with a computer sleeve against a heavy load carry is not a valid argument for a more expensive pack. Completely different purposes for each design.
I like what your intent it, but almost feel like you need to have a "co-host" (different in each episode) to counter some of your arguments.
Your defense to an opposite view will raise your credibility.
This from a guy who still uses my 2000CI (notice the old volume measurement) EMS from the 1990s for some hikes, and wears Teva year-round for all my camping and hiking; all weather.
Good work at promoting any "get outside" activity but don't forget Leave No Trace or better still, leave it better than you find it (take other's trash out with you).
Thanks for your feedback! I agree I could have done a better job with prefacing the differences. But yay for leave no trace! I take about that a lot across the platform.
But your choice is not only between a $100 and $500 backpack. Gregory, Osprey, etc all make solid, robust, and functional packs for prices in between with lifetime guarantees. This is not an either $100 or $500 discussion as you have framed it. You clearly like your $500 pack, but there are other less expensive options that have similar or, to some people’s mind, improved functionality.
Its basically just an ad for his mystery ranch pack.
Me giving love to Mystery Ranch really bothered you eh?
Oh for sure. I should've framed it with all the options in between as yes, there are many wonderful packs in that middle price range. I just wanted to compare the extremes.
Forclaz 50ltr perfect rucksack
nice!
Here's to full toothbrushes!
Cheers!
show us all your backpacks👍👍🔥❤️
Oh man, there's like twenty at this point
I just got the granite gear perimeter 50! I'm one of those lucky people who have wide hips and then also carry all their weight there, but I'm also short, so a lot of backpacks fit me really weird. It's so adjustable, and I've already used it for a weekend and love it so far!
That's awesome! Glad you found a pack that works for you. That's magic.
they need to pitch this bag to the Department of Defense for Military Contracting 👀
Mystery Ranch have huge military contracts. Look on their website.
They already have that! That's why their gear is so durable.
👍😃
Sorry I mean wild camping.
Walk about? ( I think that's Australian). And in my understanding there's not much wild terrain since pretty much everything is private?
not give your Kid a hug! . . .ok fine
It's up to you.
Shouldve just called the video an ad for mystery ranch.
Titles not as catchy though.