Mr JC is a good analysist who's so objective and open minded. ngavadzoke mangwana. Papa Chiwenga i used ignore his teachings esp after ndaona vananaira church yangu but ndaitosarira. im learning a lot from this guy...i speak blessings upon his life. Zigoman, be blessed chief nemaprogram enyu aya tiri kudzidza bigtym
Mathew 23 vs 8 to 12 But you do not you be called rabbi, for one is you teacher and all of you are brothers . Moreover do not call father anyone on earth , for one is your Father, the heavenly one. Neither be called leaders, for your leader is one, the christ. But the greatest one among you must be your ministers. Whoever exalt himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Mathew 23 vs 8 to 12 But you do not you be called rabbi, for one is you teacher and all of you are brothers . Moreover do not call father anyone on earth , for one is your Father, the heavenly one. Neither be called leaders, for your leader is one, the christ. But the greatest one among you must be your ministers. Whoever exalt himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Jesus Christ have got one wife ,he does not have wives... Jesus have got no individual wives inside his wife the Church. When Jesus assigned his Disciples who letter became known as Apostles ...was he doing that as a polygamist ,Was he marrying his disciples individually.... That strange doctrine is an insult to the pure, One Husband and one wife Biblical doctrine of God. The same spirit of popery that entitles a human being as the Father of the Church is in these last days entitling human beings as an individual Wife of Jesus. How can an individual man be a wife to Jesus .....it sounds gayish. An individual man calling himself wife, marries himself to an individual Man (Jesus Christ) ...that's spiritual gay marrage.
I we Zigo chinonzi baba I seed Chino Wanda hushumiri hunoramba huchiunzwa na Mwari Saka seed inopiwa Mushumiri isho raacbparidzira vana vesangano kuti bare hururami righteousness
Apostle havadenhe mudhara ... He tells you the truth the hard way.. a small brain might not process or comprehend it but deep inside you know isure .. but bcoz of a defensive mechanism caused by how he says it (radically) most resist
Sara pavana ari mukadzi yoooo may u elucidate further zigo musara pavana ari mukadzi kuri kuchurch maya asi under traditional culture like in Zimbabwe... Reply 😊
Chiwenga is right about many churches we are doing it wrong , everything is wrong look at this verse Mathew 23 vs 8 to 12 But you do not you be called rabbi, for one is you teacher and all of you are brothers . Moreover do not call father anyone on earth , for one is your Father, the heavenly one. Neither be called leaders, for your leader is one, the christ. But the greatest one among you must be your ministers. Whoever exalt himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Numbers 12 : 8 With him I speak mouth to mouth [directly], Clearly and openly and not in riddles; And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses? -So zvekuzoti mai vedu ratova drama.Moses haana kumbonzi mai kana mbuya. -Iwe zvako mutema wekwa mupini wasvotoka unozviwanepi zvekuzozviita mai vasekuru vane 70 years varikutsvaga chiso chaMwari mukereke iwe une 43 years?
My brother's let me shed light in such issue; spiritual son anofananidzwa nemwana wako wawakabereka ukarera zvekuti anogara newe, anodya chikafu chako anopfeka mbatya dzauno mutengera, anodzidza kwauri mirairo mafambiro maitiro zvekuti ukavona mwana wavona baba. Asi kana mwana wekumwe akashanya akakwata akawana vo mukana wekurairwa hazvirevi ave mwana wangu. Kazhinji vose avo havasi ma spiritual sons, vana vo vokukwata. Semuyenzaniso vana vaigara naTBJoshua pamuzinda wake ayiva semudzidzisi kwavari vamwe voti spiritual father asi iye ayiti ndiri mentor, coach or teacher wenyu.
Zigo Mwari haazvidi.. full stop.. maverse aya akabuda kare imbotevera masermon apostle ekuma 2018 you will understand .. through verses.. zvana father izvi zvakatanga kunana 2010 uko its manipulation.. plus Mwari haazvidi.. ndeye ega Baba
Zigo is right kuti you are overplaying the aspect of fatherhood because there is no claim that the fatherhood supercedes the Fatherhood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Guys Zigo musadaro sitting to analyze nyaya dzaApostle Chiwenga ka Idrama ramurikuto deriva from a comedy Apostle Chiwenga is the same as Hosiah Chipanga they are both entertainers. But Basically we don't judge people in their categories of worshipping sects. We are supposed to preach to the world mark 16vs15. judgement is for God on the judgement day.
Guys forgive me for asking this because i am still new in this channel i might have missed this....Apostle chiwenga is called amai but in the bible explanation mother is a church...is he somwhow saying he himself is the church???
This is very difficult to answer and nyaya dzemaspiritual fathers dzinonetsa but vari kutorara zvee vnhu veZaoga wthout baba Guti zvakafanana mambo akafa panotiswa mumwe wemumhuri kuti afambise bsa Zaoga never going to die nokuti baba Guti is nomore iye aripo ngaabate bsa parakasirwa whether murume or mukadzi vakaoma kubwiro rakashama vakadzi saka iye ngaafambise bsa inherere nokuti baba Guti havapo but in spirit havasi nherera nokuti vari overcome nespirit yababa Guti iripo pavari
Chiwenga thought that ZAOGA will split and come to him uchafa ne bitterness ZAOGA haipere usanyepere vanhu nanga nanga neZAOGA ndokunamata hr uririkurwadziwa nei
All this spritual father stuff is nonsense. However, Talent Chiwenga is off-topic because their(Makandiwa & others) concept is regarded as spiritual, not physical. So tracing physical geneology is off-topic. Call no man your on earth, simple. It ends there. Zvese zvaa kutaura naTalent izvi zviri off-topic.
The RELATIONSHIP between/among BELIEVERS is SPIRITUAL, as a RESULT, language used matters and must always be used in the spiritual context!!! Therefore, God is the ONLY Father....You call your preachers, my pastor, my deacon, my evangelist, my teacher, my apostle and/or (my mother.....if comfortable...Philemon 1:12 ..."I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels: whom I would have retained with me" KJV,.keyword Bowels= a woman and childbirth....Galatians 4:19.."My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,..Key phrase="travail in birth"=woman giving birth..."..Therefore, there is nothing wrong in calling preachers "a mother" as their preaching to bring believers to Jesus Christ is likened to a woman giving birth a child!!
This man is Educated, Remember its Spiritual. How can u expect a link biologically when we are claiming spiritually? Its spiritual not biological father. So he is uneducated
Zvese izvi hazvina maturo ,tsvagai zvinoda Mwari ,mururame,there is only one father Our Lord Jesus Christ full stop .
Thanks very much Man of God
Mr JC is a good analysist who's so objective and open minded. ngavadzoke mangwana. Papa Chiwenga i used ignore his teachings esp after ndaona vananaira church yangu but ndaitosarira. im learning a lot from this guy...i speak blessings upon his life. Zigoman, be blessed chief nemaprogram enyu aya tiri kudzidza bigtym
Itirai Mwari zvakanaka musiye zvakaipa zvose. Kuva Mwana waMwari hakutsvage zvinhu zviri complicated zvatingaswere tichinetsana.
Ivai vatsvene muchidana. God is Love
Mr Zigo thank you for this interaction. Continue to bring Mr MJ to the studio, he explains things very very well.
Our father is God only. pq
YOU ARE THE BEST MAN .AM NOW DIRECTOR OF MY OWN COMPANY THROUGH YOUR CHANNEL ADVERTISEMENT
I like JC's analysis and knowledge of the bible.
Chiwenga u a the leader leading pple to heaven u need to be born again baba the devil is using u 🙏 siyana nemachrch evanhu do u devil things
Best preach in zim One chiwenga
Kutotaura zveZaoga kurwadziwa ikoko you made me to love zaoga because inokurwadza wena
😂😂😂😂 ukurwadziwa sure
Unaita pfungwa dzinodzidza zvisinei nekutizvabvepi,zvirikutoreva kuti hapana chaurikutonzwisisa please please usabve kuZaoga Asi uriko ikoko tsvaga chokwadi
Mathew 23 vs 8 to 12 But you do not you be called rabbi, for one is you teacher and all of you are brothers . Moreover do not call father anyone on earth , for one is your Father, the heavenly one. Neither be called leaders, for your leader is one, the christ. But the greatest one among you must be your ministers. Whoever exalt himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Chete Chiwenga murwere akazara ne,bitterness Chiwenga pachake akashaya munhu anomubatsira Arikuti vanhu ve,ZAOGA dzava nherera nokuti baba Guti vakashava hakuna kupenga kunodarika kwaChiwenga arikutungamirira vanhu kugehena
Mathew 23 vs 8 to 12 But you do not you be called rabbi, for one is you teacher and all of you are brothers . Moreover do not call father anyone on earth , for one is your Father, the heavenly one. Neither be called leaders, for your leader is one, the christ. But the greatest one among you must be your ministers. Whoever exalt himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Jesus Christ have got one wife ,he does not have wives...
Jesus have got no individual wives inside his wife the Church. When Jesus assigned his Disciples who letter became known as Apostles ...was he doing that as a polygamist ,Was he marrying his disciples individually....
That strange doctrine is an insult to the pure, One Husband and one wife Biblical doctrine of God.
The same spirit of popery that entitles a human being as the Father of the Church is in these last days entitling human beings as an individual Wife of Jesus.
How can an individual man be a wife to Jesus .....it sounds gayish. An individual man calling himself wife, marries himself to an individual Man (Jesus Christ) ...that's spiritual gay marrage.
your guest has open mind
Ku JRM anonzi amai havasi Apostle Chiwenga vega even ma pastors vese ndaana amai. Amai munhu anoyamwisa vana mukaka unove shoko
Inin kana ndichitsva iboe ...Apostle chiwenga kumberi
I we Zigo chinonzi baba I seed
Chino Wanda hushumiri hunoramba huchiunzwa na Mwari
Saka seed inopiwa Mushumiri isho raacbparidzira vana vesangano kuti bare hururami righteousness
JC akadhakwa neheresy yaChiwengwa
Paul refers to Timothy as "his true son in faith "..1 Cor 4:15 "I became your father through the gospel . "Samuel addresses Eli as his father
For the very first time Zigo waunzaunzawo munhu ane pfungwa dzisina kubhenda, haikona manhingikiri awunombounza aye. Uyu is balanced and we'll sudied
Apostle havadenhe mudhara ... He tells you the truth the hard way.. a small brain might not process or comprehend it but deep inside you know isure .. but bcoz of a defensive mechanism caused by how he says it (radically) most resist
Saka Mushumiri Ndi Amai anotakura m imba ye Shoko, Shoko rinobara righteousness (hururami)
Hatisi nherera tina baba joe
ur guest is super smart 🔥🔥🔥 kwete dzimwe nhingi dzinombouya
Exactly
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Sure vatoita sevachanamata mdharaguti may herest in peace❤
Love this interaction 😊
Us too!
You were holding back on Zigo mkoma JC.😂
You had more to say but you didn't want to totally destroy him because you are polite.😅
Good to see you back Jethro
Mr JC ngavagare varipo paZig tv apo vane uchenjeri
Saka mumagwaro arimo here aichoropodza nokutuka vamwe kudaro..sezvaanoita iye
Mbuya doctrine ,spiritual mother mai musanyepera nyika
Kumhunga kune ipwa and ukawana ipwa yemumhunga inonaka zvekuti dhuuu. Saka dziriko, you just have to be lucky to come across one 😂😂😂😂
A level- headed discussion with no emotions
1 Vakorinde 3 (SHO)
1 Ini, hama dzangu, ndakanga ndisingagoni kutaura nemi sokunavoMweya, asi sokunavenyama, sokunavacheche munaKristu.
2 Ndakakupai mukaka mumwe, handina kukupai zvokudya; nokuti makanga musingagoni kudya, nazvino hamugoni.
Amai ndovanoyamwisa iko kuyamwisa shoko
Àaàaaaàa
@@evelynmutami8629 madii
Vanity, Vanity, all is Vanity, hakuna Apostle vakadai mudhikoni uyo nyaya dzaanotaura dzomuremera
Nherera dzaGuti dzacho dzinenge dzabaiwa nei, uye takambonzwa here vanhu vachivhunza vana vafirwa kuti tokubatai maoko here or tokubatsirai nei? Uku kupenga uku
Chiwenga is right. He knows the bible. However must regulate language yake.
Jethro thanks for the collabo
Uyu ngaadzoke uyu very open minded and versed with scripture at least his comments are backed by scriptural evidence
Zigo continue on this path u are good apa.(Ndo pane calling yakho) plz don't deviate to politics for u ve failed in that aspect.
Bring JC again please
Ini hangu kutaura chokwadi Chiwenga haandibhohwe
But kamukadzi ako vomit kanondisvota kanongopwipwinyika kunge kanokwirwa nachiwenga🤢 🤮🤮
Ndakazvitaura pano nezuro vana va Amai Chiwenga vakandivinga
Zvinokubata papi zvekupwipwinyika kwake
Tendeukai bhudhi
Kutopwipwikinyika uko ndokwatinotoda, inga shoko riri kufamba wani iwe urikudei
Chiwenga haana kana munhu waanotenda kana Mwari wacho haatomutendi ndafara zvangu nekuti ZAOGA inomubaya mwoyo takasiirwa soko raMwari nababa vedu Baba Guti usarwadziwa nesu kuti upore chironda chiri pamwoyo wako
Sara pavana ari mukadzi yoooo may u elucidate further zigo musara pavana ari mukadzi kuri kuchurch maya asi under traditional culture like in Zimbabwe... Reply 😊
Chiwenga is right about many churches we are doing it wrong , everything is wrong look at this verse Mathew 23 vs 8 to 12 But you do not you be called rabbi, for one is you teacher and all of you are brothers . Moreover do not call father anyone on earth , for one is your Father, the heavenly one. Neither be called leaders, for your leader is one, the christ. But the greatest one among you must be your ministers. Whoever exalt himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Watanga mupengo uya mwedzi mutete ummmmm
Kusakwana ,tinaye Mwari tina baba va du JOE GUTI.
ZIVA ZVEKUPARIDZA JESO SIYANA NESU.
Ndeip Zigo the best
Mese na Apostle makabva ku Zaoga 😂😂
Ngaadzoke anogona
Zaoga vanhu veko havana kunyatsokwana
Hanzi baba vangu igudo sekuru wangu itsoko baba vababa vangu imhembwe kkkkk umm zviriko hre...
This guy should come back he is good
Tina Mwari mupenyu arikurarama matiri takapihwa nzira yazvokwadi.
Tina Baba Joe haiperi.
Numbers 12 : 8
With him I speak mouth to mouth [directly], Clearly and openly and not in riddles; And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses?
-So zvekuzoti mai vedu ratova drama.Moses haana kumbonzi mai kana mbuya.
-Iwe zvako mutema wekwa mupini wasvotoka unozviwanepi zvekuzozviita mai vasekuru vane 70 years varikutsvaga chiso chaMwari mukereke iwe une 43 years?
inhoroondo dzezvinyawu idzo kuti Makandiwa ndibaba vese na Buateng zvinyawu zvikuru
My brother's let me shed light in such issue; spiritual son anofananidzwa nemwana wako wawakabereka ukarera zvekuti anogara newe, anodya chikafu chako anopfeka mbatya dzauno mutengera, anodzidza kwauri mirairo mafambiro maitiro zvekuti ukavona mwana wavona baba. Asi kana mwana wekumwe akashanya akakwata akawana vo mukana wekurairwa hazvirevi ave mwana wangu. Kazhinji vose avo havasi ma spiritual sons, vana vo vokukwata. Semuyenzaniso vana vaigara naTBJoshua pamuzinda wake ayiva semudzidzisi kwavari vamwe voti spiritual father asi iye ayiti ndiri mentor, coach or teacher wenyu.
Kunzwa munonzwa Asi hamunzwisisi
Bring that guy back
JC NGAADZOKE MAGONA APA
1 Corinthians 4-15 inoti kudiiko Chiwenga kusangodawo kunyarara uko
Shuwa 🎉🎉🎉
Zigo Mwari haazvidi.. full stop.. maverse aya akabuda kare imbotevera masermon apostle ekuma 2018 you will understand .. through verses.. zvana father izvi zvakatanga kunana 2010 uko its manipulation.. plus Mwari haazvidi.. ndeye ega Baba
Zigo imbozotaurai zvenhaka naJC uyo kkk zvakataurwa naApostle timbonzwa hedu kti anozvionawo sei
Zigo chibvuma kudzidza kana waitoti Father imhosva huru huru kwazvo kunaMwari hakuna something else xaa kune order
If no one physical can assume fatherhood on the church, so is motherhood. This Talent Chiwenga mother thing is complete nonsense.
But it's been referred from the spiritual sense, so you're mixing things here
Zigo is right kuti you are overplaying the aspect of fatherhood because there is no claim that the fatherhood supercedes the Fatherhood of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I feel sorry for those who follow chiwenga. He is lost
kana zaoga members vaa nherera because baba guti passed on,
does this chiwenga guy mean kuti paachazofawo ma church members ake dzinenge dzaa nherera?
Kua kwaamai haisi nyaya asi kwababa
INI NDAKUDAO KUMBOUYAO NDICHICOMMENT ZIGO DAKUUYAO BUT ZUVA RACHO UYO ANOFANIRA KUVAO ARIPO ACHITAURA NEZVEKUCHURCH KWAKE MOPLAYER IYE YAISHORWA VANHUKADZI ...
Hawana kukwana chiwenga mukadzi ere isu tichinzi nebhaibheri tiri mitezo yemuviri vake
Spiritual
1 Corinthians 4 vs 15
Like Paul like Timothy etc
Joe isara pavana nekuti church ndeya Jesus Christ.
Kwete kuti hama yoita take over
It's busnes center
Church kana iri yaJesu anosarudza ega vaanoda kushandirwa navo kwete zvekugashidzana kunge nhaka
Haaa takagara tazviudzwa izvo kt vnh vachataura bt nevermind
Guys Zigo musadaro sitting to analyze nyaya dzaApostle Chiwenga ka Idrama ramurikuto deriva from a comedy Apostle Chiwenga is the same as Hosiah Chipanga they are both entertainers. But Basically we don't judge people in their categories of worshipping sects. We are supposed to preach to the world mark 16vs15. judgement is for God on the judgement day.
You are missing the point Mr
Sara pavana pachishona haiiti munhu kadzi inhema.. anoita munhu wemurume hakuna zvakadaro chivanhu chipi ichocho
u are back in zim sure poor lighting
Zvinhu zvemweya zvinotomunetsawo chiwenga,haana chaanoziva uyu
sure zvainamata guti izv
Guys forgive me for asking this because i am still new in this channel i might have missed this....Apostle chiwenga is called amai but in the bible explanation mother is a church...is he somwhow saying he himself is the church???
The bible refered the apostle Paul as the mother ... The church is a wife .. not a mother a wife... You speak like a novice
@ beast i had misunderstood the sequence of his teaching or the explanation ts self between the 2 ....thanx for the correction
@@beast6423can you provide the scripture pls.
😅😅😅😅 Jethro haachadi zaoga
Matthew 23:9
Motherhood of TF Chiwenga is unscriptural
This is very difficult to answer and nyaya dzemaspiritual fathers dzinonetsa but vari kutorara zvee vnhu veZaoga wthout baba Guti zvakafanana mambo akafa panotiswa mumwe wemumhuri kuti afambise bsa Zaoga never going to die nokuti baba Guti is nomore iye aripo ngaabate bsa parakasirwa whether murume or mukadzi vakaoma kubwiro rakashama vakadzi saka iye ngaafambise bsa inherere nokuti baba Guti havapo but in spirit havasi nherera nokuti vari overcome nespirit yababa Guti iripo pavari
Uri kuti Mwari vanofa here iwe or uri kuti vanhu vekuzaoga vanonamata guti saMwari vavo
Spirit yababa Guti futi😮😮😮😮
Ndoona zvangu sekuti mose makarasika kkkkk. Sange uyo akabva ku zaoga uyo, akabva mukurasika akapinda mukudzungaira kkkkk ah veduweee ibasa chairo. Religion and doctrines are culprits panyika pano
Zigo is after money
Chiwenga thought that ZAOGA will split and come to him uchafa ne bitterness ZAOGA haipere usanyepere vanhu nanga nanga neZAOGA ndokunamata hr uririkurwadziwa nei
This so called apostle Chiwenga was raised from Zaoga now Zaoga is becoming an enemy
Zaoga yakaroya vakawanda asi Mwari akavadzikunura 😊😊
It is very bad to mock zaoga followers on their loss, no matter how you disagree with them, it's inhumane
Dankie....Akanga Abarwa Nani ? Kkkkkkkkkkk😂😂😂😂😂
GUYS MUNHU NGAITE ZVEKUCHURCH KWAKE WHO IS HE TO JUDGE VANHU VANEZVITENDERO ZVAVO ,UYO AKANZI NAHOWARD NYONI HUYA TITAURE MAGWARO IYE AKADII,AKANZI NAMAPONGA HUYA ZVAKARE AKARAMBA SAKA INI NDINOTI NGAAGARE NEZVANOTENDA KWAKE NEVANHU VAKE KWETE KUDA KUTAURA VAMWE
Madungwe is better
1 Timothy 1:18
All this spritual father stuff is nonsense. However, Talent Chiwenga is off-topic because their(Makandiwa & others) concept is regarded as spiritual, not physical. So tracing physical geneology is off-topic.
Call no man your on earth, simple. It ends there. Zvese zvaa kutaura naTalent izvi zviri off-topic.
kkkk une pfungwa dzoshanda wangu
The RELATIONSHIP between/among BELIEVERS is SPIRITUAL, as a RESULT, language used matters and must always be used in the spiritual context!!! Therefore, God is the ONLY Father....You call your preachers, my pastor, my deacon, my evangelist, my teacher, my apostle and/or (my mother.....if comfortable...Philemon 1:12 ..."I have sent again: thou therefore receive him, that is, mine own bowels: whom I would have retained with me" KJV,.keyword Bowels= a woman and childbirth....Galatians 4:19.."My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,..Key phrase="travail in birth"=woman giving birth..."..Therefore, there is nothing wrong in calling preachers "a mother" as their preaching to bring believers to Jesus Christ is likened to a woman giving birth a child!!
Akatiza achienda kupi Chiwenga
This man is Educated, Remember its Spiritual. How can u expect a link biologically when we are claiming spiritually? Its spiritual not biological father. So he is uneducated
Nhaiwe shamwari, saka apostle haana here dual identity of being the wife of Christ and being a child?
Garo rakoo to hell iwewe urimbwa paridza zvekuchurch kwako
Actually there is no justification yehuspiritual fatherhood 😂😂 kurasika apa fullstop😂
Ndo munhu wekuunza uyu not Kundai Chitima ane musoro wakatozara zvawo mvura.
Zaoga chiwororo muchapenga
Jctv that's heresy
Thus not the spirit of God speaking through chiwenga. Why is it he is always attacking other men of God
Uchinda wako zigo uyo arambe achiuya akaipa na tinashe but tinashe anowanza kuseka neku smaila
absolutely nonsense. tsvaga Mwari iwe, utye Mwari.
Uyu muface uyu ahako tomunzwira tsitsi coz akatorasika kare
Zigo rava Jacob 1 vs 18