How-To 220v/240v 4 Prong to a 3 Prong Outlet for a Welder & Test Voltages w/Multimeter! 4K HD

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  • @KevinCoop1
    @KevinCoop1 Рік тому +9

    I’m a retired Electrical Design Engineer that worked for contractors for 35 years. I’ve read the comments that were made. This is my comment. This video, other than a few very minor terminology words, has one very minor statement error. This video shows correctly doing the task and is 100% NEC compliant. The only incorrect statement was, “the wire is larger because it is 240 volt”. Conductor insulation is based on voltage. Conductor size is based on amperes. It must be able to carry required amps at temperature lower than the insulation starts to degrade.
    Very well done Sir! Respectfully, Kevin

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for the kind words and knowledge! :)

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому +1

      I previously, while in the Navy, worked on electronics... troubleshoot and repaired multi-layered circuit boards from various aircraft systems (ie, FA-18, F-14s, EA6B, etc) but never worked as an "electrician" on things like home wiring and what not so always learning :)

    • @KevinCoop1
      @KevinCoop1 Рік тому +2

      @@D3RPZILLA Two different worlds with one thing in common. Moving electrons. Any questions, ask.

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому +1

      @@KevinCoop1 thank you 🙏

  • @rockyesterline7942
    @rockyesterline7942 Місяць тому +1

    The stranded wires I have never seen on a house before!!! Only cars

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Місяць тому

      It's not super unusual... stranded wire is more flexible which is nice for thicker wire and such.

  • @wanesweb
    @wanesweb Рік тому +2

    Thank you brother well done I have the same Exact issue and the same welder I will like in subscribe thanks for your effort I hope you're doing some stuff on the welder too be blessed

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому

      Thank you! I've done a few small projects with the welder but am still learning :D To many things to learn and do and to little time! haha.

    • @ArnoldStafford
      @ArnoldStafford 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@D3RPZILLA9th

  • @travisbendele3145
    @travisbendele3145 Рік тому +6

    Thank you very much. That is very helpful.

  • @EMF_D
    @EMF_D 24 дні тому +1

    Appreciate this video simplifies everything. Question for you would it be best to just remove the neutral from the breaker box completely? It’s 60a 240 volt double pole breaker I ran 4/6 gauge wire because I thought 4 was needed I see you just cut it but it kinda makes me nervous tbh.. thank you 🙏🏻

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  21 день тому

      Heya! I wouldn't remove the neutral wire completely as you may need it down the road at some point.

    • @EMF_D
      @EMF_D 21 день тому +1

      @@D3RPZILLA Ok, what I did was just capped it off and put a 3 prong plug on which j then plugged into my machine. It seems to work perfectly. But is this safe?

  • @rickylee2477
    @rickylee2477 Рік тому +4

    I’ve only seen a solid wire like that used to ground the metal box or metal cover . I’ve never seen one run directly to a receptacle.

  • @rockyesterline7942
    @rockyesterline7942 Місяць тому +1

    Is the red wire, just another black hot wire.Because mine has 2 black wires, a ground and a neutral.But I am wiring two hot black wires and a ground only for my 220 and cap off my neutral

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Місяць тому

      Did you measure the wires? Can see what kind of voltage is on each wire to confirm 100% (carefully, make sure no wires will touch metal or each other). It sounds like both blacks should be hot and 110v/120v each, white is neutral, and the bare is ground. But yes, it's usually red, hot, black, hot, white, neutral, bare, ground.

    • @rockyesterline7942
      @rockyesterline7942 Місяць тому

      @D3RPZILLA My 220 Lincoln Ark Wilder. Extension cord is wired two black wires and Ground. And neutral is not connected. It's always work fine. I bought another house this one. Outside were the jacuzzi used to be Has two blacks neutral and ground So I will just leave the neutral disconnected and should be fine?

    • @rockyesterline7942
      @rockyesterline7942 Місяць тому +1

      It all worked on my other house But what's confusing !is people are saying hook up your Neutral ,wire to your groundwire? Also, and I left out the neutral wire altogether and it works fine. Only connecting my two blacks and ground!

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Місяць тому

      @@rockyesterline7942 yeah, that sounds right. You would only hook up the neutral wire if you were going with the 4 prong setup.

  • @justinwilkens1620
    @justinwilkens1620 3 дні тому +1

    Thanks dude!

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  3 дні тому

      @@justinwilkens1620 no problem!

  • @Derpherppington
    @Derpherppington 7 місяців тому +1

    I got the same problem with titanium 170 but I need to use the dryer too. Is it possible to brand it so u can have two different outlets. But 120v is more than enough for me it’s blow thru 1/8” thick materials like nothing

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  7 місяців тому +1

      Heya! I'd suggest picking up an adapter cable perhaps. Will you be using the dryer more often or the welder? If planning to use the dryer the most you could go with something like a dryer outlet 14-30 to a welder outlet 6-50 adapter (such as something like this, amzn.to/3T0A0GE). So, you would keep your dryer outlet, use the dryer as usual, and when you want to run the welder, unplug the dryer, plug in the adapter, and then plug in the welder. You would of course want to make sure not to exceed outlet or breaker amp rating.

  • @equisequis.55
    @equisequis.55 2 роки тому +3

    thanks for the verification. i just want to make sure that the neutral wire is not used for my welder. i kinda knew that, but just wanted to verify that. Thanks for posting.

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 роки тому +1

      I run my welder off the plug exactly how I configured it in the video and it runs great :)

  • @Marketman85
    @Marketman85 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for the video I appreciate it. I have never seen a breaker box outside for a house

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 місяці тому +1

      @scootermanadventures1810 haha no problem. All of the main breakers here are outside and then the main sub panel with all the various home breakers is inside the garage.

  • @wanesweb
    @wanesweb Рік тому +1

    A very disappointed brother you didn't make your straight slots straight lol

  • @graymatters6155
    @graymatters6155 Рік тому +1

    Why on gods green earth is your breaker box outside?

  • @johngreene8635
    @johngreene8635 11 місяців тому +1

    Awesome video, exactly the circuit configuration I need, 220 VAC four wires to three wires. I am up and running, thank you very much!!

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  11 місяців тому

      Nice!! Glad it helped! :)

  • @ianmccabe9020
    @ianmccabe9020 8 місяців тому +1

    We all live the same lives, same thing im doing with the same exact welder😂

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  8 місяців тому

      Haha! Nice, lol. Sadly I've had so little time I've only used the welder a handful of times lol.

  • @graymatters6155
    @graymatters6155 Рік тому +1

    Imagine a scenario, your electricity goes out, it’s thundering and lightning outside. Do you want to change your breaker box but it’s out in the rain lol.

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому +1

      Lol.. all of the main panels are outside here. The sub panel with all of the individual room breakers is in the garage.

  • @Rubo7
    @Rubo7 2 роки тому +2

    I have a question? I still need my 4 prong for my dryer but my welder outlet is the same like yours. What would I do with the neutrul on the extension cord?

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 роки тому +1

      Is the outlet u have now a dryer outlet? You could grab an adapter that goes from 4 prong to welder style and plug that in for when u need the 3 prong. Something like this should work but def look into it more, I just did a quick search:
      ONETAK NEMA L14-30P 6-50R Compact 240V 30 Amp Twist Lock 4 Prong Male Plug to 3 Prong Female Receptacle Generator Welder Dryer EV Charger Power Cord Adapter Connector smile.amazon.com/dp/B07WD1SFD6/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_i_STQRFSFE1TD1583BNVAM

    • @Rubo7
      @Rubo7 2 роки тому +1

      @@D3RPZILLA yes I do have an adapter and did everything correct. I have 240v on red and black, 120v on ground and red/black. When I turn my welder on the fan works but when I press the trigger on my mig gun the wheel doesn't spin? I just purchased a lincoln 180 mig today. Do you think it's the welder with the issue or power?

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 роки тому +1

      @@Rubo7 power sounds right otherwise it wouldn't come on. Sounds like an issue with the wire feed.. u have it set up for correct polarity (depending on of doing flux or not)? This video has some stuff he does working on the wire feed issue with the welder may be helpful, ua-cam.com/video/8qymOYAnY0s/v-deo.html

    • @djcrash1104
      @djcrash1104 2 роки тому

      @@Rubo7 check the tension on the wire wheel.

  • @zog382
    @zog382 Рік тому +1

    Im curious why you didnt use an adapter so you could keep the standard plug?

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому +1

      I never plan to have a dryer or appliance in my garage so a welder style plug just made more sense for me. I'm sure everyone's situation is different though!

  • @ibrahimtouchan-z9t
    @ibrahimtouchan-z9t Рік тому +1

    the movie is good but is long .thank you

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому

      Thank you! I'm working on improving my video quality and length so hopefully timing and pacing will continue to improve! :)

  • @charliynicholls3724
    @charliynicholls3724 Рік тому +1

    Dude you talk way too much!....

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому

      Haha, yeah, working on improving for sure.

  • @thomasjones1778
    @thomasjones1778 Рік тому +1

    too much talking. less is best. just saying......

  • @RaceMentally
    @RaceMentally 2 роки тому +1

    im trying to go from a 3 prong to 4 prong. How do i do that?

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 роки тому +1

      Really depends on which specific 4 prong you are moving to. Just need to Google the specific plug you want to go to for the wiring and then swap outlets and wire it as per wiring diagram for the outlet :)

    • @RaceMentally
      @RaceMentally 2 роки тому +1

      @@D3RPZILLA hired an electrician this morning. Needing to swap out one of my 3 plugs at the shop for a 4 wire 50amp Rv service. Needing to play my motorhome in at my shop.

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 роки тому

      @@RaceMentally Awesome! Always the best choice.. I'm usually just to cheap, haha :D Hopefully everything working great now for you!

  • @joelgrenier2223
    @joelgrenier2223 Рік тому +1

    you save my life xD

  • @wanesweb
    @wanesweb Рік тому

    Good stuff in the comments too Perio. Has anybody done a video of taking A120 From A220 The 220 that I'm converting is ou Outside used for RV I would like to put a another Outlet out there with 120 just so I have a 120 plug out there I think I know how to do it but I'd like someone to show me LOL thank you

    • @davidcedar6529
      @davidcedar6529 Рік тому

      Have to change breaker, from double to single.
      DO NOT connect your Red wire, at either end.
      Just tape the ends good with electric tape. You may want to hook a 220 back up one day.

  • @MarioRamirez-kv4ii
    @MarioRamirez-kv4ii Рік тому +2

    The question is not whether your welder will work, the question isvwhat is going to happen if your welder has an internal malfunction ...there is a reason why nuetral is not ground and ground is not nuetral ...alternating current (AC) needs a nuetral to safety travel back to the box and a ground to travel to ground when something goes wrong

    • @KevinCoop1
      @KevinCoop1 Рік тому +1

      Incorrect. The neutral (grounded conductor in NEC) is for the purpose of supplying 120 volts to some parts of an appliance that also requires 240 volts. Example, dryer light and motor is 120 volts and the heater is 240 volt. Same thing with ranges.

  • @Lovechangestheworld1
    @Lovechangestheworld1 Рік тому +3

    You could have live wire with that common white feeling back. You should’ve disconnected the white at the panel as well.

    • @Lovechangestheworld1
      @Lovechangestheworld1 Рік тому

      That is what you tested for when you were checking for backfeeding through the common.

    • @SirDadbod
      @SirDadbod Рік тому +1

      isnt that called open neutral and dangerous?,,,,because the neutral becomes hot now since its not feeding back to load balance?...

    • @rickeykeeton4770
      @rickeykeeton4770 Рік тому

      @@SirDadbod I was thinking the bare ground should be the one isolated.

    • @KevinCoop1
      @KevinCoop1 Рік тому

      It is better to leave the white conductor connected at the neutral/ground bar. That way it will not have induced or phantom voltage on it.

    • @EMF_D
      @EMF_D 24 дні тому

      So can I remove the neutral completly from my breaker in a 60 amp 240 ? I ran 4/6 gauge wires for a DTF dryer but it only has 3 🤦‍♂️ I thought I needed 4 wires for this size amperage so would I be safe to just have the 3 wires running only ?

  • @barntt
    @barntt 2 роки тому +2

    NOPE use the white for Neutral (like it was wired before you touched it at 9:10) and put the BARE SAFETY GROUND or Green wire on one of the 4 mounting screws for the outlet (like it was wired before you touched it at 9:24). But it's your house

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 роки тому +2

      Unsure what specs you are looking at? Every electrical wiring diagram I've found shows the white neutral gray wire as being UNUSED when using the 3 prong 220 outlet, the bare ground wire going to the top ground prong, the black hot wire to x prong, and red hot wire to y prong. I see no where anywhere mention of using the neutral wire as a ground for the 3 prong outlet and everyone caps it and tucks it back into the box unused. I've been using my outlet for almost a year now with zero issues.

    • @kevinmccarley2674
      @kevinmccarley2674 Рік тому

      The white should go to natural. The ground should go to the metal housing. You probably have to drill and screw it. That 4th wire ground is just a extra safety. Not as thick as the ground you connected. Which should have been the natural. Im sure it's running hot! If you wire a 4 prong generator to a three prong welder. 2 Hots to the hot. The white neutral to the ground plug. The fourth ground should be run out of the box. And connected to a ground rod running into the earth. All for safety! The welder should be grounded also! Especially if on rubber or plastic tires. Welders should have metal casters. I figured that out by getting buzzed while welding. First I touched my ear against what I was welding. Got shocked. Then I leaned my arm on the metal. Got shocked again. Took my welder all apart. Trying to find a short. Couldn’t find any thing wrong with it. Started reading supposed to be self grounding. But I put. Plastic wheels on it. So I got steel wheels. And a ground rod. To ground it to. The steel casters probably would have been ok. It was a triple phase 220 volt welder. I'll tell you what! It buzzed me good!
      Better safe than sorry!

    • @KevinCoop1
      @KevinCoop1 Рік тому

      Wrong! He has done it absolutely correct. The yoke is grounded by the strap as shown in the video.

  • @djcrash1104
    @djcrash1104 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks. That’s just what I needed.

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 роки тому

      No problem, hope it helps!

  • @baybeejayy21
    @baybeejayy21 2 роки тому

    Will this 4 to 3 conversion work for a dryer?

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 роки тому

      Well.. this is going FROM a dyer style plug TO a 3 prong welder style plug. Is your dryer a 220v 3 prong plugged dryer that matches this 3 prong outlet setup?

    • @baybeejayy21
      @baybeejayy21 2 роки тому

      @@D3RPZILLA not sure really. My house has a 4 prong connection, but the dryer I just purchased has a 3 prong cord connection.

    • @comodice905
      @comodice905 Рік тому

      Why du u ask bub

  • @leorael4497
    @leorael4497 Рік тому

    What size of breaker are you using ?

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому

      40A I believe.

    • @comodice905
      @comodice905 Рік тому

      50 amp bub

    • @Mrv1960
      @Mrv1960 5 місяців тому

      You need a 50 amp breaker to match your outlet. I am sure that it’s a code violation. Here in Canada you can’t do that.

    • @surferdude642
      @surferdude642 8 днів тому

      ​@@Mrv1960In the US, a 50 amp receptacle is allowed on a 40 amp circuit, as long as the wire is minimum of 8 gauge. 40 amp receptacles don't exist. NEC 210.21(b)(3)

  • @thechuckster1971
    @thechuckster1971 2 роки тому +8

    Hire a licensed electrician! So much bad info in one spot.

    • @comodice905
      @comodice905 Рік тому

      Like what bub

    • @SirDadbod
      @SirDadbod Рік тому +1

      @@comodice905 he left neutral open...very dangerous...

    • @comodice905
      @comodice905 Рік тому

      @@SirDadbod te amo te amo de verdad Como loco 😜 ♥️ ❤️ 88

  • @gregprescan7597
    @gregprescan7597 2 роки тому +2

    Your video illustrates why unqualified persons should not attempt to perform electrical work! Please hire a licensed electrician to correct this installation including sizing the EGC,, conductor sizing, and sizing overcurrent protective device for specific load. This video is a variety of NEC violations!

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  2 роки тому +1

      No clue how, lol. I followed every wiring schematic and diagram on how to wire up the 3 prong 220 outlet. The outlet was already a 220 outlet with it's own dedicated 220 panel with proper gauge wiring for my requirements, the outlet I swapped to was sized correctly to my panel and my workload, and the outlet was wired up as per all wiring diagrams I've seen.

    • @royalspin
      @royalspin 2 роки тому +1

      What specific violations are you referring to ? The wire gauge is fine, The conductors are correct and the outlet for the welding machine is also correct which is a NEMA 50 most commonly used for welders. There's another way to wire it using the neutral wire if that's what you're talking about.

    • @gregprescan7597
      @gregprescan7597 2 роки тому

      @@royalspinNational Electrical Code Article 630 covers specific requirements for electric welder circuits, also follow grounding and bonding requirements in Article 250, Overcurrent Protective Devices requirements in Article 240. But first take time to read Electrical Theory Basics by Mike Holt. The National Electrical Code provides for the very minimum for safety of persons (electric shock) and property (fire).

    • @LiveInTheNow247
      @LiveInTheNow247 2 роки тому

      Shut up, you are just trying to sound smart and be a know it all.

  • @bigf1ip
    @bigf1ip Рік тому

    Does anyone know if this 4 to 3 conversion work for UK/European 3 wire 240v appliances?

    • @D3RPZILLA
      @D3RPZILLA  Рік тому

      Not sure on Euro stuff, sorry :-/

    • @davidcedar6529
      @davidcedar6529 Рік тому

      NO, UK/Europe is DC, USA is AC.
      Not sure what appliance you are asking about, BUTT NO it will not work.

    • @KevinCoop1
      @KevinCoop1 Рік тому

      @@davidcedar6529. No they are not DC. THE Uk/ European system is 400/230 volts 50Hz AC. Most residences get 1 hot, 1 neutral off of the three phase 4 wire system. Some countries put 3 phase in the residences.