Why Does Ariana Grande get a Korean Pass but not Oli London
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last week ariana grande decided to post a picture on social media that made the internet go: is this free real estate? people are noticing that she suddenly looks like a kpop idol that lives in LA. maybe she hungout with blackpink a few to many times or something. and when people start changing races Oli London comes out from his room and celebrates their new look… i guess. I have a feeling Oli is slowly assembling the Avengers and all their super powers are being able to shift shape into different identities. anyways here’s my reaction and some commentary on what feels like a weird alternate reality where everyone does asianfishing. Why Does Ariana Grande get a Korean Pass but not Oli London #edvasian
Oli London stanning people for race-fishing is somehow the most cutthroat social satire I've seen all year. It's absolutely hilarious
He knows what he is doing n he doesn't even give a shit about bts he is doing for clout
for real no one is going to be able to roast ariana harder than oli london calling her his fellow transracial ally and grouping her with him and michael jackson holy shit
His whole persona is to make money so he can pay for more surgeries it’s all fake
@@paimonspie8913 it’s not even for the surgery it’s for the clout, he’s like the biggest troll in human history lmaoooo
they have to be doing this on purpose 💀
When she got called out for blackfish they were saying “she’s naturally tan” but now she’s currently asian baiting and now “her skin is naturally light”. Like you cant be both
Talk about it
I mean honestly i was a child that was extreamllyy tanned that you would think i am not fully white, and now i am pale as freaking wall.. Soo
It's possible if you have Mediterranean origins, and she is italian, so it's possible (I'm juste saying that because I can be really tan and extremely white during winter) so I believe with money and stuff, it's no big deal to be more taned or not
@@rache4759 ok but not to the extreme she is. She has the money to be the shade of tan she wants all year. The issue is that she decides when to and when not (for example her skin tone for magazine shoots vs mv videos).
this!
I was born in Kazakhstan and have almond shaped eyes. I was ridiculed for looking “different” and remember growing up wishing I could look like others that I saw in the magazines. Now all these celebs be paying thousands for almond eyes. The world is a weird place. Lolz. Trends will come and go but at the end of the day you are the one who lives with yourself.
Жиза
Hey I too was born in Kazakhstan
I like how during race controversies Middle Asians, who are always forgotten, just sit in the back and giggle at this mess. Ngl, I'm kinda glad for it, GoT didn't forget Middle Asia and I'm still recovering
Ngl feel like the only reason she doesn't get as much backlash is because she's decently likeable and her fanbase can get incredibly toxic at points where if you criticize anything they'll be at your throats
She gets a pass at like everything doe
YESSS!!!
I mean every fandoms are like this
For me, it's because Oli declares he is Korean even though he is not. While Ariana did not say she is asian
@@thewhyofthings8450 That time she mocked Native American culture and her fans defended her saying she was forced to do it bc she was at an escape room
I thought she said “ain’t got no tears left to cry” not “aint got no races left to try” 💀
lmaoooo
Underrated
This comment should be pinned 😂
@@sokmaiazz6428 100%
brilliant
honestly Ariana is a genius for creating such a close parasocial relationship with her fans, I want to believe her desire to connect with them is genuine, but either way it's such a smart business move. her fans will eat up anything and everything she puts out, and the truly diehard ones will defend every action til their last breath. it's sort of created a wall around her where whatever criticism she gets is watered down from having to go through her fans shielding her. (also that Black people's and POC's concerns aren't taken seriously but that's a separate issue)
Are Black people not People of Color
Not really cause the moment her fans get sick of her they attack her lol, they literally sent death threats when Mac died, they're toxic in general.
why are we talking about her like she’s some sort of evil mastermind genius or some shit😭
@@riddhisingh5466 right they are all evil lol
@@-valmetal-I mean…. Hate to break it to you
Why does Oli think Michael Jackson was "transracial"? He didn't even choose to change his skintone, he had vitiligo!
YESSSS FINALLY SOMEONE SPOKE OUT💓✊
Yes! And eventually in an attempt to even out his skin tone because he was self conscious about the different patches of colour, he started using bleaching cream and makeup to have just one colour. I guess he thought that since he was losing his melanin anyway that he would speed up the process a bit.
MJ was in character edit mode
@@Alex-fc8xn well MJ did live through a time where it would have been less socially acceptable to have vitiligo
@@Gracehasyoutube He also didn't like his father very well, being abusive towards the kids but especially MJ. He was probably happy to have bleached his skin to look less like him, not just to even out his vitiligo. The countless nose jobs was most likely part of that too, though some underlying OCD mindset might have played a part of that. MJ did strive for perfection in his performances after all, which was a great but tainted trait cause it also harkened back to his dad's abusive practices.
It's interesting how her skin colour kept changing, and now that you mention it, her eyes too. And she does this asianfishing so subtly you almost don't even notice it. But she definitely does it better than Oli London haha.
I’m tryna figure out what you mean? Her eye makeup is has changed abit. If you actually see her on tv it’s the same make up.
Oil: I wanna look like jimin
Ariana: I WANNA BECOME BLACKPINK ENTIRELY
Next we have someone wanting to be twice ,red velvet so on so on
@@SimplyComi she said that?
@@e7even182 she didn’t I’m making a joke lol
People where saying she looked like a BLACKPINK member or sum
@@Martin0Neill really not u can tell she has had surgery n if not ur jus delusional she does it subtly every year so no one catches on quite clever if u ask me
Can I just say, as someone actually from Italy... Ariana Grande is AMERICAN. Her grandparents or great-grandparents idk may have been Italian but she was born and raised in America and doesn't seem to know or care about anything of our culture. The impression I get is that she says to be Italian because that makes her sounds 'fancy' and 'chic'. Not too different from Oli London claiming to be Korean now that I think about it...
I agree with you. She has no idea what it means to be European.
Audrey Hepburn was more Italian than her LOL
But her family is it
I swear I was about to comment the same thing, thank you for pointing it out!
This!!
@noracha i’m not sure this is a fair generalization. yes part of this is me being a second generation italian and getting defensive😭, but it’s also the fact that growing up, italian culture was such an important part of my life. having a Neapolitan grandpa who told us stories and going to ischia every year when i was younger, my family trying (but failing) to teach me italian (i’m working on it😭), learning about the art forms, having italian food at home, my father complaining about olive garden… so many more memories, it’s such a treasured part of me. it’s not some trendy thing i call myself. i do agree a lot of people who talk about being italian don’t know about the culture, but it doesn’t mean all. if you grow up with a culture, the more it’s a part of you, ariana obviously doesn’t know much about it, and uses it as a quirk, as we can see by the way she pronounces her last name🥲. but please don’t drag all italian americans down with her, a lot of us aren’t oblivious to our own privilege and Americanness as well as us being actually interested in their own roots.
i must be such an annoying person to talk to im literally so sorry😭😭
Ariana be like “oh looks like hip hop isnt that hyped anymore , its kpop…alright i see what i need to do”😀😀
PLEASE THIS SUMS UP THE WHOLE SITUATION PERFECTLY 😭
Please I'm crying 😂
Mmm hmm don't be surprised if she comes up with a k pop album next.
BYEEEE
That's how you make money
ITALIAN ISNT A RACE IS A NATIONALITY, THAT IS A WHITE WOMAN OMG
Yes!!!
Actually, Italians are of the Romance ethnic group. These are people who all share the same or similar physical attributes, history and culture. So not only a nationality.
It's called being Caucasian :) you're right
I’m not Italian myself but I do a ton of genealogy and DNA research for my cousin who is and it’s definitely an ethnicity with very strong cultural connotations, not just a nationality.
@@imsomewhatokaysugar ‘romance’ doesn’t mean anything when it come to genetics, it is used to describe languages that derive from latin, in certain cases it can qualify cultures and geographical locations as well though. Italians in Italy are for the most part caucasians, some very fair, others rather dark. Italians who made Italy what is today did not all look the same, just take a look at Garibaldi and tell me he looks anything like the stereotypical Italian man foreigners always think of. So no, Italians might share history (sure) and culture (kinda) but no way we all looke the same, different genetic groups have occupied the peninsula for who knows how long and have intermingled a lot in the meantime.
when she was tanning a lot people were like “she’s naturally tan!!” And now its “she’s naturally light! She looks like a white girl!!” I thought she was a kpop idol when I first saw that picture and so did all of my other friends when I showed them that picture. I don’t like cancel culture it’s toxic and I don’t support bullying but it doesn’t mean y’all shouldn’t hold her accountable. She isn’t a baby, she is a grown woman like it or not lol stop excusing her actions.
Seriously people will bend over backwards to coddle and excuse her. It infuriates me.
In the summer I look like a Mexican. In the winter i look like a albino. I dont go tanning. White people change colors depending on their genetics and sun exposure. I am 100% german and i Tan really really easily and i also am very very white in the winter. I can't change how the sun affects my skin.
"She has natural monolids!"
@@laranjapera8825 She's wearing eyeliner. She's not claiming to be asian or trying to look east-asian either. You all love to throw around the term "asian-fisher" like there's no tomorrow.
@@ria_dawnbut she legit don’t have the crease on eyelids because she allegedly did a high ponytail face lift surgery so it unintentionally (maybe) made her look Asian.
whether or not she was purposely trying to look Asian, a big problem is that she has been blackfishing/using black aesthetics for years and right when she got married she could just take all of that off so she could get her feminine white aesthetic wedding shoot. when POC can't just take their skin color + facial features off
dont cry
latina women too, it's like she was trying so hard to be a black latina woman and now that she's tired with it she's moving on to asian woman, it's disgusting
The BLACCENT SHE USED TO DO..🥲
How was her wedding “white aesthetic” exactly? Asking for a friend
she's married??
I am not of asian decent but have almond shaped eyes. Actually I got bullied a lot when I was a child and called "chinese" as an insult. Considering the impact it had on me I am so deeply sorry for every asian person or POC in general out there who had and still has to endure discrimination and bigotry even though I have only felt the tiniest fraction of what it feels like. Y'all deserve your voices to be heard and this whole fetishizing ethnicities and reducing them to to a single nonsensical element has got to stop.
I can fully understand you. I live in a predominantly white private school and was called “blasian” when I am full black. My eyes are quite small compared to my other facial features, so they’d call me names or jokingly act like they are speaking Chinese and see if I understood.
@Jenete j same, back in high school some girl had the AUDACITY to ask me if i was chinese (cause she said cause of my eye shape) when she knew i was mexican smh
I don't think I was bullied for it, since my year in elementary school luckily didn't have much racial bullying, but I'm also a white person with rather almond shaped eyes. My eyes are hooded and not monolids, but they tilt up at the corners and have that lil puffy area under the eye that's popular in Korea to emphasize right now. I honestly only realized it because my eyes are slightly different shapes and I got super self conscious about it at a young age and started wearing my hair over one eye so nobody would notice. But bc I was aware of how they looked I started looking at other peoples' eyes and realized that they didn't really look like most white people eyes and wondered about my ancestry. Turns out I do have Native ancestry from the late 1800s, but I don't think that an ancestor from 4-5 generations back would have much of an impact on how I look today, so I think it's just a coincidence.
It's kinda funny how as a kid I thought my eyes looked a little Asian, but as I grew up and saw more Asian people and made Asian friends I realized that nope the only Asian people I look like are those with double eyelids, generally obtained through surgery for celebrities.
Tell me about it then people who aren't even black/asian would tell us that were sensitive its so fucked up
But yours is natural, while Ariana did surgery
It extremely clear that she intended to look more east Asian just by looking at her brows. She used to rock the "western" arch and now, post surgery, she's suddenly rocking the straight brow. She's on the cusp of Kpop idol and JWOWW at this point haha
Her eyebrows have looked straight to me for many years now.
@@Cybeldina Honestly it’s possible she did it early on so it wouldn’t be all at once. She did that during her transformation into brownface, too
she never had the arch, her eyebrows were always straight and thick.
@@wbk4822
She only had an arch back then when she had red hair, then she did surgery and her eyebrows were straight after that, also because of how much she pulled her hair because sometimes she had a tiny arch. If not, yeah.
i agree on the video but she has the straight eyebrows for years now
People aren't realizing her double eyelid is almost completely erased and she has been either removing it with filters or in real- life. Also it's the fact that every time a new culture or race is the trend, she changes her face so drastically and colour to fit into that. All it takes is some pics on the internet to completely shock u into wondering how this is the same person. Also the fact she went from being darker than many mixed black person to pale is just...
White celebs need to stop trying to look racially ambiguous
you can’t see her double eyelid bc of the fliter/flash combo
Right...
@@victoriat7961 No, look up how she looked in 2013. She had cosmetic on their eyes.
@@cutienerdgirl yeah but she didn't get surgery to remove her double eyelids. that's not what cateye surgery does. it really was bc of her makeup combined with the lighting in the photo. i have a background in photography it's very easy to see that she is just really washed out. which could be on purpose to look asian! but we're just saying that it's the makeup and lighting that contributed to it.
And you can stop telling white people how they need to look :)
dear non-asians, many asians have differing opinions and you may support whichever ones you'd like. you may share your thoughts and speak your mind, but do NOT speak OVER asian voices on a topic like this. don't tell an asian person that they are stupid for disliking/supporting ariana's decisions, since it's really us who should be heard first and foremost.
Who asked
I agree even in other situations similar to this.💯
@@engee4422Shush, the adults are talking
@@joon2103 I still don't remember asking
Shush
Honestly HOW does she keep getting away with this? I hate how most people on the internet pick and choose who they cancel, sometimes to the point of ruining or permanently damaging their career, like if we’re not gonna call out everyone for these things then we shouldn’t call out anyone at all. This has gone on for way too long for her to not acknowledge it at least
the issue with traditionally asian features becoming more trendy right now is that it means it will one day be out of style
and when that happens, the asians who don't just choose to adopt different racial features via surgery as the years pass, will still be very much asian. and in that moment--without ever asking for it-- we'll have become something that was in style and now out of style when all we did was exist.
i feel like some people might be confused to why we feel upset towards traditional asian features becoming trendy and personally (speaking only for myself here since i am but one person) it upsets me bc i was bullied a lot growing up for having small eyes, flat face, etc. and any joy i feel now seeing those features be appreciated is quickly over shadowed by the fact that this acceptance is temporary and im not looking forward to when suddenly this appreciation is dropped with the start of a new "trendy face".
ack not sure if that made any sense?? got a lot of feelings about this topic but i'm not very good with words
No you've got a MAJOR point.
It's the fetishization that reeks from modern media surrounding Asians at this point. It's not just the hypersexualization (ie. "Foreign Asian women are very much wanted because they're exotic"), but I also see it as them taking the things WE WERE MOCKED AND BULLIED FOR and placing it as a trend to hypocritically say, "I'm not racist!! I'm enjoying their culture 🥺🥺"
[+ also the infantilization of Asians that are a big issue too; (ie. Babying adult stars/influencers)]
If you want to enjoy Asian culture, don't just modify yourself to look Asian and speak OVER Asian voices; listen to them and learn from them. Non-Asian folk don't get the head on megaphone with the asian-baiting that Ariana has been doing.
- a Chinese person in the US.
i'm not asian but i think i can understand what you mean. giving a really silly example, i used to be made fun of for wearing glasses and some years later it became trendy that people would even wear fake ones. when i saw that i thought wow society is so fckn stupid, but it's easy to forget and ignore since it's just glasses. with races it's a way harder thing, it goes way deeper. because being certain races comes with a lot of heavy prejudice, and it isn't an object like the glasses. seeing it be treated as if it was one feels kinda dehumanising. features being trends feels so weird...
Honestly the way ppl look shouldn't be a trend period it's gross and divisive af
Ppl really like to pick and choose. Ppl like black ppl getting bullied for big lips, big butts and the accents and dark skin. Then the Kardashians and freinds do the same and it's ok. Asain ppl have been bullied for their eyes yet now ppl are qsain fishing and doing things popularized by asain ppl. Like damn. ITS OK TO BE WHITE FAM
Yeah I was made fun of for my freckles as a kid and then they were trendy for a while and now they aren't anymore and I'm just here existing like "why do you change your minds on what natural features are ok or attractive so often?" Like why can't the trends just be about makeup and hairstyles and clothes that aren't trying to emulate specific cultures and ethnic features? Like red hair is celto-germanic and I've been both made fun of and fetishized for it and while I don't mind people dying their hair red, I'd be MAD if someone who used to bully me or sexualize me (like asking "do the curtains match the drapes" when I was a teen 🤢) dyed their hair. Or if they did it just so they could play up the "sexy, fiery redhead" stereotype and profit off of it.
I wish people would stop trying on ethnicities as if they were creating a character in the Sims.
she isn’t getting backlash because her fanbase is so huge it has a lot of toxic fans and if you ever dare criticize her you’ll get sent to hell 😍
lmao fr tho...
Love that emoji at last. Lol
I don't think she is asian baiting I have never seen her saying "I feel asiatic or trying to speak korean" she just likes the (cat eyes) style.
@@VAN-mf8kz correct me if I’m wrong, but you can be Asian baiting without saying you’re asian.
@@VAN-mf8kz bro that’s being a koreaboo not Asian fishing, those two are different things
People sometimes exgerate their accusations. One African girl on tiktok got called out for Asian fishing because she had monolids and wore long eyeliner to the point that she had to show her face without any makeup to prove her eyes were naturally monolids.
I think there's something wrong with associating certain features with certain races since different ethnic groups have different traits that may be associated with another race
Oof, that's ignorant af. I agree with that last statement, it's just ethnic stereotyping all over again. I'm from Indonesia and people have diverse features here, I'm sure westerners would go insane by the fact that you can't fit us into neat little boxes. They'll look at my dark-skinned curly-haired boyfriend and dunk on him for blackfishing.
@@Sofiaode18 why would we do that? There’s plenty of people that have dark skin and curly hair in different races. You shouldn’t speak on this topic if you don’t understand.
Yeah, like people of certain races can have completely different features from what people of their race are associated with. Some people just can't seem to believe that a person who isn't Asian can have monolids or that a non-Black person have curly hair and such.
That’s why black people are the blueprint when it comes to genes. We can literally have every feature from other ethnicities naturally.
Yall seriously attack white women for everything lol
Ariana Grande has been getting away with this for too long. She darkened her skin to look Black and now this...
do you remember that time when a priest or news anchor (or at least i think it was) said something like "she was a very nice Latino women"??? bc that lives in my head rent free.
@@jaygandra she ain't even latino tf she jus acts like she is to fit in she needs TO GO AND BE CANCELLED literally
@@jaygandra she's jus another insecure white woman like woahviccy hell she even makes woahviccy look good!
so you think all people who try to get a tan want to look black? lmao
@@Unavailablea4 when has she ever acted as if she was latino?
i’ve always thought ariana was latina .. girl had changed skin colors and eye shapes way too much for this to just be a coincidence 😭 bcuz of this its hard to believe the bright flash , edited out double eyelid, elongated eyeliner and k-pop fashion esc fashion wasn’t intentional
Same lol
A girl on TikTok brought up a great point: if flash erased her crease, it would have also obliterated the rest of her features.
She had plastic surgery, simple as that.
@@nose-bleed her fans are like 'its makeup,' even with before and afters and side by sides
She had a pony tail lift which got rid of her crease and lifted her eyes. Fans will point out that she “still has eyelids” but you can tell their drawn on with makeup in recent pictures
He needs to leave micheal alone he had a whole skin condition let this man rest in peace😭✋🏽
Omg yeah✊😭❤️
Seriously, though. That was so rude and disrespectful!
Wasn’t he a pedo tho...?
@@mikowhytho no, there were lots of lies and inconsistencies in the Leaving Neverland documentary and there's a lot of articles debunking the documentary
@@russogoob ok i see
Koreanna Grande, Ariana Nguyen, ara ara grande🤣 those comments are so creative
I heard Arigato-desu 😭
funny how when she was blackfishing her fans were like Italians tan in the summer but ever since she was done profiting from the trend her skin tone has remained light for nearly two years now EVEN IN THE SUMMER. It’s no surprise since Asian culture is treading rn she hopped on. She try’s to appeal to ethnic audiences by being them. I haven never seen an ethic person become white to gain white viewers. They do it the hard way. But for a white woman it is easy. I love her but I’m not going to be a delusional fan who defends peoples ignorance.
Michael Jackson though. Ik he had vitiligo but that doesn't explain the plastic surgery.
@@catsplat1272 he said he didn’t want to look like his father so he got plastic surgery
awesome to see an actual ariana stan be honest and not defend everything ariana does
you can love a singer/artist without supporting every choice she makes.
It's honestly cool how a fan catches stuff like this better like your points are ones I haven't seen yet.
Thank u for being the only reasonable fan
I don't understand how non Asians have the audacity to try and say its makeup. Its clearly not, makeup doesn not make your crease DISAPPER if you truly think its makeup maybe you should go to the eye doctor. 🥰
It could be photoshop, though I guess you wouldn't know for sure unless you got a raw photo in the same makeup and angle.
Lightning and shadows my friend
@@Jauhelihakeitto I understand the lighting might have had an affect on her eyelids but it is clear the picture is heavily photoshopped and Ariana's team saw it, and thought it would be good to post. She and her team know how sensitive the media is and still decided to post it, they knwo exactly what they're doing. Its unexpectable how people are standing up for her when literal asians are offended by the way she edited her eyelids. You can even tell the difference on the shade on her skin on the two pictures. Just because your fave is the one who did it doesnt mean they shouldn't be held accountable. 💀
@@iris-jm1vt She isnt my fave and im asian and most of us dont give a fuck because it doesnt look photoshoped. She have looked like this before and literally no one cared, because again - lightning. As in for eg some DW meet and greet photos.
@@Jauhelihakeitto She didn't look like this before. If you search up a picture from just 2 months ago you will see she was way darker even after she stopped tanning. How does flash make your eye crease disappear? She changes her race every few months.
Also another thing to note is that transracial is an actual term that is being co-opted by the willfully ignorant. Transracial is meant for adoptees who have been adopted by a family of a race different than them. This usual comes along with many issues specific to the transracial adoptee. It's a serious and sad issue.
People keep saying it's makeup but it's not
her crease has disappeared even in her new videos
.you don't get that effect with makeup.. especially for someone who had a deep crease like Ari...no hate .love your videos
Yep it's deffo surgery but people kinda harsh on her
theres several other pictures thats the same... When you look down in flash your eyelids are not gonna have as big shadow as before, its not rocket science
Wdym "her crease disappeared even in her new videos"? You can see her in The Voice with the same outfit, the same makeup, the same EYES, the same night and, this is such a weird thing to say, her crease is there
I cannot believe anyone is stupid enough to think she has had "crease surgery". It's photoshop.
I have small eyes, and when I do crease makeup it makes my eyes look more wide but when I do no crease and only white shadow or transparent it looks like I don’t have any eyelids. Makeup can really enhance certain features
imo she doesnt receive enough backlash. too many times ive seen people defending her saying people are exaggerating and doing too much. theres asians saying that they dont have a problem with it but I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. one asian person doesnt speak for everyone. she most likely got a ponytail face lift and its so obvious in her eye crease appearing much smoother in different angles and lightings. makeup cant erase your crease. her eyes are different and whether it was intentional or not it negatively affects asians because she’s once again profitting off of living with another ethnicity’s facial features
Love ur pfp!!!
I couldn't have said it better! Didn't some people (but not nearly enough) criticise her for usingJapanese aesthetics in her 7 rings video ? She's been doing this for years, whether it's Black culture she's appropriating or Asian.... but I honestly don't think she'll ever have to the responsibility because there are just too many delusional fans that will support her whatever she does
yep, i believe she got a ponytail face lift too, her eyes look too different, she needs to stop trying to look like different ethnicities, she's white.
Yes this is exactly why people who aren't apart of a racial group,ethnicity or culture shouldn't really be justifying something that they are not apart of just because it seems like majority is fine with it doesn't mean everyone one is.
@@clarimm6675 As an Asian person I think using asian aesthetics are fine. But I have a huge issue with her changing skin colour and facial features.
The problem I have is people complimenting how good she looks, while me and the majority of asians were bullied cause our eyes looked like that naturally.
It's like when you have it naturally it's not ok, but if you are white and doing these thing you get called revolutionary and breaking the stereotype.
Can we just talk about how Oli said MJ was transracial?? Even tho he was very much not.
He had a condition, vitiligo, he wasn't whatever "transracial" is. He had a skin condition.....
Kinda disrespectful how they would just...spread those rumors even further without any research, which isn't even that hard to find out it takes maybe 2 minutes. /nm
Omg i was searching for this it offended me alot knowing how mj got bullied by the media for it❤️
@@aailana.delrey people need to leave Michael alone. He's dead yet people still bully and make lies about him.
@@aailana.delrey yea me too... it wasn't even a major point in the video or anything but I do not stand the slander.... There are many stupid rumors out there about him and people still go after him even tho he's dead.
I'm kinda mad over it now ngl even tho I'm not even a diehard fan of his. His songs are quite good tho tbh.
off topic but
a-a-aether
@@cigarwy yes hello indeed :D
While I think some people do overreact, there’s been a pattern with black fishing, Latino finishing and now this. I’m tired of hearing the excuse of being Italian.
As an Italian i am really pale and I do not get “naturally tan” over the summer because I’m Italian. Some Italians are darker than others due to family ancestry and exposure to sun, so Ariana grande being white one year and black the next year has nothing to do with being Italian and her just getting a tan of some sort (most likely spray on since she because such a darker tone), and I really do wish people would stop using stupid excuses to defend her
Also if you search up her parents they are ✋🏻 while Ariana swaps between ✋🏻✋🏼, so I think it’s pretty obvious she is getting a tan
@@Fruitcake-yu5cx yeahhhh, I’m Mexican myself and can tan a lot during the summer due to me staying at a beach house, and even then I won’t get as darker as she does. There’s nothing wrong with spray tan, but I wish people would shut up about how it’s natural when no, lol. Was she forced to never see the sun in her Nickelodeon days? She has always portrayed herself as ethnically ambiguous to capitalise on other cultures. I wouldn’t go as far as say that the picture was intentional ( I do believe someone could’ve fucked up, either makeup artist or photographer ), but the pattern is what makes me question her.
Aham, there's no such thing as latino fishing because it's not a race. Ty
@@Rerizz nobody said it’s a race and you still can do it regardless.
"she's never claimed to be a whole different race, she's always been super transparent that she is ITALIAN" THIS IS SO FUNNY
I'm so annoyed with some of her fans. they were defending her when she was tanning saying thats her natural skin color and now they are defending her saying she looks like this because she stopped tanning. wasnt she naturally tan? what does skin color have to do with her eye shape that has clearly changed.
shes italian, shes the same tone as her family
@@federicofernandez3579 you know that Italian isn't an ethnicity right, it's a nationality?? Like, there are Italians with light skin, and others with darker skin.
And she isn't Italian, she is just of Italian descent
@@mariaijebd1637 she is basically a all round white woman w bit of Italian in her why don't people understand this smh🙄
Bro I have family that’s from Italy and I’m slightly tan. As soon as I get enough sun through it shows more. It doesn’t just do that whenever it wants, it happens all the time!
@@federicofernandez3579 You ever seen her in Victorious? Her skin had 0 tan… Cause she’s white 🤷
i think the main issue people has is she changes what race she looks like by what's "trending". so she can look more black when black features are trending in media, but when it's no longer trendy she moves onto the next thing. and meanwhile, actual dark-skinned women who are actually black can't just decide they don't want to look how they do anymore. and long after the tend ends, they'll still be attacked and discriminated against for their skin color and features. and same with asians. she can make her eyes look more slanted and elongated, make her skin lighter and alter the undertone for the trend of it at the moment, but once it's all gone, she can follow what the next trend it. but when elongated eyes and asian features are no longer en vogue, actual asian people can't change. and that's what i've understood is the issue with blackfishing, asianfishing, and ariana grande.
but ur also right, some ppl just literally do winged eyeliner and get called asian-fishes, as if winged liner hasn't existed for decades
So I'm not a Ariana fan or hater just like some of her music and think her voice is amazing. But from a neutral standpoint since I've seen her since victorious days. She's been tanning since that show before the show she never tanned. And she was forced to so I honestly can't be mad about someone who did something for years due to work and continued the habit once away from that work and now has changed due to back lash.
Yea this is getting confusing. But i do think all this is based on following trends. Gotta be honest sometimes i feel proud when someone tries to do their make up to look a bit more like asian. U know it's like, aww they're inspired by my race. Different story if they make fun of it tho..
Except she's not one of the ones "just literally doing winged eyeliner" so idk what the point of that part of your comment was relevant to lmao
About the eyeliner
I'm sure that most people who got accused for asian fishing for winged (even Doll) eyeliner were accused from white people (I saw it happen a lot)
I don't think we asians would call someone out for winged or doll eyeliner because that's in fact not offensive
I even saw someone being accused of asian fishing who wasn't even wearing makeup
I’m middle eastern with almond eyes and was teased incessantly as a kid, it’s wild that people are getting surgery like this…beauty standards got me messed up
if edvasian's theory is true and Oli is actually the biggest-most-commited troll out there, then him showing his support for "trans-racial" people is actually the most humbling and aggresive wake-up call lmao imagine having one of the most foul people on the internet tell you you're doing a good job, i would simply log myself off of every social media on the spot
Because "its the lighting" They say
"Its the way the cameras angled" They say
"Its the way she does her make up" They say
"Ya'all hate her for no reason" They say. They just want to use every excuse in the book for her. my friend had the audacity to stick up for her saying "Its because of her clothes isnt it?" And i'm like no...Its one thing to wear asian aparal, Dress in uzzlang style, But its literally another thing to...do whatever the hell she did
no like fr…why did she blur her eyelids out?
@@liliana4565 LMAO what- theres several other pictures thats the same... When you look down in flash your eyelids are not gonna have as big shadow as before, its not rocket science
@@Jauhelihakeitto ig she's insecure abt it
@@Rerizz who is insecure about what
@@Jauhelihakeitto hm stick up for your fave ig
Nooo oh my gosh did Oli London just disrespect Michael Jackson like that 5:26 that a no no no
You really look different from previous years, happy you found your style, you look amazing
@Baby Hunn woah really? I didn't know. He's really offending nobody and looks gorgeous as well
@Baby Hunn White fishing?? 💀
@Baby Hunn WHITE FISHING???? LMFAO
@Baby Hunn HUH? 😭 WHITE FISHING😟
@@miagosha7756 HELPPP
Ariana really pulled an oil London on us 💀
She collected the infinity races and snapped away her eye creases 🥺🥺🥺
Me: *seeing michael jackson in oli london post*
Me: "KEEP MICHAEL NAME OUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!"
idk if i have a right to speak on this because im asian but not quite from the east, but seeing people do this is just weird. Not only makes me uncomfortable just thinking about someone adopting a race's traits to look 'aesthetic' when said race has been tormented for having the same traits, it also makes me think about how easily people just take on another whole ass culture or race and just wear it like it was their own like bruh- appreciation and straight up just being weird is different. as someone who previously loved ari, im just tired. well more than i was before that is.
Nah if you’re an Asian it’s fine to speak I believe, I’m a South-East Asian, personally I don’t really feel like commenting on the situation but I believe as long as you are Asian you have a right to speak up on the situation.
Y’all be fighting about whether or not she gets to darken her skin tone and whether or not that in itself constitutes black fishing, while ignoring the multitude of surgeries she got to look ethnically ambiguous. With her original face, her recent dark tan would make her look like she’s some Italian-American from Jersey Shore. But with the extreme brow lift and other adjustments, she’s clearly been going for “mixed”.
Now that she decided to let her skin tone lighten and get her brows pulled up even tighter her eyelid creases are gone to oblivion, seems she’s unlocked another race lol
But she looks exactly the same though? Like literally the only thing that's changed is her getting skinnier.
@@mikimishisa are you blind
HAHAHA you‘ll gain nothing for lying THAT hard for Ari u can stop
Your point about whether Ariana has actually claimed to be a diff. race- no, but she and her team have actively and consistently made use of racialized codes to paint her as ethnically ambiguous, buckets of spray tan and styling choices, but also the way she speaks. I haven’t heard any interviews with Ariana grande for a while, but when she was in her seven rings era especially, a lot of her speech mannerisms were clearly coded as aave- she is trained to mimic, after all- and she would “ switch”depending on the context. See also her twitter feed, her use of “finna,” and “out of pocket,” etc. this is a new “aesthetic” for her, but the sad things is that a person’s actual race and lived experiences can ignored and used by a rich white celeb as an aesthetic to begin with. With her, the motive and end results will always be her appropriating a different culture and race.
exactly, people forget she’s not an idiot, she’s intentionally changing her aesthetic to change with the times. during her thank u next era she would horribly appropriate aave and showcased her “childhood best friend” (a black woman who’s name escapes me at the moment) and profited off of black culture. now that she’s going for a more ambiguous/east asian loon that “childhood best friend” is nowhere to be found and the aave usage has dropped off. i don’t hate ari or anything but she’s still doing some fucked up things.
Sad seeing so many white BTS stans defending her in the comments. You enjoy entertainment produced by Asian artists but can't support them when they're facing discrimination? Wreaks of performative activism :/
I have noticed that Ariana shape shifts depending on her moods and types of music she’s recording. When seen with African American people, she has a MUCH darker spray tan and accents her backside. As K-pop gets more popular, her eyes do seem to appear more Asian. As far as Oli London is concerned, he seems scary and psychologically unwell and reminds me of The Beatles obsessed Mark David Chapman that shot and murdered John Lennon. He should NEVER be allowed near our precious Jimin 💜
„The Asian was too stunned to speak“ made me lose it 😭
Ariana grande, Africana grande, Asiana grande
Her name should be “Arichan” since she called her self that in her song “bad idea” LMAO
*Our features are not a fashion item you can wear when it's convenient and discard when it's not.*
smh, we're just a trend to everyone else. Now that k-pop and anime/manga is in the mainstream media, it's suddenly cool and attractive to have eastern asian features. Before it was trendy we had people making the "asian eyes" at us by pulling at the corner of their eyes. These are the same people who think asia is a monolithic society, and completely disregard the existence of other parts of asia that isn't a part of eastern asia.
Ariana Grande is using this to further her influence because it is what is trendy in the moment and will give her a bigger following, nothing else. She profits off of the same features that have gotten us put in internment camps, subjected to hate-crimes and discriminated against throughout history and then gets to take it off at the end of the day. This isn't appreciation, this is appropriation at the grossest level.
I agree with you, I’m Asian and I don’t have monolids.
take therapy seriously
& this is why I hate her. If she didn't do things like this she would be at the least tolerable
@@arisboba ok misogynist and body shamer i wished you the worst
I remember seeing an interview with some Chinese/Argentinian girls that said people asked them if they could see with their eyes like that, like bro, after that I began to question humanity more.
Oh, and then I've seen some makeup videos where people were saying a girl was trying to look more white and got a double eyelid surgery and she had to explain that asians can naturally have double eyelids too, not everyone looks the same, like aaaaaaAaaaaaaa
To be fair, there are TONS of Asian makeup videos where the girls do look practically Caucasian afterwards. I've always found this a tad strange but never had a problem with it. What I do have a problem with is hypocrisy. No one is ever in those comments dragging them like they do if, god forbid, a white girl wants to be tan, wear cat eye makeup, or have plump lips, etc.
I swear white people think you gotta use your whole eyeball to see 😭
I’m white and native american and my eyes are just naturally less “open”, and I can fucking see fine. But when I need an ID or something they’re always like “Can you open your eyes wider?” and I try to (Cause how tf do you do that?) and they’re like “No not like that!” when my eyebrows go too. Like-
It annoys me cause every other time in my life my eyes are fine. People expect your eyes to show the whole eyeball for some reason
@@Cybeldina The difference is white people aren’t oppressed for being white-
@@Cybeldina yeah I agree, any cat eye or fox eye tutorial immediately gets bombarded
@@DeathnoteBB White people are oppressed every day. Your refusal to acknowledge those experiences is racist and disgusting.
The oli London tweets praising Ariana killed me :’D
I'm an Indian, so not the type of Asian we're discussing, but I honestly feel so disgusted by her using common Asian features to profit off of. I like her, and I like her music, but this is absolutely horrible. Non-asians should not be having a say in this matter, they shouldn't be defending her when they're not the ones whose facial features are being used for profit.
And can we please remember, bad publicity is still publicity. She still gains money when we talk about her, even if it's bad(towards her).
fr because shes big no ones calling her out
Everyone's talking about it tho
im not asian so i cant speak on behalf of asians, but as someone who's black and has always been bullied for how i looked and how my body was shaped, seeing so celebs praised for those features, i completely get the frustration. shes definitely done stuff like this too many times to continue getting away with it.
love the black+asian solidarity, keep it goin 🤝
Nowadays, beauty standards are shifting more towards black and Asian beauty. It’s good that people other than white are now being appreciated and upheld as beautiful! To a certain extent, anyone who has their finger on the pulse of fashion is going to end up making themselves look more black or Asian because that’s what’s in fashion right now. I wish more people would keep that in mind. But some people definitely take it too far. I think Ariana crossed the line with that pic where her eyelids are edited out. We can be inspired by a wide range of beauty types without putting on an ethnicity costume.
Tbh ariana is the the clear cut representation of a toxic fanbase and pretty priilige i cant talk over her trying to look asian or asian baiting cuz im not asian. However i can talk abt how she black fishes and excessivly tans. YOU CAN VE WHTE STOP
It’s the eyelids that really get me. I don’t know if they’ve been photoshopped out or surgically altered, but that to me is her crossing the line of ‘Asianfishing’.
I love how you’re so chill
there's something inherently wrong in the term "asianfishing". these people are copying korean/southeast asian features, asia is a whole ass continent with various countries and ethnicities. you'll be surprised to see how different south asian people look if your idea of "asian" is limited to kpop stars. its so hurtful as a south asian when people use the term "asianfishing" to denote solely southeast/east asian features, as if other asians don't fit the "asian aesthetic".
@Victoria Amber the term weaboo and koreaboo already exist for people trying to look like southeast asian cultures🤷♀️ or while talking about the specific case of "asianfishing" the particular asian area whose features are being appropriated can be mentioned, like "asianfishing of south east asian features"/ "south east asian fishing"
Thank you for speaking out on this! I'm Pakistani and many people will say 'BuT YoU ArEN't aSiaN' like ?? those fools obviously failed geography but what you say is absolutely right!
@@Prettiestoutoftheprettiest What she/he/they meant was that they use the term "asian fishing" to refer to someone who tries to look EAST Asian, however the "asian fishing" should refer to the whole of asia if a person is actually doing it. Why call it "asian fishing" if it's only gonna refer to east Asia? Asia isn't just Korea, japan, Vietnam or China. There's a lot more than those countries and if someone is gonna refer to "asian fishing" They should use it in the context of the whole of asia. And may I correct you as a South Asian that east Asians and south Asians do NOT look the same. Your stereotypical east Asian will have a monolid, have a small forehead, look pale, thin lips and etc. However, the stereotypical south Asians have the vice versa. Double eye lids, not too big, but still big, forehead, tanned skin etc. Sure, not every asian looks the same, but if someone refers to south asian or east Asian, this will be their first description which comes to mind.
Ikr!!! Like I'm Afghan and my cousin literally told me that they're scared to say they're asian cuz ppl won't believe them like tf
@@Lalala37282 fr they call us Afghans middle easterners or arabs. Bruh middle easterners are just west asians and Afghans are Central Asian. They just can't accept that Asia is so so diverse. Let alone if they find out that Afghanistan has many different ethnic groups which can look so diverse.
It’s okay to look your own race…come on now. I get it some other races have features you want but there is such a thing as taking it too far.
It is okay either to be not. It is okay to change your appearance to look like a boy or a girl but when race, it is not? Do you think this is a logical argument though?
@@archive2500 let’s focus on one thing at a time…the thing with race swapping is each race goes through their own struggles and hate and the fact people can borrow a race when it’s convenient is not okay…e.g people black fishing and stereotypically depicting what a black person looks like or acts . Like we are not a monolith…however I get your point on the whole gender swapping but that’s a separate debate even though it has similar ideologies…it was not the point I’m trying to make.
she looks the same as always on the voice is the make up and the lightning god yall are so sensu
@@khanyi8512 but each gender go through their own struggles too so how is it any different? If a white person making themself look Asian is bad then wouldn’t a man making himself look like a woman be bad as well?
@@joelmurray2217 yeah…I’ve practically been hinting I don’t wanna debate this topic but duly noted. You have a good point there definitely.
Because pretty privilege is real and that your social image matters so much. She's famous, pretty, and has the perfect nice girl persona, of course people can only love her.
Ariana is from United States. Not from Italy. Also, those are nationalities! Not races! USA people are so weird!
she is from italian descent though. but yeah she's an american-born italian ig
@@phantomlord5568 thing is…descent does not make you belong to that nationality…
@@JMBBrasil makes sense
not sure if ari got her eyelids edited out in the pictures, but her eyelids have definitely gotten less apparent as a result of her plastic surgeries-- allegedly a ponytail facelift could also explain why her eyes look pulled back and her eyebrows look more raised than older photos
@@telepathicmagicshop it’s a pretty common procedure, lots of girls get it to get that fox eye look
Yep the fox eye is the new thing . Get a facelift to pull up your brows or use threads to pull them up.
It's strange how people admit her eye shape change is stereotypical to Asians, but most people are fine getting lip injections and butt enhancement which are both known to be stereotypical African features.
I feel like Ariana has a lot of immunity and a lot of it is due to society’s unconscious bias towards people with the “halo effect”. She can’t do wrong according to her fans. I appreciate you bring up this topic because it needs to be discussed. Of course she’s not Oli London but as you’ve pointed out, there are similarities. I guess if Oli wanted to be more appreciated in doing his plastic surgery, he should take notes from Ariana Grande. Might be too late though
Your editing is just ✨
It's so sad that ppl treat race as a fashion.
As a minority myself(I’m black) I’d like to say BE AWARE if you ARENT Asian, you can speak your mind, but YOU ARE NOT THE MINORITY THIS SITUATION IS FOCUSED ON. We need to respect another/a minority’s opinions and approaches on things directed towards them. And support each other and listen and learn. I hope my point gets across… And have a good day, night, Afternoon or evening❤️.
Edit:since people don’t consider I’m speaking from an American perspective as I see news about an American women. No shit it’s different in other places and that Asians and POC aren’t as much a minority if at all in other countries, islands etc.🙄 Sorry my bad for thinking y’all had the common sense to know that it’s common sense. And if you think I’m trying to be a hero for saying what I said that’s gross. It’s just human decency and common sense.
Why are we use the word minority for 4.7 billion people on earth? Not everything is American on the internet.
@@jojosumit7690 yeah, it really pisses me off how everything is viewed from an American perspective. I don’t agree with Ariana’s actions at all but calling Asians a minority is just completely wrong.
I think they used the term minority because the issue is coming out of American/western media. From a western perspective, bipoc are still minorities.
Bruh most of us actual Asians dont give a shit.
@@jojosumit7690 wait we what?
Girl one of the first things that pops up if you search "is Arianna Grande...." is "Is Arianna Grande Black?". Also things like "Is Arianna Grande Hispanic?, Asian?,etc" 💀
Hispanic isn't a race, that means just people who speak Spanish xD
@@la.mu.sa10 Well Hispanic is more of an ethnicity to me. Hispanic does means Spanish speaking though, like Mexican, Colombian,etc. Then there's Latin(a/o/x) which doesn't doesn't necessarily mean Spanish speaking. Idk girl but I'm Mexican and Hispanic isn't a race but its an ethnicity so close enough 💀
@@oliviap.1370 No, literalmente solo confundes términos, los brasileños son latinos más no hispanos, y sí, tú y yo somos hispanas porque hablamos español, pero no significa que sea una raza o etnia, porque no lo es, lo único que haces es tratar de justificar tu confusión y pues no jajajaja
I was always wondering if you’re wearing contacts because you had blue eyes in every video. Now that I have seen both, I think both looks great.
She black faced for years lol
Not she didn't
No she blackfished
@@amayamaseheart same difference 😂✋🏾 it's modern day blackface my guy
@@bambi3595 Yeah I kinda agree tho 😂
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Shes switching her -positions- races for you~
Why are you speaking so smoothly... so smoooth....just used to screaming youtubers
WAIT THATS ACTUALLY ARIANA GRANDE I THOUGHT Y'ALL WERE JOKING 😰
She's american anyways, with italian origins
Just wanted to specify that as an Italian myself
EXACTLY THANK U
Ariana Grande - has a fanbase, incredible toxic to the point no one wants to deal with them
Oli London - no fanbase, pretty much hated by everyone.
I’m half Korean but the drawing and the word play Ari gato Grande hilarious 🤣 I haven’t laugh this much in awhile. the lights make you look lighter but it’s the photoshop that changes facial features. Ariana has a asian airline stewardess look and her cute bow on her neck in that picture
Harsh flash would make all her features disappear but it only affected her eyelids?? These excuses by toxics are crazy 🙄
oh my gosh. 8:38 buying "skins" I cant!!!! ROFL
Ed giving us an Ara Ara like he doesn't know how weird the internet is!!
Edit: adele, tinashe, and now Ariana are kpop af
What does ed ,adele or tinashe have do with ariana.
Bro Kpop companies copied tinashe what are you talking about 😩
@@rhea1671 exactly! Like it's so obvious that many groups copied her!!
Stop it ed doesn't made a whole video to start a fan and anti war
I’m convinced that whatever ariana grande does she will be able to get away with it because of her huge fanbase , not just with this but also when her tan was too dark and had a slight blaccent no one actually tried to do anything they just turned it into a meme and that was it , when Maddison beer says she’s natural she gets called “fake “ but when ariana denies her nose job it’s silent .....
Almond eyes being the best eye shape has been a thing since like the 20’s, my grandma would tell my mom that and my mom would tell me.
I never thought somebody was actually gonna talk about this, I'm surprised af but in the best way possible
i am obseeeessed with 2 different colored contacts matching the split dye that is so cool... anyway it does seem like she's trying to look like asian beauty standards but yeah she never really claims an asian persona so idk if she's really asianfishing... also screw oli but them claiming ariana is so funny and shady
Oli London's camera: 👁️👄👁️
"I am too tired for a new year." 👏😩🤚 yessssss.....
I'm Japanese and I grew up in the US and always got picked on for my eyes and flatter facial features. And as much as it SUCKS to know that the exact things I was bullied for as a kid are now somehow popular and "in trend", it's really not anyone's fault nor is it a bad thing in my opinion. (at least kids like me are less likely to get picked on now right?)
And as for Ariana, I honestly am not THAT bothered. I personally wouldn't call it "Asian-fishing", although it does feel dangerously close. It just seems like she's changed her makeup and style to go along with what's popular, which resulted in her looking a bit Asian, because the makeup styles that are popular right now are ones previously mostly used by East Asians(mostly Koreans). Also I do feel like the fact that it's such a stark difference from her past style has a hand in how shocking it is.
5:25 It's so funny how Oli put Micheal Jackson as a "Transracial" when it's common knowledge that he had vitiligo 💀
NAUUR why does oli keep putting micheal jackson up 😭 he just had vitiligo brooo
PLS I RUSHED TO THE COMMENTS FOR THIS poor michael❤️❤️❤️💓💕😫
Oli’s tweet is hilarious. It sounds satire and so dystopian at the same time cuz you know he is not joking. I would delete my existence if he said that to me.
He is joking
Oli is literally the biggest troll out there, he's not dumb by any means, he knows exactly what he's doing. And the worst thing is, that he's actually successfull with what he's doing.
She was mixed black looking during the summer because she tans in the summer but now she has monolids and pale skin in the winter because apparently you change your facial structure as a white person.
It is quite sus how some celebs change their features based on what race is ‘trending’ at the time - i mean makeup is never that deep, but its almost bittersweet seeing your native features that as a BAME (black, asian minority ethnic group) you’ve probably been bullied for now being seen as attractive because a _white person_ wore it :/ It just speaks to what our society thinks of us.
It won’t be long until they move onto the next race when they bored of the k-trends🤦🏾♀️
have yall heard of frenchie tho, i forgot her changed named, she changed her skin to BLACK and permed it curly, and moved to an african tribe i believe? and they accepted her LOL
That's insane
The funny thing is they accepted her, but if they want tho
That’s another woman lmao, she started doing it years before Frenchie
Wtf
The Asian fishing being overused is so real tbh. I actually think assuming that eyeliner is Asian fishing is super orientalist by itself, considering that most ppl associate eyeliner with geisha.
ed how come you’re getting prettier by day . also the koreana grande literally killed me my soul be typing thus comment 😭😭😭😭 very interesting about the subtle plastic surgeries and procedures. i’ve come to realize this is how most asian artists will also gradually look better and better without really “changing”, it’s amazing but also kinda surreal
Yeah she's definitely playing into two cultures, because when she's on a show like The Voice she's wearing things that make her look sweet and cute which is associated with Asian culture. When not but just a season ago she was talking about "I want it I got it" excessively tanned dancing up top a low rider outside of a trap house. If this isn't the same thing Jesy was scrutinized for. There's a whole trend on tiktok where Asian kids are asking their parents what race Ariana grande is in that photo, and they're saying Japanese or Korean only to be shocked to find out that it's Ariana Grande.
I love your cadence, so calming. And comedic timing!