What if France Won The Seven Years War?
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The Seven Years War was a turning point in European history. The traditional European superpowers of France and Austria faced off against two European underdogs, Britain and Prussia. Both these rivalries would be largely decided in this war. Would Britain be able to destroy the French colonial empire, paving the war for British global hegemony? And would Austria be able to crush Prussia, take back Silesia, and return to their natural state of hegemony over the German states.
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What if america made a few more land Purchases.
Purchase of britsh Columbia.
Purchase of Greenland.
Purchase of Baja California.
Purchase of the English carribean.
Purchase of English Belize.
great video man
Please do what if the boers won the 2nd boer war
The french king was already implementing reforms, so a world where france had more time before the revolution is actually one where I think It could be prevented.
Yeah,that comment about the french revolution sounded like a kind of predererminism.
idk man the french situation pre-revolution was pretty ridiculous, and Louis XVI from what I know was a pretty ineffectual leader in his lack of sway over the nobility and the parlements to actually pass any reforms. plus after a century of enlightenment agitation, ie liberalism, nationalism, anti-christianity, pre-socialism, I think that a revolution would regardless be the most likely way for the popular outrage after the estates general convention to materialize, correct me if I'm wrong tho
@@jalghazi Louis XVI was hated because HE DID carry reforms. They were liberal reforms which destroyed France economy
The revolution wasn't inevitable. But major reforms were inevitable.
@@jalghazi I think what the narrator forgets here is the effect of the Industrial Revolution, being only aa couple of decades later. Regardless of whether Louis manages to implement reforms, the changes would happen far more slowly in this new timeline, where France wins the 7 years War. The ultimate worldwide effect of this would be that Britain would end up even more powerful in this timeline, because withit already having decentralisation of power through its constituency parliamentary democracy, it can harness and synergise the effect of the Industrial Revolution, countrywide, which is what happened, in our timeline.The difference here would be that the Aristocracy in france would hold the social mobility necessary, to harness the effects of the Industrial Revolution, countrywide in France, as it was able to do so in our The Current timeline, being in such close proximity to Britain, where the Industrial Revolution originated.
Therefore, after the 7 Years War, whatever losses Britain has, or gains it fails to make, will be taken within a few decades, as Britain would become a far more dominant military power in the short to medium-term and any war with France, during the next few decades after the Industrial Revolution, would be a crushing British victory with the mechanised and steam powered gunboats
The fact that Spain is not even mentioned in a 20 minute video about the 7 years war is concerning. Granted, they were a declining second level power at best, but their navy and American holdings were still something to consider, and given how bizarre their participation was, entering the war when it was mostly lost in the losing side, it had a lot of potential for being different.
It is mentioned multiple times
I think that 1816 would be a strong candidate for a year in which a revolution of sorts would be triggered in France. That was The Year Without a Summer, thanks to the Tambora volcanic eruption, and bad harvests led to extensive hunger across much of Europe for a year. If bad harvests were the trigger for revolution in a greatly indebted France in our timeline, then a France whose debt crisis was pushed off by a generation might similarly face revolution a little over a generation later, when the next major climactic event led to mass famine.
What if Sweden won the great Northern War.
What if you died?
They almost did, it’s just they failed at the end of the war to defeat Russia
Yeah I know my country came close but just didn't make it.
@@danielduhzgaming3070 They were betrayed by Cossack actually.
Depends on how much the losers are defeated.
Crushing defeat: Sweden now a dominant power in the North and Northeast of Europe, begins an Era of self focus and creates puppet states in Poland and Russia. Their enemies so absolutely destroyed, the Swedes enjoy peace and prosperity. All the Napolion would either need to ally Sweden or lose quickly. History after Napolionic war(s) has way too many possibilities to predict.
A non-crushing defeat: Sweden is dominant for a few decades, but can't withstand rebelions and slowly fades in power. If properly managed, the Sweds leave most of the won land before it becomes impossible to hold it. Sweden remains a powerful state in Northern Europe and doesn't decline like it did in our timeline.
“Apart from Oceania, all continents saw significant fighting” The French and British fighting in Antarctica:
If you want a scenario of Global French hegemony they need to win the war of Spanish succession. With the control of both this countries France would have been unstoppable.
Except that the Industrial Revolution happening in Britain had just as much of a dramatic impact on securing British dominance, globally as did the numerical and technological superiority of the Royal Navy. you may be right, but not sure how things will pan out, because there is way to many occurrences to evaluate differently, in that scenario
What if giant sea monsters lived in the oceans and attacked any ships they encountered, making sailing across them extremely dangerous to impossible?
That would be good scenario
I Thought this did happen. Didn't you see pirates of the Caribbean? Wasn't that a true historical depiction?
England you mean?
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@@augthBritain, mor precisely
Largely agree with the conclusions here, but I would not be so certain that the French Revolution would still happen. The French Revolution was very much the result of a perfect storm of bad decisions, poor timing and general trends.
Getting this extra income from their colonies for at least a few decades could buy the Monarchy the needed time to implement reforms (which they were already doing in our timeline).
Louis XV could easily just not restore the parlements, which would make Louis XVI's job much easier when it comes to implementing reforms, and thus he would not need to call the Estates General.
Even if something resembling the revolution still happens and reforms fail, it could look very different. It could end with a limited monarchy, which almost happened in 1790.
I would like to see a world in which Miguel da Paz survived to inherit the throne of Portugal, Castile and Aragon. How would that change things?
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It depends on if Miguel is competent or not.
It's also good to note that initially, despite huge population disadvantage, the French were doing better than the British in America, until around 1758. Many in Britain wanted to surrender then because they thought whatever the future would bring they would be in a worse position to negotiate. William Pitt rising to power in England was the decisive factor as he was very determined and ultimately led the British colonies to victory. Keeping that in mind, another point of divergence could be Pitt not coming to power or him dying or whatever, a pro-peace politician taking his place. France would be in a stronger position to negotiate and could very much take territory, probably at least Acadia which the British had taken in 1713 and where they were committing genocide against the French settlers and their Indian allies.
When you say "Indian allies"...
I totally despise total victory lol, it's a rare thing to have a complete victory without making dissapear a nation, and even when it happens, the cost of victory is greater than the need for land and stuff.
well... let's not forget that after the 7 years war, the French navy started to modernize to the point it's one of the main factor of the Americans wining the independence war (The battle of Yorktown was won on the ground with the precious support of the French and because the British navy couldn't intervene after the battle of Chesapeake. Also, the French navy was attacking in India, blockading Gibraltar and demonstrating near Southampton.)
The revolution came mostly from 3 factors combined:
- The lumières, the enlightened peoples who were preaching for more liberties had given more expectation to the masses.
- 2 years of bad harvest that caused famine
- the cost of aiding the Americans... war is far from being cheap and the ow independent Americans didn't repay the loans nor the cost of the French deployment all around the world that served to harass the Brits and forced them to accept their loss. The French coffer were empty at a bad time and the monarchy couldn't tax the aristocracy that was its main support at a bad time (The king was not Louis XIV anymore, who could raise a brow to command the whole aristocracy.)
I really apreciate your work man, your what if scenarios are incredible!
Keep up the good work, your videos are amazing and well thought out.
Hmmm interesting point of view for this scenario. Although, there are few things you brought up that surprised me :
-the population of New France at that time : I've always heard and read from historians and history nerds that the famous 70k people exclusively included the people categorized as "French", more precisely French people directly coming from Europe like most in the government and military PLUS "French" sedentary colonial Canadiens well registered PLUS Catholic Amerindians, but that it didn't include doubtlessly all colonials especially those wondering around the continent like "voyageurs" and "coureurs des bois", neither the Acadiens in disputed regions, and even less all non-converted Amerindian people allied to the French/Canadiens coalition ;
-the conquest of New France : it sounds to me you imply that in this scenario the British would have to invest massively to break the stalemate there in the hypothetical situation that they wouldn't dominate and conquer easily like they did in reality ... but, from what I learned, the British did invest a lot to conquer Canada by mobilizing quite a large armada (which I believe almost half of it sank in the St-Lawrence gulf and river) to make a large army of European regulars cross the ocean, because precisely the British garrison and Colonials/future Americans and their few Native allies were unsuccesful to sweep swiftly across New France, as it was more or less a stalemate until the huge reinforcements from Europe arrived in Eastern Canada bending the New France coalition to divide forces and progressively retreat, therefore letting American colonials to sweep across the Ohio valley, Louisiana, the Great lakes and finally reaching Montreal about at the same moment the siege of Quebec city ended. So, from my point of view, the massive investments to conquer New France (especially the colony of "French" Canada) is unsuccesful this time ;
-the unlikeliness for France to build a navy strong enough : since in your scenario France keeps Canada, I thought you would have proposed that France starts investing in the timber industry there like the British did after the conquest of the country which seems to have greatly helped to assure their uncontested naval construction supremacy afterward. Therefore, it could give France more options in India like you brieftly mentionned. But I understand that you think France is economically weak regardless the win (and not investing massively in the American revolution) (which surprises me a bit too)
Great job man. I really enjoyed it.
It’s a shame you don’t have much subscribers, you have an excellent quality of video and good theories…. Love from france🇫🇷🇫🇷
I really enjoyed the video!
Hi! As a French, I was waiting for you to do this script. I am sure it will be great!
Our French language would have been the most widely spoken if he had won the Seven Years War and the Napoleonic War.
@@christophermichaelclarence6003 oui
Great video as always Mr. Potential! It is quite interesting that, at the end nothing too much changed for France and that you realized that there is probably going to be another war very soon in this timeline. I am excited for your next video and hope you can reach 10k subs by the end of the month
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Fantastic video!
Nice video! I have some consideration to share though.
If the French don't have to help the Americans fight the British in the Revolutionary war France finances are much much better.
Considering how the war would go even in this scenario, wouldn't France do something to strenghten their position in North America or even (thanks to a much better economy)rebuild their navy to challenge Britain's position in the seas?
Spanish empire? Without a French Revolution Spain shouldn't lose its colonies when they did, especially without the example of a successful American Revolution, that is going to be a major change
What about French politics for eastern Europe? In their centuries-old strugges with the Habsburgs, the French tried more than once to extend their influence in Poland and partnered with Sweden and the Ottomans; I would imagine they would try to have a presence in that region even in this scenario.
To be honest, I'm not so convinced the Brits would have such an easy time regaining their position in India, it depends how the politics evolve in the region without them, which is hard to tell.
Exactly I think if the Brits fell down enough they could even be the ones to get a revolution! Maybe they give republicanism a second shot
You forgot about the Industrial Revolution, as did this narrator. Other narrators did incorporate the effect of that and if France won this war, that keeps it autocratic, at least for the near future, which ends up as an impediment to the Near future of France, because in our timeline, with its more decentralised power, after the Napoleonic wars and the constitution, it was able to keep up with Britain(relatively), being in such close proximity to the dramatic innovations occuring there. Autocracies always hold development and innovation back, because it threatens their position Of power.
Before the Aristocracy realised it, Britain would have gunboats with mechanised steam power and would wreck France in any conflicts in the Following few decades, before the French could start to modernise, in a panic. The US and French revolutions happening, at the end of the 18th-century, was iIronically crucial for those countries, to Check British power, in terms of a widening disparity between the global powers and keep only marginally behind, as British inventions and innovations mechanically started to launch human, technological development into a speed of accomplishment, that made the last 6000 years, seem like a snails pace
@@Rowlph8888 You make a fair point. To me it remains unclear whether Britain has the ability to form the capitals you need for a full fledged industrial revolution without controlling Bengal.
Besides that the inevitable political backlash could have impredictable repercussions, maybe there is indeed a new republican revolution in Britain but it fails and the king manages to strengthen his power.
@@pumaconcolor2855 Well, you could be right, without the revenue from bengl, it would certainly be less impactful, but the steam engine precursor was invented in 1712 by Newcombe, before the 7 years War, so I think the Industrial Revolution still would have happened, in Britain, so consequently trains, textile, agricultural inventions.I guess revenue would be reduced(In the short-term), but a steam powered fleet would still be achieved and consequently dominance on the seas, therefore claiming territories(Such as bangal), probably would have later than in this timeline.
As for legal, economic and political structures in Britain, don't forget that Britain was already a constituency-based parliamentary democracy, which had pretty much isolated the Crown, because by the time of the Industrial Revolution.Since the English Bill of Rights (1689), following the English Civil War, the king had gradually lost power over the next 50 years an Parliament eventually had total control (Whig oligarchy). The American constitution was drafted based on English civil and human rights legislation since the Charter of liberties (1100) and the Magna Carta (1215), as the founding fathers made many of the amendments (other than Second Amendment), based on rights that they were denied in the colonies, that they were entitled to as British subjects and that subjects in Britain were receiving. Then in turn helping to draft the American Thomas Jefferson helped laFayette, in drafting the French constitution.
Crucially, though, if the French won the 7 years War, then there is not necessarily an American revolutionary war, and. Unlikely to be a French one, for several decades "at least" . Republican France, , although greatly diminished from the catastrophe of the Napoleonic wars, managed to start industrialising from the mid-19th-century, so it definitely would have been slower, if France remained an autocracy and the colonies would have been enabled a quick transfer of industry from Britain, if they remained under the Crown, meaning that vast natural resources from the US landmass, would have been available, to Britain, even if they didn't get Bengal.But I think industrial gunboats, would have claimed Bengal regardless. But on this topic, I repeat that I think France probably would have lost everything and then panicked and tried to industrialise to catch up
Nice to see an alt history channel that just puts forth likely scenarios rather than trying to push personal views onto that imaginary history. Great content.
Love these videos
finally a good alternate history scenario video
Not really, he forgot the impact of the Industrial Revolution, which is the most impactful thing.If France remains as an autocratic power, it wouldn't be able to take advantage of the Industrial Revolution happening in search close proximity, in Britain, as effectively as it ddid with It's more decentralised power countrywide, In our timeline. In this timeline, Britain would be far more powerful, Having harnessed the Industrial Revolution with gunboats. Ironically, it would wreck France in any wars in the Following few decades and take more land
The best way to show my favourite war.
Thanks for making these videos. Alternate history is usually pretty cringe, but I like the thoughtful approach and the support for your argument by actual history.
Great video love your work. If I’m not mistaken part of the plan of the Austro-French Alliance was that France would have been given the Austrian Netherlands in the event of a victory in exchange for its assistance to Austria. The wealth of the now French Netherlands, wealth from India and French America, a more popular monarchy due to the victory, and the lack of financing an American revolution may very well completely butterfly or at least ameliorate the French Revolution. Also slight map nitpick, I believe that after Prussia’s defeat the plan was to give Saxony a strip of land to connect it to Poland which it was in Personal Union with and East Prussia was indeed to be given to Poland but Russia would be compensated for it with all lands East of the Dnieper River.
While the British Navy was the strongest of any nation in that time, they hadn't become completely dominant until the Napoleonic Wars. After all, the French navy played a decisive role in the Battle of Yorktown.
Yes, but With France winning this war, they wouldn't take the same advantage of the Industrial Revolution, as they did in our timeline, therefore Britain would become More dominant sea power, than it did in our timeline, with its Steam powered mgunboats. France will eventually start to take advantage of its close proximity to Britain, whilst the dramatic inventions started to take effect, But this always happens more slowly, with the aristocracy holding back the change necessary to maximise and synergise invention
@@Rowlph8888 I agree. While France could've surpassed Britain in the short term (a couple years to a decade), but Britain was definitely in a much better position for long term domination.
Jokes on you Spain and France did a blockade to Britain during American independence
@@zamirroa Nobody here is denying that. Absolutely instrumental effect on winning the war for the US. Ultimately had very negative effects on all 3 European countries, though, in the long run, if you consider the situation they would have been in had France won the 7 years War, or If They stayed out and Britain won the War of Independence.
All 3 would be in a much better position now and the USA and Germany would not exist to challenge their Hegemony - there is no way a strong France, dominant on the continent, would have allowed the unification of the German states
Nice job
Great video
Great work as always, your videos are so good. One thing I think might be worth it’s own video is if the American revolution just didn’t happen. I’m not entirely sure the American revolution would still happen with a British defeat in the 7 years war since any expansion would be a British supported conquest of New France. Britain and the Thirteen Colonies would have a much better relationship by extension and, assuming Britain started taxing the colonies around the same time, taxation wouldn’t be used as a justification for war anymore since people would likely be used to it by then. In a weird way, I actually think the British empire comes out of this timeline stronger by adding the industrial might of America to it.
Yes, this is obvious and I'm surprised more people don't mention this.The Industrial Revolution Would happen in Britain, regardless of whetther it Have any colonies, because the parliamentary democracy following the glorious Revolution, the centralised banks practising fractional reserve investment banking e.g. Lloyds and Barclays and the findings of coal and many metals in Britain. during this period would obviously need to a lower key Industrial Revolution, but ultimately the invention of the steam engine leads to steam powered gunships within 3 decades of this war and this in turn leads to "0" chance of a Revolution by the colonists.
In fact, in our timeline, having lost the Independence war, decades later, British industrialists and engineers Were eager and openly practising consultations in London, spreading skills and information to foreign nationals, including the US, French and German states, leading to their industrialisation, a few decades later. Without total hegemony "In this" timeline these industrialists would be far more insecure and covert about spreading these ideas, especially to colonists. In fact, the state would ensure it didn't happen due to "defence of national security"
The chances of independence in this timeline, to military force, are non-existent for the rest of the foreseeable history..Don't forget, that this timeline Leads to no chance of Germany, existing either, and therefore no 1st and Second World Wars.. This timeline leads to British and French hegemony for hundreds of Years globally
no/later french revolution, american independence and no unified germany, its so interesting that a scenario in which not much changes immediately will have such an enormous change for the world.
i learn more about the actual 7 years war in an alternat history video than i learned in school
I think that what comes after depends on if France force the British to hand over there navy. I know it’s unlikely since it’s there main protection but with no distraction in mainland Europe, Spain, France and a bit of Austria could menace British mainland.
I would like to see your analysis / predictions on how this scenario of French victory would impact the fate of the about-to-be balkan national states as our struggles and revolutionary wars against the Ottomans where just about to begin
"What if everything went perfect for Denmark" could be interesting. The Viking age or the Kalmar Union could be good events to focus on
Interesting take
Spain just chills in both results 😅👌
Amazing work man! I love how your videos are pretty realistically thought out, rather then just having France completely dominate Britain and Prussia, like so many other channels do.
New sub. But I kinda feel like you’re uploading too much. Always fear the day when alt history channels have no more to talk about, especially since your content is amazing. Just my opinion ofc and nothing important. You have gained a new sub btw ;)
Good video
The 7 years war should lowkey be called World War 1, thus shifting the OTL world wars to become World War 2 and World War 3 respectively. Or, If you want to consider the Napoleonic wars another world war, then World war 3 and world war 4 respectively.
With Prussia out of the war I don't see why France wouldn't have been able to invade the British Isles. They'd either have to completely focus on defending the channel OR defending their overseas territories. If they focus on the channel that limits their options to maneuver and increases chances that France can wipe out a significant part of their navy. Completely glossing over that possibility is a disservice to this scenario.
The Roya Navy was Fastly superior as this Narrator mentioned. Even in the War of Independence, Britain kept most of its fleet back in England, to defend against French, Spanish and Dutch attacks, whilst some of the fleet and army fought effectively and almost defeated the colonialists, he also had Spanish and French support in the colonies. Clearly, the Brits have the capability to fight on both fronts
I would suggest a video where spain was able to keep some of its colonies after Napoleon and Spain continued to be a major european power and remaining more active .
It might be interesting to explore "what if Henri IV were not assassinated?" He had sent Samuel de Champlain out to Canada to explore but more probably to find a new home for the French protestant community.
As an alternative scenario: What if the British won even more in the Seven Years War? I read one story (can't remember the name offhand, I apologize, but it involved this ATL traveling to OTL where a US FBI agent had to deal with them, I think), where I believe the turning point was Pitt the Elder staying in power and getting his wish to prolong the war against France and gaining even more concessions and territories in the end. Additionally, Pitt the Elder's sympathies for the American colonists keeps them in the Empire, solidifying British global power even earlier than OTL and providing a base for Britain - backed by the manpower and resources of a loyal British North America - to expand further and dominate the world through the 19th Century and into the 20th. I'd be interested to see your thoughts on such a POD.
What if the Egypte Austria and Russia attacked the otoman Empire when the Greek Revolution happened-started
France and Britain would of probably intervened to prevent Russia from gaining significant territory. Egypt would become a major rising power in the eastern Mediterranean like it was in real history and Britain would have still probably intervened to weaken Egypt and prevent it from being a significant power in the eastern Mediterranean and near east.
It just seals egypts fate and colonization by the British earlier while the Russians have their own little Crimean war over it.
Hey, i was wondering if you could do a scenario where 9/11 didnt happend like You said on your video in wich india wasnt partitioned. I think it would very interesting. Thanks.
a good video
Having the switch of Russia not happen could have the weird effect of delaying the rule of Catherine the Great.
I think that if Catherine moved earlier and took power before the war ended, then this scenario could happen.
11:01 POSSIBLE that we lose? I'm American and I know for sure that we would have lost
Only siths deals in absolutes
@@blecao Ha ha! Good reference.However, only an idiot would think that the colonists could defend against the Royal Navy and British Army, without the support of the European powers, which was extensive military and economically
Prussia destroyed is even quite a probable scenario if one considers that Frederick II. king of prussia was nearly killed in battle several times. One single bullet finding her mark would have changed history for sure.
God has certainly shone on the German people throughout history. Any scenario of Prussian Success prior to the 7 years War, or the Spanish succession are remote in any scenario, and especially the way It pannedout, but not only would virtually any other scenario except the fan boy czar reacting so crazily to save Prussia, lead to the breaking up of German states into even more piecemeal status, with so many other ethnic groups separating any chance of unification in the future, but also after both world wars later, Judging reckonings on other nations in similar circumstances throughout history, e.g. Carthage and those trying to fight the Mongol Empire, Germany was incredibly fortunate to not be Treated far more severely, especially after World War II.
A world where the commonwealth survive would be interesting for sure indeed it use to be a super powerful at some point could it be the polical landscape either it was quite ahead of its time
O what would happen to the netherlands at this point? Because if I remember correctly the stadhouders were put back in place by the prussains. That might also be an interesting alt his. Would this second dutch republic become relevent again or become like the rein of terror in france?
Would it be possible to mobilize the people in the spanish Americas? idk know the population but it must be close or even higher that the one in the thirteen colonies.
Exactly my thoughts
Idk the whole situation but maybe Spain did not tried hard enough to win, its not early 19th century spain, the country was still in relatively good shape
That could be the turning point of this war in the Americas. There was atleast a population of 10 million throught out Spanish America.
The Spanish could mobilize maybe around 25k from the Viceroyalties to reinforce New France.
It just depends whether or not the Spanish see it worth to invest into the conflict.
Idk how France could compensate Spain, maybe Ports in India if they had won.
@@joshithegreat5303 Spain participated on this war only due to the family treaties it has no interest on it apart from it ending, they wherent going to or need more american holdings and they had no interest on india as well, they had nothing to win from the conflict
Spain could mobilize to a 80-100k troops for a war in America but that means all troops avaiblre, it could be even more but that would hurt their economy. Now Spain in Europe at his maximum capacity could mobilize 500.000 but thaeans in a decenario where Spain could prepare with anticipation.
This was very cool! With Russia potentially becoming an Austrian Enemy, I imagine that the Austrian Empire will still happen. What I also imagine is that an economically stronger Austria (with Silesia) will probably be a lot more modern and perhaps the people in it would become more united against a Russian threat!
Although I imagine that at some point some other country would try to unite Germany. Perhaps Saxony? 🤷♀️
5:58 Bengal is now a danish colony lol
2:13 when you go outside and you smell that zaza
American Revolution had only bare majority support if that in OTL. A revolution delayed by decades means no revolution, with an 1867-Canada-like solution for the more populous lower colonies by the 1820s. It’s independent as a few smaller “countries” eventually, but with the House of Hanover for longer as butterflies from repercussions as low-level as weather alter the King’s and Queen’s schedule enough to ensure the more likely outcome of sons higher in the line of succession having at least one son.
Can You make What if cold War never ended
I think that with the french austrian russian aliancce broken we migth return to the old austrian and french rivalry wich would in turn mean that they need to seek for more allies with Austria and Rusia having collaborated on the war of Polish succesion i think is plausible to think that they would retain some sort of alliance on the sort term and probably partition Poland themselfs but after Polands fall (or during it) the aliance would then crumble
What if the union of the romanian principalities by Mircea cel Batran persisted?
10:55 don't worry, I'm not russian, I can acknowledge when foreign aid was necessary in our victory in a world war
Ah but you still needed to pass the ball to someone else for your ego didn’t you?
What if the Tamerlane was a competent administrator and conquered more land and ensured his empires survival upon his Death
The cost for French making an equivalent navy would be so difficult to sustain that either the population becomes more resilient, maybe waiting for promises made by the monarch to lower the nobles' rent, or the Révolution starts earlier, but the size of the French navy and its noble officers help ending the Révolution early/ they don't abandon Revolutionary France and fight along the revolutionary authorities
With the talk of the French in North America, I wonder. What if British Quebec (i.e. Canada) joined the American revolution?
Something that should be considered that instead of being an opponent of revolutionary France, this reduced Prussia allies itself with the French in order to regain its former status.
This was a scenario I worked on for years back in the day. To see how realistically unchanged it is from reality is quite disappointing
Alright I've got an interesting one for you.
What would've happened if the industrial revolution happened in the 1600's? How would the Thirty Years War have changed if Europe had managed to achieve an early industrial revolution, or at least something similar to it.
Looking at what's happened globally to the environment, from the Industrial Revolution, starting in the early eighteen hundreds in our timeline,iif it started in the 1600s, I doubt we will have an inhabitable planet by now. There are great benefits to moving more slowly, damage happening more gradually and scientific developments being managed, which could cope better with the destruction that happened so dramatically quickly in our timeline
@@Rowlph8888 It is unlikely, if not outright impossible, for humans to be able to do anything to render the planet uninhabitable. More difficult to live in? Yes. But if a meteor 6 miles wide couldn't wipe out all life I don't think we could.
@@minutemansam1214 Well, that meteor did enough to wipe out the most complex forms of life, at that stage, that's all that matters. Nobody really knows for sure, as regards making the planet into some kind of rock. But it's pretty obvious that considering we are the only planet, in the known universe that lives in the "Goldilocks zone", enabling the "winning the lottery-like", multifaceted conditions, to coalesce simultaneously, required for human life, it seems highly logical and rational, that causing small changes in the balance of natural conditions, will be enough over time to fundamentally change our surroundings, to "at least" make certain species extinct, on the planet.Whether this means it becoming uninhabitable to the degree that it appears to be a barren wasteland, or uninhabitable only to the extent that human beings, or let's say species that require oxygen for survival, or species that require protection from the The Atmosphere on earth, to avoid certain cancer from radiation (the only planet with this) exist, is irrelevant.
All that matters is whether we as a species survive, and I would say with confidence that we are capable of causing the imbalances which lead to our extinction as a species.Start the warbird
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What if Frederick the third (Hohenzollern) lived longer.
What if h¡tler was more moderate and only wanted ethnically german regions? In this timeline his sole motivation is nationalism and not racial or anti-communist sentiment. The scenario is that he only wants the return of pre ww1 german territories on the european continent (west prussia including danzig upper silesia, nord schleswig, the sudetenland, memelland, eupen-malmedy and the german portion of alsace-lothringen) and to annex luxembourg, austria, south tyrol, and the german portion of switzerland.
The germans still defeat france, defeat the british at dunkirk and call for armistice with the british. Also in this timeline they never invade the soviet union, ally with italy and japan, and they dont declare war on the US.
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The actual First World War was the War of the League of Augsburg (1688-1697). Edit: A couple things of interest would be whether France would reform (Too much of an ask to portray however.) as I do not think the revolution was inevitable, whether Portugal would still join the War or just not help the British and whether a Franco-Spanish naval alliance would still exist. The naval alliance created a navy larger than Britain's and now more unified than the disaster in the Seven Years' War. An invasion of the British mainland was only averted by disease.
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Capybaras are amazing
I agree that the American Revolution would have been less likely, but not for the reason you said. In our timeline, all that new British territory out west was declared _off-limits_ for colonial settlers. The British wanted to leave it to the Natives so as to reduce conflicts with them in existing colonies. Taxation under those circumstances basically added insult to injury. Americans were essentially being asked to pay the British for land gains they were not allowed to use. Without those land gains, taxes would still have met with political objections, but possibly not as fervently.
Colonists would still have sparked conflicts on the border, as they had prior to the war.Taxation might have also been higher, due to the loss of other lucrative territories.
@@bobseven310 Oh sure, but I don't think that would have necessarily led to revolution. Also, Parliament would arguably been in a weaker political position since they did frame the taxes to some extent as compensation for "protecting" Americans from the French, which is a harder argument to make when you lost the war. Actually, I think if the French had won the French and Indian/Seven Years War, we'd have been more likely to get representation in Parliament, because it's a lot easier to say, "how can you say you don't need us to advise on our governance and use of our resources when you couldn’t even 'protect' us from the French?"
@@erraticonteuse The French bankrupted themselves to help the Americans win the war (who tanked them by just defaulting on their debt when France needed it most). They would not have done so had they won the 7 years war. They possibly would have even sided with England against the colonists.
So yea, maybe the revolution wouldn't have happened, or maybe it would have or failed. Hard to say. But one failed revolution doesn't mean that the UK would have a loyal colony there forever. A failed revolution would also have probably hampered the 13 colonies' growth, changing the course of history in unpredictable ways. But I don't think there would have been a "Dominion of the 13 colonies" loyal puppet like Canada. Those settlers weren't very loyal to begin with.
It was actually because in 1763, there was a massive native rebellion that nearly ended british rule west of the Appalacians.
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You forgot Sweden, Sweden sided with France during the war and invaded northern Prussia through Swedish Pomerania
I think the French having time to reform their system along with the wealth from India could theoretically push them into a parlimentary monarchy.
In this timeline I have to speak french!!!😳😳😳😳😳
Vive la france🎉
“Just Britain and Prussia”
Portugal with the largest part of Africa, more then all other powers in the war combined. half of South America and holdings elsewhere
The only true way France could have kept North America relies on a totally different colonisation strategy, starting from the XVIth century. As OP pointed, the major weakness of the French in America was the very low population. But as French colons lived and worked in the wild and seemed to have better relations with the Native People, they had a better advantage controlling the land. With a lot more population, especially in Québec, the English would have had an harder time conquering the Nouvelle France.
Empires showed that demography is a key point in establishing control over territories. Look how Québec is still culturally strong and lively. It's only due to population pressure.
What if the lechina empire actually existed
One of the most influential yet little discussed events in world history is the effect of Zoroastrianism. Their effects on early Judaism during the Jewish exile in Babylon cannot be understated. So what would happen os Zoroastrianism never took off ?
What if the Hapsburgs won the 30 years war
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Love how France IRL is the Vegeta of the world, second place since about a milenia
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For the majority of the millennia France was number one though. Like england was irrelevant from 1453-1648.
I see france had the same strategy of warfare as an EU4 colonial player
Spain and Portugal on the sidelines, forever unchanging.
As so many have said before: What if Sweden won the Great Northern War
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What if China collapsed during the Three Kingdoms Period and never reunited? What would the effects be in Europe and Asia?
What if the Greece won the battle of Petra in the Greek Revolution
If u think about it the seven year war was ww1 and rigth were looking at ww4
What if France inherited Burgundy
So what do you think would happen in Eastern Europe and Germany?
Could the UK try to create a replacament for Prussia within the HRE to counter France on the continent?
Could Poland play Austria and Russia off eachother to regain sovereignty?
Could rivarly over Ottoman lands spark early independence in the Balkans?
Would unification of Italy become less likely due to a stronger France?
they could maybe start and Boost stuff like Bavaria? i mean Brandeburg would be crippled but an Alliance with these two would work to an extant especially after Nationalism rises, but lets be real theres NO continental power able to counter France at that point merely due to population differance and the non prussian quality of the rest of Europe.
Unlikely that Poland manages much because of its own nobility being a**holes and easily corrupted.
Rivalry over Ottoman would work differantly with a stronger France that would likely not want either Austrian or Russian expansion, and a Garantee from France would likely slow things down similarly.
Depands on what will happen during the French revolution, the Kingdom wont like it, the Republic and Napoléon would help to an extand and Napoleon is talented enough that so long as he has the chance he would rise in military ranks far too good not too and the revolution would happen while hje lives anyway, although he would be older and wouldnt grow as quickly, likely stomping a good portion of his ambitions
@@erwannthietart3602 Babaria has no capability to face off against the main great powers they did figth mostly agaisnt Austria with heavy French support and where defeated multiple times that century one against Austria and the UK and another one mostly against Austria alone.
They have no interest in going against France and even less the means to do so
Obviously, Germany Wouldn't exist.A powerful France,wouldn't allow Bismarck to perfect his machinations.He only managed his brilliant unification strategy because France was weak, economically and militarily in the 1st half of the 19th century, due to Napoleon wrecking the economy. Also, the autocratic power remaining, France would not take such advantage, as it did in our timeline, of the Industrial Revolution in Britain. Autocratic power prevents social mobility and decentralisation necessary to fully Synergise the effects of such a movement.Therefore, Britain Would have developed the Gunboat and Before the aristocracy in France could realise what a dramatic difference this was going to make, they would lose wars everywhere globally against Britain.Therefore, Britain probably wouldn't really be bothered with what was going on in the continent, Just like in our timeline. Even with their mechanised advantages, France will always have a larger standing army and not being impoverished, like France was after the Napoleonic wars, in our timeline, Britain wouldn't risk fighting a militarily strong France, on the continent,It would just rule globally and through the seas more
@@erwannthietart3602 Without the french revolution and/or the napoleonic wars there might not even be a rise of nationalism or german nationalism as we know it.
@@Rowlph8888France led by Napoleon the Third made the economy grow more if it had continued to be a republic it would not have had the same impact