Conserving one of the oldest photographs in MoMA's collection | CONSERVATION STORIES

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  • Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
  • Tarnish is slowly engulfing one of the oldest objects in MoMA's collection, a daguerreotype from 1842 capturing two separate images-the Arch of Septimius Severus and Capitoline Lion in the Roman Forum. Within two years of the invention of photography, Joseph-Philibert Girault de Prangey, a French aristocrat, assembled a team to travel the Mediterranean and make over a thousand images of the region’s cities, people, and ruins. These early daguerreotypes projected images directly onto silver plates, like a mirror imprinting a reflection onto its polished surface. Akin to Polaroids, they were unique photographic objects that offered no convenient method of replication.
    In our second episode of Conservation Stories, Lee Ann Daffner, MoMA’s Andrew W. Mellon Foundation Conservator, explores the sensitive chemistry of removing tarnish from early photographic images. “There’s a real art and science to the cleaning,” Daffner explains. “Not only do you have to know the systems and materials and types of deterioration, but you need to know when to stop.”
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 93

  • @inuktittussen2164
    @inuktittussen2164 4 роки тому +419

    UA-cams algorithms of me watching Baumgartner, got me here.

  • @juliegreene975
    @juliegreene975 4 роки тому +350

    Being a middle school teacher I am struck with the serenity of her job.

  • @jeenkzk5919
    @jeenkzk5919 4 роки тому +178

    I love looking at early photographs! Though I love the paintings of the period, photography shows the actual person. It’s a moment in time that will never happen again but that moment is somewhat preserved.

  • @laurenwallis3319
    @laurenwallis3319 4 роки тому +103

    She sounds so thoughtful and intelligent and UGH, her hair is gorgeous!

  • @isaacbush3491
    @isaacbush3491 4 роки тому +100

    These videos are so, SO frickin cool. Bravo to MOMA for putting out this series in anticipation for the reopening. Please continue!

  • @MariaTorres-hc5uq
    @MariaTorres-hc5uq 4 роки тому +9

    1:17 the god damned camel moved...Sacré bleu!!

  • @pchinnIII
    @pchinnIII 4 роки тому +28

    That was a really wonderful description of a photographic process and the conservation process. A subject that could become incredibility boring was made interesting by Lee Ann Daffner. Great voice. There was also an element of danger in watching her handle the print. surprisingly entertaining.

  • @promontorium
    @promontorium 4 роки тому +13

    Great wisdom in deciding if you can't absolutely restore something, and might actually lose some of the picture in the process, then to leave it alone. There may be a solution in the future where damaging an image today can never be undone.

  • @silverporsche1959
    @silverporsche1959 4 роки тому +123

    I have a question when removing the polyester in many years from now. What are the chances that the particles stick to the polyester rather than stay on the silver plate?

  • @allissondiego1989
    @allissondiego1989 4 роки тому +2

    I have a huge respect for these professionals who keep the fragile past conserved

  • @mypureimagination
    @mypureimagination 4 роки тому +53

    How do you become a conservator? like what degree do you need?

  • @janineharrison5186
    @janineharrison5186 4 роки тому +3

    Excellent! She really knows her stuff! A pleasure to learn about the process.

  • @flemaster12
    @flemaster12 4 роки тому +11

    Those photos have better graphics than most video games nowadays

  • @onetuliptree
    @onetuliptree 4 роки тому +9

    Very interesting to learn more about early photography through conservation.

  • @malinisalimbabu9169
    @malinisalimbabu9169 4 роки тому +14

    I love conserving old photographs

  • @walmiracosta3220
    @walmiracosta3220 4 роки тому +1

    If MomA videos were subtitled, their access in Brazil would be very large.

  • @robbielosee
    @robbielosee 4 роки тому +37

    I recently saw a photo like this and was amused at how, when looking from different angles (or with lighter/darker objects reflecting in the “mirror” perhaps?) the image appears to shift between positive and negative.

  • @marinamarioni6384
    @marinamarioni6384 4 роки тому +16

    But where did she get that scalpel handle? It looks like a carved wooden braid.
    I want one!

  • @cl759
    @cl759 4 роки тому +18

    Bwahahahah, I thumbed this up intuitively not knowing it would, beside being interesting, touch on a subject that is a pet peeve of mine: bloody silver tarnishing.

  • @53660winston
    @53660winston 4 роки тому +3

    TY for making this vid. I studied photography @ Pratt and @ NYU. This video is really nice to see. And if y'all remeber A Photographers Place I worked there too. Harvey did dags. And we sold a lot of them.

  • @Rufio629
    @Rufio629 4 роки тому +25

    The guy who took the photo kind of looks like Rob Schneider

  • @photographedemode
    @photographedemode 4 роки тому +24

    Love this video, learned quite a bit. Definitely a thumbs up. (Why wear gloves if you're going to touch your hair? I've worked in labs, even touching your hair once is too much)

  • @icc1091
    @icc1091 4 роки тому +89

    omg conservation we stan

  • @brendathompson3758
    @brendathompson3758 2 роки тому

    each of these videos is so captivating....

  • @johnholtz1205
    @johnholtz1205 4 роки тому +1

    This is real work. Bravo

  • @leelee7995
    @leelee7995 4 роки тому +6

    Sulphur and silver, still a better love story than Twilight

  • @charmerci
    @charmerci 3 роки тому +2

    Silver and sulfur - a love story.

  • @kurtbarlow9402
    @kurtbarlow9402 4 роки тому +4

    Silver is a "pure" metal. It was used in both photography (either a deguerreotype or the silver nitrate used in development of b+w pix) and as the backing of mirrors.
    This is why I never used to cast a reflection, or appear in photos.
    Modern mirrors are made of aluminum, and photos are (mostly) digital nowadays, so no problem.

  • @batchint
    @batchint 4 роки тому +11

    we have a hundred year old family portrait that's printed onto a 15x12 inch frame probably from a certain field camera with over a hundred people in it.. in a garden - because of the age it's difficult to recognize whom is who unless it goes maybe through a studio copier but probably wont bring out any more detail

  • @tonytfuntek3262
    @tonytfuntek3262 4 роки тому +6

    Why didn't they enclose it into an airtight frame, possibly utilizing an inert gas or a vacuum?

  • @YellowCase2024
    @YellowCase2024 4 роки тому +9

    She’s a lovely woman. She was obviously loves her job.

  • @transnistria4237
    @transnistria4237 4 роки тому +16

    Not really any conservation but I still appreciate it!

  • @arbel7655
    @arbel7655 Рік тому

    This is an absolute dream job for me!

  • @jewelhenson3034
    @jewelhenson3034 3 роки тому

    This is for my Art Appreciation class. I have to visit a gallery but due to covid I have the choice to watch these videos, which sounds much easier to do than work in my busy schedule a live visit.

  • @ritamorris2352
    @ritamorris2352 4 роки тому

    Thank you for sharing this video. Very interesting and informative.

  • @horacegentleman3296
    @horacegentleman3296 4 роки тому +3

    I have SO many from the American civil war era.

  • @tubeyhamster
    @tubeyhamster 4 роки тому +4

    What a cool job.

  • @kabutocub
    @kabutocub 4 роки тому +13

    With absolutely ZERO knowledge regarding this field... I wonder, why not vacuum seal it?

  • @thejayflats
    @thejayflats 4 роки тому +2

    Randomly stumbled upon this video...thank you @UA-cam

  • @sshep7119
    @sshep7119 4 роки тому +1

    MoMA, Would enveloping the plate in an inert gas such as Argon or Krypton be beneficial to ensuring longevity of the image by limiting exposure to atmospheric oxidation and contamination?

  • @judyjudy4900
    @judyjudy4900 2 роки тому

    Why is there no credit or identification of the compositions and performing artist of the music ?

  • @animoshho
    @animoshho 4 роки тому +3

    The adhesive on the tape, does it contain sulfur?

  • @WickBeavers
    @WickBeavers 11 місяців тому

    Could he not get that camel to stand still for 2.38 minutes? Fabulous Video, thanks.

  • @Lifelikesky
    @Lifelikesky 4 роки тому

    I have much respect for the work that you do Mrs Daffner but I have two questions!!
    One: Shouldn't you be wearing a mask when talking in front of such sensitive photographs considering micro droplets of saliva could affect these artworks chemically???
    Two: Were these Daguerreotypes digitally scanned in super high resolution in case anything happens to them in the future??
    Keep up the great work!!

  • @StrawberryNinjaNibbles
    @StrawberryNinjaNibbles 4 роки тому +1

    Someone explain to me how she got this job. Like what did she go to school for? What experience was needed etc? Thanks very interested

  • @AlasdairGR
    @AlasdairGR 4 роки тому +8

    No camera sensor we invent will ever have higher resolution than light being focused through a lens right onto a medium.

  • @karimmendas8980
    @karimmendas8980 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks 👍

  • @brycemorgan7241
    @brycemorgan7241 4 роки тому

    What is the piece in the background? Love that music.

  • @bigboxbobby2
    @bigboxbobby2 4 роки тому

    It looks just like one of the Lions that guard Nelsons Column in Trafalgar Square in London to me.

  • @sittingstill3578
    @sittingstill3578 2 роки тому

    There was no information about the cleaning method and materials alluded to.

  • @jazziered142
    @jazziered142 4 роки тому

    Thank you.

  • @nichiniker
    @nichiniker 4 роки тому

    Why not flood the case environment with argon or another Inert gas?

  • @vivek-1318
    @vivek-1318 4 роки тому

    Awesome

  • @slurms7627
    @slurms7627 4 роки тому +3

    when she says "24 centimeter exactly" 😭

  • @TheBlackSpiral
    @TheBlackSpiral 4 роки тому +1

    Joseph-Philibert Girault de Prangey looks an awful lot like a classy ‎Rob Schneider.

  • @omanuelsa
    @omanuelsa 4 роки тому

    Amazing

  • @evelynfidler6285
    @evelynfidler6285 4 роки тому

    is the glass light filtering?

  • @kosinus
    @kosinus 4 роки тому

    I hope they did some kind of highrez scan of these

  • @abcvideoyoutuization
    @abcvideoyoutuization 4 роки тому +2

    Are these daguerreotype digitized?

  • @metalmicky
    @metalmicky 3 роки тому

    Do you make a copy with modern technology ?

  • @annegoodreau4925
    @annegoodreau4925 2 роки тому +1

    Why is she handling these things without gloves until almost 5 1/2 minutes in?

  • @Floweroftheprairie2720
    @Floweroftheprairie2720 2 роки тому

    Where does one got to school for this?

  • @princeofwales4634
    @princeofwales4634 2 роки тому +1

    Imagine she drops it by mistake....

  • @grelgen
    @grelgen 3 роки тому

    did they at least mount it on an axle so the observer could turn it over and see the other exposure?

  • @spoonerpurple
    @spoonerpurple 4 роки тому +3

    she looks like Judy Garland

  • @helenarose580
    @helenarose580 4 роки тому

    Wow

  • @jdmderick
    @jdmderick 4 роки тому

    00:38 Rob Schneider is that you???????

  • @benjaminmarks8765
    @benjaminmarks8765 4 роки тому

    If you like this, check out Baumgartner's channel for painting restorations

  • @JarcodeRover
    @JarcodeRover 4 роки тому

    He looks like Rob Schneider :P

  • @giantasparagus
    @giantasparagus 4 роки тому +1

    What a G

  • @codysett1
    @codysett1 4 роки тому

    Shit is crazy detailed. Also how the FUCK do these guys come up with this shit

  • @Mike-om3ly
    @Mike-om3ly 4 роки тому

    Okay but why does he look like Rob Schneider?

  • @migranthawker2952
    @migranthawker2952 Рік тому

    Fascinating! Two things I don't understand - 1: why have that dreadful "music" constantly in the background and 2: why do you Americans insist on wrongly pronouncing aluminium as "aliminem"?

  • @Alan1970B
    @Alan1970B 4 роки тому +12

    Daguerreotypes are not prints they are plates.

  • @mooltz
    @mooltz 4 роки тому

    Borosilicate glass is what's used for the best smoking apparatuses.

  • @johnsmith1474
    @johnsmith1474 4 роки тому

    I would have suggest not plastic under the glass, because the additional reflections are disturbing. Further I would have created a sealed glass box full of nitrogen, in which the object resides, or in addition if the object is actually giving off some chemical that is self destructive, some sort of neutralizing agent. Sealing it up seals whatever it emits in.

  • @skellez83
    @skellez83 4 роки тому +1

    ALUMINUM

  • @rebeccaliebregts
    @rebeccaliebregts 4 роки тому +1

    Is it just me, or does Prangey look a lot like Rob Schneider?

  • @Ergogeorge
    @Ergogeorge 3 роки тому

    2:11 - is this postmodernism?

  • @julianjtvg5108
    @julianjtvg5108 4 роки тому

    Why not seal it in a container filled with a gas that wont cause it to tarnish, if it even exists

  • @Dog.soldier1950
    @Dog.soldier1950 4 роки тому +1

    Maybe in 50-200 yrs other better technologies will be developed

  • @otto16121970
    @otto16121970 4 роки тому

    but if these “photo’s” were taken in Europe.....how did it get in the USA?

  • @johnsmith1474
    @johnsmith1474 4 роки тому

    The glass looks poor, why would I be seeing reflections of window light off of museum glass?

  • @ImaginaryMdA
    @ImaginaryMdA 4 роки тому

    ...until some idiot smashes into it with a selfie stick...

  • @CHAOTICREATIONS
    @CHAOTICREATIONS 4 роки тому +2

    I just didn't get the impression that all that was necessary..

  • @ΑΝΤΩΝΗΣΣΜΥΡΝΙΟΣ
    @ΑΝΤΩΝΗΣΣΜΥΡΝΙΟΣ 4 роки тому +2

    this was not conservation.

  • @antigen4
    @antigen4 4 роки тому

    Would be more interesting to bleach and redevelop it

  • @isaacbush3491
    @isaacbush3491 4 роки тому +6

    These videos are so, SO frickin cool. Bravo to MOMA for putting out this series in anticipation for the reopening. Please continue!

  • @fred6059
    @fred6059 4 роки тому +7

    Where I work underground are thousands of audio recordings and old photos are preserved.

  • @jasonrusso151
    @jasonrusso151 6 місяців тому

    what if you find out later that your Cutie Felty Purplely Blocky Blockies are harmful to whatever you can invent on the spot in that particular moment miss human resources conserving lady? pan.....?....oh the m is silent. like calm.

  • @megacrispy2553
    @megacrispy2553 4 роки тому

    He looks like Rob Schneider

  • @lohphat
    @lohphat 4 роки тому +1

    I can't believe that work was done under bright light instead of in a dimmed, temperature controled room.