Problems With The Novus Ordo, Including Their Latin Mass
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2023
- Did you hear the news?
The Archbishop of Kansas City has warned priests that they could be offering Mass with invalid matter, and that they should ensure their altar wine is both free from additives and especially vinted for sacramental use. The archbishop wrote to priests May 31 to warn that he had recently learned of parishes using wine that would invalidate their attempts to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
Its things like this that make the Church a mockery.
"Invalidates the Sacrament"? Is such precision Sacramentally necessary? You have a good Catholic who was Baptized with "we", dies, meets St Peter, and St Peter's going to say, "begone heretic! You were Baptized with "we" not "I", nothing else you did matters - to Hell with you!" ???
This sounds like the kind of doctrinal nit-picking the Pharisees were proud of.
Go to Church and fulfill your obligations! Let the Clerics deal with the wording, focus on your Charity.
There are guidelines to Baptism according to the church, so it has to be done a certain way.
I prefer the Latin Mass for raising my children. And the SSPX commute isn’t bad at all.
I have issues with our main Novus Ordo parish, female altar servers, extraordinary ministers, the music, talking before Mass, no St. Michael prayer at the end, immodesty, etc.
Silver lining is my parish priest gave me permission to promote the Miraculous Medal and the Rosary when I can acquire them in bulk.
I can’t bring myself to leave my home parish when I can help bring tradition and due reverence to Our Lord in the Eucharist, I kneel when I receive Communion and my three year old literally has me running after her because she wants to receive Communion and cuts through everyone.
My parish priest is interested to learn more about the Militia of the Immaculata so we can promote it. God willing I’ll encourage him to wear his cassock more often.
I love the SSPX but if I leave my main parish, if I don’t help bring tradition, who will?
I feel you on all this, I'm trying to bring that kind of reverence to my NO parish as well. Their Mass is pretty solid in terms of structure and clergy behavior, but still has many of the typical NO problems, most notably that we could always be doing more to encourage people to at least ACT like Christ is physically present. There's a parish council for the "National Eucharistic Revival" thing that's going on to which I was invited, and so far it's appearing to be very much an uphill battle against older church women who, instead of focusing on what the council is (ostensibly) about, are insisting on making the parish a more "welcoming" place through more "happy clappy" and "let's interrupt all sense of reverance with friendly handshakes and conversations before Mass begins" type of shenanigans, as if we're somehow not already friendly enough. I plan on subtly but stubbornly pushing for things like altar rails, more reverent silence, and promoting solid teaching that the laity may not want to but needs to hear, but I do expect a lot of resistance on that front. But like you said, if I'm not doing it, it's not going to get done; I was brought to that parish and plopped into that council for a reason, and I plan on riding it out until doing so just becomes untenable, because the parish and its attendees need at least some return to tradition if it's going to survive and if the souls who attend are going to have a better chance of being saved.
@@LaserFace23 let’s say the Rosary, wear the Brown Scapular, and the Miraculous Medal and get to work.
May God’s blessings be upon you, 🙏
i have same problems with novus ordo Masses. It is so dispiriting.
Terribly sad. Fr Malachi Martin warned us about this decades ago.
Here in Germany, the Missale still says "for all" and nobody seems to care anymore. Even though the original text says "pro multis" and not "Pro omnes" ...
I think Latin mass is the real understanding of what mass is really all about I go to Latin mass 4 the essence of mind in Jesus
I agree 150% regarding the SSPX.
Whatever you do, you must NOT break with Rome. Stay and FIGHT, cling to traditions, but do NOT leave the Roman Catholic Church!!
Will never do.
Im planning on making a video on why Im not a sedevacantist, and never will be
@@imisschristendom5293 I was actually going to ask you to make a video on sedevacantism.
It is stupid and does not make sense in light of the various approved Catholic prophecies you have talked about.
Part of not breaking with Rome is acknowledging that heretics can’t be popes.
You sound like a cultist, come to orthodoxy❤️
@@beatlecristianDo you not agree with Abp. Lefebvre that the Novus Ordo Hierarchy has left the Church? Could someone claim that communion with them is proof of unity with something they broke with?
The Holy Host in the Novis Ordo is valid. Jesus lives in it.
Providing the right matter and intent is there. Even an SSPX priest would offer an invalud Mass if say the wine was improper matter.
@redneckpride4ever I trust our priests here. Over the years, they have been very particular at Consecration. Jesus has made His Presence clear to some of us after receiving Him.
Although the awesomeness is not apparent in the Novis Ordo Mass, it is still valid and should not be put down so much. I miss the Latin Mass, but Novis Ordo is our only option here and it can be trusted.
If the Wine being used is Invalid, then the whole Mass is Invalid. There is no Real Presence. It doesn't matter what you might believe. The Laity have no control of the situation. It is what it is. There is no getting around that. I am a Traditional Latin Mass Catholic and only Attend at a FSSP TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS PARISH. I will never go back to the Novus Ordo Mass.
The narrator said that he has gone to a 5pm Saturday Mass at the SSPX. That is not Traditional. That is a Vatican ll thing. At the FSSP Latin Mass Parish that I attend, there is no 5pm Saturday Mass. The last Mass on Saturday is at 12pm. There are no Masses after the 12pm Mass. No Evening Mass
on Saturday. That is the Traditional Mass schedule that always has been. May The Lord Saturate Our Souls With The Holy Spirit.🔥✝️🙏
@user-tn1xv1vc2d you are very blessed to have a latin Mass near you. And it is wonderful you are so dedicated to receiving Jesus.
If we had a latin Mass here, I would definitely go. I was raised on that most wonderful Mass. I find myself wondering if our Lord would be so cruel as to deprive His children of Himself, since most areas in the world are N.O. now.
He has shown some of us that He is definitely in that Most Holy Host, N.O. or not.
I am happy to receive Him. To keep somewhat traditional, a few of us are saying the rosary in latin. Satan hates latin.
Enjoy your precious traditional Mass.
Fortunately for me I have a FSSP Parish that is available.
We have a Packed Mass and Confession schedule Monday thru Sunday. Including a Bookstore that is open everyday. Which leaves no excuse. I have checked Mass and Confession schedules across the Country and none of them have a Packed Mass and Confession schedule like we have. We are Truly Blessed to have a FSSP Parish that we have. No shortage of Priest either. A very busy Parish. May The Lord Saturate Our Souls With The Holy Spirit🔥✝️🙏.
Perfect job! Thank you!
This is why I drive two hours on Sunday to go to the sspx !!!
Tks!, many good & valid points!
Changing the consecration-pray for bishops from emphasizing their vocation of consecrating to governing, using an Eastern Rite prayer, raises questions of validity of all ordained priests.
Our Diocese has a Bishop who celebrates the TLM. We have a Diocesan Shrine which is also a TLM Oratorio. We also have a second parish with TLM offered every day of the week and on Holy Days. There are 3 Diocesan priests who offer the TLM. One formed in the FSSP Seminary. There is also a thriving SSPX Chapel and school within our Diocese which cooperates with and is in regular communication with our Bishop. In Christ all things are possible.
All i had to do was say "Archbishop of KC" and my NO parish priest reached into the cupboard to show me the bottle of sacramental wine.
Matter doesn't concern me as much Form. I can check a bottle of wine and discern the difference between the Host and a tortilla, but a slight alteration in verbiage can be easily missed.
Yes, everyone keeps asking me how to check the wine.
Well, here you go, folks. ask.
Also good point. Form matters as well
Checking the altar wine would depend on your location I think e.g. all sacramental wine used in Australia comes from the same vineyard, so I'm not too concerned about that.
Please check with your local ordinary in regards to fulfilling your Sunday obligation w/ the SSPX.
Validity of the Mass: The Masses celebrated by SSPX priests are considered valid, as the priests are validly ordained.
1. Licitness of the Mass: However, the licitness of the Masses (i.e., whether they are celebrated according to the laws of the Church) is more complex. SSPX priests generally do not have the necessary faculties (permissions) from the local bishop to celebrate Mass licitly.
2. Sunday Obligation: The Vatican has provided some guidance on this matter:
◦ 2003 Letter from the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei: This letter clarified that attending Mass at an SSPX chapel does not fulfill the Sunday obligation, given that SSPX Masses are considered illicit.
◦ 2015-2016 Year of Mercy: Pope Francis granted SSPX priests the faculty to hear confessions validly and licitly during the Year of Mercy. He extended this faculty indefinitely afterward. However, this did not extend to celebrating Mass.
3. Current Guidance:
◦ While the SSPX Masses are valid, attending them does not typically fulfill the Sunday obligation unless there is no other possibility to attend a Mass in communion with the Church (e.g., no other Masses are available or reasonably accessible).
Summary
• Ordinary Circumstances: Under normal circumstances, attending an SSPX Mass does not fulfill the Sunday obligation.
• Extraordinary Circumstances: If there are no other options available to attend a Mass in communion with the Church, an SSPX Mass could fulfill the obligation due to the principle that the faithful are obligated to attend Mass, and in extraordinary situations, allowances are made.
Good video, I’m subscribing!
Awesome, thank you!
Thank for using video from my home city of Birmingham, England. I think you used a shot with the German Market.
I recently had to defend against someone who said I shouldn't go to the FSSPX
Two days later he was quite sad because his bishop shut down his diocesan TLM...
Sir you are on it !!!
I was scared to watch this video because so many catholic channels I watch turn out to be Sedevacantist, and I've had a lot of temptations recently in regards to that herasy. I'm glas you aren't Sedevacantist, but rather just very Traditionalist. Great video!
Sedevacantism makes no sense in light of the various approved Catholic prophecies concerning the Great Chastisement, Three Days of Darkness, restoration of the Church, the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the Great Catholic Monarch, the Angelic Pontiff, etc.
@@beatlecristian I am too unresearched to be in this comment section so i understand very little of what you just said, can you please enlighten me?
@@steakfilly5199 you’re asking to explain the Catholic prophecies?
@@beatlecristian yeah, i know the fatima one, im just unsure about the others
@@beatlecristian No need for all that...how about Sedevacantism makes no sense in light of the fact that the Chair is not empty...
So, how does one know if the wine at a latin Mass is of correct matter?
Unless there is explicit evidence of purposeful wrongdoing, then you don't have to be worried about it. God is not going to with hold His grace based on an imperceptible detail of Church Law.
I think we are in the same diocese, and even the same city because everything in this video aligns with our experience.
My wife and I are visiting the SSPX chapel for the first time tomorrow since our Latin Mass priest is gone for the next couple Sundays. If you are in Springfield, Mo we would love to meet you.
What about Bishops and Priests? Are they validly consecrated? If not, what is going to happen?
Eternal "GOD" LET YOUR CHURCH BACK to Latin Traditional Mass, Before your second coming, please Lord Jesus with the intersession of Mother Mary. specially for pilipino catholics.
Have you read "Work of Human Hands"? It worth reading and investigating this situation further.
Its noteworthy that you are concerned about invalid matter. But what about invalid form? Did you investigate the changes made to all the ordination rites in 1968?
Please do a video on the recent SSPX scandal. Your videos are always so balanced and informative, I click the "like" button before watching because they're that good!
i agree, the sspx supporters arent taking the time to go through this mess
You say to do research on what can invalidate a mass, how can one begin? All I can find is articles and arguments about whether the NO itself is a valid liturgy
You might read Archbishop Lefebvre's letter to confused Catholics.
I mean your right, at this point I would definitely ask about the wine.
Or find a good traditional priest and ask them what to look for
I binged all your videos. When you make new ones, I can't watch because of the tangible, (in the lowest chakra like a chill), feeling of dread I get. Keep the serious music, though, it provides necessary gravitas. I guess because I am in the thick of Babylon (CA), I just can't take any more. But I so appreciate your videos. I stopped this one seconds in, just to write you. But I just can't watch. You make me feel so hopeless. It's the one thing I can naysay you on. When I contemplate Jesus, I don't end with that kind of feeling. I guess you are contemplating the world without Him, so it is true and apropos, and since I am living in that world, I'm saturated already and just can't take it. But I gave you a like and a comment to support you to continue. Much gratitude for your obvious endless hours of research and your single-mindedness about Our Beautiful, Saving Lord. May He bless your family. Could you do one on the beautiful character of Jesus? My dad always taught us God has character: He doesn't lie, cheat, or steal. He doesn't delight in others' misery. He is slow to anger and quick to forgive. He in no coward.
Here's the thing. Yeah things are bad. But it was all predicted. If it wasn't for that, I would despair. But God will save his church.
Go through rcia. What's important is getting the sacrements.
And don't worry too much about validity. Except for the mass, God is not unjust. If they do it wrong the church supplies
Part of the reason I make these is it is the laity, us, that will save the church. That has been predicted.
@@imisschristendom5293 No, I helped teach RCIA. God bless you, thank you so, so much!!! I'll watch again soon!!!!
Let the Liturgy of Word be celebrated priests facing the people & the sacrificial part priests facing the sanctuary.
John Salza has talked about the Church Law regarding Jurisdiction, so SSPX has to be approved by the local Bishop or Archbishop in that diocese/archdiocese to be valid. Just adding that
Nobody disputes that for many is the correct translation of pro multis. However it is true that Christ died for all so the old translation is theologically correct.
You are absolutely correct! Saint Thomas Aquinas the great scholastic Sacramental theologian taught that the essential words which actually confect transubstantiation of the precious blood are : “This is the Chalice of my Blood.” The words “ for all” do not invalidate the consecration because as you stated, Christ did indeed die for all. Unfortunately, this layman never studied Sacramental theology and is doing a great injustice by spreading his fears concerning the validity of the Mass due to this issue.
As an outsider looking into the Catholic Church I always find it disheartening trying to navigate all these different rules and laws. Shouldn’t it be easy to understand ? I should be able to submit myself to something and understand the simplicity of what it is I am doing.
I understand your sentiment, but it should not be simple. God is not simple, so His Church can not be either!
The simple parts of Catholic teachings are however enough to be saved. If you believe the simple parts of Catholics teachings and live in accordance, you will be saved!
Don’t worry about this video if you’re only just starting out. Just go to your churches. Talk to your priests. Aslong as you’re in communion with Rome you’re on your way! Worry about this stuff later
We use sacramental wine in Ironton. Diocese of Steubenville.
Most of the problems with the diocesan Latin Mass that you describe are not true for all parts of the world. For example, in my diocese (and the neighboring one, which is not far), it is possible for me to go in two, no three different directions driving for about 20 minutes and finding a Latin Mass at a relatively decent time. One of those directions even has two churches offering it at slightly different times. All the times range from 9:00 AM in the morning through 12:30 in the afternoon. In addition, one church offers a weekday Latin Mass at 12, and another offers it at 7 PM (though the homily is in Spanish). Again, all of this is within 20 minutes of driving from this location.
Well, most of it. One place is more like 35 minutes.
One of the locations offers the largest Sunday Latin Mass in this part of the state, attending by maybe 500 or so people, and having upwards of 15-18 altar boys and a choir of about 20 or more.
And all that doesn't even include the two SSPX churches that offer it in two different directions.
As for the Eucharist being used sometimes from Novus Ordo Masses, well, that there involves a legitimate dispute about the validity of the consecration. But "Rad Trads" have an issue to deal with that they are ignoring--the occasional happening of Eucharistic miracles at Novus Ordo Masses. The last possible one (admittedly, it has yet to be pronounced a miracle), is particularly troubling. It was an alleged miracle of a multiplication of the Hosts, and occurred a few months ago in New England (I think Connecticut). The priest can be seen on a video discussing it at the Mass after it happened. Worse for those who doubt the validity, it was reported by an Extraordinary Minister, who was a woman.
This brings up the idea of God's sovereignty, namely that He can use, if He chooses, even a defective Mass to accomplish His will. He does not wait for something to be perfect to act. Not saying that this particular alleged miracle was true, only that it was an odd circumstance to watch the priest tell about it right then and there, and in a separate homily the next week. And the broader issue of Eucharistic miracles in Novus Ordo Masses, which have happened before, raises a definite question of if the Traditionalist argument regarding validity in the current Novus Ordo Mass is correct.
That being said, the Conciliar Church needs also to address the issue posed by the possibly incorrupt body of Sr. Wilhelmina, and all that implies for the current pontificate's hostility to the TLM. It seems as if there needs some soul searching to be done on both sides.
These are excellent points you have brought up.
Father Chad Ripperger says that demons react to hosts consecrated in the Novus Ordo.
Makes the sedevacantist position less compelling, huh?
It’s so stupid to risk your salvation when God sees what is happening and is going to restore His Church.
I can say a whole lot more but I will digress for now.
@@beatlecristian "Demons react to hosts" I'm curious how he was able to know that.
@@masterofdeath5648 Simple, because Father Chad Ripperger is an exorcist.
@@beatlecristian Did he give Novus Ordo consecrated hosts to those claiming (or those he claimed) to be possessed?
@@masterofdeath5648 are you a sedevacantist?
These SSPX videos seem to be pushing for scrupulosity for people who aren't "trad" enough, and make broad assumptions that promote division
So well put. They thrive on division.
Can the true church give invalid masses? Can any of the other sacraments be invalid. Is my absolution invalid? This is scary to me. As someone in RCIA who is just learning about the church I can’t handle this. I thought the church could not lead me into heresy or damnation.
It cannot, forget about this. All the sacraments are valid.
Supplied jurisdiction.
Yes, all your absolutions are valid because you didn't know. And it's not your fault. God is not unjust.
If certain sacraments like confession and marriage are done invalidly, the church supplies validity if you didn't know.
The big problem is the masses if they are not valid those graces are not coming into the world
Uh, sorry, but the Archbishop of kansas City begs to differ, the Archdiocese of Detroit begs to differ
It depends on what you mean by an "invalid" mass, but in general no, the true Church can not give an invalid Mass, nor can she lead you into heresy or damnation. That would be a complete failure of her mission, to save souls, and that would mean that Christ lied - obviously false. Christ sent the Holy Spirit to enable the Church to teach, sanctify, and govern. Offering the Mass is an act of sanctification and is therefore protected. Otherwise the Holy Spirit has failed - obviously can't happen. So put your mind at ease - God does not deceive. You are safe in Peter's boat!
Thank you for the reply’s.
SSPX have their scandals too.
3 characteristics of The New Mass/ Lutheranism
1. Denial of the supernatural
2. Evolution of dogma; that dogma evolves
3. That the basis of religion is one’s personal experience with God = focus on us. Why priests face the people. All Protestantism
While this video was educational, I would like to point out a couple of issues.
I can't help but think that God is going to refuse a person's baptism just because the Priest or Deacon misused one word. I myself being a convert to the faith, was baptized in a Protestant church. The church was unable to prove nor disprove my Baptism since the records were either lost or destroyed.
Yet the Catholic priest took my word that my baptism was valid base on my memory of seeing the certificate in some files that my parents had.
It is not up to the laity to determine whether or not any mass is valid assuming we are attending a church in the Roman right. I would like to make the argument that God will validate the mass that hold the clergy and the Bishops responsible for any errors.
Baptism of desire is a real thing.
If someone is not water baptized through no fault of their own, their desire serves as their baptism.
Yes, one word will invalidate a baptism. Im sorry. But God is not unjust.
But no, he does not supply validaty for the mass. Otherwise, how can we say the mass in the anglican church is invalid
@@imisschristendom5293 Thank you for your response on clarifying what I also believe to be true regarding baptism.
You brought up a very interesting point about the validity of the mass that I would like to clarity. Does the Anglican Church state that their Eucharist is the real presence body and blood of Christ? To my knowledge, all protestant denominations state it's symbolic.
That's an interesting question, I think the Anglicans do hold that it's just symbolic. But for a sacrament to be valid, that is, actually take place, three things are required: Matter, Form, and Intention. If there is a defect in any of the three, the sacrament doesn't take place, i.e. it's invalid. In the case of the Anglicans, they don't believe in the sacrificial priesthood, and also believe it all is symbology anyway, so they couldn't have a "valid" Mass, for example, because they would have defect of intention, they don't intend to actually bring about the sacrament.
God bless
9:23- I had to do the same -jump the line to the priest line instead of taking communion from the female Eucharistic minister.
A recommendation:
Listen to the late Fr. Hesse's talk about the new Sacraments. It's easily found on UA-cam, together with many other interesting talks he gave. He worked with the SSPX.
My local church doesn't serve the wine, only the bread
That’s lame. Go to an eastern rite church they soak the host in wine first
The Novus Ordo in Latin is my favorite.
Just to be clear, im talking about the latin mass according to the 1962 missal at set up by the diocese.
Never been to a novus ordo in latin
@@imisschristendom5293 I think he means a reverent Novus Ordo Mass with some Latin thrown in.
They are rare, but beautiful.
I have seen the Novus Order in Latin at St. John Cantius, the responses are in Latin, incense, communion on the tongue, it was very revenent
Our Church does the Latin NO and there's another Latin NO 10 mins away. It's beautiful and I prefer it over the TLM.
It’s not about what we prefer. It’s about what’s right.
Currently a Catechumen, have attended a traditional mass since I and my wife first started converting. Attended a closer parish for The Immaculate Conception of Mary. Discovered it was Novus Ordo. Everything was so incredibly off and wrong feeling. Alter facing congregation, modern music, no procession for the Gospel, priest preached his “homily” from just in front of the front row of pews. Wife and I both agreed, that is NOT the Catholicism we are signing up for! Understand its valid according to Rome, respect that, not attending it by choice.
Doubtful NO sacraments. Big problem.
*Their
Soon, our Latin Mass will NOT be allowed in Church, our Priest will be conducting the TLM in a near by chapel, I have no idea if we're all going to fit. But this was apparently sent from up top. WHY would they actually want to do this? Our Novus Ordo Mass on Sunday is 8am, 9:30am and 11am and we have just one TLM for 12:15pm which is now no longer allowed in Church. Just why? this is ignorant. It's not interfering with anything.
"Some of them don't care as much as you do." 9:50
Hence, why I'm done. I'm not attending any Mass in communion with those who are okay with desecrating our Lord: Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, who have obviously been leading the laity astray for DECADES. Rome needs to sort itself out, and when I find catholics are serious about what they *claim* to be serious about, I'll consider returning.
Im lucky that in Delaware the only church offering the latin mass has daily low masses along with sunday high mass, and they do have novus ordo as well but they put more emphasis on the latin mass. Even on holy days feast days etc they tend to have two latin masses that day and two novus ordo. The two priests are great. One seems to be the bishops right hand man.
Saw my first requiem all souls day latin mass and it was beautiful
Very few NO priest are randomly assigned to do the Trad mass. I became approved because I knew the old Mass and was privately offering the old Mass for a long time.
Hopefully, my diocese is more of an isolated situation. Our first priest was familiar with it, but when he left, one of the priests volunteered, I never saw his masses,
But he made a comment once on a youth retreat that so and so died, and his family
Wanted a requiem latin mass funeral, and he wasn't sure if he could do it.
the one after him was good, the one after him shadowed for a couple of months, but when he was reasigned, this new priest was thrown into it.
It just seems to me that the latin mass is an afterthought, with the diocese something they feel they have to offer
As opposed to priests formed to do the latin mass in seminary
Your title has a spelling error. “Thier” should be “their.”
Thier? Change one letter, and it's no longer a word at all.
Great point
Ouch!
Don't get so strung up on how the mass is performed or else you'll start to forget why you go to mass in the first place.
Well, whether the mass actually happens or not is kind of important.
If the Mass is invalid, you dont fulfill your Sunday obligation.
Believe it or not, you go to mass to be present for the miracle of Transubstantiation, not to hear the priests homily, or sing with the choir.
Also, if the mass is invalid, then idolatry occurs because we are worshiping bread.
Of course, we are not gulity of any of this since we didn't know. But these are grave offenses to God. And yes, we should care about it.
@@imisschristendom5293 you make a good point. I didn't think of it like that
1 Corinthians 3:18-23
Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you considers himself wise in this age, let him become a fool so as to become wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in the eyes of God, for it is written:
“He catches the wise in their own ruses,”
and again:
“The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.”
So let no one boast about human beings, for everything belongs to you,
Paul or Apollos or Cephas, or the world or life or death, or the present or the future: all belong to you,
and you to Christ, and Christ to God.
Yes they might be a problem, but the mass can't be invalid.
Isn’t that because it’s Christ saying the words of consecration through the priest?
Invalid Wine and Invalid words of Consecration Invalidates the Mass. Nobody can just do and say what they want and the Mass remains Valid. Don't be Deceived.
@@beatlecristian Exactly!!!
Imagine believing that a person can speak magic words while pouring water on a baby and that these acts make any difference whatsoever…
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Should i believe you or Jesus
The beliefs of the Roman Catholic Faith are contained in the Nicene Creed. In it, we state of our belief in Christ as God, who, for us men, and for our salvation, descended from heaven. But salvation, from what?
It's not so hard to believe in the reality of sin, when you perceive all the flaws of human beings, and conclude that only a superior being could undo them. From there, it stands to reason that you have to actually follow the stipulations laid out by this superior being, to participate in his power, namely, the forgiveness of sin. When you instruct a child to clean his room, with the promise of candy as a reward, should he fail to accomplish the task, will he get the candy?
Our belief isn't as illogical as it seems on the surface. God bless you, Merry Christmas!
@@imisschristendom5293there's no mention of the prefix words. The East has different.
Omdayyyys its getting so hard to be a true Cat
Great news, It's not your job to determine if the form and matter of a sacrament are correct or not. So you're off the hook, you don't have to worry about it any more, you are not responsible for it, and so you will not be held accountable for it either. However, it is possible you will be held accountable for the confusion and discontent you cause with this blasphemous and possibly heretical video leading people astray. Also, did Christ Himself explicitly state in Holy Scripture, and did the Church later confirm it through infallible teaching thus making it dogma, a Divine Law that can never change, all these details you mentioned about the matter of the Blessed Sacrament? NO, Christ only said bread and wine. No further details were given. That means the CHURCH decided on all this stuff you say were done wrong, and that makes it a matter of Church law, of discipline, and therefore something the church can change. I mean come on man, It's Christs Church, He knows what's going on, if there is a problem, then He will take care of it. Our job is to be a saint - best way to do that is Charity, humility, and obedience. Not making videos that cause disunity. And by they way, on the SSPX - if they are 100% obedient to the local Bishop, who is 100% in union with Pope Francis, then it's ok - that and all of the above are TRADITION.
Sorry, but the Archbishop of Kansas City disagrees, the Archdiocese of Detroit disagrees.
Apparently, you weren't there to set them straight, and tell them it doesn't matter, and its all good.
Or, you dont know what you're talking about.
In order for a sacrament to be valid, it needs proper form, matter, and intent. If one is missing, it's not valid
That's not what I say . That is what the church says
That's why the Archbishop said check the wine. that's why those people had to get conditional baptism.
@@imisschristendom5293 thanks for responding. I did not say it doesn't matter or it was all good. I said we as lay faithful don't need to worry about it. Yes - Matter, Form, and Intent are needed for a sacrament. However, only the Form of Baptism and Form of the Eucharist are matters of Divine law - given explicitly by Christ in Holy Scripture, and can never change. The Matter for those He only gave in general terms - Water, and Bread and Wine, no specifics, and He gave no details on the other 5 Sacraments. Thus the Church decided, thus Church Law. As for the Intent - that means externally, the Priest is visibly doing what he is supposed to be doing. It has nothing to do with the internal disposition, or what they personally think they are or are not doing. Otherwise it could be questioned every time and no one would ever know. So, If it looks right, the correct words used, and it appears to be the correct materials, then what the Church says will happen, actually does happen. If you go to a Diocesan parish that is 100% obedient to the Local Bishop, who has all the normal Papal mandates, and he is 100% in union with the Pope, then you have absolutely nothing to worry about, you can be 100% certain that the sacrament was valid, you got the grace. God is not going to with hold His graces for invisible mistakes in Church law by sinful people. And so telling people that if they go to the Ordinary Form of the Mass they better watch out, it is very likely the Priest is not doing things correctly, Communion is probably not valid, and those pre-consecrated non Latin mass Hosts that may be mixed with good Hosts, and on and on... that is all wrong.
You misspelled "their" twice.
Lol I live I Troy michigan
He has to know that there is a symbolic showing that must be contemplated on that has made people cry , people have saw the passion of the church in the mass and saw the end of the world and the schism of the church it rocked their soles but I see Christ ,and know that early teachers say they will touch and feel to remove the mass like the sacrifice of the high priest of the old covenant was taken by small introduction and changes ,look at macabees they built a gym in the temple for fit young boys for sodomy poposes ...we must know our enemies and study them and resist and fill in the less knowledgeable before they are consumed ...you know what lies before us Bo's sisters we will see each other before Christ and he hopefully will say ...this is the young men and women who stayed with me when all where ashamed of me they restlessly we t out their way ,rise my subjects
Roman rite catholics are duty bound and obligated to attend the received and approved rite of mass as codified at Trent and St Pius V Papal Bull Quo Primum Est. The novus ordo service is not an option,its a mixture of protestantism, jewish meal prayers with a few minute catholic touch. It was condemned at Trent and by pope Benedict XIV.
It seems you degrade too much the Novus Ordo priests and forget that they have dedicated their lives to celebrating the Mass and serving God. The Mass is the Mass
What a ridiculous commentary ! Just as early Christians carried the Eucharist to the sick and dying in the earliest days, so, too, do we do the same today. My mother had a stroke. She couldn't walk. The Eucharistic minister brought her communion every Sunday, right from the altar ! Mom had no need for Last Rights every Sunday for her last five years. And do you honestly think God sits on a throne in heaven giving check marks to valid or invalid wordsin mass? Leave your OCD in your own home, thank u.
Obviously, you never studied sacramental theology. Perhaps you should only attend SSPX Chapels. I’m sure deep down you believe they are the only priests with valid orders, use correct matter and form, and have the correct intention to confect catholic sacraments. Why would you waste your time with “Novus Ordo” priests who may or may not be celebrating valid sacraments? Throw them all, even the “good ones,” under the bus and be done with it!
And I suppose the new schism has the solution
What schism?
The Germans?
The Canandian bishops that officially disagreed with the ban on contraception in 1970s?
The millions of cafeteria Catholics who pick and choose which dogmas they will believe?
The 70 percent of Catholics who dont believe in the real presence?
The 90 percent of Catholics who use contraception?
Which break from the church are talking about?
Just because they go to the right building doesn't mean they are in the church, and traditionalists aren't.
If you mean the sspx, they are not in schism. Which has been said over and over again.
Holding to the authentic Catholic faith that has been handed down over the centuries, while everyone else changes the faith is not schism.
Quoting an excommunicated guy to justify your arguments, is not very smart.
Are you sure he was excommunicated?
Pope jp2 did not excommunicate him. He announced that his actions caused an automatic excommunication.
However, cannon law also states that if a person does something that would cause excommunication out of fear, Whether real or imagined, the excommunication does not occur. Which was clearly the case with Lefebvre
If you look at what Canon Law actually says on the matter, there's no way his actions caused excommunication.
Who's smarter, the one who actually looks into canon law to see if the excommunication was valid? Or the one who just believes what he's told?
So I guess we need to forget about joan of Arc? She died excommunicated as well
@@imisschristendom5293can you do a video on St. Joan of Arc?
I do plan on eventually doing some saint videos, and she would be one of them
Wasn’t the “Excommunication” lifted anyways? The real question is why Does the SSPX even bother you? From what I can tell they are what the church used to be, should be, and still is thanks to to them and a few others.
Would your favorite saint be right at home attending one of their Mass’s?
(Probably)
🌹“Pray the Rosary every day, in order to obtain Peace in the world..…”
~Our Lady’s Words at Fatima
May 13th, 1917🌹
-As always,
Repent & believe in the Gospel
God Bless!
@@Insightful_Inquiries I could very well leave my home parish in favor of attending the SSPX exclusively but I have chosen to stay where I am to help make my parish more of what it should be. God love you.