Downtown would thrive with or without the stadium being built there. The Browns probably play on average a total of 8 games during the regular season at home. The infrastructure of the stadium AND the surrounding area was a total misstep to begin with. AND there has not been any real development on the lakefront. Why would it matter where it’s located if it’s still in the county? Why wouldn’t you want other areas in the city/county to thrive? This is clearly politics.
Nothing but political posturing. I'm from Buffalo originally, having moved to this area many years ago, and am a fan of both the Bills AND Browns. Buffalo is also building a new stadium (it's WAY past time for one as their current one is 51 years old) and their new stadium is currently being built, literally, across the street from the existing one, which is in Orchard Park - about 20 or 25 minutes south of Buffalo. It's not the LEAST bit unusual for some NFL teams to have their home games played outside of the downtown area or even outside of the city limits. This is almost comical to make such a big deal about this. I don't even understand why the county executive here is talking about this (well, yes I do). Buffalo also has a downtown with businesses and restaurants and bars. They do just fine and are busy most nights year round. Cleveland has two other teams that play downtown. He acts like these "poor businesses who count on the football games for their revenue stream" will go under or something. LOL. They play EIGHT games a year and he's making a pitch about how the businesses will suffer? Finally, and here's the real "mic drop", or so to speak about the whole discussion. It's already been addressed and reported on that even with the funding to upgrade the existing stadium, the renovations are expected to last only "ten to fifteen years" ........ BUT, the city wants the Browns to sign a thirty year lease. Anyone? Anyone? It's a moot point because in ten or fifteen years we'll just be right back to this same point again. Just get into the twenty first century, stop with the antiquated, small thinking ideas (it's ALL political anyhow) and build a dome and beautiful new complex in Brook Park. It would be HUGE for the entire region.
I'm in Buffalo and I think the county did a disservice by not building the new bills stadium Downtown. It would've encouraged more development in the city. It's still a ghost town at night in downtown Buffalo and nothing to do. Yeah, we have the waterfront, but after a while, that gets boring. Cleveland has a better vibrant Downtown than Buffalo in my opinion.
@@retrowarehouse2554not by much, the brook park stadium is right by 3 highways and the airport, sure traffic is gonna get a lot busier there on sundays where the majority of people are off work, but much better than having the current stadium which i fear of getting hepatitis A from
@@acatguy23 It's still not feasible for people who don't drive, and downtown is still a better spot. Nearby hotels makes it easier for tourists to get to games as well and people forget about that too. I mean the airport obviously has nearby hotels too, but you can't just walk over to the stadium, though. That's always been a huge problem for suburban stadiums is that the accessibility for pedestrians is nil.
It’s literally going to be walking distance from the RTA Rapid station, if you don’t want to go by rail for super cheap you can always take the bus. If you can’t afford to drive there you probably shouldn’t be going, watch from home or on TV at a sports bar. The same people who smash into cars and mug pedestrians are usually broke East Side bums…better off staying in Downtown where the crime is allowed to go rampant
@@Alex24357someone who rides the train to ups out there it’s not a good sight or travel for kids or families. The stations out that way are trashy and the people
He's so disingenuous. He knows as well as anyone, the Guardians and the Cavs bring more people downtown than the Browns do. The Guards play 81 games down there in the summer, not including playoff runs, the best time to enjoy the downtown scene. During the fall and winter months, the Cavs are in their field house 41 times a year, not including playoffs, plus Rocket Mortgage has other concerts, NCAA, and other events like Disney on Ice to fill out their schedule, which brings more people downtown and to the restaurants and bars than the at max 12 times the current stadium is used, which is also nowhere near any restaurants or bars. There is a bunch of posturing going on going on with the city and county. I haven't seen and development of ANYTHING significant from the lakefront to the flats, just talk. Build some more apartments and things to do in the current browns site and around there. Build up the flats. Shut down that airport that's barely used, build there and that will bring more people downtown than worrying about a stadium that is barely used now and would be literally 15 minutes at most from it's current location.
The city of Cleveland is still paying back the initial loan from 1999. Over 350 million + so far ! Now you want to re up with another billion…screw downtown I never go there anyways because traffic is awful, parking is worse, homeless on the streets and crime lurking around every corner. Hire more police and have more officers allocated for the stadium so we still have adequate staffing
Lol...and Crook Park has no crime. Enjoy the strip clubs out there. Cleveland's downtown is ver safe compared to other cities across the world. Travel a little bit and you will see
Absolutely agree , Downtown Cleveland has so many other major entities they would not be hurting for money , build that thing in Brookpark its 10 mins from Downtown !!!
Yeah, but if all you build up is downtown Cleveland How will Cleveland ever level up as a community you need more than just the downtown area to bring traffic. Stop being greedy to a select few and share the wealth with others.
this guy is so wrong in many ways, first of all he emphasizes talking about downtown and brought up the metroparks, that’s mainly in the suburbs. also he talks the beauty of downtown and making it home to the suburbs as well when all of us go anywhere in the cleveland area but the city itself because the city has trouble getting their crime under control which i thought was funny when he brought up the police when cleveland is extremely understaffed and holds their officers to really low standards while brook park police is tough as nails. also he compared the browns moving to the next suburb under them to the browns turning into the ravens and moving to baltimore, maryland
More bs. Let them move. I’m tired of this already. I can’t afford a ticket now. I’m certainly not going to be able to afford one if the stadium is built at all.
They've had 25 years to develop the lakefront around that stadium and haven't done jack squat. As nostalgic as I am for Browns football in the elements on the lake, it's probably better for all parties long-term to redevelop that area without the stadium & let the Browns move to the end of the Red Line & build JimmyWorld.
ITS 2024 JUST TAKE CARE OF THE AIRPORT AND JAIL, THOSE RENDERINGS ON THE LAKEFRONT ARE HORRIBLE, WE NÈED SOME TYPE OF CREATIVE IDEAS,THE CITY AND COUNTY CANT COMPETE WITH BROOKPARK
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY FELLOW AMERICANS. I HAVE MEMORIES OF FREEZER BURNS ON MY REAR END AS I SAT FREEZING TO DEATH WATCHING THE BROWNIES LOOSE GAME AFTER GAME IN THE DOWNTOWN FROZEN STADIUM. THAT DOWNTOWN BROWNS STADIUM IS A GREAT BIG WIND TUNNEL. The food vendors did their best to keep the food warm. But no matter how hard they tried, the food got cold. I say the BROWNS OWNER should move to BROOKPARK. The future of the BROWNS FRANCHISE will improve GREATLY.
Dan Gilbert making money from rocket mortgage field house is Pennie’s. It’s a hobby project. His mortgage origination company has something like a $36billion value. He’s redeveloping the entire tower city district with his real estate company… This is all political posturing and kind of weird by the county considering Brookpark is in the county… imagine living in a county that’s telling you your community is worth less than the big metro next door… I’d be voting those guys out…
Im I the only one who thinks this........ Why are we relying on a sport to fuel the economy in Cleveland.......does anyone else see how wildy nieve that is????? Wr worried about browns playin downtown where the majority of people who actually live in Cleveland cant afford to go to a fucking game.....or pay their regular bills or just live with comfort......but yea we worried about the browns where the players make millions and the owner has billions.....WTF ARE YALL REALLY SAYING?????
NFL is no longer for you and Me! I'd be willing to bet you dont have good feel how much money $60 million really is. I'll bet if we take all of your lifetime earnings and my lifetime earnings, and my wife's lifetime earnings we'll be lucky to reach 3 million. When teams pay $60 mil a year to QB, $30 mil a year to WR its all over. I'll bet you can get nice 70 high Def TV cheaper than go a single game. Stay home, enjoy the game and pay your bills. That's what I do. Now let the owner build this stadium and hopefully they can attract enouph good players to win Super Bowl. I know at 65 I don't have much time left.
Land downtown is allready very valuable and it can be / should be developed in such way so all of us can use it year round not 9 TIMES a year. Land near airport is an armpit that will become extremely valuable once stadium is built. It's that simple. Downtowns bars and restaurants will be OK. If not, New once will come. Need a facility to use year round. Area will be able to compete for conventions, college football playoffs, college basketball tournaments. This commissioner is protecting some political donor that has money invested downtown. Probably parking lot mafia.
I would agree with you if it was only 9x a year. But there’s big concerts and other events and that pretty much holds the summer vibe together downtown. Maybe I still agree w you anyhow. They can’t do a covered stadium down town?
@@randywatson341 The stadium is used a max of 10 to 12 times a year. Waste of land. Went to Summer Slam the other week and was miserable cause it was so humid, plus the bugs, ridiculous. To answer your question about the dome downtown, no they can't do it down there. The way the current stadium was built, you can't put a dome on it cause it would be too high and block approaches to the airport runways and the FAA won't allow it. In Brookpark, they would be digging down into the ground so maybe 60% of the stadium would be below ground (check the SoFi construction video to get an idea of what I'm talking about) so it won't block airport approached over there. You can't do it on the current location cause to dig that much soil out right next ro the lake would make the ground unstable and could cause the stadium to fall off into the lake or flood constantly. The other proposed plan people had about setting it on the smaller airport site and closing it down can't be done cause it was built on a landfill and it's definitely not stable land to even think about supporting a stadium.
@@thereallyst Your numbers aren’t accurate. You forgot concerts and other events. Your overall point may still be correct but it’s not just used for football.
the LIE about "Gilbert" being upset at competing for events with a Brookpark dome is SAD -I'm pretty sure that a DOWNTOWN dome would ALSO be competition.
It’s what’s best for the Browns and Browns fans not Downtown Cleveland how many teams actually play in the cities they claim Browns fans deserve the best stadium they can get that lunch box mom and pop stadium on the lake is cursed and outdated
Both versions of the stadium by the lake sucked. Let's think forward for once, and not try to drag the memories of Jim Brown from 60+ years ago dictate our future.
They're staying downtown, that Brook Park thing will never get built, just rebuild the area around the stadium downtown and call it a day. Suburbanites would much rather get out of their boring suburbs and be downtown anyways.
Sell the team you build a stadium on Lake Erie without a dome how dumb was that Cleveland Browns have a rich tradition but they can't win the big game time to move on
I've live in Cleveland all my life the one issue I have is it's always future future it takes to long to do sht and people leave when Chicago built the sears tower they blew up after that how much planning your gonna do the ore you build the more people.wanna be here stop making excuses I feel.like it's 1992 all over dead city
Yeah, but if all you build up is downtown Cleveland How will Cleveland ever level up as a community you need more than just the downtown area to bring traffic. Stop being greedy to a select few and share the wealth with others.
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The future is in Brookpark.
Downtown would thrive with or without the stadium being built there. The Browns probably play on average a total of 8 games during the regular season at home. The infrastructure of the stadium AND the surrounding area was a total misstep to begin with. AND there has not been any real development on the lakefront. Why would it matter where it’s located if it’s still in the county? Why wouldn’t you want other areas in the city/county to thrive? This is clearly politics.
This guy is not addressing the issue of the old stadium. Renovation is not the answer.
Nothing but political posturing. I'm from Buffalo originally, having moved to this area many years ago, and am a fan of both the Bills AND Browns. Buffalo is also building a new stadium (it's WAY past time for one as their current one is 51 years old) and their new stadium is currently being built, literally, across the street from the existing one, which is in Orchard Park - about 20 or 25 minutes south of Buffalo. It's not the LEAST bit unusual for some NFL teams to have their home games played outside of the downtown area or even outside of the city limits. This is almost comical to make such a big deal about this. I don't even understand why the county executive here is talking about this (well, yes I do). Buffalo also has a downtown with businesses and restaurants and bars. They do just fine and are busy most nights year round. Cleveland has two other teams that play downtown. He acts like these "poor businesses who count on the football games for their revenue stream" will go under or something. LOL. They play EIGHT games a year and he's making a pitch about how the businesses will suffer? Finally, and here's the real "mic drop", or so to speak about the whole discussion. It's already been addressed and reported on that even with the funding to upgrade the existing stadium, the renovations are expected to last only "ten to fifteen years" ........ BUT, the city wants the Browns to sign a thirty year lease. Anyone? Anyone? It's a moot point because in ten or fifteen years we'll just be right back to this same point again. Just get into the twenty first century, stop with the antiquated, small thinking ideas (it's ALL political anyhow) and build a dome and beautiful new complex in Brook Park. It would be HUGE for the entire region.
Sorry, confused...so the new stadium is across the street in Orchard Park. Wasn't that where they played before the current stadium?
WtF are you talking about? The bills who given a new stadium by the state after voters voted it down and $100 million of tax dollars but no saying
@@zjbell700exactly
I'm in Buffalo and I think the county did a disservice by not building the new bills stadium Downtown. It would've encouraged more development in the city. It's still a ghost town at night in downtown Buffalo and nothing to do. Yeah, we have the waterfront, but after a while, that gets boring. Cleveland has a better vibrant Downtown than Buffalo in my opinion.
Brookpark baby…better for the region.
aside from people flying into the airport on event days lol
Great move!!
Brookpark !!
Brook park sounds way better. Fuck the downtown plan, the area is a rundown shithole of crime.
Yet downtown still way better and easier to get to for people
@@retrowarehouse2554not by much, the brook park stadium is right by 3 highways and the airport, sure traffic is gonna get a lot busier there on sundays where the majority of people are off work, but much better than having the current stadium which i fear of getting hepatitis A from
@@acatguy23 It's still not feasible for people who don't drive, and downtown is still a better spot. Nearby hotels makes it easier for tourists to get to games as well and people forget about that too. I mean the airport obviously has nearby hotels too, but you can't just walk over to the stadium, though. That's always been a huge problem for suburban stadiums is that the accessibility for pedestrians is nil.
It’s literally going to be walking distance from the RTA Rapid station, if you don’t want to go by rail for super cheap you can always take the bus. If you can’t afford to drive there you probably shouldn’t be going, watch from home or on TV at a sports bar. The same people who smash into cars and mug pedestrians are usually broke East Side bums…better off staying in Downtown where the crime is allowed to go rampant
@@Alex24357someone who rides the train to ups out there it’s not a good sight or travel for kids or families. The stations out that way are trashy and the people
My God, the Jets and Giants play in a different state! Nobody cares except govbots desperate to keep their jobs.
He's so disingenuous. He knows as well as anyone, the Guardians and the Cavs bring more people downtown than the Browns do. The Guards play 81 games down there in the summer, not including playoff runs, the best time to enjoy the downtown scene. During the fall and winter months, the Cavs are in their field house 41 times a year, not including playoffs, plus Rocket Mortgage has other concerts, NCAA, and other events like Disney on Ice to fill out their schedule, which brings more people downtown and to the restaurants and bars than the at max 12 times the current stadium is used, which is also nowhere near any restaurants or bars. There is a bunch of posturing going on going on with the city and county. I haven't seen and development of ANYTHING significant from the lakefront to the flats, just talk. Build some more apartments and things to do in the current browns site and around there. Build up the flats. Shut down that airport that's barely used, build there and that will bring more people downtown than worrying about a stadium that is barely used now and would be literally 15 minutes at most from it's current location.
Such a bonehead position by the county. Just wait for haslams to look to a neighboring county for a future stadium instead.
MOVE THEM TO CANTON OHIO
The city and the county officials are acting foolishly.
There is NOTHING attractive about going downtown, nothing.
The city of Cleveland is still paying back the initial loan from 1999. Over 350 million + so far ! Now you want to re up with another billion…screw downtown I never go there anyways because traffic is awful, parking is worse, homeless on the streets and crime lurking around every corner. Hire more police and have more officers allocated for the stadium so we still have adequate staffing
Lol...and Crook Park has no crime. Enjoy the strip clubs out there. Cleveland's downtown is ver safe compared to other cities across the world. Travel a little bit and you will see
Absolutely agree , Downtown Cleveland has so many other major entities they would not be hurting for money , build that thing in Brookpark its 10 mins from Downtown !!!
Yet still hard to get to for people without cars, it will stay downtown
@@retrowarehouse2554 na I disagree fella
@@alexcika9906 That's okay, we'll see how it turns out, but I'm betting they stay downtown.
@retrowarehouse2554 yes sir it will be interesting ALOT of politicking going on for sure
@@retrowarehouse2554RTA Go to Brookpark has been for years 🤦🏾♂️
The city of cleveland has been developing the lake front my entire life its time to move on🤷♂️🤦♂️
they are all talk and don’t execute especially the mayor
This guy makes some good points but he’s also dishonest for comparing a Brook Park move to the Baltimore move.
Yeah, but if all you build up is downtown Cleveland How will Cleveland ever level up as a community you need more than just the downtown area to bring traffic. Stop being greedy to a select few and share the wealth with others.
this guy is so wrong in many ways, first of all he emphasizes talking about downtown and brought up the metroparks, that’s mainly in the suburbs. also he talks the beauty of downtown and making it home to the suburbs as well when all of us go anywhere in the cleveland area but the city itself because the city has trouble getting their crime under control which i thought was funny when he brought up the police when cleveland is extremely understaffed and holds their officers to really low standards while brook park police is tough as nails. also he compared the browns moving to the next suburb under them to the browns turning into the ravens and moving to baltimore, maryland
More bs. Let them move. I’m tired of this already. I can’t afford a ticket now. I’m certainly not going to be able to afford one if the stadium is built at all.
Tell em!!!!
They've had 25 years to develop the lakefront around that stadium and haven't done jack squat. As nostalgic as I am for Browns football in the elements on the lake, it's probably better for all parties long-term to redevelop that area without the stadium & let the Browns move to the end of the Red Line & build JimmyWorld.
ITS 2024 JUST TAKE CARE OF THE AIRPORT AND JAIL, THOSE RENDERINGS ON THE LAKEFRONT ARE HORRIBLE, WE NÈED SOME TYPE OF CREATIVE IDEAS,THE CITY AND COUNTY CANT COMPETE WITH BROOKPARK
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY FELLOW AMERICANS. I HAVE MEMORIES OF FREEZER BURNS ON MY REAR END AS I SAT FREEZING TO DEATH WATCHING THE BROWNIES LOOSE GAME AFTER GAME IN THE DOWNTOWN FROZEN STADIUM. THAT DOWNTOWN BROWNS STADIUM IS A GREAT BIG WIND TUNNEL. The food vendors did their best to keep the food warm. But no matter how hard they tried, the food got cold. I say the BROWNS OWNER should move to BROOKPARK. The future of the BROWNS FRANCHISE will improve GREATLY.
Dan Gilbert making money from rocket mortgage field house is Pennie’s. It’s a hobby project. His mortgage origination company has something like a $36billion value. He’s redeveloping the entire tower city district with his real estate company…
This is all political posturing and kind of weird by the county considering Brookpark is in the county… imagine living in a county that’s telling you your community is worth less than the big metro next door… I’d be voting those guys out…
Agree 💯%👍🏾
Im I the only one who thinks this........
Why are we relying on a sport to fuel the economy in Cleveland.......does anyone else see how wildy nieve that is????? Wr worried about browns playin downtown where the majority of people who actually live in Cleveland cant afford to go to a fucking game.....or pay their regular bills or just live with comfort......but yea we worried about the browns where the players make millions and the owner has billions.....WTF ARE YALL REALLY SAYING?????
NFL is no longer for you and Me! I'd be willing to bet you dont have good feel how much money $60 million really is. I'll bet if we take all of your lifetime earnings and my lifetime earnings, and my wife's lifetime earnings we'll be lucky to reach 3 million. When teams pay $60 mil a year to QB, $30 mil a year to WR its all over. I'll bet you can get nice 70 high Def TV cheaper than go a single game. Stay home, enjoy the game and pay your bills. That's what I do. Now let the owner build this stadium and hopefully they can attract enouph good players to win Super Bowl. I know at 65 I don't have much time left.
“Brook Park Browns”. It has a nice ring to it.
Dumb!
This wasn't a propaganda piece.
Browns will have a dome downtown, and it will be placed at Burke Lake front airport. In which they are clearing out right now.
Land downtown is allready very valuable and it can be / should be developed in such way so all of us can use it year round not 9 TIMES a year. Land near airport is an armpit that will become extremely valuable once stadium is built. It's that simple. Downtowns bars and restaurants will be OK. If not, New once will come. Need a facility to use year round. Area will be able to compete for conventions, college football playoffs, college basketball tournaments. This commissioner is protecting some political donor that has money invested downtown. Probably parking lot mafia.
I would agree with you if it was only 9x a year. But there’s big concerts and other events and that pretty much holds the summer vibe together downtown.
Maybe I still agree w you anyhow. They can’t do a covered stadium down town?
@@randywatson341 The stadium is used a max of 10 to 12 times a year. Waste of land. Went to Summer Slam the other week and was miserable cause it was so humid, plus the bugs, ridiculous.
To answer your question about the dome downtown, no they can't do it down there. The way the current stadium was built, you can't put a dome on it cause it would be too high and block approaches to the airport runways and the FAA won't allow it. In Brookpark, they would be digging down into the ground so maybe 60% of the stadium would be below ground (check the SoFi construction video to get an idea of what I'm talking about) so it won't block airport approached over there. You can't do it on the current location cause to dig that much soil out right next ro the lake would make the ground unstable and could cause the stadium to fall off into the lake or flood constantly. The other proposed plan people had about setting it on the smaller airport site and closing it down can't be done cause it was built on a landfill and it's definitely not stable land to even think about supporting a stadium.
@@thereallyst Your numbers aren’t accurate. You forgot concerts and other events. Your overall point may still be correct but it’s not just used for football.
the LIE about "Gilbert" being upset at competing for events with a Brookpark dome is SAD -I'm pretty sure that a DOWNTOWN dome would ALSO be competition.
It’s only 28 years old why would anyone tear it down. Especially since it’s tax payers money.
No one wants to go downtown anymore.
It’s what’s best for the Browns and Browns fans not Downtown Cleveland how many teams actually play in the cities they claim Browns fans deserve the best stadium they can get
that lunch box mom and pop stadium on the lake is cursed and outdated
Why would they move the stadium that’s weird 💯
Let's go cleveland Brown s
Both versions of the stadium by the lake sucked. Let's think forward for once, and not try to drag the memories of Jim Brown from 60+ years ago dictate our future.
Not worth it Cleveland……..seeing kristi however, worth whatever she says 😍😍
They're staying downtown, that Brook Park thing will never get built, just rebuild the area around the stadium downtown and call it a day. Suburbanites would much rather get out of their boring suburbs and be downtown anyways.
Sell the team you build a stadium on Lake Erie without a dome how dumb was that Cleveland Browns have a rich tradition but they can't win the big game time to move on
I've live in Cleveland all my life the one issue I have is it's always future future it takes to long to do sht and people leave when Chicago built the sears tower they blew up after that how much planning your gonna do the ore you build the more people.wanna be here stop making excuses I feel.like it's 1992 all over dead city
The snowy shore of Lake Erie.
Yeah, but if all you build up is downtown Cleveland How will Cleveland ever level up as a community you need more than just the downtown area to bring traffic. Stop being greedy to a select few and share the wealth with others.