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How to PERFECTLY Deny a D&D Mission In-Character - Vox Machina, Ep. 47 | Critical Role Demystified
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2024
- This is more of a low-key, downtime/planning/exposition session, but it still offers several useful lessons!
CW: Language
Chapters:
00:00 - Lesson: Making Magic Items Slightly More Difficult to Identify
03:08 - Lesson: Cerkonos’ Lore Drop
04:45 - Lesson: How Matt Runs Dream Sequences
10:03 - Lesson: How to Respectfully Say “My Character Wouldn’t Go On This Mission”
16:40 - Lesson: How Matt Got His Westruun Plot Hook to the Players
21:40 - Recap: Recon, Confessions, and Strategy
24:05 - Outro
You can watch the full episode here:
Episode 47 - The Family Business
• The Family Business | ...
Timecodes:
Grog Tells Scanlan About Craven Edge: 2:36:51 - 2:49:15
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Have you ever had a memorable dream sequence in a D&D game?
The Night in the Mind of Evil and the Silvanesti dreams from Dragonlance are both pretty amazing.
Edit: Congratulations on the kid!
An entire month-long segment of one game (we were young and played twice a week, so it was 8 sessions) was in a dream but the PCs didn't realize it until the end. The god of nightmares had ensnared them, and things just kept getting worse and worse for them. Whenever one of them would die (they were high level so they'd just resurrect their own people), I would pull that person aside and say "So, when you died, you woke up in the nightmare temple... where you've been this entire time. Don't tell anyone, and play your 'resurrected character' like it's secretly a villain...
2 for the same character in one I was a loved hero and respected inventer surrounded by friends and loved ones and died old and happy. In the second I was followed by clouds of ash and embers surrounded by bodies both friend and foe till fire consumed me and I burned all I touched. My DM disscribed better of course.
I always marvel at how good is Travis as a player. Even with these videos that helps me reaffirm on that.
If you haven’t seen it I highly recommend XP to Level 3’s video on Travis, it goes over many ways in which Travis is basically the ideal player at a table. He knows when to go with the party, when to push buttons, when to give other people the scene and is always pumping up both the DM and his fellow players.
@@fakjbf3129 I'll look it up, thanks for the recommendation.
@@fakjbf3129 Laura may be the over-all most entertaining player on the show in my opinion, but Travis is the one I'd want at may table.
@@fakjbf3129 Travis grunt and growl cheers whenever Ashley rages in C2 is the best.
Travis is so amazing it's great
My personal Mandela effect is that the strings in vax's dreams were red
They were
@@abrilvonbunny6205 Nope, at least not how Matt described it in this episode, only as "glowing".
@OccidentalAvian yeah I rewatched the scene, I mean maybe later they're given a red color but if not it's either my mind defaulted to red threads, or the phrase "like a heartbeat" put the color red into my brain
This is a good channel. This is a good series. I like Mike.
Hear hear!
OMG you're expecting!? CONGRATS!!!
A lot of cool moment and takeaways from this episode. Watching through the first season, Travis was one of my favorites to see how his play style evolved over time. Great stuff!
Literally checked my subscribers and couldn't see the new CRD video and clicked another video and got about 30 seconds in before the notification popped up lol
Another brilliant video Mike 👏🏻 couldn’t have said it better myself
I love these series ❤
I'm currently bindge watching/listening C1 and this helps a lot to clarify the parts I've fell asleep on or just didn't understand. Thanks so much. As a DM wannabe I enjoy the tips about the game a lot.
Seeing this in my sub box got me so excited 🎉
So…she has to give it the ol huak tuah?
Congratulations 🎉 on your first baby!!
...I'd be kind of tempted to just make draconic Welsh if I were running a game with draconic or an equivalent in it. Which would make candle 'cannwyll' - And that double l is not an easy sound for english monoglots to pronounce.
Travis is such a great player.
I’ve had a theory that cravens edge was originally going to be revealed to be the sword of kas but was changed when Spoiler Grog destroys the sword
That was only in the animated series. In the campaign, they instead plane shift it to a pocket dimension that used to belong to an enemy from their prestream days. If Matt wanted Craven Edge to be the Sword of Kas, they could easily have done so while adding more detail to something the audience never saw.
@@ellysemilton1309 thanks
Congratulations on having a child!
dude you are having a baby?? awwww
FYI, you don't fire a bow and arrow as the "fire" refers to the ignition you get from gunpowder or equivalent, so guns and cannons. In archery, or other tension based ranged weapons like catapults, you say 'shoot', 'loose' or 'release'.
I say fire, and lots of movies do too. In fact my pc fired a fire arrow at a bbeg. I guess the arrow is collecting unemployment today.
logically that makes sense however…..every archer/bow hunter I’ve met in real life says fire.
holy shit congrats on being a dad dude!
Love that Matt Mercer paid homage to R.A. Salvatore calling the Barb leader Kevdack instead of Revjack
I actually believe Kevdak was named by Travis in his backstory, and Travis was new to D&D - so it might just be a happy coincidence!
the OH FUCK ME at 19:56 lives rent free in my head
What a joy and a terror to become a father, many well wishes to you and your family.
Just to say, Broom of Flying isn’t atunement so wouldn’t know about it per se and… holy fuck are they oblivious to the Identify spell in this campaign. Like the amount of trouble they went through to identify things. And the staggering difference from then and any other campaign. Seriously. It’s ridiculous in hindsight.
Well of course they were oblivious to it, nobody in the party could cast it except theoretically Scanlan, which would take up one of his precious few bard spells since he can't just prepare/unprepare it. Caleb in C2 is a wizard and can ritual cast it from his spellbook without having to prepare it.
“This is a good channel, I like Mike!” Cmon guys it’s gotta catch on
Hi sir, Are you looking for professional UA-cam thumbnail designer?
Bro. I've been watching your vids for a bit over a year now but recently I'm having a bit of a hard time understanding your words. I hope I don't come up as rude, but I wish you could slow down how you talk a bit for us non native english speaker critical role fans. Thank you.
Ooh, first use of the mansion!
aww :D my bub was due last year april 29th
Love to hear your takes on this, it was one of my favourite arcs because Travis as a player makes it so interesting, despite Grog being a fairly limiting character. Can't wait for the next one :D
Very nice episode
Reginald is my favorite 20-minute NPC. Heartbreaking.
I've been watching since pretty much your first few months on UA-cam. Today I subscribed (I don't usually subscribe to channels) because you pulled on my heartstrings with the birth of your first child. Well played.
In regards to Magic Item Knowledge and Identify...
Keep in mind they came from a Pathfinder game, which is basically D&D 3.5; a system which did indeed have rules in ragards to magic items, and needing to identify them before you just slap them on. Most of the time, you need Identify, Analyze Dweomer, or a Use Magic Item or Spellcraft check to figure out 1 or all of the functions of a magic item (The exception is Artificers, who can basically do all that with a Spellcraft/UMD check from class abilities).
5E really did that terribly, because that had been a core restraint on players with magic items since the beginning... "Quick, get the Magic-User/Wizard to see what this does!". Also, there weren't restraints on how many magic items you could have...which, I think is 5E's detriment, because it would compensate those 12-17 levels still have SOMETHING, because you'd have magic item expansions to draw on...
I have many, MANY, complaints as to the methods of 5E madness WotC put into the game... probably why I haven't played it for years, and wont run it anymore; but that stuff was always a "thorn in my side"...annoying, but wasn't a deal breaker.
...no, the deal breaker was WotC bastardising every other setting to be compatible with their "Forgettable Realms", turning Eberron into "Wand-guns", and making almost every new subclass a power creep!
...sorry, Iv gone slightly off topic! LOL!
Been watching your videos enough to realise it's silly that I'm not subbed already.
Congrats on your upcoming parenthood!
goddayum Travis played that situation really well, what a chad!
Travis is one of the best roleplayers I've ever seen.
"Grog does not think he's dumb" I mean he has an intellegence of 6, I think he's fine.
Congratulations on your first kid!
As a GM, there's a small thing here that shows a commonly repeated rule of GMing isn't 100% true.
You can tell your player how their character feels.
Matt uses the dreams and describes the feelings characters have in the moment. When Matt describes Grog laughing, Travis joins in with it and takes the ride. You don't show Scanlon's save against Craven Edge, but the way Matt describes Scanlon's own selfimage and charisma beating Craven Edge literally causes Sam to straighten up in pride and confidence.
As GMs, we are describing the world and feelings are part of that description. You can't tell the player how the character acts or reacts, but you can tell them the feelings they get and let them react to them as their character.
But also don't use strong language. Use subtlety like Matt. Don't say a character is afraid. Say, they quiver as they stamp their feet ready to push back. Your job isn't to control the character, but to communicate to the player the experience.
To properly do this, you have to understand the subtle difference between emotions and the incoming stimuli that cause them. Behind a feeling of fear is an uneasy tension. Attentiveness. Not everyone responds the same to the triggering of a fight-or-flight response, and by telling them their response it can feel like you're taking away their agency. Ideally, you don't tell your players what their character feels, but you can tell them enough about the sensations they experience to make them reach the conclusion you want them to reach about how they feel. This is actually how authors operate, fun fact. Because fictional characters (at least well written ones) aren't just puppets to the author's whim, they're fully realized people that just happen to not exist. So to some extent, any good author needs to have this deep empathetic understanding of the human mind, as well as a knack for what is essentially emotional manipulation.
So yeah. The very subtle difference between emotion and the physical sensations that go with them is a distinction you want to be able to both make for yourself and convince others of, as a DM.
Weekly… pleeeeease 🙏
It seems the unsubscribe ghost has made an appearance in UA-cam even though I watch like every video
I have been pushing this channel to all my DND friends. But yo! Congrats on continuing to build your family! I wish both you and your partner the best!
I burst out with a laugh seeing the face Sam pulled at 9:08
I love Grog as a character, especially how much he balances the berserker feel of being a big strong barbarian with his gentleness towards his friends. Craven Edge is such a perfect way to drive that home, since the points where they diverge in interests are the highlights of Grog as a character. (SPOILERS) It's also perfect that the Craven Edge arc is starting to ramp towards an ending right as Grog is getting a power boost from the Knuckles and the Blood Axe, and I question if Matt had that planned or if that happened organically.
Travis's response to finding out it's his herd in Westruun is so great. The realization that he's not going to be able to avoid this anymore dropping on him like a weight.
I think most Critters would agree that any of the players would be an amazing addition to their table. If I was allowed to invite one of them, it would be Travis.
Hw does so very well with:
1) being a cheerleader for the other players (and Matt's maps)
2) sharing the spotlight
2a) drawing others into a moment
3) playing his characters' "flaws"/quirks in a way that they aren't a true detriment to the party, and, more specifically, to the other players' fun
Great video, Mike.
are u already using your child to get sub ? and sympathy ? dammmn ,not even born ,already used
3:00 Naturally with Sam being the master of the long game, this comes full circle in the final battle of the campaign and it’s amazing.
SPOILERS BELOW
Could you jog my memory ?
@@Jaalgo IIRC Sam/Scanlan only agrees to help with the broom if Laura/Vex agrees to do something for him in the future. I believe it culminates in Vex (and Laura) having to wear a witch hat while flying the broom against Vecna.
@@MajorHickE And he uses minor illusion (i think) to make her green a la Elphaba in Wicked in which Laura follows up with singing the first few words of Defying Gravity. It’s a great example of how well the cast plays off each other and embrace “yes, and”
3:42 For a second I thought you were talking about Raoshaun like Raoshaun and Camhort the Primordials
Can't wait two weeks!!! It'd be so awesome to get the series to become weekly
I seem to recall there being some discourse/critique in the community of the parties 'lack of thought' with regards to Reginald in this episode, specifically leaving him with a dead goliath and not really helping him explain it away much. That being said, wouldn't be surprised if my brain is amplifying a few lone comments or such, lol.
I really need to learn more from Travis about the "My character wouldn't do this". There's a lot of times I make characters specifically to accept whatever to not be issues within the group, but I would love to have characters put into situations where they want to say no but I as a player am ok with it.
Could that be a future video, though? Both how to focus on it as a player, but also from the other perspectives: How as a DM or a player around the table do we go around the situation where someone shuts down and becomes a brick wall without stomping on someone's toes?
My prediction for what next week’s video will be about: How to set puzzles for your party. This was definitely one of my least favorite puzzles that Matt has set because so much of it relied on brute forced trial and error.
While I'm positively surprised how good of a player Travis is and how great Grog is. As a fan of the goliath lore from 3.5e, I can't help but feel disappointed in the way they're presented in Critical Role. They're like discount orcs, even the term "herd" comes of as a replacement for the word "horde". Strikes me as a missed opportunity to show a physically strong race that isn't a bunch of bastards.
I think that is partially explained as Kevdak being the reason for the herd being bastards and that post-Kevdak there is the possibility for them to become better.
Though that was likely also depending on Grog's choice to lead them versus letting them go on their own. It now kind of depends of Grog's cousin.
It should be noted that not all goliaths in the campaign are warlike, it was only Kevdak's influence in this case. The Rivermaw Herd was a peaceful tribe until they were conquered by the Herd of Storms and after Kevdak's death returned to being peaceful. One of it's members even becomes the Master of Development on the Council of Tal'Dorei, Edelbern Cleareyes.
These CR videos get uploaded in sync with my paychecks, so now I associate them with payday. Congrats on the baby by the way!
Ugh! Travis roleplaying in this episode is awesome!
Travis is like the D&D role model of a perfect player. He’s amazing. Great video, Mike!
I know this wasn't the theme of this video, but the negatives of "only identify can ID magic items" thing actually causes some problems in C2.
Liam, completely in character as Caleb, at one point becomes the arbiter of "who gets what items" because he's the only one who knows Identify and this visually pisses off half the cast in one episode. In the Talks Machina that week he even mentions how bad it was so clearly there were some conversations had off line about it. He stopped doing it after that.
If a group of people who are normally pretty selfless due to their background as actors and improvisers can get sucked into the power struggle of ID-ing objects, any group can. I think that's why they make it so easy to ID objects now, the potential for abuse is just way too high.
Do you remember which episode that happened? I think they removed all of the talks machina so I'm kinda interested to see the moment you're referring to.
I think part of the issue there is also Liam's unwillingness to break character during sessions.
If he had broken character long enough to say I'm only withholding information until everything's identified because that's just how Caleb does identification (by being methodical and focused until the task is done). Then the others would have probably chilled out. The problem was Caleb was coming across as shifty and secretive instead of focused and methodical.
Doesn't help that Caleb was sort of introduced as a conman of sorts so there was more than enough reason to believe Caleb was untrustworthy.
It's one of those things where I think the lesson will be sometimes being too incharacter can cause problems and taking the moment to just explain to the other players what your doing can potentially relieve the negative tension and allow them to relax.
It is one of Liam's flaws that he sometimes takes incharacter things a bit too far. But that kind of combines with Liam's other flaw of being slow on the uptake sometimes. Because I guess he could have taken a moment to explain as Caleb his process had he caught on to the other players' discomfort quicker.
Not saying this is necessarily a bad thing or wrong. Just an opportunity to see that roleplaying can go too far and you need to make sure that the other players understand your intentions. You might reason that you want their reactions to be natural, but remember having fun is more important than acting incharacter. Also if the other players understand your intention they can still give you the reactions of their characters without becoming anxious themselves. It's role-playing not method acting.
@@Not_Harvard so it started in episode 8, ID-ing just a few items takes 20 minutes as Liam just drags everything out. He refuses to tell anyone what the Wand of Smiles does, he just pockets it saying it's too dangerous. He lies about what the shackles do (but Matt told the whole group they weren't magic already), then he pockets the glove of fire thing saying it's too dangerous as well until Beau calls him out. He gave Nott and Jester the wand at the same time which distracts for a bit but Marsha had to remind him about the glove he pocketed.
Very soon after this (so maybe not right after this episode, but in the next 5 or so) he says on TM that he won't be such a jerk with items. But it is noticeable that by the time the episodes are in the 20s while Caleb still tries to "assign" items, Liam tells everyone what they do.
It's 5 years ago so I didn't remember it exactly right but Marisha, Travis and Laura aren't exactly thrilled with Liam.
@@verdantmistral442 for sure, it clearly wasn't done with ill intent, but Liam just pulling an innocent version of "it's what my character would do" not realizing it's not good for the table.
Liam seems to get in his own way sometimes, like the time later in C2 when he asked everyone to leave the table when some backstory stuff came out when that's not how they ever handled that scenario with other characters. On its own, that's not bad either, just annoying and at another table it might actually be a problem. "Why can you hear our backstory but we can't hear yours?"
At the wrong table one person controlling all information about items is asking for trouble.
I agree it was an issue, but I also thought of casting Identify on all the items before dealing with any of them as a bit of a nod to Caleb’s Keen Mind. Most people would want to give the information for each item immediately to avoid mixing up which item had what abilities, but since Caleb didn’t have to worry about that he could gather all the information and then move on to presenting it all. That was probably mostly me overthinking it, but it seemed like an interesting explanation when it occurred to me, so I thought I’d share it
Awe i just want to say congrats on the soon to be lil one.
I never noticed Sam’s face at 9:05
Priceless!
Thank you for pointing that one out! Excellent! 🤣
I love the tankard coming down to reveal “oh shiiiit” 😂
Aaaawwww comgrats on the baby! That's so exciting!
Always a highlight of my biweekly Thursdays.
Outro Mike: Into the Frostweald will a lot of *cool* little lessons.
Me: Ha, I see what you did there.
In all seriousness, Travis is a living masterclass in how to rp characters without stepping on the toes of others. Managing to portray character thoughts and feelings while also being flexible with his conversations and open to ideas and suggestions. It can be difficult to do that with a stubborn/prideful character. Real props to the guy.
When your backstory comes a calling XD
Subscribed. Congrats on the kiddo!