He Told Me To Resist The Harley Davidson Changes - This Happened
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2023
- Harley Davidson's have changed a lot over the years. They told me my first Harley Davidson Fat Boy was not a "real" Harley Davidson. Now I ride an M8 Street Glide Special, is that acceptable? What about the direction Harley Davidson is taking with the new CVO models - will the Harley "essence" remain - or are they destroying the brand?
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You've got to love the Evo's though, sound, feel and reliability. Luv 'em
Couldn't agree more!
1999 heritage with that evo engine was butter.
My 2006 has an EVO based S&S engine!
I'd rather ride any Harley Davidson that isn't a livewire
Lol, I think many agree with you
Well that is not a motorcycle......it's an appliance!
@davidnadeau6441 you got that right.
There's no way that you'd see me riding up at Sturgis or Daytona Bike Week and expecting to be taken seriously.
If I were at Daytona Bike Week and saw someone ride up on a Harley Livewire, I damn sure wouldn't have taken them seriously.
I'd call them the ultimate example of a R.U.B.
@@karlsmith2570you’d get run off the road 😂
@@user-vw4rv7em1k thus the reason why I'd never ride a Livewire
Nothing wrong with change....as long as its embraced with some positivity! Updating a motorbike is just like updating a car to a later model with different or refined specs. I say.....go where your head and heart leads you....try then buy.....or keep what you got and still enjoy riding it! Ride safe mate 😎
Thanks for watching
😎👍
Big thumbs up for the channel...
Big thanks again
Change for change sake.. not always a great idea. Change for improvement of quality and value is always welcome. I actually like the look of the new Fatboy without taking anything away from the older models. That term " go with the flow" I don't particularly agree with. Only dead fish go with the flow 😊
Thanks for watching, great comment
I have been a mechanic for decades now and I have found that Harley has a problem when they release new products. With the early evos there was a gear matching issue in the gear box, with the twin cam it was the oil pressure relief valve in the oil pump, with the M8 it was a sumping issue. Now with the VVT in the new CVO I am waiting to see what happens. I was working on VVT motors in the early 90's so there is no reason for Harley to screw the pooch but they do have a habit of fucking the simplest of tasks. Wouldn't touch on of those motors for about 4 years.
Thanks, I agree, i usually wait till the bugs have been ironed out
You have to take the last versions of a modelline. I just bought a used RKS 2023!
When change becomes familiar then acceptance will follow. Always has, always will. Ride on brother!
very wise - thank you
Hi meet you at the event I have the new 2023 road glide cvo , before that I had a modded m8 breakout & a 2015 road glide special , the breakout was fun but the cvo road glide is something else , I'm enjoying the new versions
Everyone says "the good old days were..... ".
I live in a climate that has no more than 8 months of the year that the roads aren't covered in ice or snow - sure, we enjoy snowmobiling through the mountains in the winter for kicks - but when the warm weather shows up, I'll jump on my shovel till it breaks down, then my Shadow, rip through the bush on my XR500 or ride down Main St on my *1976* *CT90* *
RIP HD Inc, 1903-1999
1991 FXR, 80" motor. That thing didn't have enough power to get out of it's own way. Now with a 120" motor she purrs. So much for the classic, but I did keep the 80" engine, just in case
I have no issue with change and I love ALL Harley Davidons, hell I love all motorcycles…… I think if people don’t like the changes don’t buy them and keep what you got!
Thanks, wise words
The old ones are old.....and classics. Us HD riders still get shit for riding 1960s technology even on a new one. HD had to keep up with the times as well as satisfy the old timers. I think they have done a good job. My last one was an 85 Evo 4 spd kicker that I loved and had for decades and I bought a new Softail Std and love it. I would love to have an old classic as well as the new fresh and dependable standard. Right now I have a 14 Sporty 72 and a 20 Std and love them both and ride both enough to keep them in the stable. I'm guilty of liking the ride just a tad more than tinkering with my bikes. May take on an old shovel project once I retire and have more time. I'm good for now though-Great post again mate.
Thank you
My. 2018 SGS has just shy of 58,000 miles of smiles. One compensator replaced under warranty and one clutch seal (hydraulic) recall. The other day I was having lunch with my son. He said to me, “Pop, you talk about about maintenance and issues with your motorcycles but I never hear to talk about your Harley when it comes to that? “ That says it all, my Harley has been just a dream to have in my stable. Life is good…
Another great vid Aymen, so loving the channel. Loved the transition clip to comfortable clothing. Well done!
Thank you
Change is the norm. When I woke up this morning I had different cells than I do this evening. I can’t stay the same. Embrace change, it’s going to happen.
Spot on!
New ways open opportunities. Thanks Aymen, another great one! My Grandpa rode a horse to work, best reliable equipment on the farm. then, he changed to a machine and the family was blessed with new opportunities. Change is good.
Thank you
The new RG fairing reminds of Gort /The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951).
Lol thats old school
"Klatu Barata Nikto".
Aymen, The guy who worked with you was right, evolution was not a real Harley until 93 I believe 😂
lol
Thank you Aymen... I guess now that we are Older ( Not Dead ) we have become a Classic
😉🏍🌸
Lol we certainly are Claire
@@OldNotDead-Club 💖🌸
Bought my first Harley, (2023 breakout) last February. Frankly, I don’t give a stuff what anyone else’s idea of a “real” Harley is!
Thanks
a wise, thoughtprovoking speech. thank you!
Thanks for watching
I’m an old school guy for sure when it comes to what I buy,not talking about bikes that are 50 yo or older,I ride a 03 Heritage Softail Classic and the nostalgic look of an older bike is really appealing
Thanks I agree
I kept my Evo Fat Boy & still ride it almost on the daily. Actually I have had and still own many other FL & FXDWG evo's & what I love about Evo's is that I can afford to have several of them instead of just one modern very Expensive one, which at the end of the day wouldn't put any bigger of a smile on my face then what I have already. This way my Sons and friends who don't have bikes can come riding with me. The Evo's run for ever, make great father/son projects & are easy enough to repair. But each to thier own also 👍
The evo's are awesome
Another informative video thanks Aymen ❤
Thanks Karyn, appreciated
I don't need to spend a fortune on a time machine, an old sportster is my time machine, in the mirror is my past in the saddle is my present out front is my future
Thank you
My opinion of others goes way down as soon as they say - ya gotta wear this or that - ya gotta ride this or that etc. Why would anyone want to "fall in line" and be just like everyone else?
conforming is human nature for most people
I am 75 and have owned so many Harleys i lost count, I've had 4 fatboys including the 2022 i own now. Loved them all. Want your m8 to sound like (a real harley) pipes and a cam will do the trick, not to mentioon how a 114 performs with a cam and tune.
Exactly!
Man I love those old 36 knuckleheads- I will never be able to afford one tho.
Love my twin cam but my 114 FB goes quicker. The headlight did take some getting used to - the USA freight train style. I like it now but I still love the look of the old fatty.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Safe rides. 👍🤜
Thanks for watching
I think the difference is, Harley changing is because the world, everything, is changing. Harleys, like life...out parents lives, grandparents etc...were all just an evolution, a continuity. A pan, a shovel, an evo, all were an evolution of a family.
But now the tech revolution is changing everything in haywire, unpredictable ways.
Now, a harley is likely liquid cooled. You have the sportster, whatever that plastic looking thing is. The idle sounds like a Suzuki cruiser. The potato is dead, never coming back. Harley has a fetish with black now.
Anyway I could go on, but hopefully my point is understood. This time, change is not the same. It's a new direction, not an advancement of what it used to mean to be a harley over 100 years.
People like to complain...mad because it changes....mad cause they dont change. 🤪
Lol spot on
I have three Harleys a 1978 shovelhead flh (modified many times) a 91 springer softtail, and a 92 Electra Glide Ultra Classic.
The shovelhead is still my favorite.
Very cool, thanks for watching
Still not dead 😊 another good one Aymen, btw the M8s are awesome 😜
lol good to see you are alive!!
I didn’t start riding a Harley until 2007. I bought a 2008 Heritage at that time. Today, I prefer the modern Fatboy over the Fatboy of that time when I started riding a Harley. I like my 114 CI M8 today a great deal better than my 96 CI twin cam of yesteryear.
Yep the M8 is awesome
I’m content with my 2003 Fat Boy, but I do wish I could the latest model to my garage….
Thanks for watching
Great thoughts!! I was a little hesitant when I saw the new CVO’s, but now I love them! #nextbike
Lol growing on you
Without change we would all be riding round on Flatheads or Knuckles and while that would still be cool to do the newer Harleys have bought real improvements to engine, drive train and chasis braking etc and that has bought more to the rider, all except for the v rods and that was a change too far. IMO. Wont change up from my Dyna though.
Lol, thanks for watching
Making sense. Well said.
Thanks
Remember when Harleys had 55HP ?
Now they have 125HP!
Lol I remember
Another great vid mate, I'm around your vintage and have been riding bikes across all brands and styles since i was a kid. I am now on my third harley a 2021 CVO Streetglide with stage 2 and i love it, change is enivatable and we need to embrace it, bitchin and moaning about it wont change a thing. If companies like Harley don't change no one will buy the product and the company won't be around anymore, is that what people want to happen?
Thanks, wise words
Amon, while agreeing with most of what you have said, Indian at no stage have copied Harley. That latest Road Glide CVO fairing looks like a Challenger copy. I have owned a modern Indian, now have two M8 Harleys. I am not a fan boy for either manufacturer. Doesn't mean the bike, the CVO RG is crap, just that they have probably spent their money for wind tunnel aero wisely.
Thanks - that's why i said it's a debatable issue
Amain ; you went over a whole lot of life stories quickly, it wasl.
heavy, change is change keep it alive. Glad you're wife was in there in the past, keep her, keep it true.
Thanks for watching
EVO big twins were HD’s last good motor a little oil leak is nothing compared to major engine defects in Twin Cam and M8.
Many agree with that but none of my twin cams or m8s have had any major dramas
@@OldNotDead-Club I have seen so many videos about M-8 and twin cam engine problems I would not take one for free.
Some we keep, some we move on, a bit like personalities or fav jeans. Best to have a selection IMO
Yeah a selection of bikes is always better
The New model looks GREAT! I DO NOT CARE WHAT FOLKS SAY ABOUT HARLEYS. I DO HAVE ANOTHER Bike, a Kasasaki Zed 900 naked sport. Nothing like a new Harleys...Rode my 2023 FXST until Thanksgiving then she went in for the Screaming Eagle 107 to 119 stage 3 upgrade. maybe I will have her back for Christmas. The work is complete, but the schedule for the dyno to make sure all is good will take a couple of weeks so I will ride the Kawasaki till the snow stops me. I am in Minnesota, USA so if it does snow, then will breaking out the x-country skiis. Thanks for the share. Stay in the wind.👍👍👍
Thanks for watching
It's a no to the modern Fatboy. I am a Fatboy owner 2010.
I think they've gone to far on changing the lines. Keep it old school kool. Just update the power train .
Thanks
I love the look of the new Fat Boys, they just don't corner worth a shit. Downright dangerous as the tire wears. The old ones didn't have any clearance, so the fact they had normal tires was moot. Be awfully nice for HD to "change" and put standard tires on the new ones.
I think the new Street Glide CVO looks really good besides the bland paint. The brown one looks great, but I ain't payin that much for paint. Road Glide has a face only a mother could love and apes aren't my jam.
The best thing about the CVOs I've found from just a showroom visit was the weight reduction. Getting it off the stand was noticeably less intense. Maybe because the fuel tank was empty, I dunno, but I could get on with the Street Glide version. I even liked the firm seat. I could do w/o the speakers in the saddlebags. They just take up space and beg water to drip in and make stuff wet.
I'm stuck in the past now too. I find the 107 to be a wonderful engine with great fueling that is as maintenance free as bikes get. As I put a ton of miles on bikes every year, that's important to me.
Still like the bikes. I don't like all the electronics. I never even turn on my infotainment stuff. I've ridden a couple bikes with the traction control and I really don't like that either
I never use my stereo either but the map is handy!
Hey, Aymen (or anyone) , what handlebar is it on the fatboy at 5:20??
I don’t know how people say Indian is copying Harley when the new cvo rg looks exactly like the Indian when the Indian came out with that look first.
Just go back further. There was a great meme on this posted in our facebook group this morning
Well, I often said I'd never own a Twin-Cam (twinkie), so now I have one -- a Softail... Frankly I was looking for another mid-90s Evo as 50-55hp is about all I need for my riding and I have well over 100K miles on that breed... couldn't find one that suited... I have no idea why somone needs 120+ horspower, inverted forks and whatnot on a Harley (I've got a 150+ real sport tourer, if I need to feel what 100mph in second gear feels like...), but for open road relaxed runnng it is hard to beat Harley, so I am where I am... the four-valve-head Harleys are mechanically interesting, but for what... yeah, I know its part of the package to placate EPA amd EU environmental regs, but...
I love the evo, but the newer bikes are awesome!
Some think change is good, I disagree. Some dislike change, I disagree.
lol, thanks
I don't regret riding a relatively late model Harley, it's so dependable I don't even carry tools.
I agree
I love that jacket
Thank you
I’m positive that I will change exhaust,cam,suspension,infotainment,speakers ,seat,tuner , air filter and plastic air intake manifold ( some are melting). After market companies are doing much better than HD business wise.
you mean producing better products to add to your bike?
No I mean worth. Harley is not doing all that good.
I won't get into debating change as it usually ends up a dead end like debating religion or politics. But I sure do enjoy these electric boxes that connect to each other so I can watch your videos and comment. Didn't use to have these things when I was young.🤔
What or who's music did you use in this video?
lol, thanks for watching. Great example of an awesome change that I love too
What was you thoughts on the cvo .? Compared to your street glide , I’m considering the buy
I liked it, I would probably wait a few years till the afyermarket catches up and the bugs are ironed out. My reaction in this video...
ua-cam.com/video/bcigp63Ge3c/v-deo.html
Thanks
Royal Enfield made the same bike for over 70 yrs, no problem.
Take out sales in 3rd world countries and compare sales?
You mentioned inverted fork tubes. One problem I have with them is that as the seals wear, they have more of a tendency to leak compared to non-inverted forks because, the fork oil lays on the seal. Just my opinion/experience. Valkyries have "inverted" tubes. After changing the seals 3 times, I gave up and just top off the fork oil. It has 113,000miles on it and it's too much work to tear down the front end just to replace the seals. Take the calipers off, take the wheel off, take the fender off, take the turn signals off, then the tubes slide out of the tripple tree. To add oil, just take the cap off the tube add oil and put the cap back on.
My 2012 VROD Muscle have inverted forks. Just changed out the leaky seals.
That's why God gave us rags, to wipe the oil off our bikes.
everything has a trade off
@@OldNotDead-Club I wasn't complaining, just pointing out a drawback. Just add oil, it's a Honda. lol
@@OldNotDead-Club I think inverted forks look better and give you better handling since there is less weight bouncing on the front wheel hence, more stability.
I like the looks of the new Harleys. Indian brought up the need for them to change. It needed to happen, to stay competitive in the market. Plus why not!! New technology use it. Is it better. Maybe. We know it cannot be worse.
Every engine from Harley-Davidson has his issues.
thats probably all engines full stop
Love your videos men , here you have new subscriber, mm what gloves you using men ? I like a lot this look , looking for this look , ofc with some protection , ty
Thank you and welcome to the channel
It's not weather the new bikes are Harley's or not ,but your not going to fix a ECU,fuel injection,twin cam,etc at home or side of the road and not cheap to repair or maintain that's why people call them not real Harley's, Evo for me thanks, don't get mixed up in the real Harley or not argument and lose sight of the issue
Great point
Unlike Shovels, they won’t need side of the road repairs😊
Im 65 and ride a tricky 93 fatty and can do most my own work on it, its my 3 rd after a 76 flh then a 81 shovel but would love to have a nice street glide for some long hauls but wouldn't have a clue how to fix anything on the road !
The new bikes are far more reliable, you won't NEED to fix it by the road.
Ironically the shovel was AMF but Evo isn’t a real Harley 🤔
I got two 2002 TC’s and a 93 Fatboy , all three carb’d. While the Evo captures the cool factor, the TC’s are much nicer to ride. A lot of my buddies ride M8’s and they feel like a Honda , very smooth but I’m not ready to move on to Fuel injection. Just not my cup of tea ☕️ doesn’t mean they aren’t nice.
Thank you
Id rather push a harley than drive something else (exept for my amazon ofcourse😂)
lol
New to HD and can’t wait to get on a 117 Low Rider next year and see what all the fuss is about! It’s the same thing with the Metal underground though which I’ve been into for decades, where new stuff will always be sh&t on by elitists and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. It keeps the bastards honest.
The low rider is a fun bike especially if you release a little of its potential
We're all creatures of habit!
So true
where did you get your jacket?
I had it made - years ago
looks great
@@OldNotDead-Club
I still have my grandfather's 29 peashooter speedway racer so yes anything after 29 ain't a real harley. Nyuk nyuk nyuk
lol - that would be awesome
80mph, no brakes ,leaks oil, mongrel to ride almost like a modern harley but seriously when the modern bonnie came there were the same cretins crying foul.
Yes, but Harley just drags out things before actually making changes for the better (of the customer) and typically change comes when poked by EU EPA Regulators. I would have never bought a Softail (given my riding style and preferences) before the M8. I hated the vibration of the Evo Softails and pre- M8s, I would scrape the bitch even through roundabouts. Bring on the M8 Softails and I actually bought one - much smoother, so much better ground clearance, no tank slapping even at loose your license speeds (only when I was in Mexico), and man, the thing goes, and you don't have to get under the bike with tools to change preload.
Thanks for watching
When are you gunna try a Honda fury. They ain't changed sence they've come out 13 years ago. Just the paint job and any defects get changed.... in Japan they call them Choppa's not choppers. I'm curious on your response to my first bike. My next bike will be the real one and it's going to be the best Harley-Davidson ever. If you Google most reliable dependable lowest maintenance bike you'll see why I chose it. Next will be a belt drive.
Most change is it's now made in CHY NA
Thanks
If you don't leve your past in the past .it will destroy your future, live for what today has to offer, not what yesterday has taken away , new harley old harley dosen't matter the wind dosen't change
Just IMO, yes Indian copied Harley originally, & now with the new CVO's it sure looks like Harley is copying Indian.
Many will agree with you
Love my ‘22 Streetglide special and my ‘22 Fatboy. Big improvement over my 06 Softail. Not to discredit the 06. But the new bikes have more power and just ride nicer.
I agree
Well indian was copying Harley. But as soon as harley put the accent lighting on the fairing. It went to being an Indian copy
Don't like the new fat boy wheels (my opinion) 😊
Yeah, they grew on me - eventually
Not me still don't like them
Resist change? Harley is an old woman with new make up.
Lol