SKS Stocks Tapco vs Archangel
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2017
- This is a brief look at the original SKS rifle and a review of the aftermarket SKS stocks from Archangel and Tapco. Watch to see what you gain and loose with either of these two stock options.
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Very good un-opinionated comparison. Exactly what I was looking for!
An SKS without a bayonet strikes me as sacrilegious.
There’s millions of them who cares
@@Chatekitey72 you must be Canadian...
Totally agree, gotta have that bayonet!
I just channeled a groove in the strikeforce ati stock with a dremmel. Looks and operates just fine.
Gary Dunkling I bought mine with the lug ground off and in a Timberwolf stock, so I don’t mind messing with it further ;)
I have the archangel stock and i refused to get rid of the bayonet on my SKS Yugo, so i carved a strip for the blade to fit, and the stock still solid, no problems.
It looks like there is a screw or something at the bottom of the forend on the stock where the bayonet would go into was that an issue. I want to do the same as well
@@ethandeagle9684 its not a screw, its a hole to place a swivel for your rifle sling, i used a dremmel to cut the plastic of the stock and that metal piece? I also cut the bolt lips to insert the magazine without the need to pull the bolt back? I am using the ProMag magazine of 30 rds. Bro if you have any questions let me know.
Ok awesome man thanks for the reply back honestly I was expecting an answer back in like 2021 or something lol. Thanks for the heads up
I might go ahead and purchase the archangel then so I might have to bug you again in a few weeks thanks bud
@@ethandeagle9684 not a problem brother, butvyeah just look up that youtube vid on trimming those bolt lips and your SKS will be more awesome and i can later on give you some more info on upgrades on a top rail to mount a scope and to do a trigger job (shave the sear) to get that rid of that horrible trigger pull
what a really nice video you made on camparisons...you helped me make a good decision ...thank you
Hmm the swigly end of the recoil spring should go in first.
TheMidnightNarwhal just about to say that.
False
Hmmm... can someone provide me the literature for That? My sks came from store squiggly end out...
Swigly end does go In first
@@justinsjourney431 just look at the field manuals.
My goal is to upgrade an SKS with a modern stock and I've been doing some research, your video was very in depth and it really gave me a good idea of what I really need from my SKS Upgrade. Given the various shortcomings of the two stocks presented here I think I'll keep looking for different options, however your video clarified a lot of my desires for my rifle so I appreciate that!
FAB Defense
TAPCO has the clear advantage . you can still remove the machine cover and bolt carrier group to maintain the rifle in the field. including access to the barrel.
Taco all the way
I installed a Tapco stock, removed the bayonet and replaced it with a bipod. I also placed a red dot sight on the rail. She shoots excellent in this configuration. I am 6 foot 2 with long arms and the original stock was way to small.
I don't care about the extra difficulty in field stripping. A small tool kit should be on hand any time you are going to be out for a long time anyways.
For the $60 I paid for the Tapco kit it made this gun far more enjoyable to handle and fire. $30 for the red dot and $24 for the bipod mean I only spent $114 for the whole build.
So the rail above the gas tube holds zero?
Good review. Thanks. I like Archangel for the look
The Tapco stock absolutely does have a compartment in the butt stock, there is a rubber plug that is very easy to remove with your fingers when the adjustable butt is slid all the way forward and big enough for the cleaning kit and then some.
I like the Archangel stock the polymer is completely different than the polymer used in the Tapco stock
I believe you should comment on how the magazines work
I was able to remove the trigger group on my Tapco by inserting a longer narrow punch down through the pistol grip. There is an open area right above the trigger group latch. If you find the correct size punch or rod, it is easy.
Make store that you release the Safety before doing this
Had an older Tapco w/o the bayonet recess, finally put it on several years ago, then put the rifle in the back of my safe. Then along came several ARs, AKs and PCCs. The rifle has never been shot in its Tapco get up. After finding the bayonet which I thought I had lost, I decided to return the rifle to its original condition. It looks so much better.
The tapco ak47 pistol grip when put on this stock actually sits a little farther back and mitigated the issue the original tapco sks pistol grip has.
The Tapco stocks DO have storage in the butt-stock -- there's a tube that will accommodate the OEM military-issue SKS cylindrical cleaning kit just like the original-issue wood stock has in it. In fact, after I insert my OEM SKS kit into the Tapco's butt-stock tube, I need to add a piece of rolled-up paper towel (the blue "shop towels" auto-parts stores sell as they are quite durable -- kitchen paper towels aren't!) so the kit doesn't rattle around back & forth in there. That solution is fine because I can use the towel as a cleaning rag or cut cleaning patches from it.
In the pistol grip storage area, I keep a small/short hex key wrench (IIRC< the size needed is 7/64" or 3mm) for the two hex machine screws on the butt-stock (where it attaches to the stock) and a rigged-up 10mm socket "tool" to remove the pistol-grip should either of those things be necessary (they aren't usually, but I want them on-hand with the gun anyway, just in case). However, with the butt-stock removed, the SKS become a "shorty" and feels much like an AK -- would be great for really close-up work such as inside a building in that mode. or even using from inside a vehicle. ;-)
Happy SKS-ing,
-- BR
Very Nice informational video!
5' tall... or someone wearing a heavy winter jacket ;)
There _is_ a very simple modification to the Tapco pistol grip to allow easy unlock and removal of the trigger group - and consequently the whole stock - without unscrewing the grip screw.
The grip already has a wide slot for the trigger guard. All you need is to make this slot ~5 cm longer and ~2 mm wider on each side. Remove extra material any way you want - this is plastic, so it is easy. To unlock the trigger group, put a long metal tool, like a Phyllips screwdriver, through the bottom of the grip and press on the unlocking button. The new bigger slot will allow the released trigger group to maneuver back and forth and up and down enough to be removed completely out of the stock. (And back into the stock for re-assembly, of course).
Parting with bayonet on Tapco will also allow you to use bayonet-less tapco option that has useful rail on the bottom of the stock front end (second grip, bipod, light, etc.)
Final word: if you own good old matching-parts historical piece of art - leave it as is. Just buy a second gun of lower "whole historical" value (assembled from non-matching parts and pieces) and "modernize" that second piece. All modern stocks make it a great inexpensive fun platform!
One of these days I'll do it. A friend of mine did that to his and I plan to do it too. Thanks for reminding me.I did modify the Archangel stock already... I sawed off the hump behind the receiver and filed it flat. Now I can remove the cover without taking the action out of the stock. Doesn't look quite as cool but its functional.
It's an easy mod on the tapco and works great.
I really like the look of the Archangel, but there are two big disadvantages that would affect me.
1. The pistol grip comfort issue addressed in your video
2. No clearance to install Tech Sight TS100/200 sights.
Also concerning the Archangel, from descriptions ive read on acouple sites selling this stock, they make it sound like the archangel only accepts their own magazines? Is this true? If so that would be another disadvantage.
Looks like i may have to go with an OD Green Tapco
Thanks
Wrong there's a hole with a rubber plug in the taco t6 for the. Cleaning kit
I’m going with a FAB Defence stock for my SKS. I’ve also bought a magwedge kwikrail for it as well. On another note I also removed the front sight and bayonet lug assembly from my SKS
I’m doing the same except kept the bayo lug on so I can mount a bipod to it instead of the rail on the fab defence stock
Because of the issues with both of tr he aftermarket stocks I'm keeping my money and the original stock.
I preferred the archangel stock the handle is part of the stock so it will not get loose maybe if there was a better mounting of the handle l might look more at the tapco
Tracing it's lineage forward in time to the AK-47. That's an interesting phrase.
Such a great vid ... Thanks
I believe they were sighted with the bayonets in place like many of the mosin nagants . Removal of the bayonet probably throws off your original zero.
The best option is the original design.
Hi there, I prefer Choate... and anyway, I had a wooden stock modifield to Dragunov style, by a carpenter shop with pantograph ;-) keep up, our own is a wonderful sport..
i ran a different stock on mine i put a ati folding tri force stock on mine. and also put a tri rail dust cover on mine. with a 2 scopes a 10x42 scope on the dust covers top rail. and a red dot side scope mounted on the dust covers left side rail. and i had my bolts bottom lips ground off to fit duck bill magazines sim to a ak 47. i also mounted a flashlight on the stocks right side rail. and a tommy gun front handle grip with a built in bi pod on the stocks bottom rail. i also have a 20 round tapco duck bill magazine on my gun. and mounted a combat knife on the buttstock of the gun. and once winter is over im going to hit it with a paint job and then get a better sling for it. and then gun will be finished.
thanks for the video
I have the Tapco one on my sks.
Back in the day I cant find Archangel in Canada.
Hi Xiao... I've seen the Archangel stocks at Canadian Tire.
I have the tapco on my sks,. It works fine.
I stick with the wood stock, place your thumb on the on the rear of the receiver cover when shooting it takes care of the smacking yourself when shooting.
I trimmed the inside of my pistol grip on the tapco and can remove my trigger group without having to take off the grip. That got old real quick. I wish they had the arch angle stock when I was looking at an aftermarket option I’d have chosen it over the tapco.
I think I'm going to do the same with my tapco . .. I did modify my archangel stock so I could remove the upper receiver cover without removing the entire assembly from the stock. I cut off that block of plastic behind the receiver. I doesn't look as good but it is more functional than the original archangel configuration.
I have no idea what brand it is, but the Norinco I'm looking at right now has a synthetic stock that seems to be a fairly faithful reproduction of the original, but with a reasonable length of pull
Your recoil spring is in backwards ffs
The tapco grip just needs a little plastic shaved off the inside of the grip with a dremel sanding drum where the trigger assembly needs to move down and out. I have done it to mine and it works. If you want a tacti-cool stock tapco is the way to go. It has some flexibility when under stress which is good and bad. Feels good in your hands and points well, but I wish tapco would put steel of aluminum reinforcements along the sides of the stock for more rigidity and a metal faux buffer tube at standard mil-spec, other than that I think tapco takes the cake.
That's interesting... I will look into that.... Seems like a lot of material would need to be removed for that to work though.... Does it feel annoying to your grip hand?
I bought the archangel in black it’s nice 🤷♂️
Apart from the advantages of having a higher capacity magazine: Could the original 10 round box be maintained on those two stocks?
Yes, both stocks work with the original 10 round box mag.
I have the arch Angel stock still have the bayonet and cleaning rod.
Tapco for rail space, Archangel for a solid AR style stock.
The original stock's length of pull is about perfect for an average-sized person who is wearing a flak jacket or body armor, which means it's great for my 5'0" tall wife, and also for me in body armor. No need for a new-fangled fancy collapsible stock, the SKS's original wood stock is magical. :-) I also love the fact that when a hoplophobe looks at an SKS in a plain wood stock (and with the goofy bayonet removed), they see Grandpa Kettle's old Kentucky musket instead of the battle rifle that it really is. Nothing scary here folks, nothing to see, move along... In fact, the SKS, as it comes, is so non-threatening it's even allowed in Canada. ***Gasp***
🤣and in Commifornia
What are the weights of these stocks compared to the original wood stock?
The SKS is ridiculously heavy for the cartridge it fires. Do either of these stocks reduce the weight?
Steve Miller they both do.
Noodle arms haha
So i guess tapco was discontinued. Im going to have to grind a bayonet slot out of the archangel now. Hope thats not to much trouble
Tapco all the way
so as you say the wood stock looks frumpy but get one of these two stocks that both have a compromise issues both are a lose lose situation
compromise and lose-lose are two different things.
AnthonyArteaAmerican Artea
I wanted my sks to take mags, but to do so I would have had to modify the orignal stock. My rilfe is all matching so to keep it all together without modification I bought the tapco stock.
Could the Archangel stock be modified to accommodate the bayonet?
YES
Man people are sleeping. You store the cleaning kit in the stock on the Tapco kit. The handle compartment is an awesome extra storage area for pads and a small bottle of oil or cleaner
The tapco stock is way cheaper as well. Usually on sale for $100 i believe. Only reason I havent gotten around to putting mine in one is because those high cap pinned mags are essentially useless other than for SHTF. Can you still use factory mag on the tapco?
Good point and god question... Yes you can.I heard about 2 years ago that a guy running stripper clips with a stock SKS won a CQB Match at Borden Military base over a bunch of guys running AR15s. So good case for standard config box mag.
sorry ... I meant good... not god.
LOL thats awesome. Good review.
Got my tapco stock for 70 bucks
Not sure what value the rail on the Tapco would have - any optic will lose its zero when the upper hand guard is removed to clean/troubleshoot the gas system. There are options out there that mount directly to the receiver. But hey, it's an SKS...do what you like !
had an original ati stock but was too long went back to the wood stock better feel
Go rogue, keep the wood original, but modify to accept AK mags, not what most may prefer, but the best for an old school guy like me, plus, it looks alot more sturdy to me, and thats just my two cents
definitely, I get more comments at the rang with the way it is....I will try modify it to AK mags
Absolutely !
I did the same thing to mine,all it took was a small amount of the wood stock shaved off to allow the magazines to be inserted easily. U=I have had no trouble using the 20 or 30 round magazines. I bought the 30 round mags first, then the 20 round mags, which I prefer , as I can get lower to the ground and not so exposed . The 30 round mag makes you sit up higher to sight down the barrel and makes you an easier target on possible return fire.
This video is incorrect the tapco does have storage in the butt stock. If you don't believe me I'll show you pictures of mine. You can remove the barrel action on the tapco without removing the pistol grip there's a slot to place a screwdriver to push the release just like you do with the wood stock. The archangel you need to take apart to field-strip which is one of the reasons I returned mine and kept the tapco. Not the best information on this video.
Can both stocks take either manufacturer's magazines?
I would stick with the wooden stock
Depends on what you use it for. These stocks improve this firearm.
@@rhumandlove393 Better wooden stocks are also available. - Boyd's, including a thumbhole pistol grip versions, and I think I heard Tapco is shutting down but some of their Timbersmith laminate stocks may still be available at retailers. More expensive than the plastic but for those who really like the feel of wood, maybe worth it.
@@rhumandlove393 all that SKS needs is peep sight and/or scout-like mounted red dot. its not AK for god's sake. also, if one would need to use gun for melee weapon, which one would be harder and hard hitting? mine has original wooden stock, techsight peep sights but will most likely mount front rail for red dot. and yeah, barrel is cut down to 16". dont need anything else on simple rifle as is SKS.
Would it be possible to modify the archangel stock to accommodate the blade bayonet like the Tapco?
No easily... There is a steel sling swivel insert in the bottom of the fore arm that is located where the blade slot would be. You would have to cut a slot through the plastic and that steel insert. It's not so much that you need that front sling swivel there because you could always just use the one on the barrel.
it takes a little bit to do so but yes i cut a slot in my archangel stock one evening while flathead fishing. used a triangle file and cut right on through the QD sling mount. just take your time. i also cut off the hump on the rear of the stock that prevents you from field stripping the rifle without separating the trigger, receiver, and stock.
I have a draginknof stock on my sks and l have have my spike on it it been modified it not an ezy job but you can do it if you want to it how you want to hav your rifle to mod the stock dont mean you have to mod the rifle make it your own I still like all of my toys and my ar my 300 blk to sad part the Canadiens have more parts than what we have in the us it hard to find a lot of what they have
Tapco was bought out by Remington so you can only get the archangel now
No , you can get the FAB defense version
I don't know if any of stock manufacturers make a stock for the SKS model M with thumb hole stock.
Timbersmith
Boyd's
what's funny is I find the plastic body looks frumpy, while the wood body looks august. different strokes I guess.
Who the fuck says august as a description xD
Isn't the Fab Defense the middle ground that you talk about? I don't believe you can have a bayonet on the Fab Defense either.
Strikeforce&ATI as well.
I stayed wood with a new camouflage paint job and waterproof seal coat because of rain in British Columbia
Hmmnnn...I have a Tapco stock, and Williams peep with their Fire Sight on front.......no problem using the sights on my Tapco.
wondering how much sense.. or cents (PUNS!) it makes to just save up on a couple extra paycheques and get a BCL 102, it's an *Unrestricted AR* in .308 that's better than 1 MOA ($1700) .. I guess it depends what you want to use it for.
That's not a bad price for an unrestricted AR alternative. I never got interested in the stuff from Alberta Tactical because of the high cost... but the NEA rifle is more reasonable.... still much more expensive than a tricked out SKS.... The BCL 102 is certainly more tacticool... I don't know about performance yet for the BCL 102, but I would assume its pretty good.
I could buy 9 sks for 1700$
Oh how I wish an SKS was a reasonable purchase in today's market
Now if you want a cheap center fire its PSA or similar
I would suggest a 300 yard zero.
Can anybody recommend a red dot sight for the tapco stock
there both cool but myself i rather a wooden stock preferably a aftermarket wooden stock
Choate makes a synthetic stock that's a reproduction of the original wood stock, but with a longer length of pull. Those are pretty popular.
ATI stock?
I like Hansen mag
I'll go with ati stock
Scott Buckley
I have the ATI folder.
I like it but it took some dremel surgery to fit because I put it on a “sporterized” (Wood one piece thumb hole stock that was modified at importation to take an AK47 magazine) SKS.
I bought two of them in the early ‘90’s
For $79 each. Good God if I could have seen the future, I would have bought 100.
Always thought why germans did not enter ww2 with a semiauto rifle instead of excellent but outdated mauser , germans always complain against PPSH40 and M1 Garand.
Recoil Spring is installed backwards.
Really... dogonittt!!!!
your bolt spring was on backwards
the snake gose in the hole 😝
Tapco!! Because of the bayonet
Both aftermarket stocks have serious drawbacks: one design interferes with the sights, the other interferes with trigger access. With these flaws I wouldn't consider either one. Better off staying with the original and adding a butt extension until a better aftermarket design comes available.
I'd rather keep mine original and the truth of the matter the reason why the buttstock was short it's a lot of the soldiers wore heavy winter coats so as for the matter of the reach that way they can quickly get their rifle up to their shoulders fast without snagging I'd rather deal with the original buttstock and have a sleeve on it than any aftermarket
What about a SG Bull Pup?
Can't modify a gun to a bullpup configuration in Canada. Only bullpups that come that way from the factory are allowed.
Too bad, it turns it into a different weapon.
I just bought an sks today I paid 400 Canadian for the gun 80rds of ammo and a trigger lock
Cant yall get Norinco M14s too?
You got ripped off lol
Hope you got a Russian one for that, or if Chinese, it came with a Tapco stock already installed? I think a Chinese one will work as well as a Russian but the market price is lower so I hope you didn't pay more for it.
@@cptnscoobYes, we still get them, most imported now come with 18.5" barrels (minimum length legal on a semi-auto centrefire in Canada.) They can also be had chambered for 7.62x39mm as well as the original 7.62NATO/.308Win.
LEAVE THE SKS ALONE! PERFECT AS DESIGNED!
Garbage. Only less than the century ak
I used to own an SKS back when I was a much younger dude. I think I paid $65 dollars for it. The first thing I did was put a 25 or 30 round mag and a folding, pistol grip stock. It would do the job. I own m4's today.
rick roark Bubba Converted a perfectly good rifle to a wannabe AR, before you could afford ARs.
Dove si compra
Wood stock all the way.
I have a spike bayonet with my archangel.
Did you have to do any mods on the archangel to get the spike bayonet on? I just ordered one and would be cool to keep my spike as well.
@@ghostfacekilla6285 no mods at all. Folds and locks shut flush.
@@johnhughes9978 ok cool. Thanks!
Tapco looks like the better option
recoil spring is backwards
you shoould have touched the topic of mounted rear optics. on a rail or a dovetail.
I think you'll find neither of those stocks affects optic mounts at the rear of the action.
Field stripping the arcangel is a pain in the ass apparently from what some people have said. A guy that owns both the Tapco and Arcangel did a review of both stocks on two SKS's. He said while the Arcangel is a really nice stock it's not something you would want to be using for protection in a shtf scenario due having no way of getting to the cover to quickly field strip it unlike the Tapco which is something to think about. If your using your SKS for protection stick with Tapco if your using it for taking it to the range and have no desire of using it as a rifle for protection maybe because you have something better go for the Arcangel it's nicer looking.
Try taking any Moded SKS to the range and you will definitely get some shot talkers.
That light wood color 🤮 and I'd go with tapco. Or just keep the wood get duck bill mags and a scout Mount
Honestly you should look at the ATI Strikeforce what the Scorpion recoil system it's same thing as tapco with the group having to be removed but the four and is actually pretty good and you can put attachment rails on it yes or polymer that's a sad thing
Your recoil spring is backwards
The Archangel is much more attractive.
Prices fairly low?!!! $400 in the local pawnshop. ...for an SKS...not what I call low. (For an SKS)
When that video was published an SKS was $130 at Canadian Tire. Market values have changed a bit since then huh. It's still a good value here in Canada even at recent prices though, considering what it is. Might not be the case in the USA though where an SKS gets an unobtainium premium.
@@PracticalTacticalAccuracy Every thing gun related is more expensive these days. Ammo? Good luck...
What the hell are you going to do with a bayonet that makes it illegal to hunt with in some States or Province's run face to face with a deer or moose and scream your head off on the charge?
A great way to double the cost of your SKS and destroy it's value in the process.
you do not destroy the value, you can put back the original wood stock in seconds. And if you use the piccatinny NC Star gas tube mount you do not have to reworke the original gastube either because that mount comes already with its own gas tube. ... be smart
There is no difference in resale value. List an sks and it will sell, period
nyet rifle is fine
Just keep the original wood.
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