Thanks man, That's really nice of you 😁 Maybe because i really travel on bikes, so i look for things that will keep me comfortable along the way. Unfortunately this series will take along time to finalise.. I don't have as much time as i would like, and manufactures keep spiting out new bikes! 😂😂
Funny Video. Did this year 17.000 Km through 13 Countries including Albania and Marocco on my Tracer7. No issues, comfortable and easy to handle. PS: I'm still a owner of a MT-07 with 101.000 Km on the clock. No issues. Cheers.
Your writing is spectacular… chatty dialog that is straight forward with similar but never repetitive opinions so that comparisons can be made easily. Overall outstanding review
It doesn’t look like a very objective review of the tracer 9 to me. It’s the lightest in its category, meant for tall riders, NOT MEANT for off road, and for the price you get a hell of a bike. The buffeting is a real issue but you can get a taller windshield from Yamaha which resolves the problem. Look might not be the best, it’s a bit subjective, But ugly I don’t think so
Hey there 👋 Thanks for your comment 👍 The objective of this series is to find a pair of bikes i find perfect for our needs as travellers. Bikes that are great in real-life travel scenarios and not just to take down to a local starbucks. Indeed this is a fine bike, but I've been through a few more since this video, and my opinion has not changed. I personally would not buy one for myself, because it is not good for what i need it to do. If you love it, i will not debate you. I'm actually happy that you do 💪 Did you personally solve the buffeting on your TRACER9 with the taller windshield?
I'm a A2 driver and I had no choice, so I bought the Tracer 7. However, I think this is a good example that "sometimes, less is more". Nice video, best regards!
I have an unrestricted license and the budget to buy the 7 or 9 and chose the smaller bike. There's nothing on it I can fault other than the screen. The engine is really nice
I don't get it, why go for a sport tourer if you mostly like to go off the beaten path? makes no sense, something like the t7, ktm 890 or the stellar africa twin will most likely fit the bill much better
@@Buboha Hey there. I could really use one advice. I am planning to buy my 1st bike and I really like the looks of the Tracer 7 GT. The other option is a Honda Forza 750, mainly due to the wind protection at high speeds. I have read some comments about the Tracer 7, please confirm or infirm. Another owner said that the wind protection is scandalous, absolutely zero and that the bike starts vibrating from all the angles after 120 130 km/h. He said in the city is good but for the highway he doesn't recommend it at all. Did this happen to you? Thanks in advance!
@@mrcristinistor hi, don’t have any issues after installing aftermarket windshield Givi but I would go for forza just to get the benefit of automatic transmission ;)
@@Buboha thank you. Yeah, I understand. As my first bike, the dilemma is big. Clearly Tracer 7 GT is more beautiful, but Forza has all the other advantages: dual clutch, wind protection, full of electronics, upside down fork - suspension front, some storage. The only problem is that is it not that pretty like Tracer. Have you tried quick shifter to have kinda automatic transmission?
i agree with everything you say in your videos.i am 42 ,i ride over 25 years and i am in the market to buy an on/off bike,not "adventure" as the marketing commands,a brand new bike for the first time in my life.but i havent decide yet.surely not something very big and expensive.if you can, do a review of the new transalp,even though i believe its not has the old honda quality
Hi there 🖐 Thanks for watching. I'm glad my videos make sense to you 😁 I'm actually quite curious about the Transalp, mainly because it's a Honda. Let's see if i can get my hands on one 👍
I love this review, hearing great personal perspectives. People who criticise forget it’s not about them. Although their opinions are worth something too. What did you end up with, I can’t see your final decision on your channel.
I was interesting in the T9 a while back then I found out it has a speed restriction (first gen) due to high speed instability, not that I ride fast but to me it makes bad sense to put a motor in a chassis that can't handle its full potential. T7 will be the bike I get next if I had to.
Gees that interlude came on as my wife served me some nighttime porridge , now she thinks I sit on the verandah all night watching X rated instead of UA-cam motorcycle channels …thanks 😢
Great review, thanks for this. I’ve watched it a few times now (as well as a bunch of your other reviews). I’m trying to pick my next bike for long distance (100klm each way) commuting, daily rider and occasional touring/camping. Currently riding a Triumph Tiger Sport 1050, which is awesome on open windy roads, but bit of a beast for slow speed manoeuvring. I used to have a 660z Tenere, which I loved and regretted selling, but wasn’t right for the long commutes. The size/power did suit me fine for general use though. The tracer 7 is very much at the forefront as a replacement for me, for much the same reasons as you’ve pointed out. Other options seem to be NC750x (not sold in Australia anymore 😢), V-Strom 650XT, V-Strom 800 RX (jump up in price but more extras including ride by wire, so cruise control possible) and Transalp 750 (tubed tyres 👎) So it s looking like it’s neck and neck between the Trancer 7 and the 650XT for me, which leads to my question: Do you have any opinions regarding the new V-Strom 650XT considering my proposed uses, and in particular how it would compare with the Tracer in this regard?
My testing of Tracer 9 gave me very similar conclusions that you said in the video. Thats why i couldnt convince myself to take Tracer 9 at all... Yamaha should step up their Tracer game a bit, i agree...
I was a tracer 900 owner between 2015-2019. I agree with your comments. it has sports motorbike performance and suspensions, but it was tiring me in the city and therefore I sold it, I regretted selling it a year later and now I am thinking of buying it again. I am not a traveller, I usually use it on asphalt roads in the city, but our roads may be the worst roads in the world, all roads are full of bumps and potholes. As someone who is over 40 years old and has a herniated disc, it is important for me that the suspensions and saddle are soft. I looked at the GS1200, but it is too expensive and too big for urban use with traffic. You do not recommend the Tracer 9 for a few reasons that I find justified. I am looking for a motorcycle with a soft saddle and suspension, with bags large enough to put 2 helmets and a motor jacket inside. sometimes I can reach speeds of 250 km on intercity roads, in this case I don't want to be beaten by the wind. for tracer 9 that was very easy to go speed, no vibration but I was being beaten by the wind. I have travelled long distances with Hayabusa and frankly I liked it very much. but the sitting position is no longer very suitable for me. my knee locks after a few hours of riding. so what is your recommendation?
I m an owner of the regular tracer 9... really mate why so much hate? Ok the brakes don't have the initials bite but they will progressively stop you with safe, definitely it's not for track-day.. manoeuvrability 1? Its the lightest dike from it s category, you can't compare it with the tracer 7..it handles very well the 220 kg and as soon as it gets rolling you really can't feel the 220kgs because of how good the geometry of this bike is.. comfort for me is good... definitely its not a 2 compared the 4 you give on the tr7..and you gave 1 to looks? Really its the prettiest sport touring bike ever created..for me it's the tracer 9 and the s1000xr (except its back light) the tracer 7 it s like the bumblebee from the transformer's movie..have you look the new v-strom? What score will you give ? 10/10? With the front light taken from the yamaha xs400 from 1978?...and why you didn't take into consideration the vfm factor? 14.500 for tracer 9 it is very little for what it provides you.. nevermind
I'm sorry. I see yours is a regular model. I believe my issues were down to the suspension. It's just too hard and compromises comfort quite a lot IMHO. Looks? I can't dispute that. I am happy you do love your bike, though. Happy riding my friend 👍🏍🏍
Couldn't disagree with your review of the tracer 9 gt more, maybe instead of looking at a sports tourer you should look at the adventure tourer market. your criteria is off road which this bike wasn't built for, you should be looking at the Tenere if you want Yamaha off road.
Hi there. You're completely correct. It was a long shot, but as I'd heard so many good things about this bike, i decided to give it a go. But no. It's not what we're looking for, but it was still a great ride around the twisties 😎
@@John_Neves the problem with your approach is you made this great bike look dreadful because of your miss managed expectations and your "long shot". It has a few niggles but pretty much every professional Moto reviewer has given it plenty of praise. It's like asking a low slung sport's car to go off-road through the mountains.
@jayhaux8321 I'm sorry for that then. But in my presentation, i do say what I'm looking for 👍 My idea is also to help others find the ideal bike for all kinds of travelling needs. That's my end goal with this series, and bikes like the tracer 9 don't fit the bill. Thanks for watching. Sorry if it feels misleading, it's not my intention 👍
Good evening! Any thoughts on the new Kawasaki Versus 650? I'm about to buy my first big bike and I'm kinda strangling to decide. I'm between The Versus 650 and Tracer 7. I want something comfortable for traveling but also flexible on the city. Since it's my first bike I don't care about the HP so much rather than it's reliability. Thanks a lot man keep up!
Hi there 👋 Unfortunately i haven't been able to scout a Versys for a test ride, so i can't comment on that particular bike. I do, however, have experience with both brands, and to be honest, you'll be fine with any one of them. All japanese major bike brands are extremely reliable. I doubt there is much between the two motorcycles of your choice, so my advice is to buy the one you prefer the looks of. You won't go wrong 👍
I bought Tracer 9 and added quickshifter. Standard suspension is really better. I was choosing between Yamaha, Honda NT1100 and Ducati Multistrada 950. Tracer 9 suited me best. I am 189 cm tall and I have almost no vibrations in my helmet. Maybe you must buy better helmet 😁
@@John_Neves Nothing. My head is in different place probably. For me is Tracer 9 well balanced machine with good price and I love its cp3 engine 👍 I looked around Suzuki GSX-S 1000 GT yet. This is very ugly bike.. not Tracer 😅
Owned an MT09 and my gf has the MT07. Right now I am on a Hornet 750. Why did I sell the MT09? Because the gearbox was horribly clunky, the clutch basked made all sorts of squeaking noises, the cam chain tensoner was fine but still made a rattle. It was simply put, not a very quiet and enjoyable engine (apart from the power and exhaust sound). The MT07 is miles better. It sounds like it will bever break down. The MT07 engine is silly frugal on fuel aswell. It's quite possilbe to drive it on 0,28 liters/100km. We have. If I was seriously thinking about touring this is a viable option. If I had more cash I would get a Suzuki 1000GT but that is not in the same bracket.
whatever you do, Don't give it to Ian for canyon carving🤣, As always another great vid, was thinking of upgrading to one of these, glad I didn't...stay safe both
Haha. Ian is the greatest canyon carver I've ever met. He cuts those canyons well in half mate 😅😅 Today i test rode the tiger 1200... Just wow!! Take care Tom. Send regards to the crew 👍
Visually the 7 has a better design. Plus cheaper less consume lighter and more balanced. The 9 engine seems to be its strong point but not well balanced with the rest of the bike.
A mi no me produce turbulencias en el casco posiblemente debido a que mido 4 cm menos que tú.. 😅.... Yo compré la Tracer 9 (no GT) pero tambien probé la 7 y me encantó, me sorprendió muchisimo. Muy buenos videos... 👌
Wow, en serio? A mim molestó mucho. Fue una pena, porque me encantaba el motor... Lo hiciste bien, la suspensión del GT es muy rígida. Me alegra que te guste 😁👍
I am a T7 owner. My advice: forget the Yamaha T7 factory windscreen and the Yamaha bigger touring screen either. Buy the German made MRA touring screen with the upper extension and there is no buffeting any longer. (My height is 177cm).
"Something with a little more of road capability". Why did you even bother reviewing the Tracer when its obvious from your video you like dirt tracks- hint- the Tracer don't bother with your reviews.
I dont own either bike but i can say this much from owning other yamahas, that cp3 motor coupled with an exhaust will make you look past alot of those shortcomings.
i love how i completely disagree on most things you said but i also understand why you said them and how it applies to your situation. it's weird, hearing you sort of complain about the t9 and being entertained in doing so at the same time. it's refreshing to hear someone beating down a bit on this bike since every reviewer sounds like they got a fat check to produce a favorable review. that said i testdrove the t9gt and ordered a t9gt+ the same day. for me it'll be mostly used for commuting, having some spirited fun on the twisties, and eating some miles on the occasional weekend roadtrip. i've mostly had sportsbikes before this one and i've traveled on those as well. nothing like what you do tho, that is a completely different type of traveling. 2 days, 600km total around the mountains on smooth asphalt is all i need on a trip, and that's exactly what the t9 is so good in. if i had the money, space and willingness i could have 2 or 3 bikes instead, a sportsbike for the twisties, a touring for trips and a comfy light economical bike for commuting. but i'd often find myself on 1 bike and wanting to use the features of another, for example i'b be commuting on a little 400cc bike, and suddenly get the urge to take the next exit to take an alternative twisty road home that would be perfect for a sportsbike, well guess what, that 400c comfy bike wouldn't scratch that itch. but if i'd take the sportsbike i might miss some of the comfort of a touring bike when im on the highway... therefore the tracer suits me well. oh and i do like the way it looks too
hahaha. Choosing the right bike is a feat. Most want a bike that will do everything extremely well, but that bike doesn't existe no matter how hard you look. I completely relate to what you say 👍 I guess in the end each person has to decide what they are willing to give up... My last test was a KTM Adventure 390.... And for our last trip which was 15 days through Iceland with that bike, it was absolutely amazing! I would not have wanted a different bike. We may even buy a pair because it fits "our bill" quite nicely... May keep the Z1000 just in case though 🤣🤣 Happy riding. Have fun on the amazing T9 💪
Thanks man 👍 No chance! The cp3 is amazing. The CP2 is just okay. But i do believe the 7 is a better package, as long as power is not the most important factor. Thanks for watching and commenting 💪
well ! i need yr opinion , i am about to buy a new bike , i cant take a disition and y make it even harder XD ! i need a bike fr 80% daily use and 20% trips (off on road) i am 1.70 . I was between tracer 7 tracer 9 tenere 7 and now y make it look easy win fr tracer 7 but i will w8 to see the end of this journey
Hi there... I haven't tested the tenere7 yet, but it's a tall bike.... i honestly prefer bikes i can flat foot. They are just so much more convenient 👍 I think my video is self explanatory. The tracer 7 is a better everyday bike than the Tracer 9. The only thing better in the Tracer 9 is the engine which is glorious. But everything else, the tracer 7 does better 👍
I think you should give a weight to each section. I mean, how the engine and leg protection points have the same weight?? This makes your scaling very very wrong. I even don't believe in scaling bikes, giving each spec a point and saying this bike is better than that bike anyway, since even the engine alone may be your reason to choose a bike over another. And reviewers should keep that in mind that "I am not reviewing a tool that has a purpose, I am reviewing a buddy, a friend, a machine has a soul, a character and will be loved by his companion (rider)" motto. I believe every bike deserves that treatment. But giving a rating to its specs and assuming every spec is as important as another is so so wrong, it's an insult.
@@John_Neves I think given point for each section should be radical but the weight of it is subjective. Weight also must take into account if the problem is fixable or not. For example, if problem is a windscreen problem that can easily be fixed by changing it with a third-party option weigth of it can be less, if its an un-fixable problem, weight of it should be more. So, for a "sport" touring bike, I think engine would have 8-10x weight and leg protection can be 1x, headwind buffeting 2-3x, suspension 7x, brakes 7x, agility 6x, looks 1-2x, engine heat 4x, comfort 8x, stand riding 1x etc.. I believe this will lead to much more comparable chart and can be modified for each type of bike. Let's say you are ranking an adventure bike, for that type, stand riding would have 5x weight.. This needs some thinking on it. I believe this will help people looking for an info about bike they are interested in. Don't get me wrong, comparing Tracer 7 and 9 is kind a funny, since electronics alone (cruise control, TC, riding modes, semi-auto suspension etc..) makes T9 better touring bike over T7.
that,with the wind buffeting ...i know it very well,with a fazer 600 2002 i had.three windscreens i had change.but i solve the problem...my next to bikes where....guess what...with no windscreen,hahaha
@@John_Neves I am in Thailand again now and I am buying a pristine Yamaha SCR950. Just less than four years old, no scratches, aftermarket seat and custom-made bashplate. 4,200 km. Well pleased. I am also going to get rid of my runaround scooter and buy a Suzuki VanVan 200, as they are still available here. None of this emission nonsense in the Second/Third World. Regards, Nick
Hey there👋 I'm honestly not sure. I'm starting to think these adventure style bikes are over rated... One thing is for sure, I'm not cashing in on a bike that makes my head slam around from side to side... So far, that's what they all do 😮
Funny you use the MT 09 in response to poor suspension review on the Tracer 900 when most people complain about the suspension on the MT 09 even more. How can Yamaha give a 2 cyl the same character of a triple.
Tracer 9 also has a burnt front light........ I know I have poked too hard, but I drove my friends and it''s a nice bike, but a bkie that not even it''s mother wouldn''t love :D.....
My humble opinion... older tracer 900 gt is better than 9 gt. I own 900 gt and I drove 9 gt, its just better, more stable, more connected to the road, little bit twitchier on throttle but I like it more and itc can be fixed with Mode B.
I think any touring bike should have some off road ability as you are quite likely to encounter poor roads or diversions along the way. Loaded up with luggage and two up only to find that your Airbnb is unexpectedly at the end of a rough and hilly loose stone track right at the end of a long day's ride can be irritating if your bike is a bit wobbly off road!
Now you made me think if I should get a MT-09 and put on it a windscreen to make it a bit more capable for long weekend rides instead of going for tracer 900. As you have experience with putting on a windscreen on trident 660, how did it help the bike's wind resistance on longer trips of yours? (in the meanwhile watched the video where you described by flapping with your hand so got my answer to a certain extent. However still wondering your opinion)
Hi There 🖐 The overall protection on one of these bikes will always be superior than a Naked with a screen, because you do get more upper and lower body protection. So in many ways it will be more comfortable for travel. Problem is the dam buffeting. On a Naked with a Screen, you will get more helmet noise, than without, so be aware of that also. But yes, a screen helps a lot with wind resistance and makes traveling much easier. Just do your best to reduce wind noise. A scarf helps quite a bit. No buffeting from my experience though. These are motorcycles. There will always be a degree of wind involved. If it helps, i can travel with all of my bikes. Kawasaki Z1000, Triumph Trident 660, YamahaTT600 and Suzuki Vstrom 1000. But if i'm going for a month long trip, where i know i'll be doing 4 to 5 hundred kms a day, i'll take my Vstrom. It's just so comfortable :) Amazing seat and riding position. A weekend, or a week where i'll be taking it easy, i'll take the Z1000 or the Trident. The TT i reserve for off road trips. Next year me and my wife are heading to Iceland. She'll be on her Trident and i'm not sure what i'll take yet. ahahaha. So there you have it. In the end, what matters is that you love riding and love your bike. It will always adapt to you, whatever the circumstance 👍 Not sure if this helps, i hope so 😁👊
@@John_Neves Hi 😃 Thanks a lot for your super swift and detailed response. I didn't have the time to show my appreciation till now 😃 I don't expect to be completely free from wind or buffeting like on a FJR1300 and I'm not planning as long trips as you both are doing so I'll probably vote for 1 bike that does not excel in all areas but still provide the great deal of excitement and just enough versatility on asphalt (I got myself a Sertao a couple of years ago and rarely left the pavement, so...) while not breaking my bank with unexpected repairs and Tracer 9 (GT i guess?) seems to be a good fit for that. I've given up on considering MT-09 as you've made me think again with your comment and thought that I'd be too much exposed to elements as I'm living in a colder 🥶 country than yours 😃 However, now quickly went over your comments in the video and seriously is the suspension so hard even in A2 mode that the saddle hits your bum on every single cobblestone? I don't expect to glide over the cobblestones like on a v-strom or any other enduro tourings but I'd at least expect my teeth to not to shatter :) Or the Tracer 9 GT to be if not totally but slightly more comfortable than a Z1000. What would you say? And good luck 🤞 with your search for your next bike. V-strom is such a practical and economical machine that is very tough to replace especially for your purposes.
@@namsoiled Hi there 🖐 I have a first gen Z1000, and in all honesty i find the suspension more comfortable, but is has manual adjustments, and it will go all the way from soggy to rock hard so it's easy to fine tune to my ride. The overall comfort of the Tracer was great and it's a much more comfortable tourer than a Z1000, I was just not to keen on the buffeting, and the suspension, even in A2, and i've heard others complain... I'm quite sure the manual suspension is more comfortable. These kinds of bikes offer a lot for traveling and i do believe they are truly the best compromise for that purpose. They are not without their downsides of course. There is so much to choose from, it's hard to find the best one. I recently tested the TIGER 1200 Rally Pro, and it was amazing! Best bike so far. But at over 20K, i just can't see it would translate into 20K of pleasure when compared to what i already have... It's just too much money IMO. You are correct, my Vstrom is very competent, and even 20 years old, it still does everything i ask from it. Of course it doesn't feel modern, but hey neither am i :D It's not going to be easy to replace, mainly because I'm having difficulty in justifying spending a huge lump of money VS the pleasure I'll get back. ( Not sure if that makes sense) But lets see. There are some fantastic bikes out their. I just haven't tried "The ONE" yet :) Take care, choose wisely :)
I'm shopping around for a new bike these days too and this series is pretty stellar. You cover things that other 'reviewers' seem to forget about.
Thanks man, That's really nice of you 😁
Maybe because i really travel on bikes, so i look for things that will keep me comfortable along the way.
Unfortunately this series will take along time to finalise.. I don't have as much time as i would like, and manufactures keep spiting out new bikes! 😂😂
Funny Video. Did this year 17.000 Km through 13 Countries including Albania and Marocco on my Tracer7. No issues, comfortable and easy to handle. PS: I'm still a owner of a MT-07 with 101.000 Km on the clock. No issues. Cheers.
Tye tracer is a very good bike and you already know the engine is reliable.
Keep it 😁👍
Happy travels 👌
As a single rider or you have a passenger?? Just interested to know planning to travel with a wife . Cheers
@@piratejack5573 As a single rider.
Your writing is spectacular… chatty dialog that is straight forward with similar but never repetitive opinions so that comparisons can be made easily. Overall outstanding review
Thanks. That is highly appreciated 💪
I hope it helps you choose your next bike👍
As usual with all John Neves reviews, outstanding review. The best I have ever seen between these 2 bikes.
Excellent review. Lots of your opinions and assessments will accord with viewers thoughts, you’ve got a good way. Thanks
Thanks very much. 👍
I basically talk about features that are truly important to me. It's great to know that others value the same things 💪
It doesn’t look like a very objective review of the tracer 9 to me. It’s the lightest in its category, meant for tall riders, NOT MEANT for off road, and for the price you get a hell of a bike. The buffeting is a real issue but you can get a taller windshield from Yamaha which resolves the problem. Look might not be the best, it’s a bit subjective, But ugly I don’t think so
Hey there 👋
Thanks for your comment 👍
The objective of this series is to find a pair of bikes i find perfect for our needs as travellers. Bikes that are great in real-life travel scenarios and not just to take down to a local starbucks.
Indeed this is a fine bike, but I've been through a few more since this video, and my opinion has not changed. I personally would not buy one for myself, because it is not good for what i need it to do.
If you love it, i will not debate you. I'm actually happy that you do 💪
Did you personally solve the buffeting on your TRACER9 with the taller windshield?
I'm a A2 driver and I had no choice, so I bought the Tracer 7. However, I think this is a good example that "sometimes, less is more". Nice video, best regards!
Don´t be upset. You have a great bike :D
Just get it De-restricted :D
@@John_Neves totally agree, I'm really happy with my bike, and I'll derestrict it asap! Have a nice day! 😄
I have an unrestricted license and the budget to buy the 7 or 9 and chose the smaller bike. There's nothing on it I can fault other than the screen. The engine is really nice
@@stevec6427 Completely agree 👍
Happy riding 💪
I love that comparision video as a Tracer7 owner 💙
You bought yourself a fantastic bike 👍🙂🏍
@@John_Neves thanks a lot, you too.. l just cannot solve the wind turbulance problem around my helmet, as you mentioned 😁
@@ozantezer87 indeed. But it's not that bad on that bike. I've tested much worse...
Happy riding 👍
@@John_Neves Really, ok 🙏🏻 glad to communicate with you and sending best wishes from istanbul 👋😊
@Ozan Tezer thank-you my friend. It's always nice to talk to the community 😁
I don't get it, why go for a sport tourer if you mostly like to go off the beaten path? makes no sense, something like the t7, ktm 890 or the stellar africa twin will most likely fit the bill much better
As a 9gt owner I agree with all the scores you gave the bike.
Why do you even own the bike then.🤣
As a tracer 7 owner, likewise:)
@@Buboha Hey there. I could really use one advice. I am planning to buy my 1st bike and I really like the looks of the Tracer 7 GT. The other option is a Honda Forza 750, mainly due to the wind protection at high speeds. I have read some comments about the Tracer 7, please confirm or infirm. Another owner said that the wind protection is scandalous, absolutely zero and that the bike starts vibrating from all the angles after 120 130 km/h. He said in the city is good but for the highway he doesn't recommend it at all. Did this happen to you? Thanks in advance!
@@mrcristinistor hi, don’t have any issues after installing aftermarket windshield Givi but I would go for forza just to get the benefit of automatic transmission ;)
@@Buboha thank you. Yeah, I understand. As my first bike, the dilemma is big. Clearly Tracer 7 GT is more beautiful, but Forza has all the other advantages: dual clutch, wind protection, full of electronics, upside down fork - suspension front, some storage. The only problem is that is it not that pretty like Tracer. Have you tried quick shifter to have kinda automatic transmission?
i agree with everything you say in your videos.i am 42 ,i ride over 25 years and i am in the market to buy an on/off bike,not "adventure" as the marketing commands,a brand new bike for the first time in my life.but i havent decide yet.surely not something very big and expensive.if you can, do a review of the new transalp,even though i believe its not has the old honda quality
Hi there 🖐
Thanks for watching. I'm glad my videos make sense to you 😁
I'm actually quite curious about the Transalp, mainly because it's a Honda. Let's see if i can get my hands on one 👍
I love this review, hearing great personal perspectives. People who criticise forget it’s not about them. Although their opinions are worth something too. What did you end up with, I can’t see your final decision on your channel.
I was interesting in the T9 a while back then I found out it has a speed restriction (first gen) due to high speed instability, not that I ride fast but to me it makes bad sense to put a motor in a chassis that can't handle its full potential. T7 will be the bike I get next if I had to.
Yeah, the first gen had that problem. But it's been sorted.
It was very stable, but just impossible to ride fast anyway.... too much buffeting....
Gees that interlude came on as my wife served me some nighttime porridge , now she thinks I sit on the verandah all night watching X rated instead of UA-cam motorcycle channels …thanks 😢
Great review, thanks for this. I’ve watched it a few times now (as well as a bunch of your other reviews).
I’m trying to pick my next bike for long distance (100klm each way) commuting, daily rider and occasional touring/camping. Currently riding a Triumph Tiger Sport 1050, which is awesome on open windy roads, but bit of a beast for slow speed manoeuvring. I used to have a 660z Tenere, which I loved and regretted selling, but wasn’t right for the long commutes. The size/power did suit me fine for general use though.
The tracer 7 is very much at the forefront as a replacement for me, for much the same reasons as you’ve pointed out. Other options seem to be NC750x (not sold in Australia anymore 😢), V-Strom 650XT, V-Strom 800 RX (jump up in price but more extras including ride by wire, so cruise control possible) and Transalp 750 (tubed tyres 👎)
So it s looking like it’s neck and neck between the Trancer 7 and the 650XT for me, which leads to my question:
Do you have any opinions regarding the new V-Strom 650XT considering my proposed uses, and in particular how it would compare with the Tracer in this regard?
My testing of Tracer 9 gave me very similar conclusions that you said in the video. Thats why i couldnt convince myself to take Tracer 9 at all... Yamaha should step up their Tracer game a bit, i agree...
I was a tracer 900 owner between 2015-2019. I agree with your comments. it has sports motorbike performance and suspensions, but it was tiring me in the city and therefore I sold it, I regretted selling it a year later and now I am thinking of buying it again.
I am not a traveller, I usually use it on asphalt roads in the city, but our roads may be the worst roads in the world, all roads are full of bumps and potholes. As someone who is over 40 years old and has a herniated disc, it is important for me that the suspensions and saddle are soft.
I looked at the GS1200, but it is too expensive and too big for urban use with traffic. You do not recommend the Tracer 9 for a few reasons that I find justified.
I am looking for a motorcycle with a soft saddle and suspension, with bags large enough to put 2 helmets and a motor jacket inside. sometimes I can reach speeds of 250 km on intercity roads, in this case I don't want to be beaten by the wind. for tracer 9 that was very easy to go speed, no vibration but I was being beaten by the wind.
I have travelled long distances with Hayabusa and frankly I liked it very much. but the sitting position is no longer very suitable for me. my knee locks after a few hours of riding.
so what is your recommendation?
I m an owner of the regular tracer 9... really mate why so much hate? Ok the brakes don't have the initials bite but they will progressively stop you with safe, definitely it's not for track-day.. manoeuvrability 1? Its the lightest dike from it s category, you can't compare it with the tracer 7..it handles very well the 220 kg and as soon as it gets rolling you really can't feel the 220kgs because of how good the geometry of this bike is.. comfort for me is good... definitely its not a 2 compared the 4 you give on the tr7..and you gave 1 to looks? Really its the prettiest sport touring bike ever created..for me it's the tracer 9 and the s1000xr (except its back light) the tracer 7 it s like the bumblebee from the transformer's movie..have you look the new v-strom? What score will you give ? 10/10? With the front light taken from the yamaha xs400 from 1978?...and why you didn't take into consideration the vfm factor? 14.500 for tracer 9 it is very little for what it provides you.. nevermind
Hey there 👋
I'm sorry i didn't like your bike, it's just not suited for what I'm looking for... Do you also have the GT with the Eletronic suspension?
I'm sorry. I see yours is a regular model. I believe my issues were down to the suspension. It's just too hard and compromises comfort quite a lot IMHO.
Looks? I can't dispute that.
I am happy you do love your bike, though. Happy riding my friend 👍🏍🏍
@@John_Neves no i have the base model
@@marmendez77 ?
Couldn't disagree with your review of the tracer 9 gt more, maybe instead of looking at a sports tourer you should look at the adventure tourer market. your criteria is off road which this bike wasn't built for, you should be looking at the Tenere if you want Yamaha off road.
Hi there. You're completely correct. It was a long shot, but as I'd heard so many good things about this bike, i decided to give it a go. But no. It's not what we're looking for, but it was still a great ride around the twisties 😎
@@John_Neves the problem with your approach is you made this great bike look dreadful because of your miss managed expectations and your "long shot".
It has a few niggles but pretty much every professional Moto reviewer has given it plenty of praise. It's like asking a low slung sport's car to go off-road through the mountains.
@jayhaux8321 I'm sorry for that then. But in my presentation, i do say what I'm looking for 👍
My idea is also to help others find the ideal bike for all kinds of travelling needs. That's my end goal with this series, and bikes like the tracer 9 don't fit the bill.
Thanks for watching. Sorry if it feels misleading, it's not my intention 👍
Good evening! Any thoughts on the new Kawasaki Versus 650? I'm about to buy my first big bike and I'm kinda strangling to decide. I'm between The Versus 650 and Tracer 7. I want something comfortable for traveling but also flexible on the city. Since it's my first bike I don't care about the HP so much rather than it's reliability. Thanks a lot man keep up!
Hi there 👋
Unfortunately i haven't been able to scout a Versys for a test ride, so i can't comment on that particular bike.
I do, however, have experience with both brands, and to be honest, you'll be fine with any one of them. All japanese major bike brands are extremely reliable.
I doubt there is much between the two motorcycles of your choice, so my advice is to buy the one you prefer the looks of. You won't go wrong 👍
@@John_Neves And that I will do! Thanks a lot and stay safe on your travels! 💪
I bought Tracer 9 and added quickshifter. Standard suspension is really better. I was choosing between Yamaha, Honda NT1100 and Ducati Multistrada 950. Tracer 9 suited me best. I am 189 cm tall and I have almost no vibrations in my helmet. Maybe you must buy better helmet 😁
I thought as much. The electronic suspension is just too hard for this bike.
No buffeting? That great 👍
Unfortunately not my experience 😔
@@John_Neves Nothing. My head is in different place probably. For me is Tracer 9 well balanced machine with good price and I love its cp3 engine 👍 I looked around Suzuki GSX-S 1000 GT yet. This is very ugly bike.. not Tracer 😅
@@MrAsimov78 oh yes. The engine is truly something 👍
Happy riding 🏍🏍
Owned an MT09 and my gf has the MT07. Right now I am on a Hornet 750. Why did I sell the MT09? Because the gearbox was horribly clunky, the clutch basked made all sorts of squeaking noises, the cam chain tensoner was fine but still made a rattle. It was simply put, not a very quiet and enjoyable engine (apart from the power and exhaust sound). The MT07 is miles better. It sounds like it will bever break down. The MT07 engine is silly frugal on fuel aswell. It's quite possilbe to drive it on 0,28 liters/100km. We have. If I was seriously thinking about touring this is a viable option. If I had more cash I would get a Suzuki 1000GT but that is not in the same bracket.
whatever you do, Don't give it to Ian for canyon carving🤣, As always another great vid, was thinking of upgrading to one of these, glad I didn't...stay safe both
Haha. Ian is the greatest canyon carver I've ever met. He cuts those canyons well in half mate 😅😅
Today i test rode the tiger 1200... Just wow!!
Take care Tom. Send regards to the crew 👍
Visually the 7 has a better design. Plus cheaper less consume lighter and more balanced. The 9 engine seems to be its strong point but not well balanced with the rest of the bike.
did you consider the new Honda Transalp? It has a 21” front, but you do not intend to race, otherwise it should tick all your boxes.
Hi There 🖐
The Transalp is a very interesting bike. I getting a test ride ASAP 💪
A mi no me produce turbulencias en el casco posiblemente debido a que mido 4 cm menos que tú.. 😅....
Yo compré la Tracer 9 (no GT) pero tambien probé la 7 y me encantó, me sorprendió muchisimo.
Muy buenos videos... 👌
Wow, en serio?
A mim molestó mucho. Fue una pena, porque me encantaba el motor...
Lo hiciste bien, la suspensión del GT es muy rígida.
Me alegra que te guste 😁👍
What about trying the cf moto 80 mt and Suzuki v Strom
I am a T7 owner. My advice: forget the Yamaha T7 factory windscreen and the Yamaha bigger touring screen either. Buy the German made MRA touring screen with the upper extension and there is no buffeting any longer. (My height is 177cm).
"Something with a little more of road capability". Why did you even bother reviewing the Tracer when its obvious from your video you like dirt tracks- hint- the Tracer don't bother with your reviews.
I dont own either bike but i can say this much from owning other yamahas, that cp3 motor coupled with an exhaust will make you look past alot of those shortcomings.
Hi John, following you with great interest.. Wish to see Tracer7 vs Triumph 850 Sport comparision, if possible 🙏🏻
i love how i completely disagree on most things you said but i also understand why you said them and how it applies to your situation. it's weird, hearing you sort of complain about the t9 and being entertained in doing so at the same time. it's refreshing to hear someone beating down a bit on this bike since every reviewer sounds like they got a fat check to produce a favorable review. that said i testdrove the t9gt and ordered a t9gt+ the same day. for me it'll be mostly used for commuting, having some spirited fun on the twisties, and eating some miles on the occasional weekend roadtrip. i've mostly had sportsbikes before this one and i've traveled on those as well. nothing like what you do tho, that is a completely different type of traveling. 2 days, 600km total around the mountains on smooth asphalt is all i need on a trip, and that's exactly what the t9 is so good in. if i had the money, space and willingness i could have 2 or 3 bikes instead, a sportsbike for the twisties, a touring for trips and a comfy light economical bike for commuting. but i'd often find myself on 1 bike and wanting to use the features of another, for example i'b be commuting on a little 400cc bike, and suddenly get the urge to take the next exit to take an alternative twisty road home that would be perfect for a sportsbike, well guess what, that 400c comfy bike wouldn't scratch that itch. but if i'd take the sportsbike i might miss some of the comfort of a touring bike when im on the highway... therefore the tracer suits me well. oh and i do like the way it looks too
hahaha. Choosing the right bike is a feat. Most want a bike that will do everything extremely well, but that bike doesn't existe no matter how hard you look. I completely relate to what you say 👍
I guess in the end each person has to decide what they are willing to give up...
My last test was a KTM Adventure 390.... And for our last trip which was 15 days through Iceland with that bike, it was absolutely amazing! I would not have wanted a different bike.
We may even buy a pair because it fits "our bill" quite nicely... May keep the Z1000 just in case though 🤣🤣
Happy riding. Have fun on the amazing T9 💪
a friend of mine sold his ktm 1190 adventure to get a 390 adventure and he absolutely loves it as well, very fuel efficient little bike.
@@John_Neves
When are you testing the new Transalp?
That's a bike i'd very much like to try out also.
👍
Lets see if i can get a hold of one. 💪
Nice review and comparison as always but I still don't know if the cp2 would be even able to be compared to the cp3...
Thanks man 👍
No chance! The cp3 is amazing. The CP2 is just okay. But i do believe the 7 is a better package, as long as power is not the most important factor.
Thanks for watching and commenting 💪
@@John_Neves imagine a tracer 7 with a 3 cylinder engine.... We are looking forward for more reviews and videos !! Keep it like that 💪
@@MrArty47 That would be an absolute missile! Probably dangerous also 😁
İs Tracer 700 top heavy?
No. It's extremely manageable
well ! i need yr opinion , i am about to buy a new bike , i cant take a disition and y make it even harder XD ! i need a bike fr 80% daily use and 20% trips (off on road) i am 1.70 .
I was between tracer 7 tracer 9 tenere 7 and now y make it look easy win fr tracer 7 but i will w8 to see the end of this journey
Hi there... I haven't tested the tenere7 yet, but it's a tall bike.... i honestly prefer bikes i can flat foot. They are just so much more convenient 👍
I think my video is self explanatory. The tracer 7 is a better everyday bike than the Tracer 9. The only thing better in the Tracer 9 is the engine which is glorious. But everything else, the tracer 7 does better 👍
I will w8 to see the winner and I will just buy it also.
😀😀😀
I need money to buy 1 each hahaha
I think you should give a weight to each section. I mean, how the engine and leg protection points have the same weight?? This makes your scaling very very wrong. I even don't believe in scaling bikes, giving each spec a point and saying this bike is better than that bike anyway, since even the engine alone may be your reason to choose a bike over another. And reviewers should keep that in mind that "I am not reviewing a tool that has a purpose, I am reviewing a buddy, a friend, a machine has a soul, a character and will be loved by his companion (rider)" motto. I believe every bike deserves that treatment. But giving a rating to its specs and assuming every spec is as important as another is so so wrong, it's an insult.
Hey there 👋
Thanks for your comment 👍
For you, which is most important, engine, or leg protection?
@@John_Neves I think given point for each section should be radical but the weight of it is subjective. Weight also must take into account if the problem is fixable or not. For example, if problem is a windscreen problem that can easily be fixed by changing it with a third-party option weigth of it can be less, if its an un-fixable problem, weight of it should be more. So, for a "sport" touring bike, I think engine would have 8-10x weight and leg protection can be 1x, headwind buffeting 2-3x, suspension 7x, brakes 7x, agility 6x, looks 1-2x, engine heat 4x, comfort 8x, stand riding 1x etc.. I believe this will lead to much more comparable chart and can be modified for each type of bike. Let's say you are ranking an adventure bike, for that type, stand riding would have 5x weight.. This needs some thinking on it. I believe this will help people looking for an info about bike they are interested in. Don't get me wrong, comparing Tracer 7 and 9 is kind a funny, since electronics alone (cruise control, TC, riding modes, semi-auto suspension etc..) makes T9 better touring bike over T7.
@DeadLead damm. That's a complicated formula 😬
I think all leave all that complicated math to others, and just ride these bikes 👍 😅😅
that,with the wind buffeting ...i know it very well,with a fazer 600 2002 i had.three windscreens i had change.but i solve the problem...my next to bikes where....guess what...with no windscreen,hahaha
Oh yeah! No windscreen will solve it for sure 😅😅
VEry disappointed that the Tracer 7 is not available here in Canada
This is a very odd review. But everyone has their own opinion so. 👍🏻 And the look is my favourite 🔥.
You don't like the 9 much, do you, John. And nor do I. The 7 would be my choice of these two, but I wouldn't by either. Comprehensive review.
Hi there 👋
In all honesty, i don't think I'll put my money down the a tracer either. But hey, I'll keep testing bikes until i find one i love 👍
@@John_Neves I am in Thailand again now and I am buying a pristine Yamaha SCR950. Just less than four years old, no scratches, aftermarket seat and custom-made bashplate. 4,200 km. Well pleased. I am also going to get rid of my runaround scooter and buy a Suzuki VanVan 200, as they are still available here. None of this emission nonsense in the Second/Third World.
Regards, Nick
@@1990-t1j i had to look that bike up to be honest. Didn't know it existed. Quite nice 👌
Looks like simple fun 👍
Sory but holes in fairing dont direct air into knees
Maybe the upcoming Transalp 750?
Hey there👋
I'm honestly not sure. I'm starting to think these adventure style bikes are over rated...
One thing is for sure, I'm not cashing in on a bike that makes my head slam around from side to side... So far, that's what they all do 😮
Funny you use the MT 09 in response to poor suspension review on the Tracer 900 when most people complain about the suspension on the MT 09 even more. How can Yamaha give a 2 cyl the same character of a triple.
Tenere 7 vídeo, please 🙏🏽
That's also a very interesting bike 🤔
13:08 and now, let's compare the two.
Just goes to show expensive motorcycles are necessarily better!
Tracer 9 also has a burnt front light........ I know I have poked too hard, but I drove my friends and it''s a nice bike, but a bkie that not even it''s mother wouldn''t love :D.....
🤣🤣
Bigger is bigger, 193/115
You should review pans not motorbikes 😂

came for the bikes- stayed for the bewbs
This is the only bad review I've ever seen of the tracer 9, most say its the best sports tourer on the market
What a shockingly bad review, off roading on road bikes ??
100000km on a V-Strom 1000? It's only just run in!
Indeed 😁
My humble opinion... older tracer 900 gt is better than 9 gt. I own 900 gt and I drove 9 gt, its just better, more stable, more connected to the road, little bit twitchier on throttle but I like it more and itc can be fixed with Mode B.
I think any touring bike should have some off road ability as you are quite likely to encounter poor roads or diversions along the way. Loaded up with luggage and two up only to find that your Airbnb is unexpectedly at the end of a rough and hilly loose stone track right at the end of a long day's ride can be irritating if your bike is a bit wobbly off road!
Now you made me think if I should get a MT-09 and put on it a windscreen to make it a bit more capable for long weekend rides instead of going for tracer 900. As you have experience with putting on a windscreen on trident 660, how did it help the bike's wind resistance on longer trips of yours? (in the meanwhile watched the video where you described by flapping with your hand so got my answer to a certain extent. However still wondering your opinion)
Hi There 🖐
The overall protection on one of these bikes will always be superior than a Naked with a screen, because you do get more upper and lower body protection. So in many ways it will be more comfortable for travel.
Problem is the dam buffeting.
On a Naked with a Screen, you will get more helmet noise, than without, so be aware of that also. But yes, a screen helps a lot with wind resistance and makes traveling much easier. Just do your best to reduce wind noise. A scarf helps quite a bit. No buffeting from my experience though.
These are motorcycles. There will always be a degree of wind involved.
If it helps, i can travel with all of my bikes.
Kawasaki Z1000, Triumph Trident 660, YamahaTT600 and Suzuki Vstrom 1000.
But if i'm going for a month long trip, where i know i'll be doing 4 to 5 hundred kms a day, i'll take my Vstrom. It's just so comfortable :) Amazing seat and riding position.
A weekend, or a week where i'll be taking it easy, i'll take the Z1000 or the Trident.
The TT i reserve for off road trips.
Next year me and my wife are heading to Iceland. She'll be on her Trident and i'm not sure what i'll take yet. ahahaha.
So there you have it. In the end, what matters is that you love riding and love your bike. It will always adapt to you, whatever the circumstance 👍
Not sure if this helps, i hope so 😁👊
@@John_Neves Hi 😃
Thanks a lot for your super swift and detailed response. I didn't have the time to show my appreciation till now 😃
I don't expect to be completely free from wind or buffeting like on a FJR1300 and I'm not planning as long trips as you both are doing so I'll probably vote for 1 bike that does not excel in all areas but still provide the great deal of excitement and just enough versatility on asphalt (I got myself a Sertao a couple of years ago and rarely left the pavement, so...) while not breaking my bank with unexpected repairs and Tracer 9 (GT i guess?) seems to be a good fit for that. I've given up on considering MT-09 as you've made me think again with your comment and thought that I'd be too much exposed to elements as I'm living in a colder 🥶 country than yours 😃
However, now quickly went over your comments in the video and seriously is the suspension so hard even in A2 mode that the saddle hits your bum on every single cobblestone? I don't expect to glide over the cobblestones like on a v-strom or any other enduro tourings but I'd at least expect my teeth to not to shatter :) Or the Tracer 9 GT to be if not totally but slightly more comfortable than a Z1000. What would you say?
And good luck 🤞 with your search for your next bike. V-strom is such a practical and economical machine that is very tough to replace especially for your purposes.
@@namsoiled Hi there 🖐
I have a first gen Z1000, and in all honesty i find the suspension more comfortable, but is has manual adjustments, and it will go all the way from soggy to rock hard so it's easy to fine tune to my ride.
The overall comfort of the Tracer was great and it's a much more comfortable tourer than a Z1000, I was just not to keen on the buffeting, and the suspension, even in A2, and i've heard others complain... I'm quite sure the manual suspension is more comfortable.
These kinds of bikes offer a lot for traveling and i do believe they are truly the best compromise for that purpose. They are not without their downsides of course.
There is so much to choose from, it's hard to find the best one.
I recently tested the TIGER 1200 Rally Pro, and it was amazing! Best bike so far. But at over 20K, i just can't see it would translate into 20K of pleasure when compared to what i already have... It's just too much money IMO.
You are correct, my Vstrom is very competent, and even 20 years old, it still does everything i ask from it. Of course it doesn't feel modern, but hey neither am i :D
It's not going to be easy to replace, mainly because I'm having difficulty in justifying spending a huge lump of money VS the pleasure I'll get back. ( Not sure if that makes sense)
But lets see. There are some fantastic bikes out their. I just haven't tried "The ONE" yet :)
Take care, choose wisely :)
@@ianclose123 I got a tracer 9 in the end :)
Surprise you are not considering the Kawa Versys 650, as well as the smaller GSs or KTM?
I'm, even considering the KTM 390 Adventure :)
Review out soon 😁
If CP2 70 HP is not enough , only 42 in KTM it will be... but I would like to see the video😊
And with one is better in wheelie ?