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I only run keys so can't speak to what happens with them in raid, but I've seen some pretty impressive monks kicking ass in each spec at the higher key level. It's not to say it isn't a challenge for them to balance their abilities, but it can be done.
I wish they'd give Monk the same treatment they gave Paladin this expansion. There's so many cool things they could do with this class. Windwalker is already super fun rotationally, I just wish they'd tweak the numbers and talents to make it competitive long term and more flexible in various forms of content. Brewmaster just needs like half of their buttons pruned or baked into passives.
The exact comparison needed tbh; they've done great work with Paladin and they removed so much button bloat with ret pally. I'd love to play Monk and get good at it but the button bloat is worse even than UH DK
@@plusmental2660 yes, I would be fine removing a few things, maybe make a few things either/or selection nodes. Get rid of fae stomp. It was cool in shadowlands, it doesn't belong in Dragonlands. It seems every class is popping some blue fae ability. Almost thought we were still in the last expansion. Expel harm can go for ww, at least. I would say make disable pvp talent, but I use it on the adds on the worm boss in Nelth-Lair to slow. Lot of things are like a situational use button you don't need often but when you do, you need to move things around on the bars.
I'm actually upset that people are complaining about 'button bloat'. Brewmaster is one of my favourite class specs to play right now because it requires finesse, skill, and memorization to play. Removing abilities from it's bar would make playing it boring. You can edit your hotbars without an addon now and can rebind keys. You don't just have to use the one they give you. Brewmaster is in the perfect place right now. It doesn't need to have abilities removed.
I'm a m+ mw and I don't have an issue with faeline stomp tbh. It's a fun ability and it's nice having to put thought behind where you place it. It's also very easy to get the CD reset proc, especially if you have Chi burst off cd :) What I feel mistweavers are dying to get are tankiness/defensives/longer melee range and external DR. I can't believe hpal gets 20% DR on less than a 1 min CD and we get 20%DR (+20%health) on a 6 min cd, it's absurd
You're so right! I agree with everything about this comment. Also Bonedust Brew is also absolutely useless on a Windwalker while being insanely useful for a Brewmaster. I guess Windwalkers just can't have nice things lol.
@@MarcelianOnline I've always held the opinion that Hit Combo is just the laziest talent on the WW tree. There is no reason that it can't be baked into the Mastery and then that would help push Mastery as an actual wanted stat.
@matthewbreen1951 @MarcelianOnline In addition to it current effects, critical hit now also reduce all damage abilities on cooldown by XX amount whenever a critical hit is made against any target. Blizzard seems to LOVE CDR at the j e moment, so let's lean into that. Enabling CDR helps mastery become much more effective while increasing Critical Chance's value up. I believe this would create a fun paradigm where both stats would be valued and could create interesting intersections of play. I don't have an issue with the auto/not-auto attacking, but nothing should be tied to auto attacks, in general. It's unfun and removes player skill/input from the mechanic which is a big feelsbad. Just my thoughts.
Windwalker PLAYS REALLY well. It's all the fine details around it that don't make sense. Scaling, talents being bad or not making sense and all these little things add up to needing a better understanding of what Windwalker really is.
Played windwalker for all of this expansion and some of others. The best way to improve WW is to just revert touch of death to its previous state which is all the damage you do within a window(6 seconds) gets applied again. This was WAY more fun to play with than a 1 button kill move. Much more skill expressive and unique. If I had a wish list id also combo strikes to stack higher so theres more incentive to stack mastery and more punishing to break a large combo builder.
Monk community around the world has spoken, whole 200 ppl. Conspiracy theory: Monk is so bad and neglected cuz bilzzard want everyone to leave the class, so that they could delete it and give all remaining cool stuff do DH
Monk isn't neglected. Look at the player stats again. Windwalker is the 10th most played spec in the game. The only monk spec even close to the bottom is Mistweaver. This video is stupid. It's trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
What i actually want in monk: 1) make Fist of fury to deal guarantee crit like Havoc DH's Eye beam. 2) Increase Whirling Dragon Punch damage by 250% in PVE. 3) Mastery rework: Make it so that Tiger Palm applies an effect which increases damage by (x)% and attack speed by (x)% for 20sec. 4) Old Touch of Death return: Touch of death CD reduced to 1min and make it that deals 35% of all dmg done for 10sec (like paladin's Excutation Sentance). 5) Executing targets on 25% HP: make it so that when a target falles below 25% HP, Rising Sun kick CD to be refreshed and deal 200% increased damage. I wander how monk will be if it gets this changes
Wishlist for Mistweaver M+ primarily (Fistweaving), but to a degree also Raid. Raid thoughts on the bottom. 1. Increase melee range - Being in melee is fun, but very challenging while healing. Longer range would make it less hectic to be close to frontal and ground effects etc while also healing. 2. Make Essence Font a AoE heal cooldown that buffs your other spells in the toolkit. EF is very nice to use on the move, but atm it's just a replacement for a badly placed faeline. 3. Make Expel harm a passive ability that heals if your health drops low, maybe also make it remove some debuffs at the same time. So it lives up to its name. 4. Healing Elixir is great as it is. The only reason to do something about it is remove it in favour of something else making MW tankier. But I can't see a 2-charge selfheal off GCD being trumped by something else. 5. Give every healer a Battle-res. Give every tank Bloodlust/Heroism. Remove those from DPS. 6. Merge Dampen Harm and Diffuse Magic into one 1-min defensive cooldown. Keep reactive the "spellreflect" mechanic because it's cool. But streamling physical and magic damage reduction. 7. Reduce CD on Fort Brew to 3 min and make it a big defensive. That way Dampen damage/magic can be the upkeep defensive and Fort Brew can be the "prepare for big damage" CD. For Raid I personally enjoy and would like to keep the Fistweaving playstyle there as well but I haven't experienced the MoP ranged healing. I do want Yu'Lon to be meant for raid/BG and Chi-Ji meant for M+/Arena. But I did not enjoy the Cluded focus build of 10.1 at all. It was so much worse playing Mistweaver in 10.2 than it was in Season one or late in Shadowlands for that matter. Ramping into a Yu'lon that could be mistimed or outhealed by your other healer friends before you even got to healing was awful. For raid I'd like some sort of Jade Serpent + Yu'lon build where you use renewing mist to ramp up general raidhealing for sustained healing but when shit hits the fan you put down a Jade Serpent statue that smart heals 5 targets in the raid and have Yu'lon be the big CD that pumps healing into the raid and indirectly makes Jade Serpent become even stronger. That way Jade can prevent Monks from always having to overheat and Yu'Lon can still be the big fun cooldown where MW shine. That would enable a playstyle where monks are Soomweaving tanks but still healing the players in raid that are in critical danger. And also enables a playstyle where MW can target heal and splash heal freely without competing with non-ramp healers for the people in raid needing healing the most because Jade Serpent fills that gap.
I'm ok with Brew keeping shuffle as a more passive tanking play style. I get that it's a nightmare to keep balanced but you have 6 tank rolls to choose from and shuffle let's you focus on other areas of gameplay that I enjoy.
I concur. I play Brewmaster and Windwalker, and I'm just getting into Mistweaver. Monk is in a great spot right now. I felt like it was absolutely atrocious and unplayable in Shadowlands.
Yeah channeled melee abilities are absolutely my least favourite part of the class. I truly enjoy everything else about both Brewmaster and Windwalker, though. (Except maybe the statues, those suck)
Thanks a lot ! After more réflexion this last week i’ve loot a lot for my ww monk , and the gameplay is fun ! I do damage on key , but need a little boost on raid , after your video , i know ww is on progress , i Hope they gonna do something to this spec ! Beacause it need it
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They could fix ww monk stats pretty simply with a skill similar to ret or havoc that takes our builder tp and replaces auto attacks with it. Mastery now affects auto attack tps and haste now is a stat worth having for our massive new amount of free gcds.
Windwalker's mastery is terrible and needs to go. That's the only thing we agree on. Pretty much everything else you said was way off the mark. Not every class in the game needs to be dumbed down to the same 4 buttons pressed over and over. I like my brewmaster as it is, tyvm. Go away.
Thank you so much. Brewmaster is one of my few shining lights in this game. Almost everything else has been dulled into mediocrity with basic 3 or 4-button rotations. I don't mind the Windwalker mastery. I like the idea behind it, and I feel like Windwalker's weakness is in it's channeled melee abilities and it's mediocre cooldown abilities.
They need to buff chi burst and crackling jade lightning. No other classes have abilities that purposely do tickle damage. Blizard is playing in our face with the jade emperor capacitor talent because the damage should be baseline. Monk doenst feel like a monk. Chi busrt should feel like a finisher/Kamehameha wave, not something just to press because everything else is on cd. Monk has been getting shafted and it sucks becusse it could be so great but someone at blizz is hating.
ive never had this much fun on my brew honistly, you mention it feels more like a dps spec then a tank spec. Well why would that have to be a bad thing? No need to go overboard with compairing the tanks. If its not your playstyle then so be it
TBH for WW, I'd like to see them get an ability similar to avenging wrath that paladins get, but make it cool and different, like let us actually use our weapons? When we click it we get these swirling mists around us and we use our weapons with cool marital art animations? Or maybe give us WWs a ranged faze with a similar buff (Kinda like surv hunter) where our punches and kicks shoots out elemental stuff like something from Avatar? Just spit balling ideas, because there's so much they can do with the class overall, instead of just , punch, kick, spin.
Button bloat on Brewmaster? What an absolute baby take. On nooooo, I have to hotkey more abilities! Waaaah! Please for the love of god, Blizzard, please don't take away abilities from my Brewmaster because this noob is crying that it's too much.
Agreed 100%, fell in loved with monk back in legion and it just feels like they took a good base and just added and added until it became a bloated mess. If they could make Auto attacks work during channels and make mastery affect them too, you fix so many WW issues, from stat value to kit interactions to actual ST damage viability and scaling. For Brewmaster, we need to get back to basics; remove RJW, Weapons of Order, Bonedust Brew, Chi Wave and others. Bake them into passives, procs and/or Dave. No reason to have 6 offensive CDs and 8 rotational binds, half of which are "does dmg and uses a GCD while energy recovers" Keg Smash, TP and SKK spend energy to reduce Brew CDR. Breath, BoK and RSK woven to allow energy to recover and have other synergies. Honestly, it would be near impossible to make stagger interesting to manage without making it absurdly broken. But at least a fluid rotation, that isn't bloated, and has a purpose: "If I play right I will have more brews" would be at least a step in the right direction.
What I would love to have is a dedicated Fistweaver path in WW, one in which I can heal but never ever have to press a real healing speel or click on unit frames. A great example would be a Chloromancer in Rift.
I've been saying a 4th spec called Chidancer that does melee support healing and moves chi in the form of overhealing from player to player. With abilites that buff team's armor and resource generation too. They can add it as support. Healers would drool to have a support that turns their overhealing into effective healing. Moving chi with a dance of fists and feet feels thematically fitting too.
Tbh. After MOP WW fell off hard for me. “IT DOES HIGH BURST, IT CLEAVES! IT HAS MOBILITY!” - many classes have high burst in pvp. - many classes can also cleave and do well in AOE. (DH is comparable) - mobility doesn’t always help. Unless all you do is spam arena, monk mobility is fun but doesn’t remotely make up for its trash defensives. Also, it feels like they wanted it to be subtlety rogue. Without the CC. or stealth. I miss old monk that controlled people with stuns and soft CC and was hard as hell to kill because of their good self healing. Relying on slowing winning through attrition and outplaying And even in pve. Their single target is ass most of the time Flavor wise why tf does this class summon crap? you could make that an entirely different spec at this point. Lemme punch and kick.
i dont play much windwalker but i did to bonedust brew times , but one question why is the larger radius for bonedustbrew a capstone, why put quality of life point on one of the capstones ?
Playing monk is like wearing Under Armor instead of Nike. It may be the least played class for a reason. Maybe re-work Death Knight or Hunter first. I only play warrior, rogue, and shaymans so it doesn't matter to me
@loveyourself3246No, the catch-22 is that even though they have clearly given the class a lot of love, no one is willing to try it because they expect the class to be just as awful as it was in the past and they are already locked into other classes after Shadowlands. Monks were absolutely abysmal in Shadowlands and now that they have been improved in Dragonflight it is going to take people some time to realize they are better. This guy is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
Thanks for the video ! I Hope blizzard will adress monk issues. For the windwalker spec, especially the mark of the crane, they could take what they made with outlaw rogue’s between the eyes (changing it from a debuff on enemies to a buff on the player). Specs that have a long setup tends to be very bad in m+, je ne since wow us focusing more and more on that content, class design should go that way !
Bonedust Brew is Jello. Brew made of bones...jello is boiled bones. I am tossing hot jello at my enemies... Well, not me. I don't spec it. Don't care about the extra button on my bar just to set up damage. I am tempted to spec it just to macro yell Jello Shot every cast.
Fae stomp was fun for shadowlands. It's annoying for me now. I want to hit it but I know we are going to move soon so I wait. I swear tanks fake me out on when they have finished gathering. It has nothing to do with monks, why do we still have it? Why do so many classes and specs still have these fae abilities? I spec'd out of tiger statue for the extra roll and cooldown. Enemies move out of it 50% of time anyway. I still haven't healed mythic plus or real raiding. I can't even relax in a heroic without feeling like a rush to catch up, and I'm geared. The issue is the health pools of the targets is not enough to stay alive long enough so I can heal them. Same issue my 447 druid friend has when healing lowbie m+. Even if you are OP geared, you can't put it to actual use.
first of all mastery for Windwalker is Good we just tend to Scale better with crit and vers so In pure St We have more mastery than vers and we are gcd locked so we have 0% haste And any Pi/Lust does not affect our GCD Which is a bad thing capstone are bad just beyond bad no tank try to stay on one place bonedust brew was good where it could interact with crit and versa fls is bad being forced to stay on the rune was/is/will bad I'm fine with TOD damage how ever one thing I don't like about it is how we damage with like there is a 2 sec Delay so either we use twice or we miss one and Butcher our damage I wish they just revert the nerfs they have done in the pre patch and rework the capstones
i agree with almost everything i would add MW: please just give us a longer range , i cannot count how many time i failed a yu'lon ramp because i HAD to move and couldn't RSK to extends my HOT. god damn hpaly can keep to HS/JUDGMENT from the other side of the room. make BOK/RSK like 6-10yards and it would make the caster build work better while keeping the 100% melee monk happy everyone win from that ! also being one of the most easy class to get globalled while in melee is quite problematic. no armor, no hp, no good CD like hpaly and ofc no range at all. it make MW probably the most squishy class of them all BREW: purify / CB is nice and you certainly do not use it 'on cooldown' unless you want to die ! a great purify well timed will heal you like crazy and thinking how the use CB optimally is quite nice especially in m+ where you will use them back to back. BUT BUT BUT ! if you enter a pack and you can't get any stagger before being OBLITERATE it make the whole mitgation useless and atm brewmaster is probably the only tank that will use two tanks trinket to survive high fort key. a 'quick solution' to address this would be to make fortify brew actually useful and on a way lower cooldown. like 1min-1m30 cooldown with a boost in dmg staggered would make entering a pack and building stagger/CB stack 'safely' . when i started to play brewmaster the main argument on the wow presentation was all about 'smooth dmg' and atm it's the complete opposite. stagger ain't good since like SL S1 like it's pretty bad atm. almost every problem brewmaster had with survivability is because our staggering is so damn bad and it's only addressed with 'random' self heal and it make us a semi DK without death strike and less CD. our armor is risible so his our health pool
You are allowed your opinion but when it directly goes against actually playable references when people have pulled off huge feats when they have played it right, doesnt mean a rework is needed, it means people need to learn how to play it correctly. Paladin needed a rework, it was clunky and un playable. Rogue needed a rework, healing in general needed a rework. Monk tanks dont need one. , i just soloed three bosses in DoIT. Morchie form 65% HP, Timeways form 28% and Dieos form phase three yes form after he lands again. It took me 15 mins to finally kill him but the group i was in was more stunned than anything else. Monk is completely fine, if you are having problems, you dont know how to play or your gearing wrong. Seriously dont touch monk. Blizzard if you touch monk i swear to god i will quit this game. Your priority should be AGI > Vers > Crit (thats it, nothing else, avoid everything else as much as possible) I'm rocking 32% vers and 30% crit. I get 140k DTPS and getting roughly 80-100k HPS in aoe packs and having no problems what so ever. Priority is Rising Sun and Black Out when every they are on CD cause they spawn the orbs that heal you, expel harm when at 3 stacks or more, and then stagger your use of your brews to spread the damage out as much as possible. DPS is lacking slightly in single target compared to the other tanks but it is just as good as blood when making clutch plays. Just like blood DK, if a healer is healing you after you have started building stacks the healer or you are playing wrong. Blood DK = Monk with survivability when played right. Then all the other tanks fall in behind em. This video is a satire piece for all I'm concerned when it comes to brewmaster cause these are opinions and wrong ones. I use all my spells, literally every single one when im tanking and they have all their own purposes. Seriously dont touch my freaking spec. As you can tell i love this class and have enjoyed learning it and playing it all xpac. If you want to learn too, i will make a youtube video showing you all of this is possible.
Thank you so much. I had to scroll to the bottom of this comment section to find you! This entire comment area is just a giant echo chamber full of people who want to ruin the Monk class. I absolutely HATED Monk in Shadowlands and just happened to give it another shot in Dragonflight. It is my favourite class right now. I adore every spec. Brewmaster is a lovely experience, Windwalker is a treat, and Mistweaver is just challenging enough to keep me satisfied. I won't say that the talent trees are perfect. The capstone statues are underwhelming and there are so many abilities in the Windwalker tree that are totally useless, but the class is SO FUN to play! If Blizzard changes the Monk class, I won't quit, but I will be so very sad.
Play a lot of monk as BM and WW. Feels like class tree is a mess and makes no sense. BM is cool but way too many buttons. WW is fun to play but useless mastery and way more buttons than needed makes it tricky to play. Plus really low HP pool which makes it ez to get one tapped by any mechanic.
Well rework brewmaster to how they were in mop with focus on guard and have classes that need reworks tells me that blizz have no idea what they are doing but it comes to nobodys surprise sense they always ruin what works and is fun.
If Blizz really wants people to play Mistweaver, make a legitimate caster build where you don't have to go into melee range at all. Personally that would probably make MW my main healer.
Reworks have nothing to do with numbers :D You can just take a shit spec that barely works, crank it's numbers by 1000% and call it a day at that point :P
@@MarcelianOnlineI cannot tell why you don't think it works. It does exactly what it's intended to do - it drives players to diversify their rotations by not spamming the same key. From your entire video, all you've seemed to complain about is the fact that you can't press the same key over and over again and win the game. The game is much more interesting and fun with more diverse and complicated rotations.
Tbh, I dont get why keg smash and fire breath are not combined into a combo ability... Press the button the throw the keg and press it another time to breath fire... it kinda already does that to bcause the use of keg smash resets firebreath. Give them an ability to gain a small absorb-shield so that they wont insta die while pulling or having to grind for those absorb trinkets...
Yeah we should actually just combine Keg Smash with Purifying Brew as well since Keg Smash just refreshes it's cooldown anyway and since it doesn't use the GCD. And while we're at it, we should combine that with Tiger Palm since it also reduces the cooldown of our brews. That way you will press it and it will just do all the stuff you were going to do anyway. And then we should combine it with the Brewmaster's cooldowns so that it just uses them whenever they would be ready. And then since we have Purifying Brew there we might as well just add all the other brews to that button so that we only have to press one button to use all of our brews since that's what we were going to do anyway. There. I'm so glad we fixed the Brewmaster class. It was really a mess but now we just have to press this one button and it plays the game for us. Because pressing multiple buttons is really hard. :(
@@Vesdus You dont seem to get what a combo ability is do you? U probably haven't even heared about how they basically already did the exect thing with that ret paladin ability, but okay, u do you.
@@edgyguy7084 You're just a whiny baby who complains about having to press different buttons in a game about pressing buttons. Here, let us automate your entire rotation to a single button so that you never have to use your brain again.
@@Vesdus 1st of all: that mechanic is already in the game. 2nd thing: nobody is talking about automation. Or are u seeing red when it comes to macros and weakauras aswell? 3rd point: how am I suddely the whiny baby if u are the one that feels the need to like his own comments? lol
the monks need a visual and a lore rework, their moves are sooooo boring compared with other games like black desert, i´m not talking about graphics but the moves, so anoying to see, i hope uncle blizz give them soon better moves, more presence in the lore and please better mogs
Maybe they should bring chi back and rework the class around it like paladins Expel Harm could be like WoG Shuffle buff only up for a short amount of time and only gained by using purifying chi which also costs chi Rushing Jade Wind could replace crane kick for brewmasters and mistweavers to remove the channel lock and it costs chi for mistweavers Combine fort and celestial brew into one spell Fists of Fury is the aoe chi spender and sun kick is the single target spender
Mist weaver has two playstyles which I love. Mist weaving and fist weaving. I’d love if windealker had about her avenue that replaced some of your skills like blackout kick into a castable ranged skill that shoots chi at enemies. That’s just an example but they have cracking jade lightning and chi burst ect , I’d love a range playstyle option for ww
What about Dk same thing problems frost needs fixing and unholy needs fixing not just monk blizzard has a lot of shit to fix on classes frost dk feels half assed dragon Zaragoza and the other ice ability frost looking aoe looks so much the same as Zaragoza it’s dog shit more bust making no since make new spells for all specs cuz there in need help .
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I got tired of my demo warlock so made a ww monk insted. I love monk.
After now seeing how rouge got a rework makes me hope monk gets a rework too
I played demo and witch to ww Monk too 🤭 love it
I'm switching to ww monk from a demo warlock right now lol
I just picked up WW Monk as well after hating it in Shadowlands. It doesn't need a rework! It's perfect the way it is right now.
I only run keys so can't speak to what happens with them in raid, but I've seen some pretty impressive monks kicking ass in each spec at the higher key level. It's not to say it isn't a challenge for them to balance their abilities, but it can be done.
Monks are decent in M+ tbh they have a lot of useful utility and good upfront aoe but the main issue is the lack of diversity with builds.
I wish they'd give Monk the same treatment they gave Paladin this expansion. There's so many cool things they could do with this class. Windwalker is already super fun rotationally, I just wish they'd tweak the numbers and talents to make it competitive long term and more flexible in various forms of content. Brewmaster just needs like half of their buttons pruned or baked into passives.
The exact comparison needed tbh; they've done great work with Paladin and they removed so much button bloat with ret pally. I'd love to play Monk and get good at it but the button bloat is worse even than UH DK
@@plusmental2660 yes, I would be fine removing a few things, maybe make a few things either/or selection nodes. Get rid of fae stomp. It was cool in shadowlands, it doesn't belong in Dragonlands. It seems every class is popping some blue fae ability. Almost thought we were still in the last expansion. Expel harm can go for ww, at least.
I would say make disable pvp talent, but I use it on the adds on the worm boss in Nelth-Lair to slow. Lot of things are like a situational use button you don't need often but when you do, you need to move things around on the bars.
I'm actually upset that people are complaining about 'button bloat'. Brewmaster is one of my favourite class specs to play right now because it requires finesse, skill, and memorization to play. Removing abilities from it's bar would make playing it boring.
You can edit your hotbars without an addon now and can rebind keys. You don't just have to use the one they give you.
Brewmaster is in the perfect place right now. It doesn't need to have abilities removed.
I'm a m+ mw and I don't have an issue with faeline stomp tbh. It's a fun ability and it's nice having to put thought behind where you place it. It's also very easy to get the CD reset proc, especially if you have Chi burst off cd :) What I feel mistweavers are dying to get are tankiness/defensives/longer melee range and external DR. I can't believe hpal gets 20% DR on less than a 1 min CD and we get 20%DR (+20%health) on a 6 min cd, it's absurd
Feels great on MW. Feels bad to press and manage on WW and does no dmg
Yeah guess there's a reason it's never picked for ww :^) @@Yerdone92
You're so right! I agree with everything about this comment.
Also Bonedust Brew is also absolutely useless on a Windwalker while being insanely useful for a Brewmaster. I guess Windwalkers just can't have nice things lol.
Monks have been notoriously bad for not scaling well with secondary stats so they fall off the longer an xpac goes.
Windwalker at the very least has encountered that issue!
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I've always held the opinion that Hit Combo is just the laziest talent on the WW tree. There is no reason that it can't be baked into the Mastery and then that would help push Mastery as an actual wanted stat.
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In addition to it current effects, critical hit now also reduce all damage abilities on cooldown by XX amount whenever a critical hit is made against any target.
Blizzard seems to LOVE CDR at the j e moment, so let's lean into that. Enabling CDR helps mastery become much more effective while increasing Critical Chance's value up. I believe this would create a fun paradigm where both stats would be valued and could create interesting intersections of play.
I don't have an issue with the auto/not-auto attacking, but nothing should be tied to auto attacks, in general. It's unfun and removes player skill/input from the mechanic which is a big feelsbad. Just my thoughts.
Imo when a class doesn't scale with secondaries and uses vers as a main Stat not including tank or pvp. It's probably broken
Windwalker PLAYS REALLY well. It's all the fine details around it that don't make sense. Scaling, talents being bad or not making sense and all these little things add up to needing a better understanding of what Windwalker really is.
Played windwalker for all of this expansion and some of others. The best way to improve WW is to just revert touch of death to its previous state which is all the damage you do within a window(6 seconds) gets applied again. This was WAY more fun to play with than a 1 button kill move. Much more skill expressive and unique. If I had a wish list id also combo strikes to stack higher so theres more incentive to stack mastery and more punishing to break a large combo builder.
we do have this... it got baked into invoke xuen
As much as I enjoy WW, it does need a rework. That tiger statue is actually really lame.. Great video!
Yeah the Tiger Statue is garbo. I still like WW a lot more than in Shadowlands. They're taking a step in the right direction.
Monk community around the world has spoken, whole 200 ppl. Conspiracy theory: Monk is so bad and neglected cuz bilzzard want everyone to leave the class, so that they could delete it and give all remaining cool stuff do DH
Monk isn't neglected. Look at the player stats again. Windwalker is the 10th most played spec in the game. The only monk spec even close to the bottom is Mistweaver.
This video is stupid. It's trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
What i actually want in monk:
1) make Fist of fury to deal guarantee crit like Havoc DH's Eye beam.
2) Increase Whirling Dragon Punch damage by 250% in PVE.
3) Mastery rework: Make it so that Tiger Palm applies an effect which increases damage by (x)% and attack speed by (x)% for 20sec.
4) Old Touch of Death return: Touch of death CD reduced to 1min and make it that deals 35% of all dmg done for 10sec (like paladin's Excutation Sentance).
5) Executing targets on 25% HP: make it so that when a target falles below 25% HP, Rising Sun kick CD to be refreshed and deal 200% increased damage.
I wander how monk will be if it gets this changes
Wishlist for Mistweaver M+ primarily (Fistweaving), but to a degree also Raid. Raid thoughts on the bottom.
1. Increase melee range - Being in melee is fun, but very challenging while healing. Longer range would make it less hectic to be close to frontal and ground effects etc while also healing.
2. Make Essence Font a AoE heal cooldown that buffs your other spells in the toolkit. EF is very nice to use on the move, but atm it's just a replacement for a badly placed faeline.
3. Make Expel harm a passive ability that heals if your health drops low, maybe also make it remove some debuffs at the same time. So it lives up to its name.
4. Healing Elixir is great as it is. The only reason to do something about it is remove it in favour of something else making MW tankier. But I can't see a 2-charge selfheal off GCD being trumped by something else.
5. Give every healer a Battle-res. Give every tank Bloodlust/Heroism. Remove those from DPS.
6. Merge Dampen Harm and Diffuse Magic into one 1-min defensive cooldown. Keep reactive the "spellreflect" mechanic because it's cool. But streamling physical and magic damage reduction.
7. Reduce CD on Fort Brew to 3 min and make it a big defensive. That way Dampen damage/magic can be the upkeep defensive and Fort Brew can be the "prepare for big damage" CD.
For Raid I personally enjoy and would like to keep the Fistweaving playstyle there as well but I haven't experienced the MoP ranged healing. I do want Yu'Lon to be meant for raid/BG and Chi-Ji meant for M+/Arena. But I did not enjoy the Cluded focus build of 10.1 at all. It was so much worse playing Mistweaver in 10.2 than it was in Season one or late in Shadowlands for that matter. Ramping into a Yu'lon that could be mistimed or outhealed by your other healer friends before you even got to healing was awful.
For raid I'd like some sort of Jade Serpent + Yu'lon build where you use renewing mist to ramp up general raidhealing for sustained healing but when shit hits the fan you put down a Jade Serpent statue that smart heals 5 targets in the raid and have Yu'lon be the big CD that pumps healing into the raid and indirectly makes Jade Serpent become even stronger. That way Jade can prevent Monks from always having to overheat and Yu'Lon can still be the big fun cooldown where MW shine. That would enable a playstyle where monks are Soomweaving tanks but still healing the players in raid that are in critical danger. And also enables a playstyle where MW can target heal and splash heal freely without competing with non-ramp healers for the people in raid needing healing the most because Jade Serpent fills that gap.
I'm ok with Brew keeping shuffle as a more passive tanking play style. I get that it's a nightmare to keep balanced but you have 6 tank rolls to choose from and shuffle let's you focus on other areas of gameplay that I enjoy.
I totally agree. Brewmaster is hella fun to play and competes with Venegeance DH as the best tank in the game right now. Don't touch it, it's perfect.
I think the monk specs are fine, i do main Mistweaver and Brewmaster and i enjoy these specs more then the other healers and tanks
I concur. I play Brewmaster and Windwalker, and I'm just getting into Mistweaver. Monk is in a great spot right now. I felt like it was absolutely atrocious and unplayable in Shadowlands.
I really want to used my weapons on my monk 😢
Yeah that is easily my biggest complaint with Windwalker Monk. :(
Brewmaster doesn't have that problem at all, though!
As somebody recently coming back to WoW after a sizeable (Early WoD) break, all I can say is that channeled melee abilities feel absolutely awful.
Yeah channeled melee abilities are absolutely my least favourite part of the class. I truly enjoy everything else about both Brewmaster and Windwalker, though. (Except maybe the statues, those suck)
Thanks a lot ! After more réflexion this last week i’ve loot a lot for my ww monk , and the gameplay is fun ! I do damage on key , but need a little boost on raid , after your video , i know ww is on progress , i Hope they gonna do something to this spec ! Beacause it need it
My biggest issue with BrM is that spinning crane kick pulls in healing orbs which hurts my expel harm useage
"And fantasy is important to blizzard that's why we have tauren mages and rogues " Im not even a fantasy guy and that f'n killed me this morning, I'm still laughing. Love you guys!
They could fix ww monk stats pretty simply with a skill similar to ret or havoc that takes our builder tp and replaces auto attacks with it. Mastery now affects auto attack tps and haste now is a stat worth having for our massive new amount of free gcds.
Windwalker's mastery is terrible and needs to go. That's the only thing we agree on. Pretty much everything else you said was way off the mark. Not every class in the game needs to be dumbed down to the same 4 buttons pressed over and over. I like my brewmaster as it is, tyvm. Go away.
Thank you so much. Brewmaster is one of my few shining lights in this game. Almost everything else has been dulled into mediocrity with basic 3 or 4-button rotations.
I don't mind the Windwalker mastery. I like the idea behind it, and I feel like Windwalker's weakness is in it's channeled melee abilities and it's mediocre cooldown abilities.
They need to buff chi burst and crackling jade lightning. No other classes have abilities that purposely do tickle damage. Blizard is playing in our face with the jade emperor capacitor talent because the damage should be baseline. Monk doenst feel like a monk. Chi busrt should feel like a finisher/Kamehameha wave, not something just to press because everything else is on cd. Monk has been getting shafted and it sucks becusse it could be so great but someone at blizz is hating.
ive never had this much fun on my brew honistly, you mention it feels more like a dps spec then a tank spec. Well why would that have to be a bad thing? No need to go overboard with compairing the tanks. If its not your playstyle then so be it
I totally agree. My Brewmaster is my 2nd favourite character right now. I absolutely love tanking with it. All of these complaints are so hollow.
TBH for WW, I'd like to see them get an ability similar to avenging wrath that paladins get, but make it cool and different, like let us actually use our weapons? When we click it we get these swirling mists around us and we use our weapons with cool marital art animations? Or maybe give us WWs a ranged faze with a similar buff (Kinda like surv hunter) where our punches and kicks shoots out elemental stuff like something from Avatar? Just spit balling ideas, because there's so much they can do with the class overall, instead of just , punch, kick, spin.
Button bloat on Brewmaster? What an absolute baby take.
On nooooo, I have to hotkey more abilities! Waaaah!
Please for the love of god, Blizzard, please don't take away abilities from my Brewmaster because this noob is crying that it's too much.
Don't forget about Survival Hunter as well.
The fact we still can't DW (not to mention how bad our talents are) is insanity
This, I want to be rexxar
Multiple weapon types is bleaah, doesnt work for frost dk, doesn't work for warrior, barely works for monks :D
@@MarcelianOnline Well frost uses dw in raid with breath and uses 2h in m+ with oblit. They just have to balance it well.
Also, Whirling Dragon Punch is awesome. It should just be baseline.
Agreed 100%, fell in loved with monk back in legion and it just feels like they took a good base and just added and added until it became a bloated mess.
If they could make Auto attacks work during channels and make mastery affect them too, you fix so many WW issues, from stat value to kit interactions to actual ST damage viability and scaling.
For Brewmaster, we need to get back to basics; remove RJW, Weapons of Order, Bonedust Brew, Chi Wave and others. Bake them into passives, procs and/or Dave. No reason to have 6 offensive CDs and 8 rotational binds, half of which are "does dmg and uses a GCD while energy recovers"
Keg Smash, TP and SKK spend energy to reduce Brew CDR. Breath, BoK and RSK woven to allow energy to recover and have other synergies.
Honestly, it would be near impossible to make stagger interesting to manage without making it absurdly broken. But at least a fluid rotation, that isn't bloated, and has a purpose: "If I play right I will have more brews" would be at least a step in the right direction.
No. I'm pretty sure you're just playing Brewmaster wrong.
I miss the old intro where the helmets would clash.
I really love Monk but I haven't been able to get into it much at all in Dragonflight.
I'm the opposite. I hated Monk in Shadowlands and it's my second favourite class to play in Dragonflight.
now the reworks are here!
What I would love to have is a dedicated Fistweaver path in WW, one in which I can heal but never ever have to press a real healing speel or click on unit frames. A great example would be a Chloromancer in Rift.
I've been saying a 4th spec called Chidancer that does melee support healing and moves chi in the form of overhealing from player to player. With abilites that buff team's armor and resource generation too. They can add it as support.
Healers would drool to have a support that turns their overhealing into effective healing.
Moving chi with a dance of fists and feet feels thematically fitting too.
i miss chloro so much
Would be nice for a monk re work. I miss playing ww
Have you tried it since Shadowlands? It's a lot better than it was in Shadowlands.
Tbh. After MOP WW fell off hard for me.
“IT DOES HIGH BURST, IT CLEAVES! IT HAS MOBILITY!”
- many classes have high burst in pvp.
- many classes can also cleave and do well in AOE. (DH is comparable)
- mobility doesn’t always help. Unless all you do is spam arena, monk mobility is fun but doesn’t remotely make up for its trash defensives.
Also, it feels like they wanted it to be subtlety rogue.
Without the CC. or stealth.
I miss old monk that controlled people with stuns and soft CC and was hard as hell to kill because of their good self healing. Relying on slowing winning through attrition and outplaying
And even in pve. Their single target is ass most of the time
Flavor wise why tf does this class summon crap? you could make that an entirely different spec at this point. Lemme punch and kick.
Good questions.
Answer them, developers!
Thank you (:
Preach Lorks!
tnx alot to mansion monk issue hope bilizard fix it soon
i dont play much windwalker but i did to bonedust brew times , but one question why is the larger radius for bonedustbrew a capstone, why put quality of life point on one of the capstones ?
Good question, it's a trend for some classes where the capstone is an upgrade to what the actual capstone is
did anyone told this windwalker ^^
Playing monk is like wearing Under Armor instead of Nike. It may be the least played class for a reason. Maybe re-work Death Knight or Hunter first. I only play warrior, rogue, and shaymans so it doesn't matter to me
It’s the least played class because it needs a rework the most… lol
@@xfozzypx115Wrong. It's fantastic right now.
They are in the inn with the hunter!
Monk has been least played class pretty long time, idk if blizzard actually wants it to be that way 😁 i think they would have acted on it
@loveyourself3246No, the catch-22 is that even though they have clearly given the class a lot of love, no one is willing to try it because they expect the class to be just as awful as it was in the past and they are already locked into other classes after Shadowlands.
Monks were absolutely abysmal in Shadowlands and now that they have been improved in Dragonflight it is going to take people some time to realize they are better.
This guy is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.
Thanks for the video !
I Hope blizzard will adress monk issues.
For the windwalker spec, especially the mark of the crane, they could take what they made with outlaw rogue’s between the eyes (changing it from a debuff on enemies to a buff on the player).
Specs that have a long setup tends to be very bad in m+, je ne since wow us focusing more and more on that content, class design should go that way !
Typo on second ten: "playtyle" ^^
Windwalker AOE is insane right now. Untouchable.
I totally agree, the only thing that competes is Sub Rogue AoE with Shuriken Storm and Secret Technique/Black Powder.
I love them both. :)
Bonedust Brew is Jello.
Brew made of bones...jello is boiled bones.
I am tossing hot jello at my enemies...
Well, not me. I don't spec it. Don't care about the extra button on my bar just to set up damage.
I am tempted to spec it just to macro yell Jello Shot every cast.
It's amazing on Brewmaster because it's a brew - it's awful on WW.
Forget the monk, we dont even have wod quality pixelated pandas :D
If you look they somewhat rework based on popularity.
I could be wrong.
Fae stomp was fun for shadowlands. It's annoying for me now. I want to hit it but I know we are going to move soon so I wait. I swear tanks fake me out on when they have finished gathering.
It has nothing to do with monks, why do we still have it? Why do so many classes and specs still have these fae abilities?
I spec'd out of tiger statue for the extra roll and cooldown. Enemies move out of it 50% of time anyway.
I still haven't healed mythic plus or real raiding. I can't even relax in a heroic without feeling like a rush to catch up, and I'm geared. The issue is the health pools of the targets is not enough to stay alive long enough so I can heal them. Same issue my 447 druid friend has when healing lowbie m+.
Even if you are OP geared, you can't put it to actual use.
Monk would be played more if they fixed it I mained monk since MOP and I’m not looking to abandon it any time soon
your loyalty should be rewarded!
rework every class every 1-2 years? Blizzard can't balance shit
If they don't give me Liu Kang's Bicycle Kick i don't want anything.
Almost. You can do his flying dragon kick!
first of all mastery for Windwalker is Good we just tend to Scale better with crit and vers so In pure St We have more mastery than vers and we are gcd locked so we have 0% haste And any Pi/Lust does not affect our GCD Which is a bad thing
capstone are bad just beyond bad no tank try to stay on one place
bonedust brew was good where it could interact with crit and versa
fls is bad being forced to stay on the rune was/is/will bad
I'm fine with TOD damage how ever one thing I don't like about it is how we damage with like there is a 2 sec Delay so either we use twice or we miss one and Butcher our damage
I wish they just revert the nerfs they have done in the pre patch and rework the capstones
sadly monks are not popular class choice so we are stuck with what we have :)
Yes! Tell them!
where is Marcelian?
i agree with almost everything i would add
MW: please just give us a longer range , i cannot count how many time i failed a yu'lon ramp because i HAD to move and couldn't RSK to extends my HOT. god damn hpaly can keep to HS/JUDGMENT from the other side of the room. make BOK/RSK like 6-10yards and it would make the caster build work better while keeping the 100% melee monk happy everyone win from that ! also being one of the most easy class to get globalled while in melee is quite problematic. no armor, no hp, no good CD like hpaly and ofc no range at all. it make MW probably the most squishy class of them all
BREW: purify / CB is nice and you certainly do not use it 'on cooldown' unless you want to die ! a great purify well timed will heal you like crazy and thinking how the use CB optimally is quite nice especially in m+ where you will use them back to back. BUT BUT BUT ! if you enter a pack and you can't get any stagger before being OBLITERATE it make the whole mitgation useless and atm brewmaster is probably the only tank that will use two tanks trinket to survive high fort key.
a 'quick solution' to address this would be to make fortify brew actually useful and on a way lower cooldown. like 1min-1m30 cooldown with a boost in dmg staggered would make entering a pack and building stagger/CB stack 'safely' .
when i started to play brewmaster the main argument on the wow presentation was all about 'smooth dmg' and atm it's the complete opposite.
stagger ain't good since like SL S1 like it's pretty bad atm. almost every problem brewmaster had with survivability is because our staggering is so damn bad and it's only addressed with 'random' self heal and it make us a semi DK without death strike and less CD. our armor is risible so his our health pool
You are allowed your opinion but when it directly goes against actually playable references when people have pulled off huge feats when they have played it right, doesnt mean a rework is needed, it means people need to learn how to play it correctly.
Paladin needed a rework, it was clunky and un playable. Rogue needed a rework, healing in general needed a rework.
Monk tanks dont need one.
, i just soloed three bosses in DoIT. Morchie form 65% HP, Timeways form 28% and Dieos form phase three yes form after he lands again. It took me 15 mins to finally kill him but the group i was in was more stunned than anything else.
Monk is completely fine, if you are having problems, you dont know how to play or your gearing wrong. Seriously dont touch monk. Blizzard if you touch monk i swear to god i will quit this game.
Your priority should be AGI > Vers > Crit (thats it, nothing else, avoid everything else as much as possible)
I'm rocking 32% vers and 30% crit. I get 140k DTPS and getting roughly 80-100k HPS in aoe packs and having no problems what so ever.
Priority is Rising Sun and Black Out when every they are on CD cause they spawn the orbs that heal you, expel harm when at 3 stacks or more, and then stagger your use of your brews to spread the damage out as much as possible.
DPS is lacking slightly in single target compared to the other tanks but it is just as good as blood when making clutch plays.
Just like blood DK, if a healer is healing you after you have started building stacks the healer or you are playing wrong.
Blood DK = Monk with survivability when played right. Then all the other tanks fall in behind em.
This video is a satire piece for all I'm concerned when it comes to brewmaster cause these are opinions and wrong ones.
I use all my spells, literally every single one when im tanking and they have all their own purposes. Seriously dont touch my freaking spec.
As you can tell i love this class and have enjoyed learning it and playing it all xpac.
If you want to learn too, i will make a youtube video showing you all of this is possible.
Thank you so much. I had to scroll to the bottom of this comment section to find you! This entire comment area is just a giant echo chamber full of people who want to ruin the Monk class.
I absolutely HATED Monk in Shadowlands and just happened to give it another shot in Dragonflight. It is my favourite class right now. I adore every spec. Brewmaster is a lovely experience, Windwalker is a treat, and Mistweaver is just challenging enough to keep me satisfied.
I won't say that the talent trees are perfect. The capstone statues are underwhelming and there are so many abilities in the Windwalker tree that are totally useless, but the class is SO FUN to play!
If Blizzard changes the Monk class, I won't quit, but I will be so very sad.
@@Vesdus yes. Thank you for seeing it my way. If you ever need a brewer I got ya dude
YES please!
Glad you agree, are you a bonedust man, or a faeline stomp guy?
@@MarcelianOnline I like faeline stomp better, I just want decent ST, I mained WW for season 1 of DF
We miss your partner!🙁☹
Finding out that Monks are barely played. I’m joining the squad I like when the class isn’t played with
Play a lot of monk as BM and WW. Feels like class tree is a mess and makes no sense. BM is cool but way too many buttons. WW is fun to play but useless mastery and way more buttons than needed makes it tricky to play. Plus really low HP pool which makes it ez to get one tapped by any mechanic.
Reworks don’t typically happen until the next expac.
Well rework brewmaster to how they were in mop with focus on guard and have classes that need reworks tells me that blizz have no idea what they are doing but it comes to nobodys surprise sense they always ruin what works and is fun.
Brewmaster doesn't need a rework. Don't just echo everything you hear.
Hunter needs one too
YES! Will have a vid on it soon!
Especially survival hunter and pets in generell and their talents.
I just want to play caster mistweaver without having my mana drop so damn fast.
If Blizz really wants people to play Mistweaver, make a legitimate caster build where you don't have to go into melee range at all. Personally that would probably make MW my main healer.
YES THANK YOU! YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW LONG I BEEN SAYING THAT
No
Ew. Gross. No.
Yes. There needs to be 2 viable builds. One for the fistweavers, and one for those that want to play a more traditional healer
@@mjohn3126 No. Go play one of the traditional healers of which we have plenty. Monk isn't for you.
I like all the abilities but lets just drop all the shadowlands ones and start from there.
Uuuu, spicy take, me likey!
Bonedust Brew is insane and really fun to use on a Brewmaster.
It's awful and pointless on a Windwalker, however.
Hunters first please 😢😂
Ww needs a rework? Dunno, in pvp feels like the most busted ass busty class I ever seen
Reworks have nothing to do with numbers :D
You can just take a shit spec that barely works, crank it's numbers by 1000% and call it a day at that point :P
@@MarcelianOnlineI cannot tell why you don't think it works. It does exactly what it's intended to do - it drives players to diversify their rotations by not spamming the same key.
From your entire video, all you've seemed to complain about is the fact that you can't press the same key over and over again and win the game.
The game is much more interesting and fun with more diverse and complicated rotations.
this didnt age well xD
Tbh, I dont get why keg smash and fire breath are not combined into a combo ability...
Press the button the throw the keg and press it another time to breath fire... it kinda already does that to bcause the use of keg smash resets firebreath.
Give them an ability to gain a small absorb-shield so that they wont insta die while pulling or having to grind for those absorb trinkets...
Yeah we should actually just combine Keg Smash with Purifying Brew as well since Keg Smash just refreshes it's cooldown anyway and since it doesn't use the GCD.
And while we're at it, we should combine that with Tiger Palm since it also reduces the cooldown of our brews.
That way you will press it and it will just do all the stuff you were going to do anyway.
And then we should combine it with the Brewmaster's cooldowns so that it just uses them whenever they would be ready.
And then since we have Purifying Brew there we might as well just add all the other brews to that button so that we only have to press one button to use all of our brews since that's what we were going to do anyway.
There. I'm so glad we fixed the Brewmaster class. It was really a mess but now we just have to press this one button and it plays the game for us. Because pressing multiple buttons is really hard. :(
@@Vesdus You dont seem to get what a combo ability is do you?
U probably haven't even heared about how they basically already did the exect thing with that ret paladin ability, but okay, u do you.
@@edgyguy7084 You're just a whiny baby who complains about having to press different buttons in a game about pressing buttons.
Here, let us automate your entire rotation to a single button so that you never have to use your brain again.
@@Vesdus 1st of all: that mechanic is already in the game.
2nd thing: nobody is talking about automation. Or are u seeing red when it comes to macros and weakauras aswell?
3rd point: how am I suddely the whiny baby if u are the one that feels the need to like his own comments? lol
the monks need a visual and a lore rework, their moves are sooooo boring compared with other games like black desert, i´m not talking about graphics but the moves, so anoying to see, i hope uncle blizz give them soon better moves, more presence in the lore and please better mogs
Make less buttons. Make less BURST buttons. I dont have 146 fingers to play that shit. Or return legion playstyle ffs -__-
Bro just buy one of those 1-button keyboards that Google just came out with and you will be set!
My problem with monk: too much keybinds.
I got my KSM in Season 1 in shadowlands as WW as was delicious. Bring good monk back
I personally wouldn't use Shadowlands as an example of good monk design :D, ww had a lot of bugs that was boosting its numbers like crazy :D
Shadowlands was the worst time to play a Monk, especially a Windwalker.
Too many keybinds is a baby mindset.
Let's not make the game boring.
We need a retail rework
Maybe they should bring chi back and rework the class around it like paladins
Expel Harm could be like WoG
Shuffle buff only up for a short amount of time and only gained by using purifying chi which also costs chi
Rushing Jade Wind could replace crane kick for brewmasters and mistweavers to remove the channel lock and it costs chi for mistweavers
Combine fort and celestial brew into one spell
Fists of Fury is the aoe chi spender and sun kick is the single target spender
No.
You're trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. The class is fine right now.
first :)
Yes you are!
The entire game needs a rework with UI and game systems
UI just got reworked xD
@@MarcelianOnline ye, too bad u cant play with addons. Dont call that pain on a 15 yr old UI "rework"
Who hurt you?
The problem with WoW that it has to many classes and specs.
Hmmm, maybe, you can't have fewer specs, WoW is big and old dude!
Mist weaver has two playstyles which I love. Mist weaving and fist weaving.
I’d love if windealker had about her avenue that replaced some of your skills like blackout kick into a castable ranged skill that shoots chi at enemies. That’s just an example but they have cracking jade lightning and chi burst ect , I’d love a range playstyle option for ww
What about Dk same thing problems frost needs fixing and unholy needs fixing not just monk blizzard has a lot of shit to fix on classes frost dk feels half assed dragon Zaragoza and the other ice ability frost looking aoe looks so much the same as Zaragoza it’s dog shit more bust making no since make new spells for all specs cuz there in need help .
Need a shammy rework too class is to bloated 🤰🏻