Our honest opinion about GBB 2021 w/River'
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
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In this video we are talking about the Grand Beatbox Battle 2021 from an artist and viewer perspective to address the issues we think have to be worked on. Please note, that this video is based on our perspectives and views.
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0:00 Intro
2:37 Sound at GBB
9:58 Artist Treatment
26:54 Artist Payment
40:15 Summary
I will never forget how my chest shook from the sound at GBB 2018, I will never forget this cosmic level of sound) The hall was much smaller, but the sound from this was much denser. Still, big halls, like at GBB 2021, are not meant for beatboxing, because we are incredibly dependent on sound. And yes, I can confirm that during the performance I didn’t hear myself on stage at all, I had to beatbox “blindly”, on automatism. But I was ready for this) Therefore, I made preparations that I could do, even without hearing myself at all. Yes, here is the case when quality is much more important than scale. But I can understand the organizers, this is their first experience of organizing such a huge event, the GBB has never been so big. So I'm sure next time it will be much better! In any case, I am very grateful to the SBX team for an incredible experience!
you had to raise fund for participating in gbb twice and they didnt pay you
sbx bruhh
Helium is so crazy humble and kind it blows my mind
maana that was storic, glad i was there they should do it again there :)
Helium, you are too kind. Look at my name and know that we believe in the same God. Let me tell you once again that you’re too kind for your own good. I mean I respect you a lot, but sometimes you have to respect yourself first, therefore you’ll earn more which means you can give more to others. I hope that makes sense. Gbu bro 😇
Well, that was a hard one hahaha. Those thoughts have been on my mind since a couple of months, and speaking about it publicly relieved me of a crazy burden.
Thanks to Madox for giving me the opportunity to speak up on his platform. And much love to everyone in the comments 💙
Let’s empower our artform again ✊🏻
Well said river 💯
Yeah man😕😊
I totally get you. The time and effort you spent to participate was not properly respected.
Thank you for speaking up bro! I hope this inspires other beatboxers to fight for change and build something, that is more community driven again!
thanks for speakin' up, River
peaceandlove
As a GBB looper, I can say the soundcheck was probably one of the worst I have experienced. I went on stage, they tested that there was volume, and then that was it. Maybe 1 minute total. My kick drum didn’t come through as I wanted, so I had to change it backstage, without knowing at all if the loop settings were gonna work (it didn’t work). On stage, I’m off pitch a lot, simply cause I hear pretty much nothing I do.
It upsets me a lot because I was hoping this could be my big “breakthrough” in the beatbox community. Instead I’m scared I’m gonna be known as the guy who can’t perform live.
sheeesh that's sad bro...
Don't worry, you're already well-known in the bbx community 👍🏻.
Understandable but you still are one of the top looper at the moment bro don't worry ;)
Your 2nd kick-back round vs Robin got a special spot in my heart ❤️🔥 you went from “that guy with a hella creepy style” (positive vibes tho) to “holy rave god” 😂 keep it up bro 🙏🏼
Damn bro, I‘m so sorry you had to experience this! Thanks for sharing your view.
It feels so good that so many people are talking about the bad quality of the event. I had tons of issues and i tested my routine on stage 2 weeks before and i smashed stage but here my elim was total shit because of the whole sound on stage, i had 30second sound check and the rest was adjusted during performance so even my kick was causing feedback issues
i feel bad for u bro
Man I wish you would have received a proper treatment. Your wildcard was so amazing and I couldn‘t wait to see you live!
Man I watched your elim from your chanel and that's absolutely fire 🔥 I feel so bad we couldn't hear you life but you still an amazing artist ! Keep going man 💪
"Soundcheck adjusting during elimination." 😆 Shit. I mean, are you even allowed to put these words together in this order? 😬
I think the money as reward problem is shown in the case of Helium. Helium had to have a fund raise in order to come to GBB. Twice guys. How come an artist had to go through all these obstacles just to perform with basically no rewards? At least pay for their flight. Make life easier
Yeah exactly and now hes in the most watched battle from gbb21 and doesnt get anything from it...
Agreed
@@henrikbaum actually hes doing pretty well with his streams. At the end of the day coming to gbb was Worth it.
It seems like the main problem is money income. Beatboxing itself simply is not very profitable and ppl need to expand beatboxing events to get maybe sports streaming deals or something to increase their revenue. Bc the truth is Beatboxing is not big outside the community.
Even Improver had a fund raiser I think
Haha yeah it felt super weird already to fly to another country, get 6 days paid in a 5 star hotel just to get a 5 min showcase if you dont pass. Some say they prepared for months for this event. i started looping because i wanted to be on that stage one day. so technically i prepared for 3 years 😅 and to get sound issues in those 5 minuts you prepare for so long its just sad ^^ just showed me this should never have been my main focus. im not angry at anyone, not worth to collect anger. i had the experience to be there as an artist, i felt super welcomed by the family, there were some fuck up moments, we all learn and evolve. its really fair to show this side to the public, wouldve been even fairer if swissbeatbox informed/apologized for it publically, but who knows maybe you guys inspired them with this :) Good video my guys ❤️
Wow... that's wow... Imagine all the hard work and all the money to fly to Poland to participate in gbb to get nothing is sad actually
Ofc it's cool you got the crowd and all but still
got nothing and he also had to pay for the plane ticket. Like wtf 🙉🙉
baisicly they get legacy but who cares about followerd views and stuff if u gotta pay 1k to travel and get nothing back
it's like all the other leeches in other parts of the music industry that pay artists with exposure only.
Bro said he never enter again
Also River: i join gbb23 solo and tag team 😂
A little late but I mean as a competitor at the event I can pretty much agree with everything that was discussed in this video, another things I'd like to add is the communication between the sbx team and the competitors, apparently there were some group chats that I wasn't apart of so I had to ask them directly and at some points had to even relay the information to other competitors because they also were not informed. Also I didn't even receive money for food or anything, just signed had to sign the papers and stuff. :(
So sad to hear all of this from you guys
I hope that you can redeem yourself in the world champs with Alex
Massively appreciated. ❤️
BBU a competition made by 200k sub channels giving away 15-20k Euros total. Meanwhile 4.5mio sub channel with way better organization gives away headphones and Loopstation? People from poor countries in Asia have to pay expensive flight tickets themself is so damn sad.
BBU is not perfect but it's just Edition Nr1. It can only go up from here.
Exactly! Thats just crazy
This also sheds lights on Dkoy's statements! Thank you Madox and River:)
As a person who hasn't made the big stage yet I can't talk much from experience, but hearing all this combined with my personal experience from GBB it just makes me very sad.
We as artists put sooooo much effort into our music. Not hours, not days, not months, we spend years of practice and dedication to get as good as possible. Like River said we are not doing it for money but atleast it would be nice to treat the artists in a respectful and appropriate way because they are the reason the videos get millions of views. Let's hope we are getting some change! Thank you guys so much for this video
"I felt used, guys."
Man, that made me cry. He worked hard because he expected things to come back at him that will make him grow as a beatboxer/as an artist.
Felt devastated too. :
Devastated about about what
@@echospace7347 about River' not competing at GBB, and the way he was treated at the GBB.
As a sound engineer, I find myself very frustrated at all the comments about the sound quality at GBB21. I don't know Sinjo's background in sound engineering, specifically in a live setting, and I don't really care to look into all of that before I make this comment. I did a quick little google search and found a video where his title below his name is "Audio Master of Swissbeatbox" so I would gather he's been doing the audio for these types of events for some time. Now with all that said: it really seems like a total novice was behind the board at GBB21. I wasn't there, but based on the feedback from artists it sounds as through he was totally distracted and not putting in any real effort or attention into dialing in the sound for people. Mixing sound for a solo beatboxer should be about the easiest thing in the world, it's one handheld microphone. It sounds like their sound system was either A: MASSIVELY underpowered for this size of the venue, or B: Not properly rang out and tuned to the room they were in (Or both). Blaming Colap's sound on him "breaking his mic" is ludicrous. Seriously, look up what it really takes to "break" a Sure SM58, you can literally hammer nails with it and it will keep on working like nothing's happened. So many other things, like the monitors being trash, not consistent sound check timeframes, etc. All of these issues could have been avoided if he (if he's really the Audio Master who would be in charge of designing the system for the event) had enough experience to properly plan out the system for the size, location, structural material (yes, that plays a big part), and amount of people (we don't just take up space in a room). No shame if you don't know these things or how to account for them - just get someone who does. People paid good money to get there and then get in to the event. And the artists who have devoted so much of themselves to bring their best to GBB deserve better. SBBX is a big enough organization to cover these types of costs, especially for their biggest event of the year. Ok.. rant over.
The thing his he managed to do amazing sound in 2019. In fact the best I heard ever at a beatbox event. On top of that he was mixing for shows of mine multiple times and I was always very happy. So I feel like he was put into a situation were he just wasn‘t able to work properly - thats just an assumption tho.
Short note: they used DPA condensor microphones. Sound quality is amazing but apparently they are easy to break.
@@Madoxbeatbox If he's got a good track record of performance and quality from past events then it's extra confusing as to why this one was so challenged. I would probably agree with you then that he was put in the situation by those above him. I've definitely been in my fair share of concerts / events where a recommendation of mine was ignored by the people with the check books and I just had to make the best of it.
Condenser microphones are definitely a lot more fragile than a dynamic microphone like the SM58, but these types of mics (DPA handheld) are still designed for live use. I would suggest that the microphone was defective if that's really where the problem was. But I know that in the past I've also covered up a mistake or two of mine by blaming equipment. Accidentally hit the HPF, muted the sub routing for that channel (if it's setup like that), etc. All that to say it COULD have been the microphone, but probably wasn't. 🤷♂
Either way... I wasn't there, and wasn't the one trying to manage the system and venue so all I can do is speculate as an outside observer, which is a lot easier than being there. I'm hopeful that the next GBB will have all these issues you talked about in the video ironed out.
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I was there and I have experience dealing with large sound systems in big venues (as a DJ though, but I think I can speak on this it with some knowledge). The sound was definitely not underpowered. In fact, it might have been way too much. It’s clear they packed in as many subwoofers as possible because they wanted it to be REALLY bass heavy (and it was). For perspective, the entire floor in front of the stage, end to end, was subwoofers. Mids and Highs were pushed from two line arrays on each side of the stage.
From my experience, it felt like Sinjo had not dealt with a sound system of this size before. That much sub-bass requires a lot of dialing in and the number one problem people were experiencing was sub-bass feedback. Without proper sound-checks, it was clear that was a real problem that they had to try to figure out on the fly. Sometimes that meant turning the sub-bass way down (like they did with Colaps and several other acts). For loopers, it was a HUGE problem. A beatboxer can stop a sound when they are getting feedback, but that is way more difficult for a looper. Loopers would start a loop and before a sound could start, a rumbling WOMP WOMP WOMP feedback loop would start building. This resulted in most loopers having to restart their battle multiple times while sound tried to adjust (which is obviously edited out of the posted videos). This hurt a lot of performances (I felt especially bad for KBA and M-Age because those issues hurt them majorly). To me, it felt like complete inexperience with a system this large and an huge imbalance between sub-bass and everything else for the sake of “the boom”. I also think the mics they chose likely weren’t suitable for the performances they were putting on, the size of the sound system, and the acoustics of the venue (and I suspect they were locked in there due to sponsorship reasons, but I don’t know that for sure).
To be fair, when it was dialed in, the sound system was great. And it REALLY catered to some beatboxers (like King Inertia, whose inward bass had the perfect resonance for the subs how they were deployed). You could argue almost unfairly so. There are two videos you can watch right now to see how the subs elevated some performances; King Inertia vs Helium & SORRY’s Tag-Loop Showcase. I honestly think the bass in the room was a huge factor for their victories and, unfortunately, that doesn’t come through well on video. BUT, those are exceptions. For most everyone else, it was a struggle. Add that in to the fact that soundcheck times can be counted in 10s of seconds (when showcase artists like Reeps One got a full 20+ minute soundcheck), things were really messed up.
I hope SBX gets it together and maybe hires a consultant for the next GBB, because it’s only going to get bigger. It felt like Sinjo was in over his head on this one.
@@flyryan This definitely sounds like my first inclination that the system was simply not rang out and tuned properly for the venue. This could be caused by a number of factors, chief among them being that the technician hadn't used the system before or had very limited experience with the specific equipment. Based on the crowd reactions to Inertia's drops I really didn't think the system was underpowered.
Unfortunately we won't ever know why the soundchecks for artists were so delayed and inconsistent, but if they had at least given proper time for these then a lot of the sound issues would have been avoided.
As far as the microphones go, a condenser mic wouldn't have been my first choice given that they are more delicate than a dynamic microphone. Being more prone to feedback issues and being damaged by mishandling, but the feedback issues would have been largely avoided if the system was properly rang out and tuned. Really the more and more I hear about the situation this is really what I just keep going back to.
It's unfortunate that it played out this way... hopefully there were lessons learned.
Less go!! some community leaders standing up for whats right. So happy for this
Thank you to Madox for bringing SBX to a different light and thank you River' for your interesting perspective.
I mean, I honestly see river's point 100% gbb is arguably the biggest beatboxing competition in the world, some people prepare years and years only to get to enter the stage, and then the reward is soo little, I mean you prepare for years and years, have to face and pass the toughest opponents, all of that for like 1000$ or a mk ll or something, I mean .. alot of people are shitting on beatbox united competition but the prize for the winner is 10k dollars and for the second place it's 5000 dollars, I think both these rewards combined are more than the total rewards given away at gbb since it's ever started, ( and to be clear I'm not saying beatbox united is flawless but all I'm saying that it's actually rewarding ) so I see the reason why would river do such thing, I'm definitely upset that he won't compete again since gbb is the biggest beatboxing stage you can get on atm, but at the same time I'm not surprised he did. I'm just hoping that sbx realizes how big it actually is and start rewarding it's beatboxers more
sbx is aware of how big it is lmao they arent ignorant or blind to their own actions. no point in defending gbb becaude there's nothing to defend. you saw how large that crowd was, all the sponsors, donations during live stream. how much do you think they made. and dont give me some bullshit they put it all into the event (not actually directed at you. just talking out loud)
I already said during kickback battle that sbx became pepounis money milking cow machine, he makes all decisions based of how profitable that will be in regards to anything else (even morals, tomaz case just proved that) 1k for winning kickback battle was a joke, multi milion viewed channel yet mad twinz for their mad meal battle managed to put 5k with channel 100x smaller, it just shows you scale of pepounis greed
@@damnsonalabanca420 chezame and sxin have 400k subs combined and they manage to create a 20k Price pool... so considering the sbx videos they should be able to Build up to 100k (at least) only from the money they are making with the online content.
Bbu is fine, it just has horrible judging
@@jonasscheiring3959 UA-cam doesn’t pay much assuming you are paid at all. Even huge million subbed channels with hundreds of thousands of viewers get paid picket change at most. That’s why even they take sponsors like raid and why they all have some type of donation link. YT takes, I believe now it’s, 60% of all profits on all videos. Even if the video isn’t monetized-in anyway, for any reason-or if your content is for set to be for kids you also don’t profit in these cases yt takes all. Same reason why people stretch to the ten minute mark it let’s you (by hand) place a ridiculous amount of ads allowing profit in addition to the random ads yt placed and the ones at the beginning and end of a video. Still isn’t much but it more than without doing it. Most of sbx money would come from sponsors, merch, and tickets.
This doesn’t defeat the point nor was it meant to. I’m just reminding you that Yt is notorious for stiffing creators. As for Sxin and Chezame they most likely get their money from donations or day/night jobs maybe even a combination of both.
As a Participant In the GBB 2021 even tho I wasn't in Too many GBB Events so I can't really speak about the other events, But If you ask me GBB 2021 was Organized preety bad. The very late delays that was like 3 hours in the first day, No time for Soundcheck + Sound overall which is not sinjo fault but people couldn't hear themselves on stage and also because this was a very big venue and there was alot of reverb I think it took away from alot of sounds like technique, whistles....
After Almost everyone told me how crazy was GBB 2019 my expectations were really high :(
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No or not enough time for a soundcheck is an absolute no-go! Specially when it's about singing/beatboxing alone or in duos. It's so essential that it could fuck up the whole routine. This rushing of things never worked in the first place. No big festival or concert hall does that. Or they have tecnicians which can make a perfect mix in 5 minutes.
I‘m sorry to hear that bro! I will try my best so we can have more events that are like GBB19 and there is lots of amazing organizers out there who feel the same.
@@Madoxbeatbox
They need to change! You deserved the world championship 🏆😭
I just watched the trailer and I'm really hoping there's a big "unless" after that last statement. Like if they restructure, redesign the competition with better staffing, contracts, prize money, etc. I like to believe that everyone should be given the chance to change and improve, including Swiss, but I can also understand feeling burned and just wanting to completely part ways for good. River seems like such a kind and genuine soul and in my opinion, really one of the top beatboxers we have right now. I will always support him whatever he decides is best for him. 🙏🏻
no dude theres definitely no unless. gbb hasnt paid their participants in how many years? its too late. the beatboxers need to keep doing what theyre doing and run their own events, like sxin and chezame
Pepouni will be mad
@@BlakeT who cares what pepouni thinks. Most of the artists money is probably going to him and his team anyways.
He says more what would need to change in the full video.
@@joonyah8904 I’m joking obvi I agree with madox and river’
So many things in this video made my stomach turn, I can't believe how under appreciated you all are. Thank you both for being brave and speaking up, and I hope this will encourage other beatboxers to come forward and share their experiences and demand change from SBX. It's truly heartbreaking to hear River won't be competing in next GBB, but it's completely understandable in its current state. I hope River will continue to work on his music and share some amazing new tracks with us in the future. I'll be here to support you, whatever path you choose. 🥰🌊
Thank you guys for opening and talking. Conversations much needed in the community.
Another thing that i'm not sure if it was talked about in the video, but i wanted to mention :
It kind of bothered me that so many random people came to the Westin during the day. Random as in they arent artists, judges, part of the crew and not related to SBX. Just fans wanting to either hang out or see their idols. That in itself wouldnt have been a major problem, but the amount of noise was too much, and that in a 5 star hotel. Some people broke basic principles and rules and caused trouble. Vomiting infront of the hotel, shattered beer bottles (drinking alcohol in public was punishable by law in Poland at that time) and even when SBX crew members advised people to turn it down a bit and obey the rules, some simply couldnt which led to police being called by residents on MULTIPLE occasions. It was really awkward for everyone, especially those that comformed to the rules and of course the people that organized the event. You could tell that a lot of crew members where in stressed just because of this ALONE.
Wow very important topic but at the same time it breaks my heart hearing that river wont be a part of gbb in the future
“Never again” SBX have to do everything to bring this guy back.
Who's that?
@@User127m swissbeatbox
so many ppl decided to not participate in gbb again its crazy, also sbx rly needs to change whatever they doing wrong, sbx does lotta things wrong how it seems.
Thank you so much @Madox & @River for this talk. It's a lot easier for the outside people , the viewers (like me) to get more of an understanding of where the frustrations / issues come from. This really opened my eyes, let's hope SBX starts to act up and listen to their community.
Thank you so much for the video guys BIG respect for you both 🙏🌊❤️
Thank you both for talking about this. The honesty in this video, wow. I can tell part of this conversation is painfully. I thank you for putting this information out there.
it's heartbreaking.
all those amazing people, amazing bbxers are working hard to deliver great show , great routines and great battle..... and basically get robed.
really hope it will change. this community is amazing. and needs lot of support.
thank you guys for sharing this. much love from Poland ❤
Especially after two years of hard time for musicians and artist you would expect some kind of new opportunities when you got to be the best in a worldwide competition. But hell yeah. There we go... This is sad. I can hear the sorrow in his voice... Truly a super hard time for artists. Thank you MADOX for inviting all these artist, producing them and giving them the platform to perform and speak out. I think I speak for mostly everyone that this was needed. 😬🙏
I’m just saying I will be supporting all the GBB competitors and I respect soooo much on what they have shown. I hope more media make BEATBOX a huge thing like other sports.
This shed a lot of light on the behind the scenes of GBB, on the SBX videos, GBB21 seemed like a paradise but after seeing this video, damn, for the artists it was far from that. Big changes need to be made otherwise it's a dark path to tread.
Thank you Madox and River' for this video 🙏
Im very sad to hear this and im sure other people are too. River was my favorite by far this year, and now my favorite beatboxer overall. Also, big up to madox for using his platform to do something good for the community like bringing more light to this because this is definitely something for current and future beatboxers to be aware of is they ever plan to go to gbb.
This kind of video is really good for the beatbox world to move in the right direction, respect you guys.
Finally some constructive criticism. I'm glad someone got to speak about it publicly while sharing straight facts. Hopefully your work pays out and there are going to be some changes.
Thanks for inviting incredible artists and giving them the possibility to share not only their music, but their opinion as well, Madox 💗 That's what I think the community needs rn.
I went to GBB2019 and the difference between that and 2021 seems staggering. It’s brave of River to speak about this topic and it’s clear so much change is needed. I just hope the scene hasn’t already reached its peak.
I’m actually glad for most of the problems that occurred at the event. Not all but most, reason why is because I feel like this opened the eyes of the community enough so that these issues are avoidable on a larger scale. The issues put out awareness and the more people that speak the more likely the problems get worked on.
I almost cried watching this, It's so outrageous to see these artist putting in the work and the organization just trying to take advantage of them.
Thank you for speaking up all of this. It's great that all of those problems are pointed out and showed to the world.
Brez also talked about the gbb problems on one of his lives... its great that River and Madox are sharing it with us, am so sad for all the artists and participants
Thank you for the insight from two of the most relevant people in the scene! We appreciate the informative content and that you are willing to be so open about this
This video is so important! I’m not a Beatboxer and I haven’t been a part of this community for too long, so I didn’t know most of these things. GBB21 was my first live beatbox event and I really loved and enjoyed it. But hearing all these things breaks my heart. I honestly don’t understand how something like this can happen. Treating artists like this…wow. But it´s important that people speak up, otherwise nothing will change. What I really like is the fact that you named organizations and events that are doing things better. I really hope that next time I will attend an event where I can be sure that everyone gets a good and fair treatment. Because I love beatbox and for me - even tho there’s a lot going on right now - the community feels like a home, like a family. I hope things will become better soon.
Big respect for these kind of videos
Mad respect. I didn't expect this video to be as emotionally charged as it was. I appreciate greatly how they both tried to stick to facts and stay respectful, and of course I love the insights. Huge. Respect.
Great that you two used the platform of this channel to say something that really needs to be said.
I hope this gets the attention it deserved and that it will be thoroughly discussed.
Only the example that beatboxers like Helium have to raise money to be able to attend the event as an artist is absurd to me... And that's just one little part of what can and should be improved
I love how you guys have just reminded everyone that we CAN'T act like everything is ok when everything has changed already! People are becoming more and more aware of the underlying problems that can't be hidden under the "we are family" picture. Organizations like Swissbeatbox have huge impact on the scene and they will have to adapt if we want the community to be healthy once again.
Thank you for your statement, River. You were killing it on GBB despite being forced to improvise, and that only shows how advanced as an artist you are. And I would love to see you on big stage again, but never, EVER again, like this. It's unacceptable that a VICE WORLD CHAMPION should feel like he achieved nothing, and even got bad publicity bc of all the speculations going on.
And Madox, you're amazing as always, using your platform to raise awareness, not to undermine or ignore like others.
Change is coming. 🌊
Thank you for making this honest video. I think for fans it's really hard to know what is going on and how you guys can get taken "used of". This was eye-opening to say the least. I hope alternative organizations grow in the upcoming years so that its easier to follow your passion.
All this new stuff coming out about Swissbeatbox and the beatbox community in general shows it in a new light for me. I always thought GBB was a great event and everyone enjoyed it, but now listening to River and other competitors, as well as recent drama in the scene, I realize that there is a lot to improve.
man watching this a bit late, but much much respect to River. Speaking out to some of the issues you as artists were living is pretty admirable. Lets hope things improve for you guys as artists for future competitions such as GBB. Much
This is insane. The whole time I was thinking at least the winners/runner-ups were getting a decent prize pool, but to see this is disgusting. I do not know what their budget is for this event, but to see other beatboxing events pay their artists better than the biggest event of the year...that says it all. Without the beatboxers, NONE of this would be possible. If they do not make a change, it’s good to see that some beatboxers will stand up and not allow this to happen again.
Edit: Shoutout to MADOX, RIVER’, and any other artist for speaking up on this subject. The fans are all here for the beatboxing community and we will stand up for the artists.
Thank you for sharing this. I'm so sad about seeing River's disappointment, not only because he's one of my favourite current artists but especially because he invested all his passion and time in order to do something from which he didn't get the credit he deserved. By seeing this in a optimistic way, I think it is an important chance for Swissbeatbox and the whole community to see this as a way to grow, to make this event even bigger, to start treating beatboxers as real artists and not just as "machines" who deliver performances (even if the conditions are quite bad like this year) and don't get anything by doing it. We hope to see River again 'cause that would mean that something changed.
💙💙💙
Love you river. As far as I’m concerned your level of dedication, your love for the craft, and your work ethic puts you right next to d low. Best in the world. I can say this because I’ve been closely watching the both of you since 2018 and I know you won’t stop. Know this: you’re doing the right thing. You have to stand up for yourself and for your beautiful music. Opportunity will present itself to you, and serendipitously so. Whether you are spiritual or not understand that Yahweh loves your mind and your music. It’s not only humans keeping an eye on you. Continue to believe in yourself and your dreams will meet you halfway.
Excellent discussion! These are all valid criticisms and something that Swiss Beatbox should be open to listening to. No one should be discouraged from having open discussions like this about their personal experiences because it is this exact kind of input that companies need to make a better event the next time. Thank you both for being willing to put your opinions out there and I hope you receive nothing but support from the community. We respect both of you and your input and I can only hope that Swiss Beatbox feels the same way.
GBB needs to definitely make some changes, we need to see River back on that stage. Props to making a video talking about this! Hopefully things will improve.
madox, real respect for doing this and River for sharing honesty. mad respect guys
I'm speechless...
I am so sorry, for every participant, I know how it feels, but we gotta continue to support the art form and keep music!
Vonces
its not ur fault, dont have to be sorry
I definitely feel like there needs to be a widespread campaign, reaching outside of the beatbox community even, to PAY. ARTISTS. FOR. THEIR. ART.
Thank you for the transparency. Only way to grow and improve
great video, I'm glad that you guys talked openly about all this cause for us who only watch and don't know almost anything... it's unbelievable
Sharing these stories is SO important. There’s more and more to talk about and change every time people share, and it’s essential for these stories to be heard and listened to.
Good job guys, this video gives a new point of view about beatbox world and particularly of GBB. This video will help a lot the community but also all the people who really want to know something more about this world.
Wow, this was such a raw and illuminating conversation... could really feel your emotion in this River', it really struck a chord. I'm so sorry this was your experience - I hope your 2023 experience was better. Would love another video from you two on how things were at GBB 2023 compared to 2021. Much love to you both ❤
I'm glad that you are ok i was worried as you do seem very disheartened from the whole experience which is understandable. I'm looking forward to seeing your music in the future. Thank you again for bringing this to light i could see how hard it was for you to talk about this situation and i hope it has helped you to get it off your chest and cleared your mind. ESH🔥👊
Thank you so much for the honest words, River. Thanks Madox, for putting out this content.
River, you are an amazing artist and you really delivered at GBB. I really hope that you keep your love for beatbox and music. Much love and support from big fan of your music.
The bad experiences you had at GBB don't define you or your music. Your music itself speaks for you and it's amazing! Keep it up, man!
Big loss for GBB, if River never competes again but I totally understand that you wouldn't want to do that, River. Look after yourself and your music!
Wow! I love this video Mad 🐂! What a personal connection between me as a viewer and you guys. You should definitely do beatbox podcast or if not more of videos in the category. Every content is such a gold.
As a amateur beatboxer, my goal is to be at gbb eventually, this video has really opened my eyes on the other side of things rather than just thinking that everything will be good since it's GBB. Big up River and Maddox for making this video ❤️
Thanks for doing this River, can not be easy
Nice move, been waiting for this:)
Appreciate all you and others are doing to bring attention to the mistreatment of the most important members of the community!
This is a great Video..! You both are amazing
Stay honest👌
thank you for you transparency and bravery
I Appreciate you both man for being honest and keep being a true to yourself You two guys are real man of culture ❤❤❤
And also I forget to mention something to you bro river you should force sbx for money because they are using you music I know they have the right but that was your originality your own creations atleat they can gave you the money the got from UA-cam video it's your right to get money from your work it's not only bad thing but also this is a disrespect towards any creators even consider talking with sbx for money at least you get 45% money from your beatbox video. Even when small youtuber do collaboration they also get paid bro. Try thinking about it. bye have nice day (♥_♥)
Respect to River to tell us the true about that. True that is hide to us or not told right.
Thanks man, great video.
I can't get over the amazing chemistry you two have, this is not something I was expecting from these videos. I love the videos you've done with other beatboxers, but this duo is something different and special. You are both so truthful and kind and I hope you do more content together in the future. A beatboxing podcast or something maybe? I hope we can find new and creative ways to expand the beatbox community and content! 🙏🏻💗
Wow that comment touched my heart. Thank you. ❤️
really glad more people like you guys and mr wobbles are talking about it , gbb earns so much money from their videos on youtube , they need to spread the wealth and respect artists
Also lets remember river had probably the best wildcard ever made "my way" was a masterpiece and i still hum it to myself even after all this time. I can see how much passion you have for beatboxing it shines through.
I've been a competitive yoyoer for 15 years and all though the scene is a bit smaller than beatboxing I see a lot of parallels in the competition scene. The best world yoyo competions will rent out the ballroom of a hotel for the duration of the event so that players have a place to gather and hangout at any hour during the event. Players do have to pay to enter but that payment is often covered by individual sponsors. The money does go towards cash prizes which could be easily done for GBB seeing how many people pay to watch live. Competitors are givin stage time and dedicated practice areas so they can fully prepare for their freestyles. These are a couple things i could see GBB easily adopting that would go a long ways. At the end of the day its conversations like this that will bring change so good on you two for taking on the task. Big ups!
I'm glad ur talking about this , the only person talking about this was d-koy and I was kind of annoyed that people were hating on him, but am glad now ur talking about this
Thanks for opening this up!
Wholesome guy, i hope the best for River going forward.
Interesting video, since I didn‘t know nearly anything mentioned in the video.
I really felt the interview point. When I first heard of it I was really hyped to finally hear something interesting even from beatboxers that you normaly don‘t hear outside of shotouts and stuff, but I was really disappointed after seeing the first interview and even more after they asked the same (not really good) questions to everyone.
I think the most disturbing from a viewers perspective is that some performances aren't uploaded because of the lack of sound checks or no security, safety for some people seemed not to be existing at all as we are hearing currently.
As well the Interviews, as said of you both, had very great potential but this wasn't used up to it's potential.
Im neither a pro beatboxer nor an organizer but it seems obvious to me that you could simply take an extra day for the interviews and sound checks to boost the quality of the competition and especially the well-being of the artists
Thank you for this video
River', and all other beatboxers that participated at GBB, I send you all much love and support because it's not normal to have to do all this in such conditions, especially when it's your passion and much of your time spent. Don't lose your love for beatbox, because you are inspiring a lot of us and making us discover this amazing discipline ! Hope you are all well now, and I truly hope SBX changes deeply how it functions.
Seems as Swiss Beatbox continues to grow and acquire a higher earning potential, the owners/organizers are getting used to a certain lifestyle that is being imposed on the competitors and is framed as "look at what we're doing for you". In reality, they want the 5-star experience and their core values are being modified to suit their preferences. Many of which aren't in line with the roots of what beatbox really is. I could be wrong, but seems like it could explain the hotel experience the beatboxers had. Yes, the spa was nice and the sauna great, but if ya'll wanted a spa retreat, you didn't need to go to Warsaw for it! Great video you two.
You guys are the best in the world that are competing so the prizes should be like £10,000+ for 1st and 2nd! Especially being the biggest competition in beatboxing and with how much beatbox is growing with social media (which is in the millions). Plus There was a hugee crowd that paid money to watch and i can imagine they made aloooot of money just from that. Its not fair.
I would love to see a pod cast series of you talking to other beatboxers ❤️
Wow! That was an eye-opener. Big respect to you both for bringing this to the public forum. It seems that GBB has become a very large event, but it is still run as if it is a small event. I’ve watched this video because SBX have made the announcement to cancel the 2022 event and the comments on that announcement steered me here. I am utterly gobsmacked that the artists are not paid for their content, or given a royalty cut from the UA-cam/Spotify etc. revenues. Especially for those artists travelling from countries where their local currency is not as economically strong as the Euro; I mean that is going to get prohibitively expensive for some folks very quickly. I could go on and give my opinions on venue selection and artist treatment, on the harassment claims, the lack of ‘green room’ space to jam and practice; but I won’t because this comment is long enough already. In summary, I am glad that they have cancelled GBB22 and I only hope that the return in ‘23 brings a refreshed, rejuvenated approach from SBX, that is more inclusive, with fairer treatment and remuneration for the competitors.
Big up Madox and River for being so candid and honest about these problems, without accusation and mud-flinging.
Merci Madox et River !
From my perspective it's also kinda funny, to see about what things people are complaining.
Cuz in World Champs 2018 I was kinda disappointed. My first ever international battle, first time seeing the family and then it's +40 degrees on the venue and completely no water for participants. Only endless Red Bull which was the sponsor. But you know you can't drink it all day and it does not satisfy your thirst.
But still it's crazy to learn about such a big organisation. I hope they will fix those issues in the next editions.
Yes but also World Champs 2018 was a bad organized event. When I was part of SBX our goal was to never treat artists at GBB like that.
@@Madoxbeatbox Yeah, my point is that it was even incomparably worse than GBB.
Did it give you wings though?
Thanks for this video
9:12 even if the seven to smoke was a concert venue, the sound was thrash, it gave ears pain to veryone and the sound was more enjoyable outside the venue than inside haha
12:09 This argument isn't fully honest, they told us hundreds of time that if we go to the side of the hostel (the other door) there was no problem but even kept going in the front. I've spent lot of time on the side and never had any trouble with police, customers or people screaming at me because i was in the front haha
15:00 Hostel in basel litteraly don't want to hear about us again haha they didn't liked us but we were too much, the place was perfect but the personal there was shitty (except the breakfast guy, this man was a king)
18:24 I asked for the extra copy and they told me to take a picture... 12 years of signing contracts i've never heard this :D
19:36 this kind of contract MUST be discussed way before the event. Because what happen if someone flight to poland, don't agree with the contract ? He cannot do the competition ? ok then what ? You still pay for his hotel/food ? Can he still go to the event for free ? I think they didn't have bad intention, there are several organisation problems but this contract was a trap. I read it and yes basically everything you've done on stage/videos for them is their propriety now. We worked hard for 2 years and we have to give them everything or this work was useless. This is not how i want to be welcomed first 15 minutes of a beatbox event.
20:15 you don't read messages we were informed of everything they wanted us to record before the event haha The shoutouts were not mandatory, they didn't tell at first but when you ask they tell you it's not mandatory (it's not normal that you must ask to have informations tho)
22:11 bass6 is litteraly the best interviewer on the planet but he was nerfed by the questions and the technical crew... 22:55 if you let bass6 hobbit and zani drive the interview this would be awesome and i would have probably watched those itw
24:30 hahahahhaa exactly
29:40 100 zloty if i remember, it was enough to get 1 meal a day if you didn't go to the asian sushi shop every day haha
30:44 two sets of headphones so you listen two times more music !! why using only 1 when you have 2 ears ? think a little bit...
Thank you for this video, this needed to be discussed. They are a lot more to say but that's a very good begining.
Thanks for sharing your opinion! The point with the front door of the hotel: yes they told us to do this instead but come on, its literally next to the biggest street of warsaw. Not really a comfortable place to chill, get drunk and beatbox.
Sound at seven to smoke I don‘t remember 100% because I was a bit tired after 3 days of battles, but I think compared to the main venue at least it was a better representation of how powerful beatboxing can sound.
The point with the info about content: yeah true he could have been more careful reading messages but it doesn’t change the fact about the amount of work beatboxers had to invest in comparison of the outcome for them.
The rest I can agree with!
Hearing this makes me understands den situation more his performance on stage could have been way better but finding out 2 weeks before and getting all of these kinds of things together kinda put him at a disadvantage . Wow this is absolutely eye opening to hear all of this and everything you guys go through !
@@Madoxbeatbox 100% agree that not having a place to chill is bullshit. I was just saying there was alternative (as bad as it was) that didn't involved sbx crew screamign at us + policeman + hotel crew being mad at us
I like this video explaining more about the things not talked about by a lot of people. At least from what I’ve seen only Brez has talked about the sound
Thanks for sharing your experience. That sucks!!!
damn massive respect for telling the truth
You guys need to expand your brand. Take after gamers, when you are going to these events seek out your own sponsors. Wear their brands on your clothes, have them cover travel. Shit like that.
I always felt beatboxers sucked ass at promoting themselves considering the amount of views they are going to garner. The attention you draw, every view you get, IS WORTH MONEY!
Take after the gamers bro.
Necessary Video 🔥
A real shame the event was really complicated to workaround for the artists but also shown how amazing you guys really where to be able to adapt at such short notice. Hopefully SBX hears this and next time gets a better venue, is way more organised with the artists either as a group or individually to get feedback and ideas on how to make the event the best it can be for both artist and spectator.
Thats a good conversation to have.Hopefully you guys can have a meeting with the swissbbx organisation see what can be done!
Everything is so painful. I looked up to gbb, as I did to a lot of other artists, but the more I learn, the more depressed I become. Because I was so disgusted when I found out what had happened, I stopped beatboxing for three months. Since then, I haven't viewed a single SBX video.