The Unfortunate Myths of the Most Horrific Naval Disaster in History
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2024
- 0:00 - Introduction
1:08 - Debunking the Myths
2:54 - Myth #1 - Captain McVay requested an escort, but was denied
9:27 - Myth #2 - The Indy’s SOS was received and ignored
32:46 - Myth #3 - The Indy sailors watched the flag go up on Iwo Jima
33:41 - The USS Indianapolis Legacy Organization
35:10 - Personal message and credits
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Apologies for the clear delay in releasing this one to the public. There was a copyright issue since the video contains clips from films. I had to wait awhile for the copyright holders to approve the video. The ghost story episode is almost done. Should be up in a couple days.
Thanks for everything you do, Luke.
It's ok Luke we're aware things happen take your time, and thanks for your hard work
Thank you for your hard work
Jerks. What kind of copyrights were they so to ban them or something?
That aside, it's fine. Rather, this is timely in a Thanksgiving manner.
Over many years of being on UA-cam I always keep in mind that people also have lives to lead. Real life happens and the thought I stick to when a creator goes MIA etc is "I hope they are are ok". Good work on this video and I truly hope you are doing well and I'm always glad to get a notification you've uploaded. All the very best to you.
Thank you for your honesty about your personal situation in accordance with the channel. You are human, you suffered terrible loss and stress, and please don’t ever think this channel supersedes your own health and well-being. We are all here for a reason. We love you.
That's right
Yessir
My brother in law was one of the survivors. He would never talk about it. The family only knew the depth of what he went through from a couple of times he was very, very drunk. He refused all requests for interviews and reunions. He died a few years ago after he lost his beloved wife. He was a good soul.
Very impressed with your work here. Stories like that of the USS Indianapolis are exactly why I joined the Air Force and not the Navy. Absolutely terrifying.
Not exactly a safe bet, since the USAF has lost plenty of aircraft of various types over the decades , and plenty of them over the oceans, without any survivors.
@@truthseeker2321 no way, really?
@@Khemtime Are you being sarcastic?
@@truthseeker232195% of the USAF is ground support crews. Mechanics, MPs, engineers, etc. Only a handful of people ever take to the skies, so it's actually quite safe.
@@andriys.1860 Yes, now it is.
Wondering if I missed something, and I apologize for the length of this.
The ship's logbook ...
It is mentioned that "they" (I'm guessing officials of the US Navy) checked the Indianapolis' ship's logbook to verify certain facts, like if her captain actually requested a destroyer escort, and other such details.
A. The ship was sinking fast, chaos and confusion were rampant, practically no onboard ship communication was possible, fires were swiftly consuming the vessel and her crew, hundreds never even got a chance to abandon ship...
Question 1 ~ Exactly who had the presence of mind to grab the ship's logbooks and jump overboard with them?
B. With the utter nightmare of being in the water for days on end, hearing the screams of their fellow sailors, the baking sun of the day, the freezing water at night, and the mind numbing horror of not having food or water of many days...
Question 2 ~ how were the ship's logbooks kept safe in the corrosive oil coated waters and who put them above his own well being all those days?
Great questions! There is some confusion about the logbooks here so I may have done a poor job conveying which logbooks were being referenced.
The first thing I'd point out is that evidence regarding the destroyer escort piece was covered during McVay's Court of Inquiry hearing. Nothing to do with ships logs or radio logs of any kind, but rather his spoken testimony during his pretrial hearings is what was referenced there.
The controversial logbooks in question are _not_ the books from the ship, but rather the radio logs from the various naval stations in and around Leyte/Tacloban/etc in the Philippines. As for ship's log mentioned--about where she was stationed during the raising of the flag on Iwo Jima--well, she ported numerous times after that. So those logs were likely taken off the ship and replaced at various intervals.
As you say, I expect the Indy's final logbooks were lost when she sank. But even if they were somehow saved, those log books would offer no evidence of whether the damaged ship had transmitted a signal successfully, nor whether the radio stations 600 miles away would have received the message.
The movie portrays that the radio message was a verbal message. That is incorrect. I believe the correct understanding is that the SOS message was sent out in morse code.
So maybe the confusion was the impression that the logbooks on the Indy would have shown that the Indy's radiomen confirmed (in writing) that they had successfully contacted and spoken with someone at a shore station? That is certainly what the film portrayed, but not what happened in reality. It was just an SOS sent out in code, and since the radio equipment appeared to be operating properly, Jack Miner could only assume the message had been successfully transmitted.
Those are some good questions. If I’m on a sinking ship that just got hit by torpedoes, I’m not thinking about saving logbooks. I honestly still don’t know if Clair account is a myth or not. Just because there is no evidence doesn’t meant that Clair was mistaken about what happened. Also just because it takes a lot of work to cover something up doesn’t mean that it wasn’t concealed. Maybe the families of the men on that ship could have sued for negligence if what Clair said was true, and that would have cost them more money then covering it up. Then again maybe Clair could have been mistaken. I don’t know.
@@WartimeStories feel more like yt strike you for desinformation and you caved in ...
@@jessicalacasse6205or you simply like most people like a good tall tale and when it gets called out for being exactly that you shrug it off and call it “disinformation”. Sadly this tall tale has real life people who were and still are effected by it. And for that simple fact it’s best to get and keep the facts straight.
@@dabubba4603 so you trusting the gov that kept lying as your source for straight fact ...lmfao just take jan 6 , afghanistan or iraq the 3 time we invaded ...fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me
Luke, you have no need to apologize. Sometime life gets in the way. You've taken the story of USS Indianapolis and gave it the respect and dignity it reserves and it is a real sign of courage to admit a mistake and correct it (in this case debunking myths). I hope telling this story helps to heel from the losses you've dealt with and if life gets in the way of an upload schedule, it's okay. Life happens! Cheers!
Great timing on this one, getting to sit down at Thanksgiving dinner and share it with the in-laws, kept them quiet for a solid 39 minutes so thanks for that hahaha
I cannot believe that they literally try to say THE SURVIVORS THEMSELVES all incorrectly remember things like they were ALL ignorant of they're own situation. The deliberate bold faced nerve.
The problem with history is that, more often than not, myth tends to to become accepted fact (shootout at the O.K. Corral anyone?). It is refreshing and comforting, not to mention enlightening, when facts are brought forward and spotlighted that brush away the myths and reveal the truth of events. I appreciate the time and effort you have put in to make sure the stories you present are more than just "stories". It would be easy to simply present things to us as they have always been told (to be honest, this was the first time I had heard the story of the Indianapolis' sinking, and I'm 45!) and leave it at that. That you have taken the time to correct your own work and, let us know about it, shows how much you care about the material and that you aren't just "telling stories".
I have the utmost respect for you. Not only for your service to our country, but for the commitment you have made to making and running this channel. I have enjoyed everything you have done so far and look forward to what you will be putting out in the future. Keep it up and thank you.
I will echo the sentiment expressed by many, we appreciate your willingness to make corrections and update material. I love Bedtime Stories for their willingness to do actual research and point out when something is commonly said but not verified, etc. The dedication and willingness to do actual research is what separates these channels from some others that I also like but never look to for facts! Real Life can suck, that's all there is to it, and we all understand. Thanks for telling us, but don't worry... keep the content up to these standards and we will be here each time you post! Good luck to you and yours, and hoping this channel lasts a long, long time!
I appreciate you taking the time to check and recheck your research Luke, this is a story that deserves to be corrected where necessary and remembered. I appreciate you release new videos when you can, and I always wait patiently for them.
Im glad you helped teach us about the myths, i understand life happens. We just lost some members of both our families too. Youve got your hands full and weight that needs to be lifted from your shoulders. Dont forget to take care of yourself too. Thank you for all you do for us and the men you speak of in your stories. You help to keep their memories and experiences alive today. Thank you for your hard work and valiant effort with all youre going through.
The research you put into this video and your fidelity to the facts is impressive!
I love your Wartime Stories. My Father served in the Navy trough 3 Wars. I'm a lifetime subscriber.
Luke, just the fact that you post anything is good enough for me. Mature folks realize you have a life outside of UA-cam and sometimes that life takes precedence, as it should. I appreciate that you are willing to change directions when you find new information and are not willing to propagate disinformation just to hit some arbitrary deadline. "Good thing come to those who wait" and I am willing to wait. Take care of yourself and your family; we'll be here.
..”Hear, Hear!”
Your telling of this story and debunking these myths are incredibly important. I believe when a tragic seemingly avoidable event such as this takes place as humans we need to blame something or someone even if really there is nothing really to blame.
Don't worry about "disappointing your audience with delays" . I think a lot of the viewers of this channel just want the quality content, no matter how long it takes. The quality is what makes this channel great. Personally, I appreciate the time and care you give these episodes. I don't mind waiting :)
Videos like this are why I love yours (and the main channel creator on Bedtime Stories) content. You're not pushing a narrative of accepting or denying myth and accounts of supernatural or unexplained occurrences. You just give us the facts as per the source material you can find and try to put no personal bias or narrative to the information, and you're not afraid to make corrections or amendments to old content. Keep up the awesome work, the quality of the content is totally worth the wait between uploads.
Luke sorry for your loss 🙏. We're all here anytime and you didn't break your word you're a good man stay strong and safe until next time
Real life loss is never easy, we are here! Ready for the next story and history to come out! Being someone that works late shifts n doesn't see the sun much, having an off schedule is doable! Keep up the great content! A lot of this history is being lost, the country needs to remember how it got to where it is!!!
Bravo Marine! Truth is a cornerstone of honor. Thank you for your service in uniform and on this platform.
And what makes you think that anything Toti said was true? The navy has been openly trying to use the captain as a scapegoat to cover their incompetence. i'd take this with a pinch of salt
Very well done! I listen for the sake of learning histories I know little of, or am unaware of entirely. You never disappoint in this respect! Your personal humility, and concern for the truth always coming to the front, are much appreciated, even as much as both qualities are rare in actual journalism and news reporting today! Thank you!
I'd argue that this humble telling of how we tell and twist stories is as good as your best episodes. Thanks for sharing, brother. Hope comes both from loss and from gain. I hope you can find some hope in your loss. Keep it up; this too shall pass.
The episode just confirms what I’ve thought about your commitment & integrity Luke. ♥️
I thought the two Indianapolis episodes were fantastic & bought many a tear to my eyes.
Carry on the good work & don’t stress about your uploads, your hard core troops will always be here! 👊🏻
I hope nobody threw shade because the episode was later than expected. We were spellbound, beautiful and respectful work.
Ok going to bed now!
Sees notifaction...
Or not.
nice work as always.
content from this channel as well as bedtime stories makes me happy to be subscribed to both channels.
Outstanding! Well presented! And thank you sir for your service. God bless all of the men that served on the USS Indianapolis!
I agree that videos like this should be rare... the exception rather than the rule. At the same time, such information to make corrections on not only a prior video, but also a multitude of media sources, is invaluable. Such efforts should truly be appreciated. So while you should, in my opinion and in agreement with your opening statements, limit how often such videos are made, I would also implore you that any time a video like this MUST be made, that it be met with the same level of attention to detail and effort. Don't fret the length of such videos... it would be better to present videos like this as a single, long video as opposed to episodic ones like Roy Benavidez and Man Against Wolf.
Again, you have outdone yourself on content. Take care of yourself, and your family; that is paramount. Your true fans will still be here. The ones leaving are the ones who couldn't even make it through drill and ceremony. As one veteran to another, thank you for what you do and deepest condolences for your loss.
It's honestly sad that even a handful of the veterans who were there believe in these myths. The sorrow and disappointment in their own selves for believing in such tall tales must have been immense, and I don't even think I could blame them. Such tragedy and trauma would leave even a steel caged mind to believe these falsehoods.
May the truth become more well known than the misinformation that has prompted these tales and embellishments.
Thank you for the vulnerability communicated throughout this episode. Creators are humans too; take care!
I thoroughly enjoyed and was enthralled by all the content surrounding the story of the Indy, getting an accurate depiction is greatly appreciated. Thanks for the hard work and effort that goes into each of your productions.
Sir,
You have nothing to apologize for the hard work and honesty you put into correcting things. As this tragic event has had little to no time to be put to rest. As false or in accurate information. Fingers pointed people's lives for ever altered even in death. You still went out to correct and reevaluate the story. Despite with loss in your family among other life's obstacles.
As I do enjoy and look forward to your presentations. I do hope you take the time needed to stay healthy body and mind.
Semper Fi
Thank you for your work on this tome. And thank you for your service, Marine.
You have a great amount of Integrity to clarify and get to the factual story this is truly admirable👍
Thank you for helping to set the record straight and condolences for the family death.
Your work is so good take all the time you need
I find this channel entertaining and informative. And I always enjoy a soothing voice before I fall asleep at night. Thanks for just being here and sharing anything with us.
Hey, no apologies needed, "life happens", it can't be helped, and the fact that you took time with all that has been happening in your personal life to make these corrections, says a lot about your character.
Do take care of yourself first, I think I speak for the ones of us that are still here, we love your story telling and the dedication you put in to each one of these videos (including Bedtime Stories) and we will wait for you to post. Stay strong!
Thanks Devil Dog! This old Sailor really appreciates your efforts. Happy Thanksgiving!
Thank you for your work. I will always be a subscriber to this great channel. May God be with you and your family. Love from Colorado.
"If it's worth doing, it's worth doing RIGHT!" And thank you for that. Even though it's more work, important stories like this one, deserves it, wouldn't you agree ?!
Damn that's a lot of myths. The only story about the Indianapolis is that my father told me that he worked with and knew a survivor of the Indianapolis while both were employed at the American Cyanimid plant in Savannah, Georgia. I remember daddy telling me about him. I don't know if the story was true but I cannot remember daddy ever telling me a lie. I'm an old lady now and I believed him. He told me about the men jumping off the ship and about the sharks. This was years before Jaws came out.
Making corrections and practicing due diligence is called good journalism. I appreciate your efforts to set aside time to make corrections as needed.
It is admirable for you to include this addendum to your work. IMHO, which carries no weight whatsoever, I have a difficult time believing that the military wouldn't have known exactly where that ship was, and where it was going, given the nature of the cargo they had been responsible for. The best way to keep a secret is to make certain it cannot be talked about. May those who served our country and passed rest in peace.
For serving for our country as a Marine, I thank you sir for your services and all the alike who served as well, I thank you! I take my hat off and I salute all of you, God bless!
Thank you sir I appreciate your diligent work for the truth in this story not enough people care about the true details but these men deserve better thank you again sir fan of your work
Thank you for the video. The Indianapolis is such a fascinating story and it’s nice to hear about some of the myths about this event. Keep up the great work and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here in America!
Happy thanksgiving from your friends in 🇨🇦🍻
You are a great man, Luke. Truth over entertainment
Hey man, don't worry about it. We love you and the work you do for this channel. You can't put out great content you do if you don't take care of yourself and your family first. A belated happy Thanksgiving from my family to yours!
Thank you for the accountability and follow through.
Just watched Part Two and this Addendum video.
Want to say Thank You, for these utterly compelling videos.
I look forward to the next release, and a happy Thanksgiving.
No matter how famous or infamous an event is and how far back in the past it occurred or even if it is a recent one, it will always be subject to embellishment and myths.
I think very highly of you for these corrections, it's good that some people are trying to the facts straight. I personally appreciate that.
I'm also quite disgusted by how they tried to hang the captain of the ship out to dry for what happened. That was just wrong.
Thanks
On Thanksgiving! What a treat!
I love the fact that you work so hard to get a quality product out. Your efforts in putting out stories and correcting certain myths are not going unnoticed!
This is a fantastic presentation. I respect the due diligence. Good history requires such research
I don't comment often but I hope you're healing through your loss. From a stranger on the internet, i hope you're okay. Take care.
Absolutely excellent work, well done.
Great to see a part 3
Thank you for taking the time and doing everything right to correct your mistakes and set the record straight. That's some strong integrity. Thank you. I think taking the time to set the record straight is significantly more important than keeping your word on the Halloween story. You made the right choice.
My husband's grandpa was there. I had the privilege of hearing his account many times and I listened intently every. Single. Time. ♡
This page sure is a special one! Value your time & energy on all videos. Certainly this series on the Indy.
Please keep up the great professional work! Doesn’t go unappreciated and unnoticed.
Sure wish there were more channels like yours!!
As a veteran (84-94) and a historian, I commend your candor and diligence in the way you handled the new information and presented the revised findings.
I really appreciate and enjoy your content and it has caused me to revisit my own experiences prior to and during the Panama Invasion.
Thank you for the great content!
I appreciate how honest and honorable you are about owning your mistakes. In a world where people regularly spew lies and disinformation, without the integrity to admit when they mess up or are wrong, it's refreshing to have someone like you speak the truth and treat these important historical stories with such care and consideration.
Condolences on your loss
It might not be the usual type of thing for this channel, but I would quite like if there were now and again this type of video. Always great to see the record set straight
Correction: the request for destroyer escort report was made publicly available in the 1990's after the navy's failure to respond to the industry sos
Luke, as a faithful listener to your stories i want to say that as a storyteller your honesty and determination for researching the facts after you had already made the Indy videos knowing they needed to be amended while setting aside a promise to your viewers truley shows your integrity in regards of these stories and your channel. I personally would rather a delay in your content for the most accurate accounts of these stories. Keep up the good work and never compromise a timeline for the truth as best as you can tell it. Semper Fi
Your research shows in every episode you post! Your integrity is apparent, appreciated, and a refreshing difference from other channels.
God bless you and your family!
You’re a good man for clearing all this up and bringing to life the true story, I consider myself a WW2 nut and the facts I had no idea how really embellished and all the cover that happened. Was truly shocked,sickened and so sad for what happened to the captain. Those involved should be ASHAMED of themselves.
It seems strange that only a lowly security guard not directly connected in any official capacity with the operations of the radio shack would be the only one to come forward with a claim of an SOS signal being received. It sounds like he just wanted to get his name in the newspaper.
You are always up front and open and transparent. This channel, especially to a vet like me, is very cool and I enjoy it greatly. Keep up the way you do things!
Thanks for putting this out! I came to the channel for tales about UFOs and the supernatural and was moved to tears about the story about Captain McVays fate. It was a no-brainer to watch this episode as well to get more out of the story. Truth and facts matter. Well done!
I am so happy to have found your channel. The amount of work you do in production and research is truly appreciated.
You did the right thing. You maintained integrity.
Thank you for making these types of videos, they're extremely touching and entertaining.
Please do take time if you're dealing with any personal problems, feeling good or somewhat decent to move forward in life is something we all strive for.
I'd also like to personally thank you for helping me contain my depression, it's still there but, your videos help a lot, no matter how sad they are they bring hope to people, so thank you.
We look forward seeing more future episodes, take care man!
God bless you for your integrity and honesty. Formerly a grunt's military spouse, I can attest to the rareness of transparency in the military and how valuable scruples and wisdom are, when executed by one who is willing to be a person of character, not self-gain or ease of circumstances. Thank you!!!
BTW, the quality of production and the attention to detail is wonderful. Keep up the great work!
Coming from a family of US Navy enlisted and as someone who is currently serving in the Army, I want to thank you for the work you put in to ensure the truth. Currently teary eyed thinking of my families stories and knowing how frustrating it is when the truth is withheld or obscured. I greatly appreciate you and your efforts
You're a good dude! Thank you for your service and for telling these stories w as much truth as possible.
Your wartime stories are amazing and extremely entertaining.
To be 100% honest, it's how you tell them that got my attention in the first place. But now knowing that the stories are true, (for the most part) draws me in even more!
I'm a huge fan of your channel and hope you decide to keep going for a long time.
Once again, thank you. Have a great day!
You are one of my favorite YT channels. I just love the way you put out the information, it's like the greatest audiobook or something. Some of your videos are in my all-time favorites.. and I've seen an absurd amount of videos.
Such attention to details is commendable and appreciated. This story has always gotten to me and trying to set the record straight means a lot to a lot of people. Thank you for your honesty and hard work researching this story. It's sad that the facts being misrepresented helped drive Cpt McVay to his final decision.
First of all, God Bless you for your service. I will start by saying thank you for all your hard work in bringing the truth of this incident to light. I will admit, by the end of video 2 as taps was being played, I had to stop the video because I just couldn't take it. That being said, I wanted to congratulate you on your exemplary efforts to honor the truth above finding who was "to blame", going so far as to advocate for individuals who have been demonized in the retelling. No one may ever know exactly what happened, but your efforts have served to clear instead of further muddying the waters. Job well done.
Man you just exude integrity and honor, I'm very sorry for your hardships, and I hope you know we'll be here no matter how much time you need to take. I think I speak for most of us when I say that we come here for you, and the quality, not the frequency of posts.
I appreciate a lot though your stories a great they short and you taking time to release
I appreciate you, candidly revisiting this subject, and making honest corrections.
Thank you for bringing this to light to me. That part from Jaws was always one of my favorites. I appreciate the info about what they got wrong. I won't presume to know if the inaccuracies were deliberate or not. I will just continue to enjoy Robert Shaw's delivery/performance. Again, thank you for bring this to us and I do greatly appreciate the work you do with these videos. As many have said, you do what you need to do and I'll continue to watch when they're released. Take care!
Luke, for what it's worth I had rather have an accurate account of such an important historical event. Thanks for going back and making the corrections. The Halloween episode will get here when it does. It just means I get to stretch out one of my favorite holidays a little longer than normal. Watching you figure this whole thing out over the past few months has actually been a story in it's self if that makes any sense. One thing that has come across is that you're a very humble guy. You're doing a good job, keep it up.
Your integrity is unquestionable, your a very good man worthy of my respect.
Fantastic video.. excellent research
Luke, if only more people had your level of integrity. The world would be a much better place. We appreciate you.
As an ex British Army sniper, i stand in awe of the men and women who choose to serve in the worlds Navys. Not only do you have to fight an enermy but if god forbid a ship goes down then an other fight for survival begins. Be safe out there,thank you and to all that we have lost in war time. we may be in different services but we are all brothers and sisters together.
Saul Higginbotham
I'm grateful for your efforts to help clarify these questions about the validity of the myths and misconceptions presented in the many sources that I have read about the Indianapolis' history. Your thorough research is very helpful.
Its so good to see a true historic youtube channel, you tried and verified the story, gathered all data you could and made a awesome job! You told the whole story, making it clear you had made a few mistakes and why you made it, because fiction can get in the way of truth. It is so hard to find a youtube channel like yours! Keep doing this incredible work! In this age og half trues and enbelishment, it is a good trait to be always seeking the truth
Sorry for your loss man and I will always support your channel.
Thank you for taking time to correct the errors betore posting. Consolations on your loss. Remember that mostly the reason we watch UA-cam is because the people who work hard to create this stuff are relatable. UA-camrs don't hide the fact they have real lives and I think viewers respect that. Sometimes you have to take care of yourself. God be with you too.
As a retired USAF mechanic, I very much your videos. Thank you
Your channel is amazing. I love your honesty. I will always wait for another WARTIME STORY. It doesn't matter how long you take. Your stories are worth the wait!!