Immaculate: How not to Write a Horror Movie
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- Опубліковано 25 тра 2024
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a couple notes!
- this video is way more slap dash than usual bc I wanted to get something out for you all (see community posts…)
- because of this there are a few rogue editing flops
- but i hope you still enjoy this more casual rambly style!
- And remember these are just my opinions, so share your own with kindness 🌹
Yes, I would love some more normal reviews from time to time. Dont feel pressured to always be the perfect video essay girl.
@@Horrorzeit Appreciate that ❤️
@rachellydiab it is definitely a challenge to define something as authenticity but I want to make sure I understand your definition, because it felt like it was never explicitly stated and only implicit.
It seems to me that authenticity can only be original and good. In your segment of authenticity and authorship you talk about not very one is as good as Nolan or song like Beyonce, but that many people want to be like Nolan. Later in the video you said that we cringe at our earlier works due to cringe of how inauthentic and terrible our teenage writing is. But if I understood your view of authenticity correctly, it implies that original and good is authentic. But we have loads of example of what I would consider authentic that fails to meet those two criteria.
I would say The Room is authentic despite how terrible it is, I would call James Cameron's Avatar authentic despite how many easily recognizable sources inspired it. Both Nosferatu films are authentic despite the remake being a shot for shot remake. Writers like Emily Bronte was an authentic author despite spending most of her short life in isolation. Although I agree that outside of cinema inspiration is a great advice it isn't critical for making great works of art that is authentic. My fav Nolan film is Interstellar which took inspiration from cinema. In short I think your singing is authentic even if it isn't taylor swift level of talent. Also prob help with my case if I attempted a definition for authenticity instead of just disagree with yours.
@@UTubeMinistry Hello! No worries, I understand where you’re coming from. Explicitly speaking i don’t think that authenticity always equals ‘good’ work, obviously I do think it can be a factor, but as you’ve shown it can go either way. I know this isn’t a very helpful description bc its so intangible but the authenticity i’m speaking of is really just the feeling that something is truly coming from you (rather than an indicator of skill or even originality) - for me its a sense of creative peace and fulfilment.
When it comes to judging the authenticity of someone else’s work we can never really know, but i think originality is one of our best indicators. Again, not a helpful concrete description, but sometimes things just feel off and that’s what I’m attempting to describe throughout the vid 💐
@@rachellydiab thanks for the clarity. Ii haven't seen Immaculate but how you described it sounded familiar to how people describe their experience with Zack Snyder's recent films. I agree with you, in both case whether it's immaculate or rebel moon, two stories that are derivative and lack the depth of their inspired sources, there is something off. I am not sure if authenticity is the word I would use to describe why they are off. But your right that whatever it is can prove insightful for artists to learn from and make better works of art!
I will rewatch your vid (for a third time) with your explicitly stated definition of authenticity for new insight of your vid!
The whole 'American girl goes to Europe to follow her vocation, sees a girl running away, befriends another girl, then defeats the Evil living in the place she is in" basically is Suspiria, but with nuns instead of ballerinas.
True!!
Just some perspective from a screenwriter here: to get movies "greenlit" / sell a script you often have to write something that is comparable to other films that are successful in the genre. What you mentioned - "It's Suspiria but with nuns" - was probably quite literally the pitch. This is typically why you find many films that resemble other films in Hollywood. Your movie has to be kind of like other movies, but also kind of new, but not TOO new. It's a risk-averse industry that is *usually* going to say NO to films that differ too much from the norm. Not that it can't be done. It's just hard.
@@NicolasCurcioWriter I agree that "Suspiria but with nuns" was the actual pitch, and I understand the risk aversion strategy of producing companies. But sometimes movies are literally carbon copies of other movies, and this is where the feeling of insincerity discussed in the video creeps in.
it has the same shit as the "The First Omen" thats just lazy writing and directing tbh
also Don't Worry Darling in a way, except the Europe part
I agree that Cecilia should've initially been ecstatic, but I'd argue the underlying message would be conveyed better if she looked grateful/happy to others while being disgusted at what's happening to her and couldn't explain why. Unwanted pregnancy as a religious person is very traumatic. Even in cases like SA/CSA people would still call it a blessing. There should be more push and pull with her, especially since she's in an oppressive environment and being able to play the part/pretend that you agree with certain doctrines is how you ensure survival in IRL religious community.
Cecilia should've known since the beginning, feel lukewarm/all right w/ the concept or she could be excited but then feels like the pregnancy was a violation. It could be about her not only trying to run away but figuring out why she feels like she has to. Why she feels betrayed by her people, her own body, God. It could be about her trying to survive by pretending while trying to make sense of her situation. The unwanted pregnancy trauma could run so much deeper in religious community bc the violation fundamentally alters her. Faith and being is entwined after all. This concept should've really gone the psychological route
that would've been so good
Fully agree! I just want to add that having her act happy when she isn't with the pregnancy can be relatable even outside of religion OR unwanted pregnancy! I have a very wanted and very planned pregnancy, but even still I am miserable and I hate it, but everyone expects me to be excited and happy and feel beautiful. Its truly so hard and isolating to be expected to enjoy an experience that changes your body so much. Makes you feel like your feelings and your appearance is unrecognizable to yourself. There is SO MUCH that can be explored with the horror of pregnancy and how isolating it can feel when you don't agree with how people see you
I saw this film and The First Omen on the same day, and I think a big difference between the two is that a lot of the nonsensical moments in this film only happen “because it’s scary”, moments that people can talk about on their way back to the car but don’t really stand up under scrutiny
Sadly, at the end of the day, all they care about is a check.They're hashing out these movies because of how bad the economy is to stay afloat.
I was thinking of The First Omen the whole video. It had a lit of potential but unfortunately I think it fumbled for similar reasons as Immaculate: needing a twist so badly that it undermines its narrative, homage for the sake of homage (in this case it's more understandable because it is a prequel after all), and choosing an ending for #girlboss reasons.
The little girl red herring character wasn't all that necessary narratively and her inclusion seems to be just a poor attempt to throw the audience off the scent that the main character is the child of Satan. It's super obvious that she is before we ever even meet the girl.
Some of the homage was done very well, the opening scene in particular, but some definitely felt included because it's an Omen movie. The "it's all for you" scene has barely any impact on the story and could have been replaced by any strange or spooky event. A nun dramatically dies in front of all these children but the next time we see said children they're... on a field trip... as if the extremely traumatic thing that happened before their eyes never happened at all.
And lastly I liked the main character quite a bit up until the very end. She was kind, warm hearted, empathetic but also strong willed and devout. The lead actress did a very good job and unlike Immaculate they have her face get child, have her contemplate the unthinkable, and then she fails to do what is necessary. She then gets easily overpowered. This all felt very true to her character. And then the credits roll, you think it's over, only to fade back into the narrative and now she somehow transported herself, her baby, and this tween into some secluded cabin in the woods. She's now this gun toting badass who has the survival skills and steely nerve of an elite soldier. They made her into Sarah Connor, basically, without doing any of the work to get her from A to B, from terrified and clueless everywoman to a calculating survivalist, because that would make a good sequel if they end up greenlighting one.
In the end I thought the First Omen was spectacular in short bursts but failed as a whole, likely because the studio wanted a blockbuster to reboot their franchise more than a compelling horror film.
@@benjamintillema3572I like your opinion as it totally makes sense! I think Anjelica burning herself is rather more than just a homage scene-as we all know, bad things happen around the child of Satan and since Damien was in Margaret's tummy, Anjelica lit herself on fire just like in the original.
For the ending, I don't think the movie needed to be any longer and actually show how Margaret transformed into a badass and moved to a secluded cabin. I think she just has the gun for protection, and the woman HAS dealt with demonic entities which may have made her stronger!
@@benjamintillema3572I loved The First Omen though and the mc too! I'm sad you didn't like it. What are some of your fav horror films?
Do you think First Omen would have been good had they left out the last scene then?
II saw this italian movie that came out one year prior to Immaculate called "Deliver Us" which is the exact SAME premise, but the nun is pregnant of twins (with one evil and one good), playing more with the idea of the anti-christ.. the nun actually wanting it, feeling she's chosen and the movie being a slow descent to hell, with the priest acting as the conscience.
Oh! I’m checking this out
Oh crazy! I’ve seen the poster hahah but i didn’t look into - would u recommend?
@@rachellydiab I think it's better... it was too scary for me tho haha, it's giving very much horror.. I realize I don't like the idea of pregnancy-horror and, just in general, spiritual-horror (it's too close of what I care about). But I think you would be much more satisfied with the suspense, although it is a slow built.
Which in itself is kinda the plot of Blue Exorcist
That movie made my skin crawl and I was wondering why this movie sounded so familiar 😂
I really like the movie Alien as a pregnancy horror film. Finally the men can fear an unwanted creation growing inside them.
I never thought about it like that but yeah.
i legit searched "alien birth scene" to find the "chest burster" scene
One of the scariest scene I have ever seen.
18:08 as someone terrified of pregnancy and what it does etc I think it makes for GREAT body horror
A lot of things our bodies do naturally make for some amazing body horror it’s a shame people don’t tap into more
Yeah, the original body horror is pregnancy, lol. The things the body will do to itself in real life is crazy, like food allergies and even the eyes and body having different immune systems (which means if the body immune system finds the eyes, it'll attack them and you'll go blind) all the way to hallucinations and sleep paralysis.
@@astraamarante6233 oh yeah I wasn’t even touching on your system killing you, I was just touching on how gross the body functions are
But what you say is even more terrifying
Nature provides the best inspo for body horror lol
Despite it being somewhat quirky and campy, Baby blood is a good one if you dig Womb Horror.
Or cancer. Untreated cancer is such a horrifying distortion of the body...
Bloodborne is a great example of female-oriented horror. It takes the themes of blood, pregnancy, and motherhood as concepts and takes them to gruesome and mythologic extremes. Highly recommend.
I like the discussion where you reach a point as an artist where you recognize that authenticity is important, so you just arbitrarily pick parts of your life you think could make a story interesting and shoving them in there, assuming that's what authenticity is.
There's a whole plotline in the show Bojack Horseman about that, where one of the characters (Diane) tries to write a book of essays about how terrible her childhood was, but has trouble writing anything at all. And while procrastinating, she writes a series of silly middle grade detective novels. She struggles with this, because she really wants to write this serious book about her trauma because she thinks that's what she NEEDS to do with her trauma, but it turns out the kid detective books are what she actually needs to write in the moment.
Sometimes the types of stories that you need to tell aren't the ones you think, and once you stop thinking of yourself as a "big serious artist" and instead just focus on what you want to make, it becomes more authentic imo
Great point!
I was kind of confused why the priest would so openly and directly tell Cecilia about the genetic engineering. If Cecilia and everyone else knows it's not an act of God then what's the point? None of the characters are fooled. I wish it went more into how a cult-like dynamic would work to instill blind faith and get the other nuns to deny the scientific proof of what happened. In that case, it would create conflict and tension when Cecilia gathers evidence on her own and her peers don't believe her. I think something like that would be a stronger commentary on how the church treats SA victims.
Right it should’ve been a smaller amount of ppl who knew what was actually going on. I can understand the head nuns and priest knowing the reality but the rest of the nuns should not have known. That would also give more reason as to why it seemed like the girl who jumped from the roof didn’t do that herself. Maybe she’s gotten too much information in trying to figure out how to give birth to God’s child and then someone has to stop her
The Immaculate Conception and the Virgjn Birth are different things. The IC refers to Mary being conceived by her parents free of Original Sin, but in the ordinary human fashion. In that sense, a virgin mother who is not Mary herself wouldn't be "immaculate," just a virgin.
Hollywood never gets it right.
Sadly, I have met Catholics who don’t know the difference either.
As a Christian (not Catholic) i always thought it strange to think of Mary as "immaculate" and sinless since thats sort of her son's thing, i feel as though its more meaninful for Mary to be an ordinary girl who followed God's commands. Idk
@@luthientinuviel3883 it's not that she was sinless but she was born without original sin cause by Adam and Eve in the garden, thus allowing Jesus to be born human and without orginal sin as well
@@InternetsPedestrian I see! I don't really agree with that interpretation personally but it makes sense!
@@luthientinuviel3883 are you critiquing the plot of the bible right now? lmao
not being able to see the baby was SUCH a huge failure of the movie that when my friends and i finished watching it, we were all so visibly pissed off at missing out on the fucked up god baby.
only thing i can come up with is that the baby was so scary and horrifying that it being unknown creates more suspense. even so i don’t think the directors were smart enough to use that.
@@sp4cegrl27 i’m of the same mindset! as well as in agreement with exactly with you said at the end. i think not showing the horror can definitely be a wonderful part of horror itself but when the people creating the film can’t even create fear from something they won’t even show ? 🤷
I disagree absolutely. it was crucial that we did not see it.
@@sp4cegrl27I get what you mean, but the rest of the movie fell so flat and was so surface level, so it didn't work
it was necessary to the story and themes that the movie was telling that the baby was not seen. it further heightens the idea of is this actually supernatural or fucked up biology. judging by the sounds it makes it couldve been the antichrist or whatever it was they were trying to do or a normal, but dying child. We don't get to know. the others didn't either. after not having her autonomy in practically any part of the pregnancy beforehand, it felt necessary for her to have a moment (the only one) with her child that didnt have prying eyes. everyone around her wanted to see the child, see if their plan had finally worked. to me, the fact that we dont see the baby gives her some of her freedom and autonomy back. she didnt want any of this, so we dont get to see it, either. nearly a nod to the audience if you want to see it like that. Vital and amazing ending to me. very sorry you didnt see it as such
I really am so tired of the pregnancy horror that ends with not showing the baby. Because you can TELL the difference between a film that knows exactly what that baby represents and what it could look like but deliberately doesn't show the audience for a distinct reason and a movie that has seen other films do that and thought it was artsy so they did the same, WITHOUT considering what that baby truly represents and what it could look like, and instead only with the goal of having a gotcha moment where the audience is kept blind like it's so tired and lazy imo
17:38 - a real staple in pregnancy horror that very few people seem to acknowledge as such is Alien. The facehuggers and “forced and deadly birth” aspect, as well as male pregnancies, is a large part of what makes the alien scary…
Its far less conventional than most ‘pregnancy’ horror, but Id argue its a 10/10 for what its messaging and portrayal
I think Angels and Demons handled the 'woo science meets religion' aspect a lot better, when you find out that the main villain's motivation is because he was a child conceived by IVF by the film's former pope and a nun who did so because they loved each other deeply but didn't want to break their respective chastity vows; he views himself as an abomination because in his mind science was used to intervene in God's plans.
Wow, that’s actually powerful!
Wait, he thought they had broken their vows though? At least at first, he only found out that it was IVF later on.
I believe a lot of writers are unable to differentiate between different Christian denominations. Science used to intervene in God's plan sounds more like an issue for Evangelicalism than Catholicism. The Catholic Church does not oppose science and has been a patron of the Sciences. The idea of there being a conflict between the two is fairly recent and the only issue that it revolves on is Creationism which is from a very specific Christian denomination.
The issue about IVF for devout Catholics would be, "due to the massive destruction of embryonic life, the assault on the meaning of the conjugal act and the treatment of the child as a product not a gift." according to the NIH. Protestants on the other hand do not see IVF as an issue at all. This doesn't take into account how practicing or lenient Catholics will use IVF to have children due to infertility problems despite what the Church says. At the end of the day a lot of Roman Catholic imagery is used because of the aesthetics. It has a ritualistic and older quality to it that makes it look almost "pagan" to those who aren't used to older practices from an older time. It's going to get weird when you realize how alien past societies are to our modern ones.
the IDEA of immaculate and the basic synopsis on its own is pretty unique. Instead of some supernatural force being the main villain, it's just another human being trying to be his own god and subjecting nuns to his experimentation, rather than a demonic entity latching itself to a human host and invading a holy place of worship. It could have gone somewhere but instead it tried bringing in supernatural aspects that had no standing or reason for being in the film. So overall the movie wasn't very good, but the idea of biological horror was very different and i appreciate the attempt at trying to be different despite it falling flat.
The way you've worded this makes the priest character sound so much more interesting! They 100% could've put more of a focus on the playing god aspect - this was I also think he would've felt more like the key villain pulling the strings!
As someone who has been through the body horror, these movies never seem to grasp the truly terrifying things of pregnancy to me. Like, they show the fear of losing yourself, your life or your interests, but rarely as the daunting horror that you feel guilty about.
The body changes always feel the same as puberty is portrayed, when no one I've spoken with has made more than a passing connection. It almost never feels like a person who has experienced the horror has lived through it, or in some cases even seen it first hand.
Weirdly. Midsommar felt thematically quite close for me. The old ones dying at the start, being surrounded by people but feeling alone and vulnerable. Having people be weird and trying to connect with you in ways they wouldn't have previously. Or would do with someone not pregnant. Having your partner be rather unsure, unable or unwilling to help. And then everything climaxes and you want to die cause that was so hard but you are forced into joy because of the hormones that need you to forget everything and love that thing so you can do it again.
I dunno. I just never see that in film. It's always, look at all the blood and gross wiggling! Like, ok. I get periods, so blood is whatever and I saw Alien and The X-Files, so the thing explodes out of body is kinda old now. Give me brooding horror. Give me suspense and show all the ways pregnancy fucks with the chemicals in the brain. And don't have a man behind it all. Have it be all in the mind. Cause that's the scariest part. Have good support and a loving partner and shit. But then the chemicals in the brain just make the protagonist crazy. It happens.
But it would take good writing, asking (mostly) women about their experiences and caring enough to write them down and that would never happen.
Sorry for the rant. Just. Tired of something that should be educated about to help stop the unnecessary trauma and death being essentially a macguffin that scares people into not finding out things that could help them.
All of this is why pregnancy is my biggest fear, only behind death itself.
It always takes all my mental strength to even THINK the word, but I can talk about death without that same feeling.
I've always wanted to write an adaptation of that one movie with the evil blonde children that does something with the fact their moms woke up pregnant and were ok with it. That always felt glossed over.
We do not live in a political climate where "pregnancy makes woman go crazy despite the fact that everyone around her is actually awesome and supportive" would be either financially successful, or worth the backlash for whatever money it did make. The filmmaker and studio would absolutely be accused of making/releasing a misogynistic film playing into "hysterical woman" tropes... probably by this very channel.
i havent even seen 'immaculate' but i've been so touched by what you've said about authenticity in art, you speak with such purpose!
this comment touched me!! thank u 😌
Not to mention it was almost immediately outclassed in every way by the eerily similar film, The First Omen. I think the fact that the two films are SO similar proves your point that this one (and maybe both) are just an amalgamation of other--better--films.
Absolutely!! First Omen still references and draws on tropes but it’s so much more successful at contextually justifying its story beats/character actions. I looooved first omen.
There was a pregnancy based horror that I saw where the main character was a POC woman who was being held hostage by her mother in law. That one was pretty unique because it’s something that has actually happened in real life. MiL saying the baby is theirs and over stepping that familial boundary.
Kindred!
For a second I got these two mixed up and was confused on some of her points in this video lol😂
I watched this and it legitimately felt so odd, the pacing was so fast and I felt 0 attachment to the characters. It's bizarre and just felt scary to be scary.
Conspiracy that this film was written by AI is coming together nicely 😂
Honestly, a cobbled together plot that doesn't quite make sense because the elements don't really connect into a whole, plot elements from many different stories, many moments that are only there for the cool shot but don't actually contribute anything to the plot... I also jumped to "AI wrote this", because that makes sense.
While like. Yeah, that could be entirely possible.
I think it's important to remember people can just write poorly.
@@AnnekeOosterink The movie was already in production eight years ago, when she auditioned for it in 2014, but it never got made and the entire thing went nowhere. Sydney admitted to liking the screenplay, at the time written by Andrew Lobel, so much that she bought the rights to the story and reimagined it with a new group of writers, to make it fit with her persona now (since the original screenplay involved Sweeney playing a sixteen-year-old entering a Christian boarding school). This is no case of "This is so bad Ai must have written it", even because eight years ago Ai wasn't a thing and the film was already being done by the summer of 2023 and Ai took over around December-January of this year. It is the case of a movie, that if it had come out when it was supposed to people would have eaten it up even with all its plot holes but now that so many movies have already come out with the same premise and plot, it's no longer original and a bore for many. They obviously didn't rethink the story too much and that was their downfall. It's also a matter of Sydney producing the movie with very little resources and time causing a lot of things not to make sense. The movie is an hour and a half and that is clearly not enough to tell such a complex story. I bet if they had more resources, time, money, and a better writing team and if the movie had been a mini-series Immaculate would not have been so average after all.
Having not watched the film this genuinely sounds incredibly close to the plot of Silent Hill 3, and what happens to Cheryl
I have not played the games so I can’t compare but I have such a soft spot for the first Silent Hill movie 🥲
@@rachellydiabLOVE the first Silent Hill movie, flaws and all. Incredible atmosphere and scenes that have stayed with me for years.
I haven't watched this film either but I have watched playthroughs of Silent Hill 3 and I gotta agree it is a very similar concept! Silent Hill 3 definitely makes a lot more sense with how it handles Cheryl not wanting it bc she isn't remotely apart of the cult so of course she doesn't want to have a creepy ass baby for them, whereas Cecilia being a willing nun brings into question why she isn't down
That comment you made at the end really resonates (about how hard it is to make a movie), as I made a short film many years ago. In fact, a filmmaker makes three movies: The one we write, the one we shoot, and the one we cut and edit. To maintain a coherent, linear vision, from first word written to last cut of the film, is very, very tricky. Falling into the trap of contrived devices and derivative choices is easy to do.
Another film maker here, and I concur. Good post.
Oh! I absolutely loved that, doing three movies! Woah!
@@jezzarte3587 Thanks. Yeah, it's all a bit too much. That's why I just write and self-publish novels now.
What bothered me the most about Immaculate is that it's little more than convent horror, church horror; everything you fear about catholics without a lick of nuance or tension. Like, if you were raised catholic or went to a catholic school like me, you'll know these people are scary in a completely different way.
Plus the last scene? Ready or Not really wants it's homework back.
Yes, I've gone to Catholic school for eight years of my life, I even like to do research on Catholic history too, and the film felt like such a shallow representation of the church. There are so many parts of Catholic culture around the world that are traumatizing, intense, or beautiful that they could have tapped into, but it's very clear they did no research.
Also the fact that they used Papyrus Sans for the titles pissed me off even more 😂
As a woman, I’m of a similar mindset to you. I like when men take the time and effort to centre female leads in their work. Mike Flanagan with his horror series and David Lynch with Twin Peaks are my best examples. They introduced very real, very complicated and engaging yet flawed women who drew you in.
The fact that characters like Nell Crane and Laura Palmer are characters written and directed by men doesn’t diminish them, and certainly not the incredible actresses that play them.
Men can write women and women can write men. They should be encouraged to do so, to add to the conversation and continue to create…but there are times when it just doesn’t feel right.
For women, it’s when female authors create monstrous, toxic, absolute abhorrent male love interests like Edward Cullen and Christian Grey that you’re supposed to not only be attracted to but also side with and want to root for, despite how horrifying they are. For men, it’s female characters experiencing horror around assault, pregnancy and child rearing.
Technically there is no law that they can’t create these stories and write about them…but there is still a feeling of unease in the viewer anyway.
19:21 "with a group full of hooded loser standing over her" lmao
Omg I completely agree with all of your takes!! I watched Immaculate directly after watching First Omen which made it so much more disappointing. I totally felt like the writer/director did not have a true understanding of pregnancy. And I was sooooo disappointed that they made the baby sound like a monster and didn't even show it. It would've been so much better if you saw it look like a normal baby and she still kills it. It would've worked better with their pro-choice message.
I would really love to hear you talk about First Omen! It was so wild having two nun pregnancy horror movies come out at the same time and comparing them with my friends has been super fun
I didn’t watch first omen till after making this video but i LOVED it. I felt that it succeeded at everything immaculate failed at - bc u could dig into each aspect of the story/imagery and justify why it was happening!
I feel this way about 90% of possession/exorcism films. Everytime I see a trailer for a new one I get this distinct impression it was made as some type of essential "right of passage" by X newest up and coming horror director without much care to do anything other than get compared to The Exorcist. I can only take so many flashing clips of Catholic priests and sweaty greasy haired girls in nightgowns before my own eyes roll back in my head. Theres soo many cool unique thing horror could be doing with possession but producers would rather regurgitate the same iconography and people will just consume it like getting fast food when they dont know what to eat.
I will say this, as for the self unalivement, and please do not think that everyone who suffers this event feels the same way because every case is obviously different.
When people unalive themselves, sometimes they really are trying to send a message and sometimes they are not. It's not uncommon common for people to lose control and simply unalive themselves in the heat of the moment. This is why we have crisis call lines. All that said, it is not at all uncommon for friends and family to wonder for the rest of their lives..."why?" When you plan your death ahead of time, you may write a letter or "set the stage", or you may not be capable for whatever reason. And more often than not, what we find in those letters is a struggle that has been hidden for a long time, kept deeply secret from those who could have helped. And even if they DO tell you why they've done it, you wonder for the rest of your life, what else were they hiding? Did they not trust me? Did they think me incapable of helping? Did they feel unworthy of being helped? Why were they so focused on this one thing? Why could they not move past it?
Those who are left behind pay the price with guilt and rage and confusion and a sadness so deep that we don't bother trying to explain because no one who hasn't felt it will ever understand. It is impossible to communicate how deeply and completely this event changes us.
I guess this is my really long winded way of saying that I think the suicide in the film is pretty realistic. It's almost never cut and dry. You can't wrap it neatly with a pretty little bow. It's messy and confusing and no matter how many hours you put into explaining it, it will always be messy and confusing. There will always be questions left unanswered. We can't always find the "reason" someone's mental health deteriorates, and that is the scariest, hardest, nastiest part of it. "Why?" is a question I will ask myself for the rest of my life, but of course, movies don't last nearly as long.
I’m so sorry for your loss, and i think you have a beautiful way with words.
In a film when we only have a limited amount of time with characters, it's so important to flesh out their motivations and have their actions make sense. I felt the unalivement in the film was more for shock value. We didn't spend enough time to fully understand why she would make that decision. It just didn't really make sense.
Of course in real life things are much more complex. Two years ago I lost someone I loved and using your words "it is impossible to communicate how deeply and completely this event changes us" (beautifully said). I want to add it is also impossible to fully understand the reasons why a person would make that choice and you can destroy yourself wondering why. Moving forward is the hardest part, some days are easier than others, it ebbs and flows. It's sort of like an open wound that never heals, this raw pain you can always feel. *My advice, if you will read it, is not to blame yourself. Don't drown in guilt, it isn't what the person you love would have wanted.*
Whenever you are in this world, I hope you are healing. I'm sending you love 💖💖💖
Thank you for sharing your thoughts so poignantly.
Regarding the film specifically I don't personally feel that they grounded it enough to earn the real world context that you describe. I think the film attempts to give us a clean why, it's just a flimsy reason - but within the real world I completely understand your sentiment and really appreciate you for being so vulnerable here.
Thank you for watching x
@@rachellydiabThat is sort of my point though, it feels realistic to me because of how sudden and shocking it is. Most suicides seem to come out of nowhere and we don't necessarily see them coming. It's a horrendous shock to find out that someone was struggling so badly that they couldn't take it anymore. We assume people will just continue the fight forever because that's what's noble or whatever. Suicide is often seen as a coward's end; it's "wrong" or unnatural and there is no preparing for the shock of finding out someone made that choice.
That said I think I did get a bit swept up in the emotional aftermath in that comment, and you definitely have a point. It feels sort of like watching a movie when you've read the book - things make sense to you because you have more context than someone who didn't read the book. My background knowledge of that real world event doesn't necessarily mean the film did a good job for someone who hasn't experienced that event in real life, which is something you are more likely to notice when you go into the film with a critical eye, as you have. You also can have experienced that event and not be swept away in a film portrayal though, which I think is closer to your view of the film. So in a way I think we are both right. The movie didn't do a particularly good job, but I don't think they didn't do a particularly bad job either. The setup was definitely bad, but the aftermath is what feels real.
Anyway I love your videos, keep up the great work!
Why are you guys saying unalivement? Lol It's not tiktok you can say suicide
The fear and horror around pregnancy i feel is something which will only grow in the horror genre, tbh. Do i watch horror? No, I'm a chicken 😅 BUT i love your work and how you dissect these topics
Thank u Bryony! 💐
How to implement something you like as inspiration versus imitation is probably something every creative can relate to and I really like how you present that struggle here. Another perspective I really like actually comes from Night Mind. He made a series on how to make an ARG, and in one of the videos he talks about taking the thing you want to imitate and breaking it down to find what it is about that thing you’re drawn to. And then using those pieces in what you’re making. (The example he has of him doing this is very good too. I appreciate that he actually showed it was possible and what it could look like.)
Anyway, that’s always really stuck with me and regardless of the medium I always try find what about the inspiration I like and find new ways to implement them.
She should have devoured the baby, Saturn style. That could have saved the movie.
In all seriousness though, what is Sydney Sweeney’s agent doing? I haven’t seen Euphoria but know of it. I saw this movie where she played a tortured pianist who’s mentally going through it, and now this??
What a weird and/or uninformed take...? She's the executive producer and the ONLY reason the film was made, according to the director. She didn't make this movie with a gun on her head lol
I'm pretty sure it was implying they killed her for trying to go after Cecilia and just made it look like a suicide
I thought that too at first but watching it again she’s alone on the roof. I feel like they easily could’ve had her fall from a window and we see the red faces in the same window afterwards if they wanted to get across that it was orchestrated… So that makes me think it wasn’t…?
I’m probably biased a sex repulsed asexual, but an aspect of the premise of Immaculate that I think is wrought with horror potential and thoroughly unexamined by the movie is the conflict between the fact that nuns are chaste and sexless figures, people who choose to live lives of celibacy, and pregnancy is so inherently linked with sex and sexuality. Playing on this could have even made Cecilia not wanting the pregnancy feel justified and grounded in the setting. Imagine devoting your life to being chaste in the name of service to a higher power and then, at least to your knowledge, that higher power rewarding your service by forcing you to engage with the very thing you had given up. There is something so cosmically terrifying to me about the idea of a god punishing their worshippers in intimate and contradictory ways, and it works especially well for the sort of feminist pro-choice narrative the film seems to want to have, in the sense of a woman being betrayed and exploited by an authority figure, either mortal or divine, in ways that emphasize her ability to create life over her individuality and desires. There are so many angles from which to approach pregnancy horror, and yet we keep coming at it from the same handful of them, and it starts to make the whole subgenre feel stale.
religious horror movies are always funny to me because right from the get-go you have to buy the premise that the religion depicted in the movie is the CORRECT religion
I recommend the spanish horror comedy The Day of the Beast, 1995. Its a great deranged deconstructive take on religious horror
I dont really think thats true. In fact id say that a lot of religious horror would be considered to be "sacreligious". You dont have to subscribe to the events in a movie to be invested or interested in it. Id say most people probably dont believe in ghosts or aliens but those are a pretty big theme in horror movies. Id say most horror movies involve some supernatural force. If thats your view how do you enjoy horror as a genre at all? Horror doesnt always need to be realistic or fit your beliefs and it often times really isnt meant to. Id say theres really only a small sect of horror that falls under a more realistic umbrella like psychological horror or i guess some slasher horror though even most slashers have a supernatural element to them.
Also, filming this in front of the white wall and white door, with that subtle reddish black scrape on the door that looks uncannily like a blood smear.....nice.
"I wanna watch Rosemary's baby" "We have Rosemary's baby at home"
Rosemary's baby at home:
I know this is probably not important to the movie - but the immaculate conception did not refer to the birth of Jesus. The immaculate conception referred to the birth of Mary. Basically, Mary’s parents had sex but did not pass on original sin, thus making her conception ‘immaculate’. Mary being made pregnant with Jesus is called ‘the annunciation’.
Anyway, sorry about the pedantry.
I agree with everything you said. I wanted to love Immaculate. Maybe my expectations were too high for the film, but I was just left feeling, "Meh." Rosemary's Baby is still far more effective than Immaculate, and that movie is over 50 years old.
Also, I know Sydney Sweeney can act and that Immaculate was a film she fought to get made, but her performance in this film was so undercooked.
The convent: "You are going to have the second coming!"
Cecilia, "K..."
"they meow out of" 😂😂😂 i love it
It's "eat your cake and have it too". If you HAVE a cake and eat it. If you ate your cake, you can't have it. 😅
I admit that I never quite understood this expression, but the way you put it makes a lot of sense xD
Haven't seen the movie, but when I first heard about the red faced, evil cult people I thought it must be ceremonial, that they only wear those red tights when they were away from the public eye doing their thing.
I proceeded to burst into laughter when I saw them just casually hanging around 8:16, staring out windows in full view of anyone passing by.
a major plot hole for me (unless i am confused about something) is how somehow the staff at the convent knew that cecilia was pregnant before she did??? (i know that they put the baby there but i mean for story purposes.) they interrogated her about her “purity” and cec was COMPLETELY oblivious and blind-sighted by the fact that she was pregnant (besides the fact that she had been throwing up, but either way she was still unaware of her pregnancy) So why did she not question how they could have known about her pregnancy before she did?? i know that they already knew because they put the baby inside of her, but why did she not question how they could have known?? they gave themselves completely away and they could have EASILY written around it. it felt like they tried to rush past that scene to avoid the thought which is frustrating because that is LITERALLY the start of the actual plot. This is the moment. The reveal of the pregnancy, and they just walk up to her and tell her :( i hope this makes sense 🙏✨ it would have been more natural if she had maybe noticed a bump, had them examine it etc and then conclude it was a baby so that they could play dumb for the plot- but instead i feel the movie rushed it and hoped that nobody would question it.
I really wish this movie would have thought itself through more. It just felt like every moment of the story that was supposed to have impact was ruined by the fact that they didnt write a reason for it to happen. This movie was all fat and no connective tissue. I saw that you also (like me) preferred the first omen. In my opinion every scene of horror that happened in the first omen served an actual purpose besides just being a scene that needed to happen. It all added up. this movie was just a series of events and a shocker ending (which wasnt that groundbreaking in my opinion.) Even her performance during the birth scene which i had heard was AMAZING- was honestly mid. yeah she was screaming ig but imo she did not seem like she was in any actual labor pain. She was just kinda yelling???? i hope this comment makes sense lol sorry for typing so much and ty for making this video it was REALLY in depth and pointed out a lot of issues that i hadn’t considered 🙏 plz upload more reviews i will watch !!
Interesting thoughts! I would argue that everyone does have the potential to create masterpieces of art or film: But the thing that needs to be understood is that it’s a learned skill. People aren’t born with innate artistic talent, Whether it’s writing, film making, singing, drawing- It’s something that, if you want to be good at it, you have to practice and create and study the hell out of it. Your first few paintings or short films aren’t going to be masterpieces. If you’re a skilled writer who has spent years writing and learning how to convey themes and symbolism and messages and you truly understand what makes a good story, then you’ll be better at creating a film. I think you’re right in thinking that so many people think they can create masterpieces because they’re inspired by other works, but it’s often done by people who arent as experienced in filmmaking and the results may turn out poorer.
Maybe I’m being overly positive optimistic “anyone can create art!” But i do think that good art Can be made by anyone- You just have to invest months and years and years of time it takes to develop those creative skills and also have a real passion for what you’re creating.
I don't know. There's something to be said for trying to improve your craft and working on your strengths and weaknesses. It's up to a person to say "That's not for me", so I'm reluctant to advise anyone else "You just don't have it, stop trying", because so many creators that ended up being great and influential were first told no, or that their contributions were bad and they didn't have it. But also, where you're at in life and what your motivations are for writing or making something should be examined. Wait in the Wings has done some great videos looking at musicals that went wrong because they were trying to capitalize on the mega-musical trend of the 80s (including, appropriately, Carrie), and I think the same goes for horror movies like this one that are just pulling from what others are doing without anything new to say or add.
The First Omen really exceeded where Immaculate didn't imo 😭😭
You're the best film critique I've found on UA-cam. Keep up the amazing work queen ❤
Thank you sweet rabbit (-;
I devour, I mimic, I am but a reflection of what I have seen and sensed.
I shred and sever, and tear and trim all around me
to regurgitate it on a blank canvas I can call my own.
leaving not a drop that came from me.
I am a thief, of the greatest kind.
And a lier of the worst.
that's actually something I think about a lot when I make a painting or write something. where is this coming from?
years ago I started writing down my inspirations for different projects, what drove me to create this specific thing, what shredded bits did I steal to make this?
usually the lists are long. a dozen and more items, taken from art, from film, from feelings and insolents around me, from friends and strangers, and from stray thoughts and stories.
I live and create by the idea that not a thing under the sun is original. but that dosent mean its is bad. at the same time this video gave me some food for thought about things being derivative, if something needs to be done right now. and even if you want to tell the same story as someone else how do you Make it genuine to you?
good food for thought.
thanks for the video.
This outfit is EVERYTHING I love it and your hair and makeup so much!
thank u 🥰🥰
We've had immaculate's story like 3 times in American horror story (murder house, apocalypse, delicate, etc). It felt so tropey when the idea of an antichrist birth can open up so many creative ideas. They did nothing new in immaculate and left so much unexplored.
Edit: omg u mentioned ahs!! 🙏
I grew up in the church too, I remember when everyone had really amazing stories about salvation and having visions and saying prophetic things. It made me jealous of people who had suffered because they supposedly had more of a special way of coming to god. I remember i wanted some sadness or some intense ness in my life, so i often fabricated it. I still don’t know what I feel about god, but these days I’m more ok with being just ok at things.
I definitely have some bad writing I did in middle school and highschool that stemmed from me wanting to be good at writing even though I don’t think my heart was in it. I’m a painter now, I went to school for it and I still struggle a lot but at least my heart is in it, I believe in it. And I want to be authentic while doing it. To not be the idea of what a painter is, but to just be a person, a person who happens to paint and has the desire to be honest through it.
11:28 I just want to point out as an Italian that Isabelle during that scene also shouted out "Ci devo riprovare con me" which means "They have to try again with me" so Isabelle knew everything not because she had a suspicion but because she too had been in Cecilia's shoes, as in, she too tried to carry the baby, but more than likely ultimately failed to either conceive it or miscarried it, which made Father Tedeschi move on on his next lab subject, in this case, Cecilia, and that is the reason why Isabelle is so cold to Cecilia when she arrives, she knows that they will try it with her and if she succeeds all the hard work that Isabelle has done to birth God come again will go in vain because of Cecilia. At first, she tries to persuade it by telling her all about the hardships of the convent, as if concerned for her, but when Cecilia does not relent she grows cold again towards her. She then seems calmer about the situation when Cecilia does not show any sign of a pregnancy only for her rage and hatred to come back when it's announced that she actually is, leading to her trying to take Cecilia's life with her bare hands, thinking that if she gets rid of both Cecilia and the baby they will find someone else for the job or perhaps come back to her and have her try to conceive again. She gets carried away, probably put under Tedeschi's care when he hears of Isabelle trying to harm Cecilia, and more than likely gets tortured by him and has her die for it.
Did she kill the baby as an act of autonomy that the forced pregnancy had robbed her of or just because it turned out to be a demon baby? I thought it was the latter and thus didn't need to see the baby because 1) my imagination would probably churn out something creepier than they could come up with, and 2) the implication of stripping the humanity from real life "ugly" (obviously not demonic but perhaps disabled and/or with birth defects) babies would bother me.
this was such a good video !! also, I loved the drag race segment. horror and drag race, my two beloveds mixing haha. keep up the great work !!
Mine too hahah, thank you 🌹
Honestly, I think Abigail did the homage/copy aspect pretty well. The whole movie is so over the top and only selectively takes itself seriously that it's just an all around good time. And if it ever comes out on DVD (I know, not likely), I'm getting it.
I got Cecilia because I myself was a victim of forced motherhood
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My Queen please inspire me further
Regarding the point that other religious fanatics would’ve been enthusiastic about being a test subject, my theory is that they’d done enough experiments that failed, he started filtering by subjects who experienced a sort of “divine intervention”. Remember, Cecilia survived the drowning (?) accident as a child and he considered her touched by God/a miracle because she survived against all odds.
I think that’s definitely what the film was saying! It just didn’t work for me as a reason to keep her in the dark - i still believe there are other people who showed various signs of divinity who would’ve volunteered willingly! But yes 100% think this what the filmmakers were going for (-:
Ok so everything this movie did wrong there is a fantastic film called the first omen that does pregnancy horror so much better and I would love to see you cover it please ❤❤❤
The First Omen was much better for sure but still extremely derivative I mean it's literally a prequel
Yes it's been on my list a little while, just waiting to get a good copy of it! Thank you 💓
I think it's a strange to make not one but three nun conception movies in short amount of time. I believe that it's a tenuous connection to be using the art and themes of the 1970s without looking at the modern world and seeing what ways you can modernise your film.
To be exact in my point, immaculate, deliver us and the first omen seem to be films about reproductive rights and the seeming roll back of female agency of their own bodies. Instead of using modern themes on why this is happening they use the tired tropes of the Catholic Church against women even though the landscape has changed.
If film has nothing to say that is outside of Rosemary's baby at home then maybe they should not be talking at all.
Great analysis as usual 🙌 i feel this video was a cosmic callout tho 😭 I've currently been working on sketching ideas and sewing pieces in an effort to create my own wardobe. I have all these screenshots of inspiration but i want to make sure its not an imitation of someone else's work. I've been so conscious of wanting to create something authentic to me and original ugh. i have a yard of fabric in front of me so ig its back to my sketch pad lmao
I'm actually exactly the same with sewing!! My inspo folder is vast but I find it really hard to translate it into anything other than a copy. But starting with imitations isn't always a bad idea because as u perfect some of the technical stuff it might bring you to the point where ur having ur own brill ideas 🧚♂🧚♂
Sewing isn't really similar though I mean pattern books are a thing for a reason.
Sometimes being unoriginal is more authentic. I've definitely found that just working out what inspired you and what you liked about it can get you out of writer's block while all my best truly original ideas are unworkable.
Loved your whole discussion of authenticity and how, no, not everyone has it in them.
Thank you!
Inspiration vs imitation. I think that sums up the problem. Just doing the ‘what’ instead of the ‘why’. You want to be inspired and create your own work channeling the feelings it gave you. You don’t want to imitate and say “they did this to make me feel that”, so I’ll do the same thing. Ask why you felt that way or how the feeling helped the story and find your own way to create that feeling. Inspiration not imitation, it’s something NightMind talks about on his UA-cam channel for webseries.
absolutely love the sentiment you shared about authenticity in art in this video, i feel like nobody wants to cause offense so it feels like we're not allowed to have proper critical discussion about this. what you said about the fincher dudes in film school is so true lol and these types of people exist in all areas of art. this is what most ai bros are literally. also i think that saint scene in this movie exists solely because the director or whoever saw sydney in euphoria crying with those roses in the bg and thought that would make a cool scene in a movie like this.
First time viewer & totally unrelated but I love your outfit!!
I'm obsessed with your videos! Would you consdier doing a Q&A about your faves etc?
Thank you! Probably not eek but I share a lot of stuff on letterboxd and mostly focus my vids on movies i rlly love ❤️
as someone who feels uncomfortable and hates the concept of pregnancy in general i could never watch movies such as this, because i just can't stand the visuals related to pregnancy and/or it being explicitly shown at times. pregnancy was always a fear of mine 😭
That's an amazing video movie aside! Alot of great point
This was really good. I definitely enjoy reviews and in-depth critiques of horror movies especially and I really enjoy girl reviewers because they often have very different nuances to their takes than a lot of guys who review the same films, and I love having that additional perspective, especially for horror movies like this that feature topics so central to the feminine experience. I really enjoyed your critique and breakdown of the film and the filmmaking process as well.
The bit where you discuss trying to write music and deciding you don't have that drive or push to say something like the artists you admire really resonated with me. I've been questioning my authenticity and the right to call myself an artist. But after thinking on what you've said, I do believe I have a fire in me. I have things to say, art that is desperate to leap from my head to the page. Thanks for giving me a life raft in this moment of self doubt
I enjoyed the video despite not having seen Immaculate and I mostly agreed with your thoughts on authenticity. It certainly gave me some things to reflect on.
I did take issue with the notion at 13:55 "...that we don't all have it in us" because we are all capable of being authentic and creating or doing something well. If I understood your argument correctly, then the issue of derivation, emulation, copying, etc lies more in the creators own lack of understanding as to why a scene was impactful, memorable, etc. However, I think you've equated the lack of understanding with the lack of "it" at least at that timestamp.
The creators are capable of comprehending, reflecting, and understanding themselves, the works they enjoy, and the works they envision. They have the possibility, with work and effort, to make something at least good if not great. (Side note: I think this is where critique is most useful to understanding where a piece of work falls short in doing whatever it was trying to do and where it might have been more successful in that endeavor.) I think these things make that "it"(or at least are contributors), but it's not something necessarily innate which the phrasing implies.
_As a society_, I think we tend to assign talent, greatness after the acclaimed thing was created or done and then falsely assign that greatness or talent to having always been present and not something that had to be planted, tended, and grown because we only saw the end result. And I think the statement at 13:55 is a consequence of that mentality which can easily become "well why do x if I'm not already great" or "if I'm lacking fundamentally". (note: I don't think that the latter is what you meant, but it seems to give way to these kinds of follow-up thoughts)
Following it, you use the example of why you aren't a songwriter and consequently not a singer, despite enjoying singing, because you felt you were only copying, only sounding like the musicians you listened to the most. I understood "it" in this case to be the lack of the ability to express yourself authentically. However, I think the same mistake I attempted to describe above is made. It's not that you can't as much as you haven't yet. You can seek out ways to practice and analyze yourself and the music you enjoy to make music you feel reach your standards of authenticity and whatever else. There are of course other factors that go into stopping something like enjoyment, money, time, responsibility, etc but I don't think an innate lacking is one. And I apologize if I worded that poorly as I don't want to tell you what to do or undermine your agency nor do I know your life at all, so if it had come off as offensive or hostile or otherwise please let me know, so I can try to do better.
I think understanding the medium and how others have used it is critical in being able to tell an authentic or genuine story. I don't think that it is tied to something innately, so much as having the time and willpower to explore yourself and the limits and the potential of the medium to tell that story well.
I'm about halfway through and I like the film critique so far, but I just have to say that I don't agree with your points about authenticity at all.
I really don't like this way of thinking, that artistic genius can only come from people who are innately talented, 1) because it diminishes the hard work that a lot of these people have put into their craft to refine it and get better at it, but 2) and more importantly, because it discourages people from WANTING to put in the work at all. Like, I started to crochet during the pandemic, and at first I was shit at it, but then I practiced more and more and got better, because I really wanted to be able to crochet. That's not because I have some innate ability or talent for fibre arts, or because there was a special fire burning inside of me to push me to crochet that other people don't have. Likewise, I don't know you, but I'm reasonably certain that if you had really wanted to be a songwriter, you could have taken steps to practice and refine your writing. Obviously some people might have some form of inherent talent or passion for something that makes it easier for them to pick up a certain skill, but imo it's just dangerous to imply that we should leave the arts to those of us who are blessed with talent and passion, because us normies just can't even hope to get on their level.
I also don't agree that authenticity has to do with the author's intention behind a piece, we as an audience have no way of knowing that. The moment a piece of art is consumed by someone else the author doesn't have a monopoly on its interpretation anymore. Film is an inherently communicative medium, and its meaning arises in communication with its consumer. One movie can have vastly different interpretations and meanings depending on who is watching it, and imo the author really doesn't play any role in that process, or at least they shouldn't.
Maybe it’s not clear in the video but I’m not saying people shouldn’t develop their skills or put effort into learning. Not at all. In my eyes that’s a matter of ability - rather than authenticity.
At the end of the day it’s a personal argument and it won’t resonate with everyone - I just know for me there was a huge shift in the work i created when I started asking myself where my ideas really came from. That also
doesn’t mean everything needs to be deep and personal, it doesn’t! But i think a lot of us put on a parade for ourselves that we’re creating something meaningful when we aren’t.
Thanks for watching 💐
the things hanging on the door match your clothes' colors perfectly 💯
Girl On Film: Have you ever watched a movie?
Me: No
GOF: Oh…ok.
*awkwardly stare at each other*
GOF: OK BYE!
🙋🏼♂️ 😂
this is the type of intellectual dialogue I'm hoping to start 🤡
@@rachellydiab I did love the vid btw! Specifically the ending with all the existential questions about why do we do things. Because we copy things seen in films or because we’re actually living them! I do that a lot. Too often. And it has caused quite a lot of depressive breakdowns throughout my life once I realise that life will just never be as good or easy or well structured or satisfying as in the movies! Take care 👉👈
@@tornapart I'm very similar! Slowly detaching and figuring out to be happy without a lens. Glad you enjoyed 💓
I must have been even more of an isolated loner at film school than I thought because I didn't know anyone who wanted to make the next Seven.
Only even remember like five times someone even mentioned liking a film or a director, which must be at least 1/2 conversation about film for every short film I've worked on.
Not that I even watch movies.
Thank you for this lol was expecting a movie review but left rethinking my relationship with my writing and art and whether i am just copying other things or being inspired by them and may be stuck in my novel because my inspiration scares me, the unknown of it because it is not what others are doing and i feel like i have been told since i was a kid if others are not doing it then its wrong. Write what you know to write whatever you want always pushed and pulled i had really been questioning myself and my art. IFor me my writing and art have always just come out of me, it was not something i looked for actively but poured out the moment it came to me to the point of obsession learning everything i could about the subject then creating a project and mostly completing them(thanks to my 11th grade art teacher showing me this process) and have always been inspired by random things and created my own versions and now i wonder is it really just inspiration or copying? It's hard to tell now. A recent project i did was i got into videos about stained glass and it was mothers day and my mom likes chickens so i used mosaic glass to create my own rainbowy chicken having referenced a ton of different examples from Pinterest and my limited budget and experience forced me to create something new but i wonder if i had had the money would i just have copied it? So many questions now!! Sorry for the long post but you really have me thinking thanks!
I just watched the Tarot movie in the cinema. Hoped it would be a so-bad-its-good-eperience. But holy crap. I was not aware, that it is possible to create something so unoriginal, so free of just one single own idea or even just a frame. One original frame. The movie industry truely is in a dire state.
sometimes i get confused with remembering which storyline belongs on first omen and which to immaculate. i rewatched both and i was wondering what happened to a scene, then only realizing it's on the other movie lol
within the first thirty seconds, you’re already SO much more correct than i expected. i don’t even watch much horror, but i saw every clip shown and thought “wait, i HAVE seen that somewhere !!” it’s actually insane how exact of a copy it is?? even though??? what is it exactly???
I’ve never seen one of your videos and I know this isn’t the point but I just wanted to say your outfit is so cute🥰
Love the Indepth discussion and the passion you put into it. Just found your channel and subscribed. You mentioned your love for American Horror Story: Murder house. I'd love to hear your thoughts on AHS: Freak Show. I absolutely love that season and have watched it multiple times.
I’m actually rewatching Freak Show at the moment! I didn’t enjoy it when it first came out - and i think I’ve identified that as lacking a lead who felt warm and relatable - but I’m really enjoying it this time around and seeing so much of Murphys reverence the genre classics in it! So yes, it gets a big tick from me now 💐
You called us out, and I thank you for that.
I think it would have been really cool if we were made to believe, alongside Cecilia, that there were supernatural stuff behind everything so we could find out that it was actually scientific all along. Also, yes, her being happy with the situation and later understanding it was not a miracle but an act of abuse leading to her ending the child would have been amazing.
Headcanon: Those girls are mad bcoz they already went through childbirth and gave life to squished cantaloupes
I appreciate what you say about some people just have the talent and burning desire to create something... Most people would say with practice you can do anything (maybe out of optimism or politeness). Maybe we can be "good" with practice, but I've always believed that only a talented few can be truly "great". Mostly because I wanted to be great, but I couldn't.
Me too my friend 😌
But should creativity really be about being "great"? It's a myth that only some people can be creative - true, only some have natural talent, but for most, talent is not enough to be "great". I think anyone can be creative, but not everyone can or should make a career out of it. And we do need to draw from multiple sources, not just other films, and put things together in novel ways rather than just copying shots and beats we've seen work before.
I love your take
Your outfit is cute as hell! You look stunning! ♥️
aaah thank you 🌹
I think the reason they don't use someone who wants to have the baby specifically is because they have tried that. Isabel yes, but lots of others before hand. As dumb as it is, they really think the main girl having visions and surviving something by chance as a child is a sign. Also maybe because she is so dead set on staying virginal/ie not ever leaving the convent, they thought her more 'pure'. Yucky mindset, but probably something like that.
The reason we don’t see the baby at the end is because that’s not what’s important. Plus our imaginations do a better job at imagining something truly horrifying
I can understand their intentions, for me it just didn't translate into a successful sequence!
The disclaimer to the creator is too sweet 😊
love the outfit! it’s giving little tudor boy in the best way & i neeeed to know where the dress is from
i relate to this so much! i just finished art school and it was a miserable experience, and ao im really trying to find my own creative voice and style after having to please my very vindictive teachers for months 😭 amen for authenticity!
I think something that should be considered about the director & writer being male take is Sydney being a producer and show runner of this movie. I wonder what input she specifically had on it
I agree, a lot of those elements that they added for suspense and i guess shock factor made little sense with the plot and just felt pointless. It ended up not even feeling scary but just a bad situation to be in.
The best part of Immaculate is when it ends and you go watch Huesera (The Bone Woman) instead.
Love your videos! Which video did you have to take down? Just use code if your not allowed to specifically name it...
loved this!! i was so extremely disappointed and dissatisfied when i didn’t get to see the baby!!! even if it’s a healthy baby just show it lol
I find the discussion of authenticity so close to home. I’ve tried to reduce my content consumption as i feel it makes me lazy as an artist/designer, how much am I actually inspired and how much do I want to just do something that I think people will like? But then I spiral about if I am actually a creative person or not aghhh
But I agree on all the hits you made at this film. As I was watching it I could see all the shots that were made for turning heads or to scare, I felt like the film lacked any real depth in its perspective, by the end of the film I wonder if Cecilia was actually that religious at all (you’d think she was because she travelled all the way from the US) and it was very evident when I saw it was written and directed by men as to why it lacked depth. It’s a shame because I think it could’ve been really good.
i didn't expect a drag race reference but i loved it
you are a fashion icon 2 me
She really ate with the black mini, white lace long sleeve and blood red tights 😩 giving very much vampire schoolgirl 😂😍
You guys 🥲