As a gamma type I always hatted relating our quradra with the word "work". This is because most people associate work with stability, repetitive action or the 9 to 5 lifestyle. This is more true for the Si ego types within the delta and alpha quradra. Deltas are probably the hardest working types. A better word I would use for gamma types is endeavors or enterprisers.
So true. I was debating in my head how to word this because I know what you’re saying. Although, I do think that “work” in the truest sense IS gamma. Because if you really listen to the delta/alpha types, work is usually done only in exchange for more possibilities, such as stability, ambition, status, social harmony, etc. If nothing came from working, they would usually prefer a world where money and work didn’t exist (or something like this. Lol.) So maybe with the gammas, there is an emphasis on “work” because they devalue Si, and value Se. They actually value the experience of engaging hands-on with their environment. And endeavors sounds right. I did hesitate to say anything along the lines of entrepreneurs for the gammas, only because there are just as many delta entrepreneurs nowadays, especially with the rise of online businesses. Online businesses/remote work is perfect for the delta quadrant.
@@beatofmyown I kind of get what you're saying, but I also know that LSE and SLI are the hardest, lasting, and more reliable working types than the SEE and ESI. And this is because delta values Si The SEE will go through five jobs before the SLI's one. If you ask yourself between the SEE and SLI which type you want running your wearhouse, the best answer will always be the SLI. Se is about taking action, physical initiative, and force, but not stability and predictability. The Si qualities are more suited for work than Se. This explains why historically why the Si ego types were better farmers and Se ego types protectors/warriors.
@@faytwind3913 I see what you’re saying. From my observations, although delta STs ARE more reliable, their reliability is somewhat contingent upon the clarity of structure and future that is set in place for them. If there is no structure or clear future set out for them, they can either end up drowning in the sea of possibilities, or they may invest in more information-gathering to make certain they have the best chances of survival. I think this is one of the reasons that make the deltas an aristocratic Quadra. And in these situations, it may be tempting for the gamma type to lay down some harsh judgments. “Just do it.” Of course, as you may have hinted at, the irony of the gamma types is that the “just do it” mentality doesn’t necessarily mean there is going to be more QUALITY in what they do. I’ve observed that the gamma types are usually the first one to clock out, as soon as the time comes. Or they may close up shop if they met their goal early on, without considering that maybe they should stay open to allow for maximum potential. Not the most reliable Quadra, slightly unpredictable, but maybe better at mobilizing when there IS no template. Enterprisers.
@@beatofmyown Understandable, but I'll say that most jobs do have structure and set rules that must be followed. There probably should be added values to differentiate between the sensors and the intuitives within the quradras. For example the delta NPs should be more associated with "creativity" and the SJs with "dutifulness". With both admiring and drawn to each other's strengths. I'm more in favor of getting rid of the word "work" because of how vague it is.
This is great! Agree with everything. Te & Se is a combo that gives off that no-nonsense "just do it" attitude, while Fi & Ni gives that push to be the best version they can be. It all adds to having that inner sense of FOMO/YOLO while seeking for those flow state experiences. While everyone can experience that, gamma types take that more seriously.
It's true but it's about the static/dynamic dichotomy, not a Se/Ni dilemma. It applies to Fe/Ti, Te/Fi and Ne/Si as well. Dynamics are people of time, statics are people of space.
“It’s one thing to relate, it’s another thing to live it.” I was very guilty of this in the first few years of my time in typology. It’s why I am searching for my real type now- because I have too often typed myself based on relation rather than reality
girl, you are ON POINT! Most ENTJ videos have been very much just catch-phrase after catch-phrase. I love your insight! Like you know me fr hahaa. Never heard someone point out these things. Really appreciate your ENTJ content!
I think gamma quadra can tolerate intense experiences because Ni and Fi are really calm and strong functions; there is also a strong love and a sense of meaning that are very motivating for external interactions.
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend. I said to him "I don't care about the journey, only the results." I feel restless without having goals or visible progression. I can't "relax" the way most people do. Being productive is my way of having peace of mind. To me, there really is only the objective, regardless how strenuous it may be. There is a need to "push forward," and it is never satiated.
My brother and boss are both ISFPs (Fi-S) . One of the things that bug me being an ESTJ is their blatant disregard for Si and Ne. I really don't understand how the Gamma Quadra is able to just assume that they are the pinnacle of research and development. Any information that I provide to either of them is only accepted as long as it fits the precise mold of their predetermined lens of trajectory. My mother is likewise an INTJ (Ni-T) and she is quite a bit better (without blind spot Ne). But the main issue I run into with Gamma's isn't over comfort necessarily (I'm Delta btw) it's about informational relevancy. It always seems like I can't talk about something that interests me solely because it interests me. I do enjoy seeing how pieces of information across time and space link up and how we can construct and remold thought to be more efficient and fun. But there have been many times where I've spoken to my Gamma relatives and they just have an unspoken prerequisite that "Whatever you say to me should be immediately applicable to my situation or help me with my goals, otherwise don't bother". It boggles my mind at how little they actually explore the nebulas realm of their own intuition and instead seem to guard it so carefully. It's like they have this precious red gemstone that could easily be shattered by a gust of wind from a random direction, so they must shield it and reinforce it with physical *concrete* experiences.
More gamma Quadra videos! This was good. I really liked the honesty. Although, I’m not very money hungry but I do like finer things and I was younger I would rather eat less fancy but I will buy expensive stuff because it usually afforded me a sense of being better/being more important than others. I’m an Entj and I like being at the top and being number 1. If I’m not number one, I don’t like anything around me. Also, gamma Quadras are one of the most malicious people out there(just had to be said) with entjs being least malicious type unless you actively sabotage us. I think it has something to do with Fi holding resentments and taking slights when nobody meant it.
Very interesting; looking forward to your videos on beta and delta (as an NFP). Yeah, the work issue…..which some of us secretly call the “curse of the necessity to work”. Ever since I was a kid, I’ve questioned (again “in secret”) the whole work ethic, and fantasized about a utopian society where robots do all the boring jobs and provide (thru their labor) enough resources for everyone to get a Universal Basic Income (UBI). Which, in turn, frees everyone from the need to work for survival……frees people to find and focus on their passions; they might spend a lot of time on those passions, but this may often feel more like “play” than “work”, and what these people give back to society will be a product and expression of their innate talents/interests. All the while recognizing that this ideal Star Trek future may never come for mankind or may take another 1000 years….but won’t happen during my lifetime. And I (maybe due to Si + Fi) have an aversion to hustle culture, engaging in “the struggle”, gaining a sense of accomplishment thru overcoming, etc. I associate “struggle” with extreme discomfort, and Si prefers feeling snug and cozy; Si seemingly wants to organize its physical environment with the goal (in part) being avoidance of the need to act directly on the physical (Se) in the future . Meanwhile, I see many people who seem to value such things highly. I think “You do ‘you’, as long as you don’t push it on me” and appreciate how such people can advance society thru their determination and drive. But it’s nice to add another layer of appreciation, which comes thru understanding their core motivations (and then attempting to empathize with these, as much as possible within my own limitations). Going beyond the superficial acceptance (“Another social norm”, “a widely held value/perspective”) to deeper understanding.
yay! I'm learning about Socionics now so I'm really excited on this quadra topic. Your way of explaining things are practical and easy to understand. I reeeeally hope you do the other quadras as well. =)
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Im a gamma and I forget that I can come off cold and harsh. I’m an ESFP so I’m just running at my goals and not really thinking of others. The others don’t like that sometimes 😆 I also forget that I value blunt communication and others find it painful. I find indirect communication irritating and vague.
- Retirement is an alien concept to me. - Why people afraid of overtime? You get paid more. - I wish I never had to sleep or do everyday chores so I have more time to pursue my dreams. I thought I was the only one with these tendencies lol.
@@DesertILI I never said constant overtime as a work culture should be praised; I agree, personal projects are extremely important as gammas. It just all depends with your living situations.
@@DesertILI I think working overtime is not gamma. Unless overtime is for the sake of advancement of a personal project. Typically, I find it’s the gammas that are the first to clock out on the dot. 🤣 EDIT: I guess this ties into how important money is to the Quadra (or maybe impact?) It’s very much like, “If this work is not going to amount to anything, then bye. ✌🏼” It’s not out of duty or obligation.
@@beatofmyown I didn't claim it does. I was only commenting on "Why people afraid of overtime? You get paid more." in that it's a false premise if you're salaried. I'm not afraid of overtime but I'd rather avoid it completely if possible since I don't gain anything from it.
This is fascinating and I think your video hits the nail on the head. I have a lot of respect for the Gammas in my life, but two things that constantly irritate me about them are that they are very superficial and seem to lack empathy. But yes, very materially driven and often very successful. The types who will step on somebody else to get ahead. As an ENTP, one of my good friends is an ENTJ, we both work in similar industries. But the main difference: I find the technology interesting and enjoy the process of innovating and problem solving in the space. She likes being in cutting-edge technology for the bragging rights and her goal is to climb the corporate ladder by any means necessary lol. She is funny as hell though, knows how to have a good time and WILL drop everything to be there for you if you really need help. But sometimes I question her morality...and technically I'm "Fi Blind" so that is saying something
I really enjoyed this video. There aren't enough channels outside of Socionics talking about the quadras. I'd love to hear you talk about the other 3 quadras as well.
So far as I know I am an ESI. It's true for me that even though I tend to base my goals according to my core values stemmed from intense personal experiences, I still have a strict business mindset like "If you want to achieve this and this, you need to do this and that. Don't fool yourself by saying that you're making an effort when you don't know how to use resources efficiently."
Yes, I seem to know a lot of ENTJs, including women. I notice that my sister in law, who is an ENTJ, is very serious about Se time. My brother is an ESTP and he has mastered the art of the extraverted sensory (an avid golfer, dirt bike rider, boater, snowboarder--no kidding good at all of them!). While he spends a lot of time in his hobbies (and does have a good job but definitely works to live), she is a workaholic but also a play-a-holic. When it's time to do something on the weekends, she is dead serious about it. Hard to explain exactly, but you probably get it. I know another woman who is ENTJ and retired from a great job, but in her retirement, she is challenging herself to become a boat captain, ski rugged mountains, etc. I also notice that ENTJ women always tended to be attracted to my brother b/c he is such a sportsman and he became a way for them to engage that part of themselves while being very serious about their day jobs.
Also, I think a good example of how even an ISFP will have that business mind, they tend to be artisans (to use Keirsy's term for SPs) and I've noticed that hair stylists are often ESFP and ISFP, and while this makes sense for the type, my ISFP hair stylist owns her own chair at a salon and she is quite the businessperson about it. She definitely charges her value and is very set in what she will offer and won't. She isn't flaky at all about it, even though she is very introverted and in some sense, in her head.
@@tnic3255 The lady that does my nails is an ISFP, I’m sure. She’s also the owner and very much like, “worry about money, don’t think about anything else.” 🤣
Watched first 5 minutes and this made sense at most. I started off as an entreprenuer but got few employed jobs along the way that i couldnt handle in the long term. Working on things without anchor is absolutely impossible. I was fired 4 times in a year. My vision has always been selfish and it fueled me when i went back to my entrepreneurial journey. A Real estate agency.-LIE
As a Gamma one thing I’d realize when I do love something is working, I would always had the urge to shake things out of whim to feel thrilled. Especially when you experience stability and comfort, there’s this lackluster feeling that urges you to do something crazy and indulge to it head first even though you intuitively knew there will be a consequence. That you are completely aware it’s irrational to do crazy things. But if it’s for the sake of experience. You’d do it everytime regardless of its consequences. Although sometime it gets harder to manage as you were too confident to do this crazy sht because you had this prediction, and you thought in your head you’d overcome it yet fail to see other possibilities which things really gets more interesting 😂
A lot of procedural shows are built around (and marketed to) gamma quadra types, based off your description. Chicago Fire is everyone trying to be gamma quadra: "Let's work!" "Oh no, a personal problem - make sure it doesn't interfere with the work, okay!" (40 minutes of crimes and fires later) "We're done with all our hard work - let's go to the bar and be happy we work together!" Gamma quadra is not the GQ I'm meant for. (Neither is the magazine, but a man can dream.)
Thanks for bringing up the discussion of TV shows. 👌🏼 Chicago Fire seems more delta to me. Like the “let’s go out to the bar and be happy together” part. 🤣 Gamma shows are like “Shark Tank” or “The Kardashians” to me.
@@beatofmyown Ah, ok. I was thinking of the work hard/party hard balance in the show. But yeah, if you want a full gamma focus, Shark Tank's not a bad choice. I knew two guys from law school who went on Shark Tank years later (I happened to be walking by my wife's screen and did a double take). It was so clear they were using their lawyer advocacy skills on the show, for their tie rental business. But that partly dispassionate lawyering did not go over well with Barbara, who said she didn't think they "wanted it hard enough" or words to that effect. They sold the business at a profit to some other clothing rental upstart.
@@restlessmosaic Oh yes, the work hard/party part I can see that too. I guess a better way to summarize it is that the gammas really accentuate the sensual side of “partying,” as opposed to the relaxation part.
I have never delved into Socionics that much. What does Socionics try to measure in an individual? What's new/different in that (compared to MBTI personality types for example)?
It’s completely different from MBTI actually, as the emphasis is on relations. The way I see it is, if MBTI didn’t focus so much on highlighting only the positive traits of somebody’s personality, they would’ve gotten to the level of socionics. Lol! Because socionics has more to do with information metabolism, and how the way we metabolize information affects the way we view the world, which also affects our relationships. Intimate relationships, business relationships, our relationship to society, etc. Hence, why they talk about quadras as well.
Am I being a bully? - Gamma (Am I scaring people into doing my will?) Am I the a**hole? - Alpha (Am I not reciprocating social benefits?) This one's I am less sure about: Am I a good friend/family member? - Beta (Am I supportive of my friends/family? - probably meant in social/emotional support type of way) Am I being a burden? - Delta (Am I doing enough for others? - work)
@@choonblaze No, that's Ti talking. Ti people need to constantly persuade everybody that they are cool and have no negative traits. And being bully sounds better than to care whether you are a good friend. But being beta is more about "Did I not brought shame to me and my group?"
@@jankom.7783 Persuasion is a trait associated with the judicious (Si/Ne axis) trait, it has nothing to do with Ti. Decisive quadras (Se/Ni) tend to bulldoze people instead of persuading. Being cool and hiding negative traits is a Fe trait, nothing to do with Ti. Bringing shame to the group is associated with merry (collectivist, Fe/Ti axis) trait. So you are half right about that but without realizing why. Just remember that anything that has to do with emotion, ethics and other people have nothing to do with Ti itself. You might be referring to the Fe seeking (inferior) motivations of a type rather than Ti as a function.
@@choonblaze All functions are about persuasion. Bulldozing is also a form of persuasion. And everybody with Ti has Fe. I don't make distinction about which position is it in. Everything has to do with emotions. That is how we decide what to do. Ti are as emotional as Fi or Si. Difference between Ti and Fi is just that when Ti makes completely emotional decision, they claim it to be logical. And when Fi makes emotional decision, they claim it to be moral
@@jankom.7783 no, bulldozing literally is what people do when they can't persuade people. It's not a form of persuasion, it's the opposite. What do you mean by everybody? Only Alpha and Beta quadras have Ti and Fe, Gamma and Delta have Te and Fi. Making a disctinction of which position the functions are in is a core trait of this typology system. If you don't make distinction about their positions, you're not talking about socionics or Carl Jung's cognitive functions in general. Again, you're confusing whole types with four functions with Ti itself as a function. Ti has nothing to do with emotion. I think you were trying to say that types with Ti can be emotional and that is true but that hasn't got to do with Ti but the placement of feeling functions which are suppressed for Ti ego types. That's where the emotionality is coming from. Ti itself is a mechanical function just like a computer or a calculator processing data. I realize you are at the very beginning of this so it will take you at least a couple years to understand how this all works and that's okay. I wasn't trying to be rude even though I cannot explain any of this without coming off that way but to me, truth matters more. There is a lot of misinformation or simply half truths being spread because of not understanding the theory correctly in the first place. On the last point, when a Ti ego type makes a completely emotional decision, by definition they are suppressing their own Ti to go against it. It's called function loop or grip function if it's caused by the inferior. What you described sounds like an inferior Fe grip episode which then the Ti would justify as logic. Fi ego types aren't insecure about their feelings, their emotional decisions are well thought out due to Fi being a 3d or 4d function. Thinking is suppressed and weak though. Going back to your example, they might make a completely cold blooded decision caused by repressed Te and Fi would justify it as moral.
Just wanted to say you are doing a great job at communicating the complexities of your visual images and ideas. When you went abstract it was cool that you linked space and time together because you know, they are also linked in the real world too. It's also cool to think of intuition as time and sensing as space. I could talk more about it I'll keep it short lol. Anyway keep up the good work :)
I came on too strong over loading a past isfp friend with mbti shit even saying half jokingly that we intuitives are oppressed since there's more sensors as an enfp so she straight up texted on discord back to keep this cult-ish mbti shit to myself basically since she just wanted some simple explanation of me trying to type her oc characters but I ne-ed too hard 😭Directness accurate there
One thing to consider is, are they pleasurable, comfortable sensory experiences? Like traveling, going to nice restaurants, shopping, etc. Because this is more Si. People often get that confused. 😊
Yes😄 I love things like that. Keeps me grounded. Thanks! You have really giving me a new perspective on Se. I think I use Si then. Enfp maybe. Not a Si first user. Some of my best friends are and maybe my boyfriend. I am not in that league.
Okay I'm replying after listening for like 30 seconds. But I think gamma talks about money is because we basically think that information, in general, is shared. (Ps. I'm not writing this in a disagreeing tone whatsoever.) Also, I don't personally *identify* with how much money I make. It matters to me but I don't see people as having a social status, really, associated with how much money they have. Therefore for me to talk about money with people is just talking about something external and matter of fact. It's funny how when we do this, thinking information should be shared and that money does not define one's value, other people actually pick up on it as us being invasive or haughty. We're just talking about ~life~.
Pretty Sure I'm a Gamma Quadra Type. ESFP but an SLE, which is an uncommon combination. I think Pablo Picasso was this. Is It "work" that Gamma's are into or their "goals" or "objectives." Gamma's seem to me to be about their desires, their passions - what they want and that can manifest as achievement.
From my observation, gammas seem to naturally be mobilized and productive. It doesn’t mean anything to them to be this way, which sets them apart from the delta Quadra. So the work that they put in is not for the sake of achievement, duty, passion, or even desire. It’s almost just the way they are. What they know. It’s almost like “How else do you live life?”
@@beatofmyown That's interesting but I'm not sure if I see things that way. "Gammas are dominated by their individual desires. They know what they want." I'm not in love with work for work's sake. Sure I value efficiency and completion of tasks but I'm very "me" centric, very individualistic - being an 8 enneagram will do that. Now I go back and forth between SLE, SEE and ESI socionics types and subtypes because SLE and SEE are very similar especially when 8 is involved and SEE and ESI are fairly similar as well. Anyway, Gamma Se dom fits me whereas Beta Se dom doesn't really.
I'd group those differently. Basically a Te ego (LIE and ILI) are more interested in money itself than Fi ego (SEE and ESI). ENTj and INTp money, ESFp and ISFj values.
hmm and what about strong 4D Se in ESTJs? In that case there might be some overlap with esfps which makes me confused..I mean sometimes i have problem to tell estjs apart from esfp because estjs don't fit delta quadra values very much.
STJs vs SFPs is a common confusion in the current MBTI community. I would say the biggest difference is that STJs are dutiful, and will tend to place work above everything else. SFPs don’t do this. They may hustle, but tend to place themselves above all.
@@beatofmyown yeah , moreover, they are SJ temperament in are quite traditional...also, kinda robotic and rigid while esfps are very flexible and temperamental.Most estjs are choleric temperament while most esfps ard ssnquines...ESTJs are very reliable; esfps not so much they prefer freedom..Esfps with overdeveloped tertiary Te might look like estjs though.
@@majavidova4311 Well summarized! 👍🏼 I’ve worked with both SFP and STJ managers, and this seems to be the clear difference to me. SFPs = temperamental, therefore, you never really know what to expect. STJs = non-temperamental, therefore, reliable, consistent, can get kind of stuck in a “let’s get sh*t done” ROUTINE.
@@beatofmyown and one very important difference: estjs are affiliative they don't mind working for others for free..Esfps always keep in check whether they are not being used..gamma quadra cannot stand being used!
@@beatofmyown yeah i watched the whole playlist you have 😊 and noticed at the end, hey there are only 7.. mine was missing 😭😆 Ni Unless it's somewhere else and i didnt see it! Totally gonna buy Beebes book soon, it's a very good progression. I also really appreciate your "strait to the point" videos. 😃
As a gamma type I always hatted relating our quradra with the word "work". This is because most people associate work with stability, repetitive action or the 9 to 5 lifestyle. This is more true for the Si ego types within the delta and alpha quradra. Deltas are probably the hardest working types.
A better word I would use for gamma types is endeavors or enterprisers.
So true. I was debating in my head how to word this because I know what you’re saying. Although, I do think that “work” in the truest sense IS gamma.
Because if you really listen to the delta/alpha types, work is usually done only in exchange for more possibilities, such as stability, ambition, status, social harmony, etc. If nothing came from working, they would usually prefer a world where money and work didn’t exist (or something like this. Lol.)
So maybe with the gammas, there is an emphasis on “work” because they devalue Si, and value Se. They actually value the experience of engaging hands-on with their environment.
And endeavors sounds right. I did hesitate to say anything along the lines of entrepreneurs for the gammas, only because there are just as many delta entrepreneurs nowadays, especially with the rise of online businesses. Online businesses/remote work is perfect for the delta quadrant.
@@beatofmyown I kind of get what you're saying, but I also know that LSE and SLI are the hardest, lasting, and more reliable working types than the SEE and ESI. And this is because delta values Si
The SEE will go through five jobs before the SLI's one. If you ask yourself between the SEE and SLI which type you want running your wearhouse, the best answer will always be the SLI.
Se is about taking action, physical initiative, and force, but not stability and predictability. The Si qualities are more suited for work than Se. This explains why historically why the Si ego types were better farmers and Se ego types protectors/warriors.
@@faytwind3913 I see what you’re saying. From my observations, although delta STs ARE more reliable, their reliability is somewhat contingent upon the clarity of structure and future that is set in place for them. If there is no structure or clear future set out for them, they can either end up drowning in the sea of possibilities, or they may invest in more information-gathering to make certain they have the best chances of survival. I think this is one of the reasons that make the deltas an aristocratic Quadra.
And in these situations, it may be tempting for the gamma type to lay down some harsh judgments. “Just do it.”
Of course, as you may have hinted at, the irony of the gamma types is that the “just do it” mentality doesn’t necessarily mean there is going to be more QUALITY in what they do.
I’ve observed that the gamma types are usually the first one to clock out, as soon as the time comes. Or they may close up shop if they met their goal early on, without considering that maybe they should stay open to allow for maximum potential. Not the most reliable Quadra, slightly unpredictable, but maybe better at mobilizing when there IS no template. Enterprisers.
@@beatofmyown Understandable, but I'll say that most jobs do have structure and set rules that must be followed.
There probably should be added values to differentiate between the sensors and the intuitives within the quradras. For example the delta NPs should be more associated with "creativity" and the SJs with "dutifulness". With both admiring and drawn to each other's strengths.
I'm more in favor of getting rid of the word "work" because of how vague it is.
@@faytwind3913 Yeah, the word “work” is too vague. But hopefully, people will read this thread and get the difference. 👍🏼
My ENTJ dad ****loves**** talking about “THE STRUGGLE” at any opportunity. I love that about him. It’s admirable
This is great! Agree with everything. Te & Se is a combo that gives off that no-nonsense "just do it" attitude, while Fi & Ni gives that push to be the best version they can be. It all adds to having that inner sense of FOMO/YOLO while seeking for those flow state experiences. While everyone can experience that, gamma types take that more seriously.
Hi Rob! 😊👋🏼 Nice to see you here! 😝
I love your Se/Ni, Time/Space comparison! Makes sense!
It's true but it's about the static/dynamic dichotomy, not a Se/Ni dilemma. It applies to Fe/Ti, Te/Fi and Ne/Si as well. Dynamics are people of time, statics are people of space.
“It’s one thing to relate, it’s another thing to live it.” I was very guilty of this in the first few years of my time in typology. It’s why I am searching for my real type now- because I have too often typed myself based on relation rather than reality
girl, you are ON POINT! Most ENTJ videos have been very much just catch-phrase after catch-phrase. I love your insight! Like you know me fr hahaa. Never heard someone point out these things. Really appreciate your ENTJ content!
I think gamma quadra can tolerate intense experiences because Ni and Fi are really calm and strong functions; there is also a strong love and a sense of meaning that are very motivating for external interactions.
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend. I said to him "I don't care about the journey, only the results." I feel restless without having goals or visible progression. I can't "relax" the way most people do. Being productive is my way of having peace of mind. To me, there really is only the objective, regardless how strenuous it may be. There is a need to "push forward," and it is never satiated.
My brother and boss are both ISFPs (Fi-S) . One of the things that bug me being an ESTJ is their blatant disregard for Si and Ne. I really don't understand how the Gamma Quadra is able to just assume that they are the pinnacle of research and development. Any information that I provide to either of them is only accepted as long as it fits the precise mold of their predetermined lens of trajectory. My mother is likewise an INTJ (Ni-T) and she is quite a bit better (without blind spot Ne). But the main issue I run into with Gamma's isn't over comfort necessarily (I'm Delta btw) it's about informational relevancy. It always seems like I can't talk about something that interests me solely because it interests me. I do enjoy seeing how pieces of information across time and space link up and how we can construct and remold thought to be more efficient and fun. But there have been many times where I've spoken to my Gamma relatives and they just have an unspoken prerequisite that "Whatever you say to me should be immediately applicable to my situation or help me with my goals, otherwise don't bother". It boggles my mind at how little they actually explore the nebulas realm of their own intuition and instead seem to guard it so carefully. It's like they have this precious red gemstone that could easily be shattered by a gust of wind from a random direction, so they must shield it and reinforce it with physical *concrete* experiences.
Thank you for sharing this! 😊 It goes to show you how different Te-Si energy is from Te-Ni energy. 👍🏼
@jesseskomra I'm an isfp and am guilty of this type of experience you've given...
More gamma Quadra videos! This was good. I really liked the honesty. Although, I’m not very money hungry but I do like finer things and I was younger I would rather eat less fancy but I will buy expensive stuff because it usually afforded me a sense of being better/being more important than others. I’m an Entj and I like being at the top and being number 1. If I’m not number one, I don’t like anything around me. Also, gamma Quadras are one of the most malicious people out there(just had to be said) with entjs being least malicious type unless you actively sabotage us. I think it has something to do with Fi holding resentments and taking slights when nobody meant it.
Yes Aimee Y, please talk Socionics , it’s interesting and I’m getting more and more into it 😊
Very interesting; looking forward to your videos on beta and delta (as an NFP).
Yeah, the work issue…..which some of us secretly call the “curse of the necessity to work”. Ever since I was a kid, I’ve questioned (again “in secret”) the whole work ethic, and fantasized about a utopian society where robots do all the boring jobs and provide (thru their labor) enough resources for everyone to get a Universal Basic Income (UBI). Which, in turn, frees everyone from the need to work for survival……frees people to find and focus on their passions; they might spend a lot of time on those passions, but this may often feel more like “play” than “work”, and what these people give back to society will be a product and expression of their innate talents/interests. All the while recognizing that this ideal Star Trek future may never come for mankind or may take another 1000 years….but won’t happen during my lifetime.
And I (maybe due to Si + Fi) have an aversion to hustle culture, engaging in “the struggle”, gaining a sense of accomplishment thru overcoming, etc. I associate “struggle” with extreme discomfort, and Si prefers feeling snug and cozy; Si seemingly wants to organize its physical environment with the goal (in part) being avoidance of the need to act directly on the physical (Se) in the future . Meanwhile, I see many people who seem to value such things highly. I think “You do ‘you’, as long as you don’t push it on me” and appreciate how such people can advance society thru their determination and drive. But it’s nice to add another layer of appreciation, which comes thru understanding their core motivations (and then attempting to empathize with these, as much as possible within my own limitations). Going beyond the superficial acceptance (“Another social norm”, “a widely held value/perspective”) to deeper understanding.
yay! I'm learning about Socionics now so I'm really excited on this quadra topic. Your way of explaining things are practical and easy to understand. I reeeeally hope you do the other quadras as well. =)
My Socionics Crash Course is available on a 50% discount this August if you'd like a structured approach to learning Socionics from beginner to advanced level.
@@WorldSocionics not you buster. Don't come to other channels to try to sell your products
Im a gamma and I forget that I can come off cold and harsh. I’m an ESFP so I’m just running at my goals and not really thinking of others. The others don’t like that sometimes 😆
I also forget that I value blunt communication and others find it painful. I find indirect communication irritating and vague.
- Retirement is an alien concept to me.
- Why people afraid of overtime? You get paid more.
- I wish I never had to sleep or do everyday chores so I have more time to pursue my dreams.
I thought I was the only one with these tendencies lol.
When you're salaried overtime sucks because you don't get paid more and it takes away from your personal projects.
@@DesertILI I never said constant overtime as a work culture should be praised; I agree, personal projects are extremely important as gammas. It just all depends with your living situations.
@@DesertILI I think working overtime is not gamma. Unless overtime is for the sake of advancement of a personal project. Typically, I find it’s the gammas that are the first to clock out on the dot. 🤣
EDIT: I guess this ties into how important money is to the Quadra (or maybe impact?) It’s very much like, “If this work is not going to amount to anything, then bye. ✌🏼” It’s not out of duty or obligation.
@@beatofmyown I didn't claim it does. I was only commenting on "Why people afraid of overtime? You get paid more." in that it's a false premise if you're salaried. I'm not afraid of overtime but I'd rather avoid it completely if possible since I don't gain anything from it.
@@DesertILI Oh I know. I was agreeing with you. 😝
This is fascinating and I think your video hits the nail on the head. I have a lot of respect for the Gammas in my life, but two things that constantly irritate me about them are that they are very superficial and seem to lack empathy. But yes, very materially driven and often very successful. The types who will step on somebody else to get ahead.
As an ENTP, one of my good friends is an ENTJ, we both work in similar industries. But the main difference: I find the technology interesting and enjoy the process of innovating and problem solving in the space. She likes being in cutting-edge technology for the bragging rights and her goal is to climb the corporate ladder by any means necessary lol.
She is funny as hell though, knows how to have a good time and WILL drop everything to be there for you if you really need help. But sometimes I question her morality...and technically I'm "Fi Blind" so that is saying something
I really enjoyed this video. There aren't enough channels outside of Socionics talking about the quadras. I'd love to hear you talk about the other 3 quadras as well.
So far as I know I am an ESI. It's true for me that even though I tend to base my goals according to my core values stemmed from intense personal experiences, I still have a strict business mindset like "If you want to achieve this and this, you need to do this and that. Don't fool yourself by saying that you're making an effort when you don't know how to use resources efficiently."
Sounds about right. Rational and motivated by duty. Total opposite of a SEE
Do you have any gamma friends/family members? What were your experiences with them? 😝
My Dad's an ENTJ - great work ethic but a little more impulsive than me
One of my sisters is an ISFP - very laid-back and in-the-moment
they get so pulled into what they’re doing it’s hard to get their attention.
Yes, I seem to know a lot of ENTJs, including women. I notice that my sister in law, who is an ENTJ, is very serious about Se time. My brother is an ESTP and he has mastered the art of the extraverted sensory (an avid golfer, dirt bike rider, boater, snowboarder--no kidding good at all of them!). While he spends a lot of time in his hobbies (and does have a good job but definitely works to live), she is a workaholic but also a play-a-holic. When it's time to do something on the weekends, she is dead serious about it. Hard to explain exactly, but you probably get it. I know another woman who is ENTJ and retired from a great job, but in her retirement, she is challenging herself to become a boat captain, ski rugged mountains, etc. I also notice that ENTJ women always tended to be attracted to my brother b/c he is such a sportsman and he became a way for them to engage that part of themselves while being very serious about their day jobs.
Also, I think a good example of how even an ISFP will have that business mind, they tend to be artisans (to use Keirsy's term for SPs) and I've noticed that hair stylists are often ESFP and ISFP, and while this makes sense for the type, my ISFP hair stylist owns her own chair at a salon and she is quite the businessperson about it. She definitely charges her value and is very set in what she will offer and won't. She isn't flaky at all about it, even though she is very introverted and in some sense, in her head.
@@tnic3255 The lady that does my nails is an ISFP, I’m sure. She’s also the owner and very much like, “worry about money, don’t think about anything else.” 🤣
Watched first 5 minutes and this made sense at most. I started off as an entreprenuer but got few employed jobs along the way that i couldnt handle in the long term. Working on things without anchor is absolutely impossible. I was fired 4 times in a year. My vision has always been selfish and it fueled me when i went back to my entrepreneurial journey. A Real estate agency.-LIE
I'm just getting started on socionics.
As a Gamma one thing I’d realize when I do love something is working, I would always had the urge to shake things out of whim to feel thrilled. Especially when you experience stability and comfort, there’s this lackluster feeling that urges you to do something crazy and indulge to it head first even though you intuitively knew there will be a consequence.
That you are completely aware it’s irrational to do crazy things. But if it’s for the sake of experience. You’d do it everytime regardless of its consequences.
Although sometime it gets harder to manage as you were too confident to do this crazy sht because you had this prediction, and you thought in your head you’d overcome it yet fail to see other possibilities which things really gets more interesting 😂
Please do the alpha quadrant next!
A lot of procedural shows are built around (and marketed to) gamma quadra types, based off your description. Chicago Fire is everyone trying to be gamma quadra:
"Let's work!"
"Oh no, a personal problem - make sure it doesn't interfere with the work, okay!"
(40 minutes of crimes and fires later)
"We're done with all our hard work - let's go to the bar and be happy we work together!"
Gamma quadra is not the GQ I'm meant for. (Neither is the magazine, but a man can dream.)
Thanks for bringing up the discussion of TV shows. 👌🏼 Chicago Fire seems more delta to me. Like the “let’s go out to the bar and be happy together” part. 🤣
Gamma shows are like “Shark Tank” or “The Kardashians” to me.
@@beatofmyown Ah, ok. I was thinking of the work hard/party hard balance in the show. But yeah, if you want a full gamma focus, Shark Tank's not a bad choice.
I knew two guys from law school who went on Shark Tank years later (I happened to be walking by my wife's screen and did a double take). It was so clear they were using their lawyer advocacy skills on the show, for their tie rental business. But that partly dispassionate lawyering did not go over well with Barbara, who said she didn't think they "wanted it hard enough" or words to that effect.
They sold the business at a profit to some other clothing rental upstart.
@@restlessmosaic Oh yes, the work hard/party part I can see that too. I guess a better way to summarize it is that the gammas really accentuate the sensual side of “partying,” as opposed to the relaxation part.
My mom LOVES that show, a clue to her type maybe 🤔.
@@beatofmyown Ah, deltas are the family-friendly version of gammas. :-)
I have never delved into Socionics that much. What does Socionics try to measure in an individual? What's new/different in that (compared to MBTI personality types for example)?
It’s completely different from MBTI actually, as the emphasis is on relations. The way I see it is, if MBTI didn’t focus so much on highlighting only the positive traits of somebody’s personality, they would’ve gotten to the level of socionics. Lol! Because socionics has more to do with information metabolism, and how the way we metabolize information affects the way we view the world, which also affects our relationships. Intimate relationships, business relationships, our relationship to society, etc. Hence, why they talk about quadras as well.
Am I being a bully? - Gamma (Am I scaring people into doing my will?)
Am I the a**hole? - Alpha (Am I not reciprocating social benefits?)
This one's I am less sure about:
Am I a good friend/family member? - Beta (Am I supportive of my friends/family? - probably meant in social/emotional support type of way)
Am I being a burden? - Delta (Am I doing enough for others? - work)
That's not Beta at all, it's still Alpha. First one is also 100% Beta, not Gamma at all.
@@choonblaze No, that's Ti talking. Ti people need to constantly persuade everybody that they are cool and have no negative traits. And being bully sounds better than to care whether you are a good friend.
But being beta is more about "Did I not brought shame to me and my group?"
@@jankom.7783 Persuasion is a trait associated with the judicious (Si/Ne axis) trait, it has nothing to do with Ti. Decisive quadras (Se/Ni) tend to bulldoze people instead of persuading. Being cool and hiding negative traits is a Fe trait, nothing to do with Ti. Bringing shame to the group is associated with merry (collectivist, Fe/Ti axis) trait. So you are half right about that but without realizing why. Just remember that anything that has to do with emotion, ethics and other people have nothing to do with Ti itself. You might be referring to the Fe seeking (inferior) motivations of a type rather than Ti as a function.
@@choonblaze All functions are about persuasion. Bulldozing is also a form of persuasion. And everybody with Ti has Fe. I don't make distinction about which position is it in.
Everything has to do with emotions. That is how we decide what to do. Ti are as emotional as Fi or Si.
Difference between Ti and Fi is just that when Ti makes completely emotional decision, they claim it to be logical. And when Fi makes emotional decision, they claim it to be moral
@@jankom.7783 no, bulldozing literally is what people do when they can't persuade people. It's not a form of persuasion, it's the opposite. What do you mean by everybody? Only Alpha and Beta quadras have Ti and Fe, Gamma and Delta have Te and Fi. Making a disctinction of which position the functions are in is a core trait of this typology system. If you don't make distinction about their positions, you're not talking about socionics or Carl Jung's cognitive functions in general.
Again, you're confusing whole types with four functions with Ti itself as a function. Ti has nothing to do with emotion. I think you were trying to say that types with Ti can be emotional and that is true but that hasn't got to do with Ti but the placement of feeling functions which are suppressed for Ti ego types. That's where the emotionality is coming from. Ti itself is a mechanical function just like a computer or a calculator processing data.
I realize you are at the very beginning of this so it will take you at least a couple years to understand how this all works and that's okay. I wasn't trying to be rude even though I cannot explain any of this without coming off that way but to me, truth matters more. There is a lot of misinformation or simply half truths being spread because of not understanding the theory correctly in the first place.
On the last point, when a Ti ego type makes a completely emotional decision, by definition they are suppressing their own Ti to go against it. It's called function loop or grip function if it's caused by the inferior. What you described sounds like an inferior Fe grip episode which then the Ti would justify as logic. Fi ego types aren't insecure about their feelings, their emotional decisions are well thought out due to Fi being a 3d or 4d function. Thinking is suppressed and weak though. Going back to your example, they might make a completely cold blooded decision caused by repressed Te and Fi would justify it as moral.
Just wanted to say you are doing a great job at communicating the complexities of your visual images and ideas. When you went abstract it was cool that you linked space and time together because you know, they are also linked in the real world too. It's also cool to think of intuition as time and sensing as space. I could talk more about it I'll keep it short lol.
Anyway keep up the good work :)
Thank you! 😊
I came on too strong over loading a past isfp friend with mbti shit even saying half jokingly that we intuitives are oppressed since there's more sensors as an enfp so she straight up texted on discord back to keep this cult-ish mbti shit to myself basically since she just wanted some simple explanation of me trying to type her oc characters but I ne-ed too hard 😭Directness accurate there
This was great. Super informative and insightful. Will you be making videos about the other quadras?
Yes, judging by the feedback I’m getting. 👍🏼
I like money because it lets me work more 😂
This fits my gamma quadra friend to a T. They would describe themselves as completely differently though.
Okay, I am not a gamma type😄 I think a lot about not hurting people with my comments. I am not so direct. But I do love sensory experiences🥂☀️💛
One thing to consider is, are they pleasurable, comfortable sensory experiences? Like traveling, going to nice restaurants, shopping, etc. Because this is more Si. People often get that confused. 😊
Yes😄 I love things like that. Keeps me grounded. Thanks! You have really giving me a new perspective on Se. I think I use Si then. Enfp maybe. Not a Si first user. Some of my best friends are and maybe my boyfriend. I am not in that league.
Before i know about MBTI & socionics, i found that my equation in life is Hardworking + Entertainment.
Really Great video!
Thank you! 😊
Perfect explanation of my bf, thank you!
my parents are both gamma quadra. my dad is intj and my mom an esfp
Which type do you think fits the archetype of the gamma quadra the best?
This is hard…In my personal opinion, I think the gamma SFs encapsulates the quadra the best.
Okay I'm replying after listening for like 30 seconds. But I think gamma talks about money is because we basically think that information, in general, is shared. (Ps. I'm not writing this in a disagreeing tone whatsoever.) Also, I don't personally *identify* with how much money I make. It matters to me but I don't see people as having a social status, really, associated with how much money they have. Therefore for me to talk about money with people is just talking about something external and matter of fact. It's funny how when we do this, thinking information should be shared and that money does not define one's value, other people actually pick up on it as us being invasive or haughty.
We're just talking about ~life~.
i thought i was an ISFP but lowkey think i might have to go back and reevaluate cuz i don't think i could be a gamma type lol
Pretty Sure I'm a Gamma Quadra Type. ESFP but an SLE, which is an uncommon combination. I think Pablo Picasso was this. Is It "work" that Gamma's are into or their "goals" or "objectives." Gamma's seem to me to be about their desires, their passions - what they want and that can manifest as achievement.
From my observation, gammas seem to naturally be mobilized and productive. It doesn’t mean anything to them to be this way, which sets them apart from the delta Quadra. So the work that they put in is not for the sake of achievement, duty, passion, or even desire. It’s almost just the way they are. What they know. It’s almost like “How else do you live life?”
@@beatofmyown That's interesting but I'm not sure if I see things that way. "Gammas are dominated by their individual desires. They know what they want." I'm not in love with work for work's sake. Sure I value efficiency and completion of tasks but I'm very "me" centric, very individualistic - being an 8 enneagram will do that. Now I go back and forth between SLE, SEE and ESI socionics types and subtypes because SLE and SEE are very similar especially when 8 is involved and SEE and ESI are fairly similar as well. Anyway, Gamma Se dom fits me whereas Beta Se dom doesn't really.
Entj/isfp are way more interested by money than intj/esfp
I'd group those differently. Basically a Te ego (LIE and ILI) are more interested in money itself than Fi ego (SEE and ESI). ENTj and INTp money, ESFp and ISFj values.
Yas
hmm and what about strong 4D Se in ESTJs? In that case there might be some overlap with esfps which makes me confused..I mean sometimes i have problem to tell estjs apart from esfp because estjs don't fit delta quadra values very much.
STJs vs SFPs is a common confusion in the current MBTI community. I would say the biggest difference is that STJs are dutiful, and will tend to place work above everything else. SFPs don’t do this. They may hustle, but tend to place themselves above all.
@@beatofmyown yeah , moreover, they are SJ temperament in are quite traditional...also, kinda robotic and rigid while esfps are very flexible and temperamental.Most estjs are choleric temperament while most esfps ard ssnquines...ESTJs are very reliable; esfps not so much they prefer freedom..Esfps with overdeveloped tertiary Te might look like estjs though.
@@majavidova4311 Well summarized! 👍🏼 I’ve worked with both SFP and STJ managers, and this seems to be the clear difference to me. SFPs = temperamental, therefore, you never really know what to expect. STJs = non-temperamental, therefore, reliable, consistent, can get kind of stuck in a “let’s get sh*t done” ROUTINE.
@@beatofmyown and one very important difference: estjs are affiliative they don't mind working for others for free..Esfps always keep in check whether they are not being used..gamma quadra cannot stand being used!
Hey you dont have a function video on Ni?
The best one I have is the John Beebe keywords video. I always struggle with making Ni videos. 😝
@@beatofmyown yeah i watched the whole playlist you have 😊 and noticed at the end, hey there are only 7.. mine was missing 😭😆 Ni
Unless it's somewhere else and i didnt see it! Totally gonna buy Beebes book soon, it's a very good progression. I also really appreciate your "strait to the point" videos. 😃
@@journalsofathirddensitytra3498 Check out the video I made on John Beebe’s keywords. This should help for the time being! 😊
ua-cam.com/video/GAFLwnwigpY/v-deo.html - this may be helpful.
are u really ennegram 7
That’s just what I got typed as a few years ago, but I don’t think I am. I think I’m an enneagram 6.