About the Bolton theory-- it seems significant that Arya worked under Roose Bolton and wore their sigil while making deals with and getting the initial invitation from the Faceless Men
@@wjhall307 Perhaps when Arya inevitable returns she'll be able to help out with the Bolton conflict in some manner due to her expertise there. Maybe by helping take the Dreadfort. This would allow her to discover the secrets of the Bolton family and their ancient magic. Being able to decipher and make sense of it due to both being a warg as well as having trained under the faceless men.
If Bran the builder was a hybrid or just a child of the forest it would explain how he built all these different structures spaced out over a long period of time since we know that the children can live hundreds of years
There's a silliness here I really enjoy, Praise Garth :D Arya may be a powerful warg, but I also think she has cat characteristics anyway, so it may be easier for her specifically to warg cats. I mean cats ARE liquid, and Syrio was teaching her water techniques with her flexible sword and everything lol
What if Brandon “Ice eyes” Stark used ice magic to freeze the white knife to allow his men and horses to cross and surprise the slavers. Learning Ice magic might cause Brandon to obtain icy eyes like Mel and her fiery eyes
@@DavidLightbringer the White knife could be a reference to Dawn. A Stark turning the white knife to Ice… the Stark’s original VS sword was Dawn and now their VS sword is Ice. More evidence for Dawn being the OG Ice
I'm convinced that the names of the Sesame-Street Tully's are intended as more Blue-Red-Green symbolism - Lord Grover is Blue, his grandson and heir Lord Elmo is Red, and his two sons are Kermit and Oscar, both Green (two Green brothers symbolising Garth the Green and Grey King?) and one brother, Oscar goes on to found a Free Company named the STORMbreakers...
So in Irish Selkie legends, if you steal a selkie skin you control it. So there was a fisherman who stoke a selkies skin as she was walking around as a female (ofc he fell in love with her). After stealing her skin, he forced her to be his wife. Eventually their kids helped her get her leathery skin back and she escaped. There may nuances of the story too where a baby is taken by the seals.
Pretty sure that's not love, that's obsession and possession. No one who loves someone would trap them or try to control them. But yes, that is the basic gist of the story.
Omg, of course Howland Reed is a reference to Howl's Moving Castle!! I just finished a re-read a couple of months back and I haven't made the connection. Shame on me! You should definitely read it David, Howl is a wizard from a strange land faraway (Wales ahahaha), he supposedly "devours" ladies hearts, he's on the run hiding, he catches A FALLING STAR, there's Sophie a magical girl who doesn't know she's magical at all, there are glamoured people in the story... Now that I'm thinking about it, it seems to mix Lyanna/Rhaegar vibes, the aftermath of the Tower of Joy, etc. Also Howl spreads rumors about himself and impersonates a variety of pseudonyms to better hide away, I could see how that could've inspired all the secret identities in ASOIAF. The writer, Diana Wynne Jones, is also famous for a book called "The Tough Guide to Fantasyland", which is like a mock tourist guidebook to fantasy tropes. Of course GRRM would reference her, she also likes to subvert tropes. It all makes sense now 🤔😂 I've been meaning to ask you if you considered that "Liana" is a type of woody vine. If the leannánsídhe are kinda succubus beings, it seems to be a wordplay with Liana "plants" as well since they are kinda parasitic. You know, weirwoodnet corruption, Night's Queen, but specially the Others (or even humans) being spirits "tied" to the trees: like lianas! This stream was great, love the icebergs!Thanks for your amazing content as always!
The Roose Bolton body swapping throughout the ages, if a thing, could be another Lovecraft reference. The Thing On The Doorstep has Ephraim Waite body swapping with his daughter, a Deep One hybrid from Innsmouth, and her husband. It's implied he's been practising this for a long time.
Saw when this was live, but didn’t have the time to watch it then sadly. Just wanna say you’re genuinely one of my favorite creators on the site and thank you for helping keep asoiaf theories and content alive through this book-less void lol
First off, I have only just become aware of your videos and I am enthralled. Extremely well done and I really appreciate all that you put into these. Secondly, the Reading Rhaegar clip/song: lmaoooo.
On the subject of Howl's Moving Castle and Howland's Moving castle: Not only does Howl's castle walk, but the entrance door magically changes locations based on a knob next to the door, on the interior wall. Turning the knob changes where the door opens up. Howl has multiple locations to "warp" to based on which location he wants to be in. Turning the knob changes where the door opens. Translating that to Howland's moving castle and the Reeds' connection to the weirwoods and/or the White Walkers: teleportation via weirwood, or something along those lines. Maybe you can take this further down the rabbit hole. If you have only read the summary of the film, I suggest you watch it and return to this idea.
Too much sorcery not enough druidism. The Crannogmen have demonstrated they can walk through the swamps of the Neck without effort, for gurrilla warfare. No spark of sorcery, just enhanced intuition.
Another awesome stream, brother! I sadly couldn't watch it live. So, I had to save it for trip back after the Blink 182 concert looking forward to this the entire time.
Total tangent, but just as at the beginning you mention Scotland re The North (thanks - as a Scot, the show's decision that The North was the north of England alone obviously rankles, lol - my opinion: it is everywhere in medieval Britain outside the main Anglo-Saxon influence), but I know you're working on an Ironborn video too, so just wanted to ask if you were aware of the parallels between them and the Lordship of the Isles from the medieval hebridean islands off the west coast of Scotland. Basically the norsemen invaded and took them over before becoming partially assimilated into Gaelic culture over the ensuing couple of hundred years. The norse-gaels became a sort of powerful, troublesome pseudo-kingdom on the sea, somewhat uncomfortably connected to the mainland Scottish kingdom. Very reminiscent of the Ironborn at the beginning of the story. Personally I think they're a much better analogue than just 'the Vikings,' which most ppl jump to for understandable reasons (those being that they don't know history as well as George!). Anyway, not terribly relevant to here but one for your locker if you're unaware!
I always thought the show's decision re: The North = northern England kinda made sense if we're going by the real world geography that Westeros is apparently supposed to be (very loosely) based on, with the wall being an obvious - if heavily fantasticalised(?) - corollary for the real world's Hadrian's wall. That said I dunno why they went with the decision to have most of the wildlings talking with northern English accents (with a couple of Scandinavian ones thrown in to the mix) as well, I'd have thought they'd have had more Scottish accented wildlings if they were sticking with the real-world(ish) geographical references. Plus there's the fact that Scotland isn't all totally covered in snow of course, but then I've always thought of the region north of the wall as representing more of a perpetually winterbound version of all the most northwesterly parts of Europe mashed up together anyway (basically having the same mix of geography and cultures Lightbringer ascribes to The North in this video...but snowier), which is why the inclusion of characters with Scandinavian accents still made sense to me - as would more Scottish sounding folks - even if the northern English ones didn't.
I'm just watching the rewatch as I was out couldn't watch it properly I'll be tuned in tomorrow morning for the 2nd part I luv all your iceberg theory streams, so thank you so much I appreciate all your hard work to bring us all your theory's an symbolism, enjoy your evening praise Garth as I am at the moment
What's always bothered me is how old these great house families are, but at the time of the books, they're essentially just nuclear families. These families would have dozens of heirs. Ned, Robb, Bran, and Rickon are dead? Well, they'd have a dozen cousins, and a couple score 2nd and 3rd cousins to inherit after them. House Stark is like 8000 years old. That's a really long time to be having second and third and fourth and fifth sons who aren't inheriting but are having kids themselves. Same with all these other old noble houses. The Boltons are as old as the Starks. It'd never be like, Roose and Ramsay and then extinction. The youngest of the great houses are the Tyrells, and even they go back a few generations at this point (really, even farther, but before Aegon's Conquest they weren't a great house).
One could say that the intention is that the original branch is the 8000 year old one that inherits the traits and castles, however 8000 years is a length of time that strains belief that that family would not have had some unexpected circumstance happen and end it.
The only real in universe justifications for how small most of these houses are is the depopulation caused by the constant warring and all of the inbreeding in the higher classes making them much less fertile than normal. But yeah, George doesn't seem to let more than one or two children live in each family, probably just for narrative simplicity. Personally I don't mind it, I think it adds to the sense that Westeros is in constant decline because of the never ending scramble for power
I wonder if Brandon Snow thought he could kill dragons with weirwood arrows because he was a powerful warg or greenseer and knowing that weirwoods can be skin changed planned on skin changing the arrows to guide them in flight right into the dragon's eyes or some other vulnerable spot. 🤔
Hey David, not sure if you’ve talked about this previously but as I was praising Garth today I started thinking about the medieval club weapon the morning star. Immediately conjured the image of a comet in my head (spiked ball being the comet itself and the tail being the handle.) Off the top of my head I can’t remember which characters (if any) are said to have wielded a morning star in the text but I thought if there are, there may be some Azor Ahai/lightbringer symbolism to chew on in there somewhere.
If all the references to the Bran the Builder were actually to Stark masons it would make Arya's cover story about her father being a mason an interesting connection.
Hope you see this: Play Crusader Kings 2 or 3 modded with A Game of Thrones if you don't play it yet. You'll really really love it and it may be very good for content for us thrones fans. 😊
Just discovered your channel and I love it. I’m consuming a lot of your videos and then I’m going to watch Game of Thrones for the 10th time but with new eyes and knowledge. Thanks for all your hard work.
Maybe is just something they say so everyone thinks there super nice and always super welcoming.... there's tons of factors that you wouldn't be able to give someone tea.. and what all those people are supposed to be in trouble
@billwright4234 I think the essence of it is you have to let them in so they don't freeze to death. Iceland has a really low murder and domestic violence rate, so they don't have to have our thoughts of "what if they're here to hurt me"
pausing the vod to say i Love this new Bolton theory! it's genius! the bolt on theory was def always lacking a little something for me, and i think you've finally put a nail in their coffin. great work!
My friend, I swear I sift through every video you have, review it and like it no matter how old it is. If you see those late likes or me resurrecting post, I’m sorry 😂 Oh, it’s Dee from Chicago 😭🥂
I read somewhere that Winterfell is built on top of Wierwood roots. Its hallways and rooms don’t follow linier order but “ branch “ out . Something is going on with the sacrificial trees here .
@DavidLightbringer So Val mentions that Greyscale thrives in the cold... do you think that could be foreshadowing for Stannis' daughter to have an outbreak? Therefore making Mel burning her more of a mercy than a savage act and using her 'kings blood' to resurrect Jon? This just came to me right now
@@VicLovin602I think you're right about val saying that. and while some characters may tell themselves it was a mercy and necessity to prevent the outbreak, I think mel will still take the opportunity to do it for whatever reason she needs.
Thistle reflexively claws at her eyes... just like Cat, when her son seeks a second life... men cry out for their mothers when they are dying... what if that man is a skin changer?.. Lady Stoneheart is an amalgam of her own, Robb's and Beric's souls The red wedding was an accidental blood magic spell.
I felt like I had a slight breakthrough earlier but it slipped away. It had something to do with the Weirwood trees being a seed planted inside a sacrificed person (whether a man, giant or child of the forest I don't know). Something about feeding them blood and giving them faces, but they can die if certain things happen or aren't done and they will fossilize, perhaps if they aren't fed blood or are fed something tainted? I dunno it slipped away from me.
That was a nice stream, thanks 🙏🏻 LML for sharing and can’t wait to watch the second part of House Stark Theory Iceberg 🧊Top notch as always!🤓👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🫶🏻🙋🏼♀️🇨🇦
Just wanted to comment that the north may not be necessarily further “north” than the map makes it appeal, if planetos is on a title then places in the further east which appear below the north on a flat map may be further north than they appear
I tend to not like iceberg videos so these have been on the back burner, but your latest Bolton video convinced me to get over myself, can't wait to see all the various starkly things!
@DavidLightbringer also, Great/Old Wyk looks exactly like Santorini, which ended up like that due to a massive volcanic eruption. Like, its surprisingly close, and its one of the locations proposed for Atlantis, so George would for sure know about it (although everyone knows Atlantis was R'lyeh, a _bunch_ just got lost in translation)
The Leanan Sidhe makes me think of Robert never getting over Lyanna - his obsession with her ensured that the crown and the most beautiful and wealthy woman in the kingdom wouldn’t be good enough replacement for her absence. Compare that to Rhaegar, whom she followed and for whose sake/ideals, she sacrificed her life.
now that you say it....Cranog men being weird frog people living next to oily black stone....and then down in Yeen there's the oily black stone "toad" idol 🤔🤔
I dont think cats are inherently harder to skinchange into. If anything its likely Canines are the more special animal companion, hence the special word "Warg" that other skinchangers dont receive.
If Sansa ends up as Queen of The North like in the show considering her love her knights and how she instigates setting up the order of winged knights I feel like that is setting up her establishing her own northern Queen's guard later on. Would love it if it ended up being a queens guard of wargs!
@David Lightbringer lets remember that Rickon, at the very least has green dreams, if not being a full greenseer. Ned in the crypts where Bran finds him. Different topic doesn’t Ned tell Jon, that they’ll talk about his mother “next time we see each other”? (Like, when they’re both dead?)(or was that only in the show?)
Maybe the Green Men are Children that permanently Warged into Men, then fought a War with the Children to gain control of the Weirwood Network. They confined the Trees within their Walls, then recruited the Nights Watch to Protect them. This may be why the Faceless Men want to recruit Arya: just like the Boltons, they want to gain control of the Skinchanging ability, which could have been a Goal since the Fall of Valyria...
The North is Canada, aka America's hat. Geographical area as big as the other kingdoms combined but a tenth of the people and one city. There is no money, and the whole economy is based on seal skins and timber! I identified with Jon Snow and his homeland immediately upon picking up the first book 😂
Sometimes it feels not so nice living in this Era. But to be able to listen to a dive this deep about a magnificent fictional world, and the beautiful language and writing and lore...that's that shit we Do like haha
I haven't slept so this is probably goofy but, the reason the wall even exists but is made of ice always confused me. But maybe the Watch and the Starks fight the wildlings to keep them on the other side is a sort of sacrifice in itself, maybe the wall is like- hey take this portion of the population and have at it just stay on that side? If the wildlings stayed alive to reproduce the others could snatch up people and babies here and there and have like. A flock of livestock. But IDK, some wildlings respect the Starks despite them fighting for generations so maybe not. IDK.
Arya is not only more powerful than Bran, but she's the only character in the book that didn't need to become disabled to gain power. Arya killed the Nightking after her assassin training, whereas bran got his powers after losing his legs, Jon after dying, Daenyris after being broken in by Drogo, etc.
Thank you lml! Great stuff. I know at one time you were talking about expanding out into other areas. I hope you always stay with asoiaf analysis in your own unique way and I was glad to see hotd kind of revive some asoiaf channels. I know you said in past it's not really your thing, but the Northman Eggers movie has some great visuals and recreations of some of the things GRRM gets into...any chance of a Northman video or series in future?
@@DavidLightbringer makes my day getting a reply!! There's definitely some element of action movie to it but it's really more like a Nordic I spired dream that someone filmed. Thanks for all your videos!
@@DavidLightbringerit is a violent movie for sure. But it contains the best interpretation of a shamanic vision ritual that I’ve seen on film. You’d find that interesting no doubt.
The Cranogmen are from the Bayou. Not the first reference in this stream. Coincidence, a full on brass band shut down the street I work on to do a march earlier today. Needs me some Howland Reed! Praise Garth
So maybe I'm wrong, but what if rheygar is a nights king stand in, if lyanan-she are what she is named after could that make lyana the blue rose nights queen. Just like last time the nights king was brought down by Robert a green man stand in and his friend Ned the stark, just like how the nights king was brought down by the wilding king which could be argued the closest people culturally to the green men are the wildings, and they were helped by the northern army with another stark. What was supposed to have happen to the children of the nights king and queen? And could rheygar have maybe been trying to fulfil and different prophecy to what we thought
On Valyrian Steel weapons being sold to the great houses of Westeros: if we assume that the Aegon's Dream thing from HotD is true, then there is a possibility that house Targaryen had reason to believe that the great houses of Westeros needed to have Valyrian steel weapons. Perhaps a Dragon Dreamer sometime before Aegon but after Daenys (if not Daenys herself) had visions of the great then-kings cloaked in their heraldry wielding Valyrian steel blades against the Others.
Praise Farth Yes Farth. Ducking autocorrect. Been absent for eons on the rewatch but I have returned. Some people are are into crazy shit man. I’m not excluded, I’m enticed and won’t deny
“The North is father north than anywhere else”
Unparalleled attention to detail is what keeps me coming back
hahaha
About the Bolton theory-- it seems significant that Arya worked under Roose Bolton and wore their sigil while making deals with and getting the initial invitation from the Faceless Men
oh that's a great point!
@@ccorvidGarth the Green = David's weed dealer
I absolutely love the Bolton theory of them being magic stealers utilizing the same tricks as the faceless men.
Further ties the Faceless Men into the rest of the story
@@jenny_of_oldstones3523sure they are. They just aren’t biased dicks
@@wjhall307 Perhaps when Arya inevitable returns she'll be able to help out with the Bolton conflict in some manner due to her expertise there. Maybe by helping take the Dreadfort.
This would allow her to discover the secrets of the Bolton family and their ancient magic. Being able to decipher and make sense of it due to both being a warg as well as having trained under the faceless men.
@@Chickawah❤
You've taken "A flayed man has no secrets" to a whole new level, David!
WoW!!!!
If Bran the builder was a hybrid or just a child of the forest it would explain how he built all these different structures spaced out over a long period of time since we know that the children can live hundreds of years
Maybe he designed them all at once and it just took a long time for them to be implemented?
There's a silliness here I really enjoy, Praise Garth :D
Arya may be a powerful warg, but I also think she has cat characteristics anyway, so it may be easier for her specifically to warg cats. I mean cats ARE liquid, and Syrio was teaching her water techniques with her flexible sword and everything lol
What if Brandon “Ice eyes” Stark used ice magic to freeze the white knife to allow his men and horses to cross and surprise the slavers. Learning Ice magic might cause Brandon to obtain icy eyes like Mel and her fiery eyes
oh that's actually not crazy
@@DavidLightbringer the White knife could be a reference to Dawn. A Stark turning the white knife to Ice… the Stark’s original VS sword was Dawn and now their VS sword is Ice. More evidence for Dawn being the OG Ice
I'm convinced that the names of the Sesame-Street Tully's are intended as more Blue-Red-Green symbolism - Lord Grover is Blue, his grandson and heir Lord Elmo is Red, and his two sons are Kermit and Oscar, both Green (two Green brothers symbolising Garth the Green and Grey King?) and one brother, Oscar goes on to found a Free Company named the STORMbreakers...
That Bolton shit is dark, man. Love it. That's some fantasy horror GRRM idea for sure
So in Irish Selkie legends, if you steal a selkie skin you control it. So there was a fisherman who stoke a selkies skin as she was walking around as a female (ofc he fell in love with her). After stealing her skin, he forced her to be his wife. Eventually their kids helped her get her leathery skin back and she escaped. There may nuances of the story too where a baby is taken by the seals.
There's one where the selkie maiden comes back and kylls a band of brothers for their having kylling her kin...
Makes me think of the Furies
Pretty sure that's not love, that's obsession and possession. No one who loves someone would trap them or try to control them. But yes, that is the basic gist of the story.
Probably why per his telling their kids eventually freed her @@cameronjadewallace
Omg, of course Howland Reed is a reference to Howl's Moving Castle!! I just finished a re-read a couple of months back and I haven't made the connection. Shame on me! You should definitely read it David, Howl is a wizard from a strange land faraway (Wales ahahaha), he supposedly "devours" ladies hearts, he's on the run hiding, he catches A FALLING STAR, there's Sophie a magical girl who doesn't know she's magical at all, there are glamoured people in the story... Now that I'm thinking about it, it seems to mix Lyanna/Rhaegar vibes, the aftermath of the Tower of Joy, etc. Also Howl spreads rumors about himself and impersonates a variety of pseudonyms to better hide away, I could see how that could've inspired all the secret identities in ASOIAF.
The writer, Diana Wynne Jones, is also famous for a book called "The Tough Guide to Fantasyland", which is like a mock tourist guidebook to fantasy tropes. Of course GRRM would reference her, she also likes to subvert tropes. It all makes sense now 🤔😂
I've been meaning to ask you if you considered that "Liana" is a type of woody vine. If the leannánsídhe are kinda succubus beings, it seems to be a wordplay with Liana "plants" as well since they are kinda parasitic. You know, weirwoodnet corruption, Night's Queen, but specially the Others (or even humans) being spirits "tied" to the trees: like lianas!
This stream was great, love the icebergs!Thanks for your amazing content as always!
Pretty sure Howl’s Moving Castle was done after ASOIAF surely
@@Henbot HMC was published in 86, AGOT in 91.
Jeez, that Bolton theory was amazing. Makes a lot of sense, and ties in a bunch of stuff I thought was pointless. Great work!
I have heard of Bolton theory before but never heard it as beautifully interpreted as your discourse 😮😮😮
The Roose Bolton body swapping throughout the ages, if a thing, could be another Lovecraft reference. The Thing On The Doorstep has Ephraim Waite body swapping with his daughter, a Deep One hybrid from Innsmouth, and her husband. It's implied he's been practising this for a long time.
Theory Icebergs for each of the kingdoms would be so cool, seems like there's so much to talk about with the Reach and Garth the Green/Green men
Saw when this was live, but didn’t have the time to watch it then sadly.
Just wanna say you’re genuinely one of my favorite creators on the site and thank you for helping keep asoiaf theories and content alive through this book-less void lol
First off, I have only just become aware of your videos and I am enthralled. Extremely well done and I really appreciate all that you put into these. Secondly, the Reading Rhaegar clip/song: lmaoooo.
On the subject of Howl's Moving Castle and Howland's Moving castle:
Not only does Howl's castle walk, but the entrance door magically changes locations based on a knob next to the door, on the interior wall. Turning the knob changes where the door opens up. Howl has multiple locations to "warp" to based on which location he wants to be in. Turning the knob changes where the door opens.
Translating that to Howland's moving castle and the Reeds' connection to the weirwoods and/or the White Walkers: teleportation via weirwood, or something along those lines. Maybe you can take this further down the rabbit hole. If you have only read the summary of the film, I suggest you watch it and return to this idea.
Too much sorcery not enough druidism.
The Crannogmen have demonstrated they can walk through the swamps of the Neck without effort, for gurrilla warfare. No spark of sorcery, just enhanced intuition.
@JoshSweetvale Howl gets his magic from a falling star, that's how George made the jump to Howlands moving castle
Another awesome stream, brother! I sadly couldn't watch it live. So, I had to save it for trip back after the Blink 182 concert looking forward to this the entire time.
Total tangent, but just as at the beginning you mention Scotland re The North (thanks - as a Scot, the show's decision that The North was the north of England alone obviously rankles, lol - my opinion: it is everywhere in medieval Britain outside the main Anglo-Saxon influence), but I know you're working on an Ironborn video too, so just wanted to ask if you were aware of the parallels between them and the Lordship of the Isles from the medieval hebridean islands off the west coast of Scotland. Basically the norsemen invaded and took them over before becoming partially assimilated into Gaelic culture over the ensuing couple of hundred years. The norse-gaels became a sort of powerful, troublesome pseudo-kingdom on the sea, somewhat uncomfortably connected to the mainland Scottish kingdom. Very reminiscent of the Ironborn at the beginning of the story. Personally I think they're a much better analogue than just 'the Vikings,' which most ppl jump to for understandable reasons (those being that they don't know history as well as George!). Anyway, not terribly relevant to here but one for your locker if you're unaware!
thanks for the extra history there!
I always thought the show's decision re: The North = northern England kinda made sense if we're going by the real world geography that Westeros is apparently supposed to be (very loosely) based on, with the wall being an obvious - if heavily fantasticalised(?) - corollary for the real world's Hadrian's wall. That said I dunno why they went with the decision to have most of the wildlings talking with northern English accents (with a couple of Scandinavian ones thrown in to the mix) as well, I'd have thought they'd have had more Scottish accented wildlings if they were sticking with the real-world(ish) geographical references. Plus there's the fact that Scotland isn't all totally covered in snow of course, but then I've always thought of the region north of the wall as representing more of a perpetually winterbound version of all the most northwesterly parts of Europe mashed up together anyway (basically having the same mix of geography and cultures Lightbringer ascribes to The North in this video...but snowier), which is why the inclusion of characters with Scandinavian accents still made sense to me - as would more Scottish sounding folks - even if the northern English ones didn't.
Great stream looking forward to the god's wood theory tomorrow! Really like the Bolton's as magic stealers.
I'm just watching the rewatch as I was out couldn't watch it properly I'll be tuned in tomorrow morning for the 2nd part I luv all your iceberg theory streams, so thank you so much I appreciate all your hard work to bring us all your theory's an symbolism, enjoy your evening praise Garth as I am at the moment
Darn! I can’t believe I missed you LIVE… no matter! On w/the show!!!
Jamie Lannister theory iceberg or character video?, really love your content, it’s a joy to listen to
Ive always assumed the Boltons were warg hunters. Descended from the Van Helsings of the first men
What's always bothered me is how old these great house families are, but at the time of the books, they're essentially just nuclear families. These families would have dozens of heirs. Ned, Robb, Bran, and Rickon are dead? Well, they'd have a dozen cousins, and a couple score 2nd and 3rd cousins to inherit after them. House Stark is like 8000 years old. That's a really long time to be having second and third and fourth and fifth sons who aren't inheriting but are having kids themselves. Same with all these other old noble houses. The Boltons are as old as the Starks. It'd never be like, Roose and Ramsay and then extinction. The youngest of the great houses are the Tyrells, and even they go back a few generations at this point (really, even farther, but before Aegon's Conquest they weren't a great house).
yeah and the houses retain characteristics way longer than is reasonable, both physically attributes and personality types.
It's plot armor for sure.
One could say that the intention is that the original branch is the 8000 year old one that inherits the traits and castles, however 8000 years is a length of time that strains belief that that family would not have had some unexpected circumstance happen and end it.
@@davidryan7386Bloodline magic.
It seems the blood of kings has some magic to it, ask Melisandre.
The only real in universe justifications for how small most of these houses are is the depopulation caused by the constant warring and all of the inbreeding in the higher classes making them much less fertile than normal. But yeah, George doesn't seem to let more than one or two children live in each family, probably just for narrative simplicity. Personally I don't mind it, I think it adds to the sense that Westeros is in constant decline because of the never ending scramble for power
I love these steams, they remind me of the OG LML podcasts that last forever. I love those BTW ❤
Jeez what a UNIT Brandon Snow must have been if he was able to confidently state he could take down all three dragons
wheelbarrow status
I'm disappointed you didn't have a nice happy theory about House Bolton
hahaha
I wonder if Brandon Snow thought he could kill dragons with weirwood arrows because he was a powerful warg or greenseer and knowing that weirwoods can be skin changed planned on skin changing the arrows to guide them in flight right into the dragon's eyes or some other vulnerable spot. 🤔
Thank you for all these Iceberg theory videos. They are all fantastic!
Only caught the end live, can’t wait for the rewatch!
Hey David, not sure if you’ve talked about this previously but as I was praising Garth today I started thinking about the medieval club weapon the morning star. Immediately conjured the image of a comet in my head (spiked ball being the comet itself and the tail being the handle.) Off the top of my head I can’t remember which characters (if any) are said to have wielded a morning star in the text but I thought if there are, there may be some Azor Ahai/lightbringer symbolism to chew on in there somewhere.
If all the references to the Bran the Builder were actually to Stark masons it would make Arya's cover story about her father being a mason an interesting connection.
That's show only
Hope you see this: Play Crusader Kings 2 or 3 modded with A Game of Thrones if you don't play it yet. You'll really really love it and it may be very good for content for us thrones fans. 😊
Just discovered your channel and I love it. I’m consuming a lot of your videos and then I’m going to watch Game of Thrones for the 10th time but with new eyes and knowledge. Thanks for all your hard work.
have you read the books? and thank you!
@@DavidLightbringerNo but now I want to start books hopefully on Audible. Thank you.
In Iceland it's illegal not to bring someone in and give them a cup of tea if they ask
Lol seriously?
@billwright4234 that's what I've heard 🤷♀️
Maybe is just something they say so everyone thinks there super nice and always super welcoming.... there's tons of factors that you wouldn't be able to give someone tea.. and what all those people are supposed to be in trouble
@billwright4234 I think the essence of it is you have to let them in so they don't freeze to death. Iceland has a really low murder and domestic violence rate, so they don't have to have our thoughts of "what if they're here to hurt me"
Iceland doesn’t even have gun laws. I swear it’s a magical paradise and I want to die there. It’s Eden after the fall. Iceland is just mystical.
Was looking forward to this, so many theories on the Starks and their past. I can't wait to rewatch it, sadly had to miss the Live.
love this stream!!! weirwood king robb omg. so fun. im going to think more about life in ancient westeros
Great stream as always. Thanks!
1:42:00 What about the theory that Stannis is going to feign death and enter Winterfell cloaked as Freys?
yes! I think it will happen. There coukd be echoes of Ramsay taking WF
@@DavidLightbringer Fits with your observation of Boltons as Azor Ahai faking his way into the wwnet. Stannis and Ramsay as ambitious tricksters.
1:31. Exactly. Love your content LML. Dave. I bow to you.
pausing the vod to say i Love this new Bolton theory! it's genius! the bolt on theory was def always lacking a little something for me, and i think you've finally put a nail in their coffin. great work!
Ah Just missed the stream! Thanks for all you do
really looking forward to the 2nd part of this. Great job David. Now back to Arriane II from last summer to keep me sane til your next stream.
My friend, I swear I sift through every video you have, review it and like it no matter how old it is. If you see those late likes or me resurrecting post, I’m sorry 😂 Oh, it’s Dee from Chicago 😭🥂
cheers, Dee from Chicago!
I read somewhere that Winterfell is built on top of Wierwood roots. Its hallways and rooms don’t follow linier order but “ branch “ out . Something is going on with the sacrificial trees here .
@DavidLightbringer So Val mentions that Greyscale thrives in the cold... do you think that could be foreshadowing for Stannis' daughter to have an outbreak? Therefore making Mel burning her more of a mercy than a savage act and using her 'kings blood' to resurrect Jon? This just came to me right now
Maybe not Val but Im pretty sure someome mentions that. Have to go back and re read those chapters
@@VicLovin602I think you're right about val saying that. and while some characters may tell themselves it was a mercy and necessity to prevent the outbreak, I think mel will still take the opportunity to do it for whatever reason she needs.
Thistle reflexively claws at her eyes... just like Cat, when her son seeks a second life... men cry out for their mothers when they are dying... what if that man is a skin changer?.. Lady Stoneheart is an amalgam of her own, Robb's and Beric's souls
The red wedding was an accidental blood magic spell.
Great iceberg stream!
I felt like I had a slight breakthrough earlier but it slipped away. It had something to do with the Weirwood trees being a seed planted inside a sacrificed person (whether a man, giant or child of the forest I don't know). Something about feeding them blood and giving them faces, but they can die if certain things happen or aren't done and they will fossilize, perhaps if they aren't fed blood or are fed something tainted?
I dunno it slipped away from me.
When you said “married with children of the forest” it gave me a terrible idea for a sitcom spinoff
😂😂😂😂
That was a nice stream, thanks 🙏🏻 LML for sharing and can’t wait to watch the second part of House Stark Theory Iceberg 🧊Top notch as always!🤓👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻🫶🏻🙋🏼♀️🇨🇦
Great stream! Love the new space! I enjoyed your previous space, too!
I keep missing the live streams due to work schedule. Love the content, and im startimg to subscribe to your moon meteors situation..
Just wanted to comment that the north may not be necessarily further “north” than the map makes it appeal, if planetos is on a title then places in the further east which appear below the north on a flat map may be further north than they appear
“I’m an aquatic creature” I legit screamed SQUISHER
Lady Dustin was very displeased at her husband’s bones not being returned home.
I tend to not like iceberg videos so these have been on the back burner, but your latest Bolton video convinced me to get over myself, can't wait to see all the various starkly things!
I just wish they were faster. It’s good but 6 hours is a long video….
EPIC Stream. Thanks David. Have a Good One : )
Man, I wish they'd explain how to glue stuff to other stuff with blood magic. I've got a lot of stuff that keeps breaking
same... does it work on bongs?
@DavidLightbringer I dunno but my last like, three would love to find out
@DavidLightbringer also, Great/Old Wyk looks exactly like Santorini, which ended up like that due to a massive volcanic eruption. Like, its surprisingly close, and its one of the locations proposed for Atlantis, so George would for sure know about it (although everyone knows Atlantis was R'lyeh, a _bunch_ just got lost in translation)
I just had a thought…. Have you tied together the fact that John Snow was born in Dorne where the “sun” is the reigning power?
The Leanan Sidhe makes me think of Robert never getting over Lyanna - his obsession with her ensured that the crown and the most beautiful and wealthy woman in the kingdom wouldn’t be good enough replacement for her absence.
Compare that to Rhaegar, whom she followed and for whose sake/ideals, she sacrificed her life.
This!!
If Lyanna is named after the Leanan sidhe then I wonder if that connects to a Song for Lya.
Jack in the Green.... Jackin ... Jaqen ... and could green as an associated word with Garth ... haGar(th)
oh nice I think you're on to something! Hagar means flight or forsaken, and Jack in the Green spends all winter alone. He's a Jack in the Garth.
now that you say it....Cranog men being weird frog people living next to oily black stone....and then down in Yeen there's the oily black stone "toad" idol 🤔🤔
Wildlings with castles. Love it.
1:26. The Sothorian great question. 💡💡💡
Great stream can't wait for pt 2
lmfao i listen to your streams while i smoke and play sims and when you hit that around the hour and a half mark i was like yaaaaas
You know it’s a good topic when you gotta break it into 2 parts
Was never a subscriber of the Bolton theory, but wearing Stark skins and stealing their magic is a cool/brutal idea.
same. bolt on theory was always interesting, but never quite hit like this one just did!
I dont think cats are inherently harder to skinchange into. If anything its likely Canines are the more special animal companion, hence the special word "Warg" that other skinchangers dont receive.
If Sansa ends up as Queen of The North like in the show considering her love her knights and how she instigates setting up the order of winged knights I feel like that is setting up her establishing her own northern Queen's guard later on. Would love it if it ended up being a queens guard of wargs!
Leannan Sidhe: "Promise me, Ned..."
@David Lightbringer lets remember that Rickon, at the very least has green dreams, if not being a full greenseer. Ned in the crypts where Bran finds him.
Different topic doesn’t Ned tell Jon, that they’ll talk about his mother “next time we see each other”? (Like, when they’re both dead?)(or was that only in the show?)
Maybe the Green Men are Children that permanently Warged into Men, then fought a War with the Children to gain control of the Weirwood Network.
They confined the Trees within their Walls, then recruited the Nights Watch to Protect them.
This may be why the Faceless Men want to recruit Arya: just like the Boltons, they want to gain control of the Skinchanging ability, which could have been a Goal since the Fall of Valyria...
Beautiful stream!
Great work 👏🏻
I didn’t know you made the music on this channel. Sweet bass skills 😎
The North is Canada, aka America's hat. Geographical area as big as the other kingdoms combined but a tenth of the people and one city. There is no money, and the whole economy is based on seal skins and timber! I identified with Jon Snow and his homeland immediately upon picking up the first book 😂
Westeros is an amalgam of England, Europe, North America, and Standard Fantasy Land.
Missed the stream by 1 minute…
Tis good for me, man. A subscriber
Sometimes it feels not so nice living in this Era. But to be able to listen to a dive this deep about a magnificent fictional world, and the beautiful language and writing and lore...that's that shit we Do like haha
Rheagar rocks that jazz bass pretty hard
I haven't slept so this is probably goofy but, the reason the wall even exists but is made of ice always confused me. But maybe the Watch and the Starks fight the wildlings to keep them on the other side is a sort of sacrifice in itself, maybe the wall is like- hey take this portion of the population and have at it just stay on that side? If the wildlings stayed alive to reproduce the others could snatch up people and babies here and there and have like. A flock of livestock. But IDK, some wildlings respect the Starks despite them fighting for generations so maybe not. IDK.
Always look forward to your ASOIAF content!
Great stream, would recommend.
Arya is not only more powerful than Bran, but she's the only character in the book that didn't need to become disabled to gain power. Arya killed the Nightking after her assassin training, whereas bran got his powers after losing his legs, Jon after dying, Daenyris after being broken in by Drogo, etc.
❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥 part 2 sounds crazy
Thank you lml! Great stuff. I know at one time you were talking about expanding out into other areas. I hope you always stay with asoiaf analysis in your own unique way and I was glad to see hotd kind of revive some asoiaf channels.
I know you said in past it's not really your thing, but the Northman Eggers movie has some great visuals and recreations of some of the things GRRM gets into...any chance of a Northman video or series in future?
I haven't watched it still, I don't tend to love grim and violent movies. But I suppose I need to watch
@@DavidLightbringer makes my day getting a reply!! There's definitely some element of action movie to it but it's really more like a Nordic I spired dream that someone filmed. Thanks for all your videos!
@@DavidLightbringerit is a violent movie for sure. But it contains the best interpretation of a shamanic vision ritual that I’ve seen on film. You’d find that interesting no doubt.
Howl's moving castle is well worth a read! its pretty short so its not that much of a time investment.
Bloodraven’s weirwood bow/arrows killed the black dragon!
all the valyrian steel could have been in westeros for a bit longer given it might have been the celtigars or velaryons selling it.
The Cranogmen are from the Bayou. Not the first reference in this stream. Coincidence, a full on brass band shut down the street I work on to do a march earlier today. Needs me some Howland Reed! Praise Garth
I’m all in. Thanks man😊
So maybe I'm wrong, but what if rheygar is a nights king stand in, if lyanan-she are what she is named after could that make lyana the blue rose nights queen.
Just like last time the nights king was brought down by Robert a green man stand in and his friend Ned the stark, just like how the nights king was brought down by the wilding king which could be argued the closest people culturally to the green men are the wildings, and they were helped by the northern army with another stark.
What was supposed to have happen to the children of the nights king and queen? And could rheygar have maybe been trying to fulfil and different prophecy to what we thought
On Valyrian Steel weapons being sold to the great houses of Westeros: if we assume that the Aegon's Dream thing from HotD is true, then there is a possibility that house Targaryen had reason to believe that the great houses of Westeros needed to have Valyrian steel weapons. Perhaps a Dragon Dreamer sometime before Aegon but after Daenys (if not Daenys herself) had visions of the great then-kings cloaked in their heraldry wielding Valyrian steel blades against the Others.
Love it 🎉 love every minute
1:42. Foreshadowing of Varsmyr battling bran warg style
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Praise Farth Yes Farth. Ducking autocorrect. Been absent for eons on the rewatch but I have returned. Some people are are into crazy shit man. I’m not excluded, I’m enticed and won’t deny