You should make a top 10 most "reliable" exotic cars list! I think it would be interesting to a lot of people to see which exotic cars would be relatively easy to maintain
I have always felt the same way as you do about the California. And the criticism of "You've got the cheap Ferrari" Is kind of like saying: "You're dating the least-educated Victoria secret model"
almost a good analogy, least educated victorias secret model is still an L tho, only old men and pretentious people would truly be interested in some hot girl with a lack of intelligence. something more like "i have the cheapest mansion in the neighborhood" would work better
No sane person would look at you 10 years ago and assume you were hurting because you’re driving the California and not the 599. The “poor man’s” argument doesn’t really apply anymore when you have a literal Ferrari. I always felt the criticism was from people who couldn’t afford either.
@@defyyourlogic487 I agree with this 100%, a few years ago I was hanging out with my Uncle who has many wealthy clients, and a real down to Earth rich guy had a California and it was a blast to drive and his take was "I was able to actually get one and drive it." He even let me drive it from Chino Hills down to Dana Point lmao. One of my favorite driving experiences.
@@home_taping Must’ve been something. I had the opportunity to drive a T down in SD back in 2017 but I chose the huracan instead. Maybe not quite a rocket like that car but I’m sure it would’ve been just as great of an experience. People hate on the California but I’d love to see them deny an opportunity with one up close.
Disagree on the LFA, it sounds amazing, only second to the CGT, I actually like how it looks AND its reliable because it's a Lexus! And very much agree on the NSX and Vantage. Very very underrated cars.
I want a Murcie and a few others from the 2000s in Manual, but they are so damn rare that Ive opened myself up to owning a Flappy paddle version if I ever get the chance to own one of the high end sports cars of the 2000s. And from what Ive seen on youtube, They arent that bad once you get used to it. Besides, they are a good way to get a good deal and should stay that way for a while as Manuals become more and more desired. But yes, eventually they'll cave and enjoy the Paddle shifts
I've been thinking this since the Doug video about that little cosworth-powered one seater he drove, with the paddle sequential transmission. I can't remember the name, but its my favorite car in Forza.
He says flappy paddles are going to be cool, in the same video he moans about them, doesn't this sound ridiculous? While I agree they will become desirable, Doug comes out as not really sure whether he likes a car because of the value and hype or because he likes the driving.
I agree about the nsx. My next door neighbor came home with one one day and I can’t help but stare whenever I see it. Also surprising because it’s worth 15x more than any car I ever saw him in and he was smart in buying the nsx since the maintenance wouldn’t kill you and it’s fast as hell
I love the Lexus LFA. The idea of a company like Lexus who very rarely did any sporty cars coming out with an extremely fast reeving and incredible sounding 550hp V10 is insane to me and most other car people. I do think Doug downplays the performance a bit. 3.6 seconds to 60 in 2011-12 was amazing. Single clutches were still reasonably common on supercars as dual clutches couldn't handle that level of horsepower/torque yet. However, pricing it at $375k new is the biggest thing that doomed it to failure. This is where I'll readily agree with you, Doug. An Audi R8 V10 of that era was $150k. Gallardo was $250k. You could get a goddamn base LP640 MURCIELAGO for *less* than the LFA at the time. And the other thing Lexus didn't do right with the LFA is they made an excellent halo car to attract people to the brand, but then didn't offer more affordable sports car offerings to go along with that. Audi had the S/RS line to compliment the R8. Lexus had the IS-F which was an excellent sport sedan, but apart from that? Nothing else really. The LFA was an excellent car in terms of engineering and performance but ultimately let down by its brand.
Yeah I'm really disappointed how much he put down the performance of the car especially for the time, especially since he gave some of the other cars a pass
Hit the nail on the head. One hundred percent it was the price tag. I think read somewhere that Lexus lost money even at the almost $400k price tag, as it was extremely expensive to produce these cars. But still, it’s not that suddenly regular people couldn’t afford this car that killed it, it was people that could buy any car they wanted. They’d probably laugh at the idea of paying almost $400k for a Lexus, when that’s well into super luxury or performance car prices. If they had somehow figured out to keep it around 150-200k, it probably would’ve done a lot better in their target market. Or even became accessible to more upper middle class buyers.
At least according to Lexus; They said when the LFA was new, they specifically chose the single clutch gearbox because 'it had more feel and engagement'. They also apparently lost money on every LFA sold due to the R&D costs.
Sorry Doug, I'm with you on all the others, but the LFA one just doesn't fly. These cars were loved to bits way before the pandemic, and to me personally it is absolutely beautiful. Jeremy Clarkson (who is no stranger to taking an unpopular stand-point) said in 2013: "If somebody offered me, the choice of any car that had ever been made, ever. I would take a dark blue LFA, that's how much I love this thing." I cannot speak for the driving experience, obviously, and I 100% respect that you do not like it, that is a subjective thing. However, saying the LFA's popularity is just because people needed something to spend their money is to make a mockery of a genuinely loved piece of automotive history.
Doug is a car guy who doesn't know cars. I dont mean it in a bad way but I know he'd struggle changing a wheel on the side of the road. The LFA is an engineering marvel that was just too little too late.
The sound of the LFA alone makes it truly special. The low production number and fact they lost so much money on each model when initially offered makes it legendary. Not sure their is a better sounding car at any price to this day.
Let's not forget that the LFA was the fastest car around the Nurburgring Nordschliefe when it came out. The beauty of the LFA is in that everything is sorted out and that it's truly different and unique in the face of all that McLarens, Lamborghinis, Porsches, Ferraris etc.
Agreed but hes sorta right, besides what you mentioned and it just sounding great thats it. Its not that fast at all actually for the money its going for now you could get 100 better cars
@@ourfutureisdark well it was the fastest car on the Nürburgring for years 😂😂😂 so the gold standard for sportcars. How can you argue it isn't fast. Highway pulls aren't the benchmark lol
Lmao - Doug - “Lexus LFA had awful transmission (f1 style single clutch) 3 minutes later Doug - “I think f1 style single clutch transmissions are going to be desirable and you are wrong about them”
I remember driving the LFA in a recent Forza game (H4 I think) and they NAILED the V10 sound. The sound was really spine chillingly good. So much so that driving that car was an experience purely because every time you floor it, you get instant goosebumps from that sound. That’s Forza. If Forza represents even 5 percent of what it feels like to kick an LFA on its tail, it’s one of the most spine chilling, extraordinary experiences money can buy. It doesn’t matter if it was a sales failure, the trans was suboptimal and it was a bit controversial, it’s all outweighed by that absolutely insane soundtrack. And if you ask me it looks beautiful, it’s aging well. I think the LFA is one of the all time greats, it’s my poster when it came out as a teenager. I would wanna own one, purely because I could live with the flaws to enjoy that soundtrack.
Always loved the look of the Enzo when it came out, it looks very clean and sculpted. It kills me how this car is 20 years old now, it has aged better than anything else from the era! Still an all time great and one of my all time favourite cars!
I disagree, I think there are a number of super cars in that era that look better today. I'd say the Murcielago, Veyron, DBS and Carrera GT all look better. Of course this all subjective because it opinion.
Nah, The Murcie's have aged beautifully. As a 90s kid and a fan of cars from the 2000s(as well as the decade), I think the Enzo is still cool. But the look is not my thing, and has actually became less appealing over time. However, It is very much a 2000s era design. The 2000s were a very strange decade. Full of quirkiness, loud and over the top. I think the Carrera GT and SLR, along with the F430 and 599 of the era look and have aged far better. But the Enzo did age well considering its very "out there" design.
Contents and timestamps: 1:45 Ferrari California, original. 3:00 Acura NSX current gen 4:22 Ferrari 348 6:19 Lexus LFA (the only negative opinion by doug, who incorrectly thinks it sucks. It's one of the best track performers of its time, and the noise really is what people pay for) 9:00 Ferrari Enzo 11:06 late 90s and early 2000s sequential manual transmissions?? right after he bashed the LFA's slow shifting sequential manual at 8:07 lmao 12:34 Aston Martin Vanquish (2003 i.e Die Another Day) ...sigh, the SLS wasn't on this list. People dismiss that car so much but it's so nice. lol
I was about to disagree with u abt the lfa, but after re-checking the fact: yeah its one of the best in its era. (The lfa with Nurburgring pack) This thing left lambo superleggeras and 458s like its nothing on the nordschleife
"and the noise really is what people pay for" - You know they couldnt sell them for years? Noise and all is great for enthusiast but people who actually could buy that car were not interested. People in comments really cannot handle the truth
The LFA never had rave reviews during its era because like Doug said (and I usually don’t agree with him) the car was just an amazing engine inside a relatively lackluster car and it’s performance for dollar was awful. Jeremy Clarksons calling it the best car in the world is a result of his controversial, go against the grain type of opinion that he had on many cars over the years and although the 911 has pretty much been the darling of the automotive journalist, he has always hated it 🤦🏻♂️
Two things here: I’m actually inclined to agree on this list, particularly with the LFA: the biggest issue I had as a kid when the LFA was shown was the front end styling, which I never felt matched the msrp (especially as the, honestly better looking, frs/brz came in with similar forms) second, really happy to hear mention of the mechanical nature/feel of early sequential “flappy-paddle” gearboxes for years I thought perhaps I was simply imaging it as they were fiercely derided (and fair, many are slow, clunky, and restrictive) but there always seemed at least a taste of that mechanical connection that a true manual provided
I'm not surprised he doesn't understand the LFA. You need to appreciate the finer details in engineering, engine technology, and chassis design to appreciate the LFA fully. Doug is more of a "ooo car goes fast and looks cool" kinda car guy...
And even with the high price, Lexus still lost money on each one. Maybe Doug forgot a few things since his LFA review. There may have been questionable business decisions from Lexus with regards to selling similar cars at the same time, but the LFA shouldn't be shit on for that.
"Over the last year, everyone has money because of stimulus checks..." - Yeah, Doug I don't think anybody was pushed over the edge to buy an exotic car by $1-2K.
Yeah I mean in my head I went out and put a down payment on a used Bugatti... when I got the checks, but in reality, like 90% of us, our bills went "lol feed us"
I mean, that depends on how poor your financial decisions are. Repos are on the rise, there’s no way at least a couple of those weren’t financed from a couple of stimulus checks saved up, which then stopped rolling in. Remember, a lot of idiots thought lockdowns and masks were permanent. Still unlikely, but possible.
I listen to Doug because Doug is from the future. As a Ferrari enthusiast I can honestly say that I would buy a California T. When Ferrari 'fixed' everything wrong with the California for the 2015 T, it then respectably served as Ferrari paying homage to the original 250.
The LFA's main point of attraction is that as supercar as it is, LEXUS is reliable! People thought it would suck because as you said: Lexus doesn't know how to build a supercar, but then word got out that the car is worthy of being among the best of them. Paying that much money is justified for a car that can easily be a daily driver for its owner because of how reliable Lexus is.
When you have enough money to buy a 375k car, then you shouldn’t be caring about expensive repair bills. And supercars are more of a weekend car, they aren’t your daily driver, so trying to say that the LFA is good because you can drive it daily is pointless. I know that LFA fanboys are going to rip me in half but still LFA is overrated
If you think the LFA is reliable or that anyone is buying them because of the perception that Japanese = reliable, you’re a dunce. Also the LFA isn’t a daily driver whatsoever, anyone that has driven a car with a single clutch automated manual can attest to that (BMW SMG, Ferrari F1 come to mind.)
I really like the LFA. I get what you are saying about some of the reasons why it doesn't "deserve" the praise it's getting. And some of that may be true, with artificially inflated demand, as you mentioned. But it also has one of those 6-speed automated manual transmissions, which is one of the things you said you think will become more desirable. So it's somewhat contradictory, a little bit. I think if you tried the LFA Nurburgring edition, you may change your mind on it. Can we get a review of that?
Doug's perspective on good value is always interesting as he's playing in a very different league than myself. My most expensive vehicle to date was a 2015 Mazda 3 6-speed that I paid $9K for two years ago. Granted, I recognize that the $40K-$70K Vanquish is affordable relative to other high performance cars as opposed to what the average American can afford.
I don't think I've ever seen someone complain about the Enzo's looks, at least not in the last 10 years Also I like the the LFA's "terrible transmission" was such a drawback but the egear and F1 cars are "mechanical" feeling lol
Ya I found Doug to be contradicting a little bit. Sure I am a Lexus luxury/realibility fan, sure I LOVE LFA, but I don't shy from saying it's a ugly super car. It's one of those cars I love because it's ugly; the mechanical transmission, the sound, the ridiculous V10 puts the car on the pedestal for me
Probably in the minority but I’ve never liked how the Enzo looks. It’s weirdly square and boxy which looks nothing like the other Ferraris at the time. I think it’s plain ugly tbh.
@@denissacaliuc7975 I agree! I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder (and all that cliched stuff), but I think it's the ugliest car that Ferrari ever made.
@@joshuakhaos4451 Certain cars from the 2000's don't tend to age well, doesn't only apply to supercars and sport cars however, also a lot of luxury cars and ordinary cars as well. the E-Class W211 didn't aged well in om opinion. The 2000's was not a great decade for automotive, but was great for other stuff.
The issue with the original California is that ugly rear-end, and the clunky automatic gearbox. The California T fixed those issues, mostly, while upping the performance with turbos and bigger brakes, and it became a great car. This is especially true considering it's ~30-40% cheaper to maintain than the mid-engined F430 or 458, while obviously being more practical as a daily driver. 90% of the performance at 2/3 the price, while being ~3x more practical? What's not to love? It's a fantastic used car buy at its FMV.
@@tannergolden1767 yeah, I already know that they're referencing that Australian dealership that didn't let Doug drive the Enzo. But that's literally like so irrelevant to this video. These trolls are just never gonna let this die. "ha ha ha, you run a successful UA-cam channel, a successful business and review cars in the multi million dollar range, that I couldn't even fathom affording an insurance policy to do. Nor would any dealership even give me the time of day to do that anyways, but because there was one time you ran into an issue, wherein you were disallowed the permission to drive a car to complete the review of it. Because the dealership didn't let you, I'm going to insert what their reasons could've been, based on nothing but my own opinion. And continue to bring it up at any opportunity. Because my meaningless existence, perpetuates itself when I try to make a mockery of successful people". Pathetic.
I’ve never driven a vanquish but I could forgive it a lot of things for its looks. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what you’re saying Doug, granted I’ve not driven all of the cars, but never saw the draw of the Lexus and always loved the 348!
Growing up I remember seeing the Enzo being the next big thing. The styling just stood out like a knife in draw full of spoons. Seeing an Enzo on the streets is like seeing a real life Power Ranger at Walmart. May not be everyones taste but it's a spark that lights the fire within. I've always loved them, they're just bananas in all the best ways imo.
I loved the LFA as a kid when it came out. I was elementary school age, and the fact that it was this ultra luxurious hot wheels looking thing got me pumped. I love the car because it was my favorite the year it came out and you can say what you want about it but it will always be up there for me.
the LFA was your generations McLaren F1, or like with me I was too young to know the F1 when it came out, but when the Saleen S7 came out, that was my jam. Before that was the Twin Mill.
Everyone that has the money to buy supercars. The fact that we as a society have been duped into thinking the public needs to let the rich stay rich, to provide our own jobs.........
"You're" being the demographic Doug associates with. ie Yuppy snooby rich assholes. Who the hell looks down on a Ferrari California other than rich assholes who can afford the more expensive ones? It's literally a 6 figure car still.
What strikes me is, the Lexus LFA's V10 seems to be one of the few (if any) street legal V10 at the optimal number of degrees (72). Does anyone know why that is? I know the reason most V10s are 90 degrees is cause they're V8-derived, but the Carrera GT's V10, also presumably purpose built, is 68 degrees. The real question is, why is THAT? There must be a deliberate reason, I guess having it at a slightly "wrong" angle must have some sort of advantage?
My guess is something to do with balancing, here is video I found very interesting explaining it for a V5 motorcycle engine: /watch?v=XjwTPY_fwKM I guess the concept could be applies to other engines like the V10 you're asking about.
The Enzo gearbox can be remap to the same spec of the 599 GTO the faster change of gears from the single clutch era! Is from 2002 and still gorgeous, without the electronic limiter it can reach over 380km/h without problems
No one buy a Vanquish! Until I do. That car in person is more beautiful and exotic looking than pics or video show. The refined muscular look from all angles under appreciated.
You are right about people buying LFA cuz they can not afford more expensive exotics however, the story behind the car is what makes it appealing to petrol heads like me whom can not afford neither
I had a 1995 Ferrari 348 spider and LOVED it! And it got just as many looks as any newer Ferrari. I loved it and people loved to see it! And it’s really easy to work on because there’s so much space in the engine bay.
I miss more Doug DeMuro because a lot of this content shows up on my recommendations, and I don't care about most of the stuff in this form factor. When I ignore it, it means UA-cam shows me less Doug stuff in general, so next month I'll get a video that was uploaded sometime in November or December that youtube will be like, "well he didn't like Doug then, but maybe he will now."
The sound of the LFA engine is what sells. Many other things can be a let-down, but all of that is worth to have the greatest sounding car engine ever.
I agree the California is way better than people give it credit for. But it’s styling is so bulky and awkward. The front end is dainty, it’s too tall for its width and the rear end is massive with so many vertical lines. And it’s 3,900 lbs.
Doug's take on the LFA is embarrassingly bad. Like so bad to the point where it takes away his credibility as a reviewer. I get that it's overhyped and overvalued, but if you know ANYTHING about cars you know it is an engineering masterpiece which will never happen again in the modern era. Also, the 1st gen Ferrari California drives terribly.
LFA is an incredible car with incredibly complicated engineering. It is the perfect drivers car. The communication with a tacitle felling too it feels incredible. You are incredibly connected to the car and the insane throttle response from the Yamaha f1 derived v10 tuned by Yamahas sound team makes the car so clean and nice to drift. Every single bolt, stalk or part of that car is from Japan and is only on the LFA. No other toyota/lfa share parts with the LFA. 65% of the car is also carbon Fibre. Also people forget the Nurburing edition LFA took the nurburing record from the record holder that year the gt2rs. Also I love the styling that's personal opinion. I love how Japanese supercary it is and people that don't know cars don't know how special it is. I love the interior with its gauge closer all its unique parts and really clean stalks for turning signals. The interior/exterior is intirely unique to any other lexus model.
I would rock a 348, especially a built one with an exhaust- I saw a yellow modded one driving once and it was epic. Enzo - epic; LFA- even though the concept looked better still epic bc you can have fun just listening to it!
I grew up with the Enzo as the Ferrari halo car. If I had the money, I genuinely can't think of any car I'd rather buy. Even over the Carrera GT, and I'm a Porsche fan. The size of the car, the na V12, and carbon tub, it's just incredible
I think if the new NSX was simply named something other than the NSX, it would be way more popular. I think people are comparing it way too often with the original NSX, which is obviously a very hard reputation to live up to what with the original's cult status. And that's not me saying it doesn't live up to the original's reputation, I like the new one just as much. I do have to disagree with you on many of the things you said about the LFA however, especially in the looks department.
Thanks for the video Doug. I love what you say about the NSX. In my opinion this car will become what the LFA is today. Neglected today but highly desired in a few years
You're right. It's a more affordable Porsche 918 unfortunately when that car came out. It wasn't what the Honda enthusiasts asked for hence why it's "cheap" but in 6-8 years it will def shoot up in value
Except it doesn't have the amazing N/A engine... which is the primary reason the LFA is lauded, and makes their driving character completely incomparable. Not to mention the NSX is too heavy and not as rare as the LFA.
Yeah I like the new NSX. It looks exotic, performs like one and being that Honda reliability is a big plus. I mean you can go to the honda dealer to get parts and most parts like starters, and basic mechanical parts will be affordable as much as a Honda Accord. Kind of like the Corvette. It is exotic and most parts are just Chevy parts. Yeah they both have unique parts that will be pricey, but the NSX will be reliable.
@@EEvtg What I love about the NSX is that it is a hybrid. There is not many that tried to be sporty. The electro gives it an amazing acceleration, but only until the turbo finally kicks in. Love that concept
Ouch, that Lfa comment LOL. I see mob with torches and pitch forks heading to Doug's house now. I think it's a beautiful car. Beauty can be pretty subjective though as we all know. I still love you Doug LOL
"It has an interior similar to every other Lexus" How is that a bad thing? Lexus does great quality interiors and the LFA is the best of them all with the moving dial and the aluminium paddles.
I have a 1996 NSX T. I supercharged it and added cold air intake and improved exhaust. Gave the car plenty of pop which was the main complaint. Hope you find one.
@@Cincy32 I agree completely! Took my wife's Civic to our local honda dealer to get it serviced and they had two NSX's on display. In person it's a really beautiful thing, so much presence and the proportions are just perfect. Shame that at £160k they were a bit above my budget, but still a man can dream.
I generally agree with Doug, especially about single clutch automatic transmissions. I still prefers manuals but they are more engaging than dual clutches and conventional auto. And this will become more important as internal combustion engines are phasing out.
I think its pretty cool you make vids like these because the vast majority of the public doesn’t get to experience these cars & you give like a normal persons perspective
I agree about the transmissions. I had the original DSG transmission in my first gen Audi TT 3.2 and the feeling was super mechanical and quite satisfying!
(I can't find this already being said, so) Doug: LFA transmission is awful. Also Doug: Flappy paddle, single clutch transmission will one day be very desirable!! 🤨🤨
Sounds like the gist of it is, sometimes, when people are disappointed with cars, or the cars have one or two flaws, they tend to write them off as "Bad Cars", when that's not the case at all. Some of them can actually be pretty great, when you accept them for what they are!
Me to, but I never liked the California T that succeeded it. It had weird looking headlights and the twin turbo V8 Ferrari’s sound just awful the whole lot (except the F40 but that was a whole different era)
I think the LFA looks great outside, I love the flat butt and the sound alone almost trumps everything, but I do see where you're coming from with the price, didn't realize they are going for that much now
Big disagree on the Lexus LFA, as you correctly predicted lol The engineering that went into that car is a marvel, I think the design looks great and it’s a very sexy look, the sound is incredible and the fit and finish are second to none. It was definitely overpriced and poorly marketed but I always thought it was a fantastic halo car for the Lexus brand. I would absolutely choose one over any of the others you mentioned you could buy for the same money
The issue mainly is overpricing. The LFA isn't just that special and exciting to be selling for well over half a million dollars. It is a nicely thought out and well designed car, but to me it just feels a lot like a better and reliable Audi r8
Especially now that Acura made a new Type S NSX, thats my dream car. I absolutely loved it when it came out, and the Type S has everything I'd want. I think they just timed it horribly. I think if the NSX came out now or in a year or two it'd have a lot more appeal (now that almost everyone is doing hybrid performance cars in the near future), especially if they could upgrade the electric portion of the drivetrain for some more power and range. But overall the biggest issue was price, and no way in hell they'd be able to fix that given the current global economy and whatnot. $170k+ for "just an NSX" is a pretty fair thought IMO. The naming is also a point of contention, maybe if they had made a cheaper, less powerful base trim NSX and then a real performance trim (something along the lines of C8 and C8 Z06 is what I'm imagining) maybe they could've justified an almost $200k price point, and have made more sales of a hypothetical base trim to boost recognition and development. Its a real shame it died right after I graduated college and not in 5-10 years when I'll have the money :P
Doug should like the LFA. At Nürburgring, also racing one of those rare LF-A endurance race car, Akio Toyoda met Aston Martin's former President and fellow race entrant Ulrich Bez. After racing was done, with the best ranked LF-A only at 14th place, both CEOs decided to build the Aston Martin Cygnet together.
An entire video devoted to hot takes that go against the norm? Brave, Doug. Brave. I mean your opinions on most of these is blatantly wrong, but still gotta commend the bravery.
LFAs are kinda eh to me. I do like them, and it is easily the best exhaust note in the industry, but I have to agree with the price and other qualities. Too expensive, not incredibly fast, and OK styling.
I think it’s a really attractive car. And I think the exhaust is really amazing. I liked it when it was new and then I think everyone started liking it and I’ll agree it’s maybe getting too much hype. I think the fact Lexus made it is awesome. It’s not slow 0-60 in 3.6. Fastest on the Nurburgring at the time. Transmission was not that bad compared to all the other trannys at the time
As a person lucky enough to experience a lfa it doesn't surprise me that Doug thinks it is overrated. This car is more than a great sounding engine, it is the chassis and balance. It was for years the fastest car on Nürburgring, even with the transmission. If you use cars to impress other people than being impressed of a car than it makes sense to dislike the lexus supercar. There are a lot of people, who call them "car guy" because they can use a manual. Mandatory in most of the countries other than USA...
If you look in the comments under any LFA video the overwhelming majority are about the sound and that seems to be why people like it so much... But I think people often forget in its time the LFA was really fast. It had the Nuremberg track record. Its handling and grip are often overlooked I think... Along with the engineering that went into the chassis, engine and whatever else. The LFA shouldn't be dumbed down to "no dual clutch, good sound"
They simply are not worth the money in the era of the C8 series pretty much at all. There is not only a performance metric but a cool car factor, and GM obliterated it. A Ferrari California vs a C8 Stingray? You literally have to be so enamored with things from Italy to even consider Ferraris offer over a Stingray any day of the week. Most of the exotics mentioned have used prices that are hilarious. Used exotic car market is beyond way over valued, and resembles some sort of Alt coin.
You should make a top 10 most "reliable" exotic cars list! I think it would be interesting to a lot of people to see which exotic cars would be relatively easy to maintain
With a fat enough wallet everything is easy to maintain
Everthing Japanese (NSX, GTR), followed by American stuff like Corvette.
Porsche will top that list. Assuming you find Porsches exotic.
Add this to the list of things I do not care about.
@@GreenHellTube gtrs are not reliable
I have always felt the same way as you do about the California.
And the criticism of "You've got the cheap Ferrari" Is kind of like saying: "You're dating the least-educated Victoria secret model"
I want to date the dumbest one.
almost a good analogy, least educated victorias secret model is still an L tho, only old men and pretentious people would truly be interested in some hot girl with a lack of intelligence. something more like "i have the cheapest mansion in the neighborhood" would work better
No sane person would look at you 10 years ago and assume you were hurting because you’re driving the California and not the 599. The “poor man’s” argument doesn’t really apply anymore when you have a literal Ferrari. I always felt the criticism was from people who couldn’t afford either.
@@defyyourlogic487 I agree with this 100%, a few years ago I was hanging out with my Uncle who has many wealthy clients, and a real down to Earth rich guy had a California and it was a blast to drive and his take was "I was able to actually get one and drive it." He even let me drive it from Chino Hills down to Dana Point lmao. One of my favorite driving experiences.
@@home_taping Must’ve been something. I had the opportunity to drive a T down in SD back in 2017 but I chose the huracan instead. Maybe not quite a rocket like that car but I’m sure it would’ve been just as great of an experience. People hate on the California but I’d love to see them deny an opportunity with one up close.
Disagree on the LFA, it sounds amazing, only second to the CGT, I actually like how it looks AND its reliable because it's a Lexus!
And very much agree on the NSX and Vantage. Very very underrated cars.
I think he is just being a contrarian... I think he believes his opinion but is driven to the extreme by the Normie car enthusiast view.
I think you’re spot on about the “flappy paddle” era, especially as the manual premium continues to grow - “rising tide lifts all boats”
I want a Murcie and a few others from the 2000s in Manual, but they are so damn rare that Ive opened myself up to owning a Flappy paddle version if I ever get the chance to own one of the high end sports cars of the 2000s. And from what Ive seen on youtube, They arent that bad once you get used to it. Besides, they are a good way to get a good deal and should stay that way for a while as Manuals become more and more desired. But yes, eventually they'll cave and enjoy the Paddle shifts
When Doug says that the Maserati Cambiocorsa is a desirable transmission, I'll know he's gone off the edge.
I've been thinking this since the Doug video about that little cosworth-powered one seater he drove, with the paddle sequential transmission. I can't remember the name, but its my favorite car in Forza.
I'm waiting until we get down to "column shifters are such a rarity people are buying them for more"
He says flappy paddles are going to be cool, in the same video he moans about them, doesn't this sound ridiculous? While I agree they will become desirable, Doug comes out as not really sure whether he likes a car because of the value and hype or because he likes the driving.
I agree about the nsx. My next door neighbor came home with one one day and I can’t help but stare whenever I see it. Also surprising because it’s worth 15x more than any car I ever saw him in and he was smart in buying the nsx since the maintenance wouldn’t kill you and it’s fast as hell
Sorry in my opinion that interior is c*** for that price
Nsx is my first car in every forza i have that looks sick
I love the Lexus LFA. The idea of a company like Lexus who very rarely did any sporty cars coming out with an extremely fast reeving and incredible sounding 550hp V10 is insane to me and most other car people. I do think Doug downplays the performance a bit. 3.6 seconds to 60 in 2011-12 was amazing. Single clutches were still reasonably common on supercars as dual clutches couldn't handle that level of horsepower/torque yet.
However, pricing it at $375k new is the biggest thing that doomed it to failure. This is where I'll readily agree with you, Doug. An Audi R8 V10 of that era was $150k. Gallardo was $250k. You could get a goddamn base LP640 MURCIELAGO for *less* than the LFA at the time.
And the other thing Lexus didn't do right with the LFA is they made an excellent halo car to attract people to the brand, but then didn't offer more affordable sports car offerings to go along with that. Audi had the S/RS line to compliment the R8. Lexus had the IS-F which was an excellent sport sedan, but apart from that? Nothing else really.
The LFA was an excellent car in terms of engineering and performance but ultimately let down by its brand.
Yeah I'm really disappointed how much he put down the performance of the car especially for the time, especially since he gave some of the other cars a pass
Hit the nail on the head. One hundred percent it was the price tag. I think read somewhere that Lexus lost money even at the almost $400k price tag, as it was extremely expensive to produce these cars. But still, it’s not that suddenly regular people couldn’t afford this car that killed it, it was people that could buy any car they wanted. They’d probably laugh at the idea of paying almost $400k for a Lexus, when that’s well into super luxury or performance car prices. If they had somehow figured out to keep it around 150-200k, it probably would’ve done a lot better in their target market. Or even became accessible to more upper middle class buyers.
At least according to Lexus; They said when the LFA was new, they specifically chose the single clutch gearbox because 'it had more feel and engagement'.
They also apparently lost money on every LFA sold due to the R&D costs.
I think the bigger problem was the Nissan gtr, it was the main competition and did 2.9 for 90k
@@bigtuna3633 This for sure. Nissan GTR really embarrassed Toyota's supercar and stole all the press. Plus the C6 Z06 during the same time frame.
Sorry Doug, I'm with you on all the others, but the LFA one just doesn't fly. These cars were loved to bits way before the pandemic, and to me personally it is absolutely beautiful. Jeremy Clarkson (who is no stranger to taking an unpopular stand-point) said in 2013:
"If somebody offered me, the choice of any car that had ever been made, ever. I would take a dark blue LFA, that's how much I love this thing."
I cannot speak for the driving experience, obviously, and I 100% respect that you do not like it, that is a subjective thing. However, saying the LFA's popularity is just because people needed something to spend their money is to make a mockery of a genuinely loved piece of automotive history.
Doug is a car guy who doesn't know cars. I dont mean it in a bad way but I know he'd struggle changing a wheel on the side of the road. The LFA is an engineering marvel that was just too little too late.
The sound of the LFA alone makes it truly special. The low production number and fact they lost so much money on each model when initially offered makes it legendary. Not sure their is a better sounding car at any price to this day.
Let's not forget that the LFA was the fastest car around the Nurburgring Nordschliefe when it came out. The beauty of the LFA is in that everything is sorted out and that it's truly different and unique in the face of all that McLarens, Lamborghinis, Porsches, Ferraris etc.
Agreed but hes sorta right, besides what you mentioned and it just sounding great thats it. Its not that fast at all actually for the money its going for now you could get 100 better cars
It’s the best sounding tuned exhaust in super car existence also!
I love the LFA, beautyful underrated car !
You all are right. It’s a pretty looking badass v10 thats kinda fast but looks and sounds friggin amazing. Now crazy money ‘cause it’s cool.
@@ourfutureisdark well it was the fastest car on the Nürburgring for years 😂😂😂 so the gold standard for sportcars. How can you argue it isn't fast. Highway pulls aren't the benchmark lol
THE BIG LESSON AUTOMAKERS NEED TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE LFA ... For most people, the sound a car makes matters ... A LOT!! 👌👌
Well l agree that it matters, but A LOT would be stretching it. Lfa sounded great but didn't sell well.
Lmao - Doug - “Lexus LFA had awful transmission (f1 style single clutch) 3 minutes later Doug - “I think f1 style single clutch transmissions are going to be desirable and you are wrong about them”
I thought the same thing.
@@136Reid lmao what a clown take he had there
I noticed but then thought that maybe he meant desirable based on mechanical feel and not performance. I don’t know.
@@peter_shadow7559 nope I think he just had a brain fart lol
@@wolfalanj 😂😂 Possible
I remember driving the LFA in a recent Forza game (H4 I think) and they NAILED the V10 sound. The sound was really spine chillingly good. So much so that driving that car was an experience purely because every time you floor it, you get instant goosebumps from that sound.
That’s Forza. If Forza represents even 5 percent of what it feels like to kick an LFA on its tail, it’s one of the most spine chilling, extraordinary experiences money can buy. It doesn’t matter if it was a sales failure, the trans was suboptimal and it was a bit controversial, it’s all outweighed by that absolutely insane soundtrack. And if you ask me it looks beautiful, it’s aging well.
I think the LFA is one of the all time greats, it’s my poster when it came out as a teenager. I would wanna own one, purely because I could live with the flaws to enjoy that soundtrack.
Always loved the look of the Enzo when it came out, it looks very clean and sculpted. It kills me how this car is 20 years old now, it has aged better than anything else from the era! Still an all time great and one of my all time favourite cars!
when you drive one? you realize how poorly it drives, how it shifts, all the bumps, squeaks, and rattles. Especially compared to new Ferrari's
@@capo_di_capi you've driven one?! how, because i really want to!
I disagree, I think there are a number of super cars in that era that look better today. I'd say the Murcielago, Veyron, DBS and Carrera GT all look better. Of course this all subjective because it opinion.
Nah, The Murcie's have aged beautifully. As a 90s kid and a fan of cars from the 2000s(as well as the decade), I think the Enzo is still cool. But the look is not my thing, and has actually became less appealing over time. However, It is very much a 2000s era design. The 2000s were a very strange decade. Full of quirkiness, loud and over the top. I think the Carrera GT and SLR, along with the F430 and 599 of the era look and have aged far better. But the Enzo did age well considering its very "out there" design.
@@capo_di_capi Yah, not a car to drive but def one to look at🔥🤘
LFA is something you can't even find anymore Because the people that own them don't even want to sell. Great video.
Contents and timestamps:
1:45 Ferrari California, original.
3:00 Acura NSX current gen
4:22 Ferrari 348
6:19 Lexus LFA (the only negative opinion by doug, who incorrectly thinks it sucks. It's one of the best track performers of its time, and the noise really is what people pay for)
9:00 Ferrari Enzo
11:06 late 90s and early 2000s sequential manual transmissions?? right after he bashed the LFA's slow shifting sequential manual at 8:07 lmao
12:34 Aston Martin Vanquish (2003 i.e Die Another Day)
...sigh, the SLS wasn't on this list. People dismiss that car so much but it's so nice. lol
I was about to disagree with u abt the lfa, but after re-checking the fact: yeah its one of the best in its era.
(The lfa with Nurburgring pack)
This thing left lambo superleggeras and 458s like its nothing on the nordschleife
"and the noise really is what people pay for" - You know they couldnt sell them for years?
Noise and all is great for enthusiast but people who actually could buy that car were not interested.
People in comments really cannot handle the truth
The LFA never had rave reviews during its era because like Doug said (and I usually don’t agree with him) the car was just an amazing engine inside a relatively lackluster car and it’s performance for dollar was awful. Jeremy Clarksons calling it the best car in the world is a result of his controversial, go against the grain type of opinion that he had on many cars over the years and although the 911 has pretty much been the darling of the automotive journalist, he has always hated it 🤦🏻♂️
@@cyjanek7818 Neither could Mclaren sell the F1, no?
You are doing the Lord's work.
Two things here: I’m actually inclined to agree on this list, particularly with the LFA: the biggest issue I had as a kid when the LFA was shown was the front end styling, which I never felt matched the msrp (especially as the, honestly better looking, frs/brz came in with similar forms) second, really happy to hear mention of the mechanical nature/feel of early sequential “flappy-paddle” gearboxes for years I thought perhaps I was simply imaging it as they were fiercely derided (and fair, many are slow, clunky, and restrictive) but there always seemed at least a taste of that mechanical connection that a true manual provided
The LFAs flaws give it character imo
I got so sad when he said the LFA... Big rip
I'm not surprised he doesn't understand the LFA. You need to appreciate the finer details in engineering, engine technology, and chassis design to appreciate the LFA fully. Doug is more of a "ooo car goes fast and looks cool" kinda car guy...
And even with the high price, Lexus still lost money on each one. Maybe Doug forgot a few things since his LFA review.
There may have been questionable business decisions from Lexus with regards to selling similar cars at the same time, but the LFA shouldn't be shit on for that.
I would rather have an LFA than any thing you mentioned. It looks amazing and how can you beat the sound of it??
"Over the last year, everyone has money because of stimulus checks..." - Yeah, Doug I don't think anybody was pushed over the edge to buy an exotic car by $1-2K.
Agreed, absolutely no one who qualified for a stimulus check is buying a $400k car and anyone who used PPP money for one is a criminal
^ This. I like Doug, but he's clearly super out of touch.
Yeah I mean in my head I went out and put a down payment on a used Bugatti... when I got the checks, but in reality, like 90% of us, our bills went "lol feed us"
I mean, that depends on how poor your financial decisions are. Repos are on the rise, there’s no way at least a couple of those weren’t financed from a couple of stimulus checks saved up, which then stopped rolling in. Remember, a lot of idiots thought lockdowns and masks were permanent. Still unlikely, but possible.
@@2001chevycamaross thank you for getting it
I listen to Doug because Doug is from the future.
As a Ferrari enthusiast I can honestly say that I would buy a California T. When Ferrari 'fixed' everything wrong with the California for the 2015 T, it then respectably served as Ferrari paying homage to the original 250.
The LFA's main point of attraction is that as supercar as it is, LEXUS is reliable!
People thought it would suck because as you said: Lexus doesn't know how to build a supercar, but then word got out that the car is worthy of being among the best of them.
Paying that much money is justified for a car that can easily be a daily driver for its owner because of how reliable Lexus is.
When you have enough money to buy a 375k car, then you shouldn’t be caring about expensive repair bills. And supercars are more of a weekend car, they aren’t your daily driver, so trying to say that the LFA is good because you can drive it daily is pointless. I know that LFA fanboys are going to rip me in half but still LFA is overrated
The support from Lexus is off of the chart.
Being from a brand known for reliability does not automatically make it a reliable car.
If you think the LFA is reliable or that anyone is buying them because of the perception that Japanese = reliable, you’re a dunce.
Also the LFA isn’t a daily driver whatsoever, anyone that has driven a car with a single clutch automated manual can attest to that (BMW SMG, Ferrari F1 come to mind.)
The LFA doesn't have cup holders
I really like the LFA. I get what you are saying about some of the reasons why it doesn't "deserve" the praise it's getting. And some of that may be true, with artificially inflated demand, as you mentioned. But it also has one of those 6-speed automated manual transmissions, which is one of the things you said you think will become more desirable. So it's somewhat contradictory, a little bit. I think if you tried the LFA Nurburgring edition, you may change your mind on it. Can we get a review of that?
I think its more special for being a car with an infinite budget, which almost never happens
I agree with everything you said except LFA and Aston Martin , LFA looks amazing and the Aston Martin looks mid
Doug's perspective on good value is always interesting as he's playing in a very different league than myself. My most expensive vehicle to date was a 2015 Mazda 3 6-speed that I paid $9K for two years ago. Granted, I recognize that the $40K-$70K Vanquish is affordable relative to other high performance cars as opposed to what the average American can afford.
And then imagine the running costs 😊
Lol, I see all these car youtubers as aspirational. "It's an affordable exotic car. It only costs $250000"
I don't think I've ever seen someone complain about the Enzo's looks, at least not in the last 10 years
Also I like the the LFA's "terrible transmission" was such a drawback but the egear and F1 cars are "mechanical" feeling lol
I caught that too regarding the two transmission comments haha
Ya I found Doug to be contradicting a little bit. Sure I am a Lexus luxury/realibility fan, sure I LOVE LFA, but I don't shy from saying it's a ugly super car. It's one of those cars I love because it's ugly; the mechanical transmission, the sound, the ridiculous V10 puts the car on the pedestal for me
Probably in the minority but I’ve never liked how the Enzo looks. It’s weirdly square and boxy which looks nothing like the other Ferraris at the time. I think it’s plain ugly tbh.
@@denissacaliuc7975 I agree! I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder (and all that cliched stuff), but I think it's the ugliest car that Ferrari ever made.
those F1 transmissions are literally 15 years older, though.
Glad to see the Enzo and semi auto gearboxes getting some love since they were such iconic parts of the 2000s auto industry
The Enzo has aged gracefully. It's a beautiful design and really is a fantastic mesh of the F40 and F50 in its looks.
Nah, I wouldn't say it looks like the F40 or F50
Is more close to a mix of a LeMans car and an F1
It does look an step above from both F40 and F50
I always loved the Ferrari California
Nah, it did not age well. But its very much of the 2000s. Which in all honesty, was a very weird decade.
@@joshuakhaos4451 Certain cars from the 2000's don't tend to age well, doesn't only apply to supercars and sport cars however, also a lot of luxury cars and ordinary cars as well. the E-Class W211 didn't aged well in om opinion. The 2000's was not a great decade for automotive, but was great for other stuff.
100% agree, F40 F50 and Enzo are a perfect Trio.
La Ferrari can stay in the warehouse.
The issue with the original California is that ugly rear-end, and the clunky automatic gearbox. The California T fixed those issues, mostly, while upping the performance with turbos and bigger brakes, and it became a great car. This is especially true considering it's ~30-40% cheaper to maintain than the mid-engined F430 or 458, while obviously being more practical as a daily driver. 90% of the performance at 2/3 the price, while being ~3x more practical? What's not to love? It's a fantastic used car buy at its FMV.
It was cool to hear your thoughts on different exotic cars, do "Trucks & SUVs you're wrong about" next
Same for sports cars as well.
Same for minivans as well.
Same for compacts as well
Same for riding lawnmowers as well
Same for motorcycles as well
The LFA love is from 2 things: V10 and Jeremy Clarkson's love for it.
Ironically, some of these "people hate this car" is also a Clarkson thing.
Lol they looked at Doug and went, “Nevermind. We’re not letting this goober drive this thing.”
He's talking about cars that people are wrong about, what on earth are you referencing? I think you're on the wrong video.
@@NeitouSama He's talking about 10:25
@@tannergolden1767 yeah, I already know that they're referencing that Australian dealership that didn't let Doug drive the Enzo. But that's literally like so irrelevant to this video.
These trolls are just never gonna let this die.
"ha ha ha, you run a successful UA-cam channel, a successful business and review cars in the multi million dollar range, that I couldn't even fathom affording an insurance policy to do. Nor would any dealership even give me the time of day to do that anyways, but because there was one time you ran into an issue, wherein you were disallowed the permission to drive a car to complete the review of it.
Because the dealership didn't let you, I'm going to insert what their reasons could've been, based on nothing but my own opinion. And continue to bring it up at any opportunity. Because my meaningless existence, perpetuates itself when I try to make a mockery of successful people".
Pathetic.
That LFA comment completely blind sided me lol, considering watching how you were so mind blown & in awe of it during your LFA review
I’ve never driven a vanquish but I could forgive it a lot of things for its looks. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what you’re saying Doug, granted I’ve not driven all of the cars, but never saw the draw of the Lexus and always loved the 348!
Growing up I remember seeing the Enzo being the next big thing. The styling just stood out like a knife in draw full of spoons. Seeing an Enzo on the streets is like seeing a real life Power Ranger at Walmart. May not be everyones taste but it's a spark that lights the fire within. I've always loved them, they're just bananas in all the best ways imo.
It’s a nice list. I feel the Aston Martin Rapide would also be up there. It is exotic, V12 with 4 doors and actually usable rear seats.
Lol. You ever sat in the back of one? “Usable” is a strong word.
Lol… yes sir I have. I even put a car seat in the back with my 2 year old in it. Tell me another one that you can do that.
The LFA is like a super Supra. The fanboy dedication to it is almost unmatched in the car world.
i still love the LFA and i think it looks so good, something about that backend with the wing...
Hell yeah I’m gonna use my $1,200 stimulus check to buy an LFA! 😂
I was thinking the same 😂 like damn I didn’t know that’s all it took
I think his argument was that the stimulus checks boosted purchases and that gave business owners lots more money to spend.
I respectfully disagree on the LFA. lol It’s epic! Another amazing video nonetheless.
I think it’s an amazing car but it definitely was a fail on lexus’ part, not worth the money
I loved the LFA as a kid when it came out. I was elementary school age, and the fact that it was this ultra luxurious hot wheels looking thing got me pumped. I love the car because it was my favorite the year it came out and you can say what you want about it but it will always be up there for me.
no one came here hoping to find out if the LFA was your fav car we truly couldn't care any less
@@slowery43 dude, I think u should see a doctor!
@@slowery43 who shat on your cereal
the LFA was your generations McLaren F1, or like with me I was too young to know the F1 when it came out, but when the Saleen S7 came out, that was my jam. Before that was the Twin Mill.
For the sound alone the LFA is worth it.
The only thing said about the LFA I disagree with is that I think the exterior styling is nice, but there's no accounting for tastes.
The lexus LFA take hit me in the heart 😭
Kinda seems like Doug is salty the LFA’s been getting love in ways the NSX hasn’t yet lol. Both great cars that failed as Halo cars.
“Everyone’s got a lot of cash right now”
Doug what are you smoking
Everyone that has the money to buy supercars. The fact that we as a society have been duped into thinking the public needs to let the rich stay rich, to provide our own jobs.........
All of the 1% who can afford super cars have a lot of cash right now.
He has become very arrogant after he created Cars & Bids imo.
Doug clearly has his heart on an LFA and is trying hard to get their values down.
“Exotic cars you’re wrong about”
*I can’t afford one*
I’m right about that ☝🏽
"You're" being the demographic Doug associates with. ie Yuppy snooby rich assholes. Who the hell looks down on a Ferrari California other than rich assholes who can afford the more expensive ones? It's literally a 6 figure car still.
What strikes me is, the Lexus LFA's V10 seems to be one of the few (if any) street legal V10 at the optimal number of degrees (72). Does anyone know why that is? I know the reason most V10s are 90 degrees is cause they're V8-derived, but the Carrera GT's V10, also presumably purpose built, is 68 degrees. The real question is, why is THAT? There must be a deliberate reason, I guess having it at a slightly "wrong" angle must have some sort of advantage?
My guess is something to do with balancing, here is video I found very interesting explaining it for a V5 motorcycle engine: /watch?v=XjwTPY_fwKM I guess the concept could be applies to other engines like the V10 you're asking about.
The Enzo gearbox can be remap to the same spec of the 599 GTO the faster change of gears from the single clutch era! Is from 2002 and still gorgeous, without the electronic limiter it can reach over 380km/h without problems
599's are one of my favorite Ferraris ever. I would love to have one eventually.
No one buy a Vanquish! Until I do. That car in person is more beautiful and exotic looking than pics or video show. The refined muscular look from all angles under appreciated.
You are right about people buying LFA cuz they can not afford more expensive exotics however, the story behind the car is what makes it appealing to petrol heads like me whom can not afford neither
Totally agree about the new NSX. I've always thought it was underrated.
LFA has been my favorite car since it’s release. Not sure exactly what it is about the styling but I think it’s beautiful
Doug is the type of guy to wear sandals to a party
With shorts of course
@@walterwhite2335 cargo shorts
doug the type of guy to read the owner’s manual to his kid as a bedtime story
@@walterwhite2335 nah with jeans
Again ?
People need to stop with this shit!
Doug is the type of guy who ...
This was funny 5/6 years ago
Doug: I look forward to arguing with everyone in the comments below.
Everyone in Comments: We agree with everything you are saying
I had a 1995 Ferrari 348 spider and LOVED it! And it got just as many looks as any newer Ferrari. I loved it and people loved to see it!
And it’s really easy to work on because there’s so much space in the engine bay.
I miss more Doug DeMuro because a lot of this content shows up on my recommendations, and I don't care about most of the stuff in this form factor. When I ignore it, it means UA-cam shows me less Doug stuff in general, so next month I'll get a video that was uploaded sometime in November or December that youtube will be like, "well he didn't like Doug then, but maybe he will now."
The sound of the LFA engine is what sells. Many other things can be a let-down, but all of that is worth to have the greatest sounding car engine ever.
And it was also really fast around track, especially with the Nurburgring package.
I agree the California is way better than people give it credit for. But it’s styling is so bulky and awkward. The front end is dainty, it’s too tall for its width and the rear end is massive with so many vertical lines. And it’s 3,900 lbs.
Doug's take on the LFA is embarrassingly bad. Like so bad to the point where it takes away his credibility as a reviewer. I get that it's overhyped and overvalued, but if you know ANYTHING about cars you know it is an engineering masterpiece which will never happen again in the modern era.
Also, the 1st gen Ferrari California drives terribly.
LFA is an incredible car with incredibly complicated engineering. It is the perfect drivers car. The communication with a tacitle felling too it feels incredible. You are incredibly connected to the car and the insane throttle response from the Yamaha f1 derived v10 tuned by Yamahas sound team makes the car so clean and nice to drift. Every single bolt, stalk or part of that car is from Japan and is only on the LFA. No other toyota/lfa share parts with the LFA. 65% of the car is also carbon Fibre. Also people forget the Nurburing edition LFA took the nurburing record from the record holder that year the gt2rs. Also I love the styling that's personal opinion. I love how Japanese supercary it is and people that don't know cars don't know how special it is. I love the interior with its gauge closer all its unique parts and really clean stalks for turning signals. The interior/exterior is intirely unique to any other lexus model.
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I would rock a 348, especially a built one with an exhaust- I saw a yellow modded one driving once and it was epic. Enzo - epic; LFA- even though the concept looked better still epic bc you can have fun just listening to it!
Totally agree with the LFA. It just sounds good, that's it. Everything else it offered, other cars did for like $60-$100k when it came out lol
I grew up with the Enzo as the Ferrari halo car. If I had the money, I genuinely can't think of any car I'd rather buy. Even over the Carrera GT, and I'm a Porsche fan. The size of the car, the na V12, and carbon tub, it's just incredible
I think if the new NSX was simply named something other than the NSX, it would be way more popular. I think people are comparing it way too often with the original NSX, which is obviously a very hard reputation to live up to what with the original's cult status. And that's not me saying it doesn't live up to the original's reputation, I like the new one just as much. I do have to disagree with you on many of the things you said about the LFA however, especially in the looks department.
Thanks for the video Doug. I love what you say about the NSX. In my opinion this car will become what the LFA is today. Neglected today but highly desired in a few years
You're right. It's a more affordable Porsche 918 unfortunately when that car came out. It wasn't what the Honda enthusiasts asked for hence why it's "cheap" but in 6-8 years it will def shoot up in value
Except it doesn't have the amazing N/A engine... which is the primary reason the LFA is lauded, and makes their driving character completely incomparable. Not to mention the NSX is too heavy and not as rare as the LFA.
@@wesd991 The 918 is lighter with a naturally aspirated V8...
Yeah I like the new NSX. It looks exotic, performs like one and being that Honda reliability is a big plus. I mean you can go to the honda dealer to get parts and most parts like starters, and basic mechanical parts will be affordable as much as a Honda Accord. Kind of like the Corvette. It is exotic and most parts are just Chevy parts. Yeah they both have unique parts that will be pricey, but the NSX will be reliable.
@@EEvtg What I love about the NSX is that it is a hybrid. There is not many that tried to be sporty. The electro gives it an amazing acceleration, but only until the turbo finally kicks in. Love that concept
Ouch, that Lfa comment LOL. I see mob with torches and pitch forks heading to Doug's house now. I think it's a beautiful car. Beauty can be pretty subjective though as we all know. I still love you Doug LOL
LFA only really comes alive in long sweeping turns at higher speeds, if you didn't do that, you wouldn't like it. Issimi's video captured that
"It has an interior similar to every other Lexus" How is that a bad thing? Lexus does great quality interiors and the LFA is the best of them all with the moving dial and the aluminium paddles.
love these list videos doug! keep it up!
Dougie I'm glad you shat on the LFA. Hopefully the market takes you seriously and they depreciate to the point i can afford one
I love the NSX. Probably my favourite supercar and one I would definitely buy if given the opportunity
They are BEAUTIFUL in person. Pictures & videos don't do it justice.
I have a 1996 NSX T. I supercharged it and added cold air intake and improved exhaust. Gave the car plenty of pop which was the main complaint. Hope you find one.
@@Cincy32 I agree completely! Took my wife's Civic to our local honda dealer to get it serviced and they had two NSX's on display. In person it's a really beautiful thing, so much presence and the proportions are just perfect. Shame that at £160k they were a bit above my budget, but still a man can dream.
I generally agree with Doug, especially about single clutch automatic transmissions. I still prefers manuals but they are more engaging than dual clutches and conventional auto. And this will become more important as internal combustion engines are phasing out.
I think its pretty cool you make vids like these because the vast majority of the public doesn’t get to experience these cars & you give like a normal persons perspective
I agree about the transmissions. I had the original DSG transmission in my first gen Audi TT 3.2 and the feeling was super mechanical and quite satisfying!
And yes, the C8 is an exotic car overseas 😉
Nope
Yes
The Z06 is exotic at home with only 200 or so built so far
LF-A is a Z8 of it's time. No one wanted Z8 for a long time either
Love your videos Doug.
(I can't find this already being said, so) Doug: LFA transmission is awful. Also Doug: Flappy paddle, single clutch transmission will one day be very desirable!! 🤨🤨
Thanks for the Sunday video, Doug! Merry Christmas, brother. Much love to you and yours from our family.
Sounds like the gist of it is, sometimes, when people are disappointed with cars, or the cars have one or two flaws, they tend to write them off as "Bad Cars", when that's not the case at all. Some of them can actually be pretty great, when you accept them for what they are!
I've always loved the Ferrari California such a beautiful car. And it seems like something you could drive every day
Me to, but I never liked the California T that succeeded it. It had weird looking headlights and the twin turbo V8 Ferrari’s sound just awful the whole lot (except the F40 but that was a whole different era)
Agreed. And surely it's not worth paying triple the price of a California to get into a 458 Spider.
I think the LFA looks great outside, I love the flat butt and the sound alone almost trumps everything, but I do see where you're coming from with the price, didn't realize they are going for that much now
Doug is the type of guy to put rock salt on his driveway when it rains
Glad that the Doug type of guy thing stopped getting 1000s of likes.
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@@sivildisobedience I come here to discuss a car, not read unoriginal jokes. It might be a good shitpost if it was original; but it’s not.
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I've driven the new NSX and it was absolutely awesome, easily the best daily supercar
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Big disagree on the Lexus LFA, as you correctly predicted lol
The engineering that went into that car is a marvel, I think the design looks great and it’s a very sexy look, the sound is incredible and the fit and finish are second to none. It was definitely overpriced and poorly marketed but I always thought it was a fantastic halo car for the Lexus brand. I would absolutely choose one over any of the others you mentioned you could buy for the same money
The issue mainly is overpricing. The LFA isn't just that special and exciting to be selling for well over half a million dollars. It is a nicely thought out and well designed car, but to me it just feels a lot like a better and reliable Audi r8
The more mechanical/analog it feels, the more I enjoy the driving experience👍
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Especially now that Acura made a new Type S NSX, thats my dream car. I absolutely loved it when it came out, and the Type S has everything I'd want. I think they just timed it horribly. I think if the NSX came out now or in a year or two it'd have a lot more appeal (now that almost everyone is doing hybrid performance cars in the near future), especially if they could upgrade the electric portion of the drivetrain for some more power and range.
But overall the biggest issue was price, and no way in hell they'd be able to fix that given the current global economy and whatnot. $170k+ for "just an NSX" is a pretty fair thought IMO.
The naming is also a point of contention, maybe if they had made a cheaper, less powerful base trim NSX and then a real performance trim (something along the lines of C8 and C8 Z06 is what I'm imagining) maybe they could've justified an almost $200k price point, and have made more sales of a hypothetical base trim to boost recognition and development. Its a real shame it died right after I graduated college and not in 5-10 years when I'll have the money :P
Doug is the type of guy that plays with the dimmer switch in the bathroom a little too much.
Doug is the type of guy that marks the dimmer switches with masking tape to the exact brightness he needs, that way he doesn't waste any
I'm supprised that he roasted LFA for looking every other Lexus while praising NSX for being beautiful even though it looks like every other Acura.
Doug should like the LFA. At Nürburgring, also racing one of those rare LF-A endurance race car, Akio Toyoda met Aston Martin's former President and fellow race entrant Ulrich Bez. After racing was done, with the best ranked LF-A only at 14th place, both CEOs decided to build the Aston Martin Cygnet together.
An entire video devoted to hot takes that go against the norm? Brave, Doug. Brave. I mean your opinions on most of these is blatantly wrong, but still gotta commend the bravery.
LFA diehards will be coming with pitchforks
LFAs are kinda eh to me. I do like them, and it is easily the best exhaust note in the industry, but I have to agree with the price and other qualities. Too expensive, not incredibly fast, and OK styling.
I totally agree with you about the LFA, it’s way overhyped, not that great looking and I don’t even think the exhaust note deserves the hype it gets
you can get a used BMW M5/M6 V10 with good exhausts, repair the typical engine defects and save a ton of money
I think it’s a really attractive car. And I think the exhaust is really amazing. I liked it when it was new and then I think everyone started liking it and I’ll agree it’s maybe getting too much hype. I think the fact Lexus made it is awesome. It’s not slow 0-60 in 3.6. Fastest on the Nurburgring at the time. Transmission was not that bad compared to all the other trannys at the time
As a person lucky enough to experience a lfa it doesn't surprise me that Doug thinks it is overrated. This car is more than a great sounding engine, it is the chassis and balance. It was for years the fastest car on Nürburgring, even with the transmission. If you use cars to impress other people than being impressed of a car than it makes sense to dislike the lexus supercar. There are a lot of people, who call them "car guy" because they can use a manual. Mandatory in most of the countries other than USA...
If you look in the comments under any LFA video the overwhelming majority are about the sound and that seems to be why people like it so much... But I think people often forget in its time the LFA was really fast. It had the Nuremberg track record. Its handling and grip are often overlooked I think... Along with the engineering that went into the chassis, engine and whatever else. The LFA shouldn't be dumbed down to "no dual clutch, good sound"
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They simply are not worth the money in the era of the C8 series pretty much at all. There is not only a performance metric but a cool car factor, and GM obliterated it. A Ferrari California vs a C8 Stingray? You literally have to be so enamored with things from Italy to even consider Ferraris offer over a Stingray any day of the week. Most of the exotics mentioned have used prices that are hilarious. Used exotic car market is beyond way over valued, and resembles some sort of Alt coin.
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