Very, very clever indeed. Whether it's too clever depends on the quality of the engineering... one point about chemicals that everyone seems to forget is concentration i.e. the bottles may be the same size but that doesn't mean they have the same amount of nasties in, unless we have a full chemical analysis (unlikely if there's a patent) then we just don't know. I suspect that was Thetford's point about having the same impact over 4 weeks compared to domestic loo chemicals i.e. the volume of indus chemicals may indeed be much more but if they contain less nasties per ml then it could be comparable to the volumes of loo cleaner, rim blocks, etc. used domestically by the average (likely not septic tank owning, environmentally conscious) person. Non green chemicals are a major, major issue though as lots of us have switched to formaldehyde free, green only, 100% of the time, septic tanks or not. My own feeling is that we're about to see the options diverge massively. Blades, cassettes, etc. are a minor innovation really from bucket and chuck it but feels like we're about to see revolution via a split to super hi-tech i.e. indus type systems vs super low tech - composting or waste burning dry toilets and hyper water saving e.g. some really clever grey water recycling/filtering for showers ideas out there amongst makers :) very few low tech solutions out there commercially at the moment though; I guess it's a low profit margin game at that end of the market... As to being tied to Thetford for refills, really annoying for the consumer but who can blame them given how much investment must have gone into inventing this system, all the development work THEN convincing manufacturers to try it. They've got to be assured a return somehow otherwise they don't have a business; it's Rolls Royce's power by the hour concept or printers and ink cartridges all over again, mind you it's easy to replace your printer to a new system if the manufacturer starts taking he micky... not so much for jet engines or indus systems ;-)
I think that the most impressive thing about the indus system is, that finally, Thetford have managed to create a toilet that has a flush that goes all the way around the bowl. Instead of going half way and then dying out :)
The secret to a good flush is to clear (or remove) the mesh filter in front of the flush solenoid, and to turn a tap on just a tiny bit before flushing, so that the water pump is already at full pressure.
What loo do you have Ian? If it's a manual flush C200 then there's a plastic clip that can break off the bottom of the pump that means it still flushes but is very weak. Let me know and I'll reply with more info.
This system seems to be closer to the holding tank system in most US RVs. One hose to empty both gray and black, black first with a rinse from the grey tank, except it’s more complicated and more expensive with the proprietary chemicals. And it eliminates the main convenience of a cassette, which you can empty in a number of different places, including a regular toilet.
Interesting system, but I’ll stick with my composting toilet. It uses only a little bit of vinegar, and I can go 6 to 8 weeks before emptying the solids… 🙂 Thanks for the video!
Thanks for a very informative video as always, as a plumber I have an absolute hate of macerators and as such would not want to take one on holiday with me, This is far to complicated and as your van ages will cause no end of heartache Remember KISS keep it simple Many thanks
My thoughts too. The cassette is VERY versatile when in need, and very little to go wrong: also I trust my mechanical sympathy more than all that electric flap nonsense. Also my cassette works even with 0 power.
Very impressive and as a disabled person I can see the advantages. I only hope in future they might be able to design something similar for towing caravans.
I can see the advantage for you but unless you’re on a super pitch, you would only be able to stay at a MH friendly site with the MH emptying point, unless you use what Andy said was available, a wheeled container, which would put you back to square one with a cassette? Emptying a mixed waste system would require quite a few trips?
Absolutely fantastic. Should open lots of options in other areas and vehicles like yachts. Once the support and accessories come online we should be off an running. The emptying hose and unit is the 'Jobby Cannon' !
Thank you Andrew for the review 🙂 Good tip for the toilet paper in the bowl 👍 I love the way you say "élégance" Andrew .your french accent is very good 👍 Big kisses from France 🇨🇵
Andrew, I very much enjoy the presentation in your videos. Your videos are a fantastic resource for prospective motorhome buyers. That said, and please do not take offence, these informational videos are just too long. Reviewing a product like this shouldn’t have to take over a half-hour. I still watch your videos because they are good but if I were to come across an interesting topic from an unknown youtuber, I’d be very hesitant to even play the video if it’s so long. 15 minutes is a more reasonable time. Just something you may wish to consider in the future. Best wishes!
Andrew, I very much enjoy the presentation in your videos. Your videos are a fantastic resource for prospective motorhome buyers. These informational videos are just the right length. Reviewing a product like this needs a considered and detailed video which may well take over a half-hour. I watch your videos because they are good but if I were to come across an interesting topic from an unknown youtuber, I’d be very hesitant to even play the video if it’s so long since they don't have your depth of knowledge, repartee or bonhomie. Best Wishes!
I like the long videos, I guess people have different opinions - which is good, what I would say though is that Andrew has thoughtfully created and named chapters, so one could quite easily skip those that aren’t (in somebody’s opinion) relevant.
Thanks. To be fair to you, had I not had the trouble with breakages and failures, and had I had the motorhome for a longer time, I might have been able to make a more concise video. But shorter and more concise needs a lot of planning and scripting - two things I just did not have the time to do on this occasion. This is why I put chapters in the description. Thanks for watching.
All great stuff and excellent video. For me the downside is when we get home that final cassette goes down the loo. I’d have no drain to empty the Indus system into so I’d have to leave it to ‘stew’ until my next visit to a site!
Not septic tank friendly would be a big problem here in the US. Many rural camp grounds use septic tanks. In fact, they are restrictive on the waste water from some portable systems we have here. And the fact that you can't just do a grey water dump to extend your time in that case. The first thing I would do is order a spare set of chemicals. Those bottles don't look too big. But the No Septic Tanks is a deal breaker for me.
I would certainly not buy a motorhome with this system. Here's why: 1. Too much to go wrong. Macerators are notoriously unreliable in buildings. I can't image they're better in a motorhome. Even the ISS has macerator issues! 2. I don't go to places where there is a black waste disposal point within reach of a short hose. Grey waste, rarely. Black waste: only on Aires in Europe. 3. There's no need. A toilet cassette lasts us four days with two people using it (tip: flush the absolute minimum). A 48 litre Really Useful box in the boot holds the spare cassette. So we can manage 8 days between empties. And the water and grew waste tank are both good for a fortnight. 4. All those chemicals! One sachet of bio laundry liquid is good for a cassette. That's the only chemical we use, apart from a couple of 2-litre bottles of cheap diet coke to rinse out the grey waste tank once a year. So we can empty the grey waste down any drain, empty the black waste down any toilet or sewerage manhole. 5. It's all too much to go wrong, more stuff using precious power, more unnecessary weight. The whole concept reminds me of the con of inkjet printer cartridges where you pay eye-watering prices for miniscule amounts of ink. With this, you're locked in to buying Thetford bottle of chemicals. Though I suspect that adding a "top up" hole (with a screw lid) to each of those cartridges will be one of the first things some people will do. This system seems to be a step in the wrong direction for me.
@@CliffordDive tipping dilute sewage into a grey waste drain is not going to be acceptable. I'm sure Thetford claim that it is treated waste, but the precautionary principle applies.
@@CliffordDive oh, I suspect that if they get a good share of the £30 per month (a pound a day!) it's reputed to cost, I expect they'll overcome their scruples.
@@iainathairydog Agreed, esp. as it's not septic tank safe (= very nasty chemicals). Way too much to go wrong, even the flap is electric. Also impossible to empty without moving the van. It's a complex disaster, and what's with the smart phone?!?! A small LCD would be cheap and easy.
Andrew, thanks for the shoutout. A very informative "bog vlog". It looks like a great system removing the walk of shame....well almost, you said there was a wheelie bin to come. By my reckoning it will need to huge, or maybe they are in talks with colapz. Maybe they can make it smaller if you/we can interrupt the "download" mode. I still love. If I didn't then I wouldn't buy a motorhome with one fitted. 👍🖖🏴🏴🏴
Loving the fact that you need to “log” on to the app……how apt….👍🇮🇲😂. Thetford missed a trick, , their advert for the app, should be “ Swipe to wipe” ……lol 😂😂😂
Hi Andrew, There is also the extra cost to factor in. I suppose it could be said that if you can afford the rig you can afford to run it. However if you have spent your “life savings” on the motor home and you’ve the extra cost of the fluid , postage and packing if you are abroad could be a dealbreaker if you have no other way of sanitising your setup. All the best to you and yours.Rab
Hello, hello, hello and hello 👋!! Been really looking forward to watching this one and learning more about the Indus system. You were very thorough as always Andrew, good work and thank you, it was very interesting to see. 👍👍👍
Hmm 🤔 I like the idea of going longer without having to empty, but not sure about the chemicals. Like you, I only eco or home-made products. As usual, very informative and balanced review 👍🏻
Think this going to be a marmite situation.. but 2 things that worry me..1.. that plunger moved under pressure when emptying.. what if it toppled over? 2. As you said you can get a wheeled tank if you don't want to move the motor home.. can you imagine the size that would be( you can't just syphon a little off) so the whole system needs emptying.. try carting that to the chemical waste lol.. another "Wilheim Crapper" vid that super interesting and informative.. cheers guys!! Looking forward to the next.
Andrew. I have been following you for a very long time. You are very honest and extremely fair in your surveys. However the point I wish to make is in no way criticising you. But the toilet system! 1. Far to complicated.2. Very expensive to run.3.macerators are very unreliable! I cannot imagine the problems that users will have when abroad ! I can imagine the owners carrying a porta potti in case of trouble! It would be interesting to see a price list for parts and a guarantee?
Let me first give compliments for those who try to make water systems in the campervan industry more efficient. So what Thetford is doing, is much appreciated. And i do love the idea of saving freshwater, by flushing toilet with grey water. And i also do like the idea of emptying the grey and black at the same time. But with the toilet you simply do not save that much water to stay longer off grid. Bigger black, grey, and fresh tanks do make you stay longer off grid. Showers are using the most amount of water and energy (warm water), and the toilet is using the least amount of water. Thetford or other manufacturers could better focus on a filtration system that makes from grey water, freshwater, so you can use the same water multiple times. These system exist on sailing yachts, so its not something that doesn’t exist. Its just still to big for a small campervan. Thanks for the video
excellent review. great t-shirt. it all seems a bit cumbersome and expensive (on the other hand, if one can afford this motorhome ...) but it is an innovative system and it will either develop or flop. also, it kind of makes me appreciate the simplicity of my 'porta potti' (Fiamma Bi-Pot 30) under the dinette-bed of my completely toiletless Freedom Caravan. ;o) ... but yeah, apples an pears, obviously.
This is almost a classic MBA business case. How to tie your customers into a premium product. For me the reuse of water is excellent, would be good to see something in the caravan line similar. But to be tied to one supplier given they could stop providing the chemicals at any point or double the price is risky.
Reuse of water? I use my water showering and washing up, washing veg. Very very little gets used in the loo, the whole cassette is about 1 10L watering can - not a problem.
@@G-ra-ha-m Hey Graham, what I meant was that in a normal caravan, you take potable water through your aquaroll into the shower & sink and back into a wastemaster. My comment wouldn't it be good if the waste water in the wastermaster could somehow feed the loo. I take your point about being only a small capacity for the loo, but if we are to attack climate change and be more green reuse of grey water I think is something to be looked into. Best wishes
@@I_Was_Chrispy_Kreme Climate is dictated by the Sun, I doubt using 10L of extra water will affect that :D. But I agree about being green, I always use bio safe products in the loo, and of course avoid fluoride toothpaste, which is highly toxic and ends up on grey water. Overall, I think the huge number of things to go wrong with this system render it unfeasible: when you press a button and nothing happens... all the problems suddenly become very real :))
ANDREW,,, HALOOOO, long time, THETFORD, I know of but not this system, The best ‘PORTO POTTY. there is someone I follow, was comparing toilets., so there he sat out in the OPEN SITTING ON IT,showing how it works , prior , had a HYMER AKTIV 2.0 with a cassette . Stay well, take care, cheers 🏴🏴🇬🇧🏴🇺🇸
How much does the Indus system add weight wise to the MH as oppose to a normal cassette toilet. I do go on extended 2 month plus trips so having to carry all the extra chemicals is going take a huuuge (matron) chunks out of my payload. Does this also mean I have carry grey waste all the time instead of doing the normal emptying before setting off.
Andrew I’d be interested to hear about 2 aspects not mentioned on this; 1-dealer service costs & schedule (annual/seasonal) 2-mechanical failsafes/backup for when the electrics die, due to batteries not charging/LB failure/no sun WRT solar & no mains hook-up, or simple fuse/breaker tripping in the middle of the night. Also if the system is ‘constantly on’ agitating even when not pumping what is the systems average daily electrical power consumption vs leisure battery capacity🤔❓
Good points, but not ones I was able to measure in my short time with the motorhome. I'd need a week JUST to do this one vlog for that... maybe I'll get a second go? ;)
Thanks for that Mr D. I'm one of those on the fence about the whole system. I get the civilization bit and for that a big plus. But, to me, it seems rather faffy. We don't have an issue emptying our loo. It's much better than lugging the old Elsan bucket over to the toilet block. I get that some peeps don't like handling the waste and this idea stops that. Also, it's putting extra cost on leisure vehicles and it's more to go wrong. Does this rely on an app? It seems, these days, more and more things are shoved to our phones. What if my mobile phone is lost or stolen? Just a few thoughts of my own. In all, a good idea, but, maybe, not for me. 👍
Asked Andrew the same about the cartridges, are they recyclable, or even better could we send them back and get a cheaper refilled one back? But like the ink cartridge tech. I'm not going back to blue either.
Hi Andrew. Good stuff!. 1) what happens to food waste which gets drained with the grey water? Is their a filter which requires maintenance? 2) Frost protection. Any issues there?. Think the cassette will continue at the lower end of the market!
Good questions Dave. Not sure about a filter - there is none I came across. As for frost protection, the tanks are all inboard and the Alde heating should take care of that. Cheers!
Very interesting Andrew , gosh haven't we come a long way from the yellow bucket and blue lid , we started with in our first 10ft Perle , an educational and informative video Andrew , happy travels
@@susanneward7029 Yep I don't fancy yesterday's curry washing up water cleaning my bits. Mr D said, after spitting his tea out when I read your comment out loud, "goodness gracious great balls of fire". 🤣🤣
Great bog- I mean blog, and excellent crap app. I'm primitive and have stayed with the bucket and chuck it. I really believe that man was not meant to carry his waste around with him, once it has left the body.
Andrew, have you had any feedback from sites, especially the two major UK clubs, as to whether they will accept Indus waste down the grey disposal drains? Also, did you notice ant tissue residue on the grid you used for disposal, or is the macerator and final rinse really that good?
Hi Eddie, I've not had the opportunity to ask the Clubs. There was a tiny bit of tissue residue on the grille, but that was easily sloshed off with one pass of the treated grey water.
An excellent review. Thanks . I've just visited a CAMC site. Upon booking in the Warden was quite specific with their instruction that the motorhome service point was for the emptying of grey water only and not black. As an alternative I think an Indus user could on that occasion have parked near an outside Chemical disposal point as the hose would probably have reached. Because of that sort of issue I think that whilst the system may be ready for use, there is presently not an adequate infrastructure available in UK campsites to make it a viable option.
If that means Indus cannot be discharged other than black waste points, as a gravity drain system it would need to go into another container before depositing in the CDP. That does seem to make the system less efficient. Thetford need to do more research and negotiation with the clubs to make this useable on both sets of club sites.
I'll quote something I saw on Simon Jefferson's channel, Powerfuluk, where he says we are early adopters of new technology . Somebody has to take the first step towards a new way of doing things.
Very clever piece of kit, I don’t like Apps for everything I try to avoid my phone on holiday could Thetford include an information panel in the van, or am I a Dinosaur? 😂😂
I am old enough to admit that I used to rail against innovation electric windows, central locking etc.. bound to go wrong, not needed etc etc, and of course am now a happy user of all of this and more!!! But I can't help but think this system as presented at present has not enough advantages .... I think the exclusiveness of the cartridges and their 'un green' content are a distinct problem and the fact that you can't operate it without the app rule it out for me! Also the cost of the system, the installation costs and its complexity of installation and maintenance might be issues. It needs Thetford to underwrite its longevity in the market and invest in technician training, parts supply etc...... I'm not convinced at this stage! Thanks for highlighting and reviewing, onwards with great content Andrew!
Comprehensive and informative as always Andrew. Excellent review. I do think the system is too complicated and will probably be limited to a few high end motorhome and caravan builders like Burstner. I doubt many van conversion companies will buy in to the extra work needed to install it. I did think about the Thetford cassette cleaning machines (remember them?) which were the 'next revolution' in motorhome toilets a few years ago.....complicated and unreliable....wonder if Indus will be the same?
Some of the plastics on the “dooowhatsit” depositing thang (with the blue handle) seem brittle or at least by the sound they made as you were discussing how the handle folds. Maybe the handle could do with some bright yellow arrows for folding etc.
Andrew. At 33:25 you lifted "the unit" and water dribbled. I think you should squeeze the blue button at that point, which would lower the silver bar and close the valve. (As you did later) Then, when you put "the unit" in the receptacle, there won't be any dribble. So, I think the order is: At the dump point Black carry handle up Blue button (seal the valve) Lift the unit Place it in the receptacle and spin to retract the hose. Lower the black handle. Push the tray in. Close the door! Flush with success (sorry)
First, there must be leftovers under the handle that soils the shelf were it is between emptying, and I saw it was dripping on the hose when you lifted it Second, in Sweden we have different places for gray and blackwater, how do I solve that?
It's a good idea in principle but it relies too much on Bluetooth signals and pumps.What would happen if you lost your phone or it got stolen.Also what happens if the pumps stop working,at least with the cassette system you can flush the toilet with a jug of water and empty it manually.
In the USA, the dump stations have an actual connector. You pull your sewer hose out of your RV, and connect it to the dump station with a locking connector. When the presenter turned on the system and the end of the dump hose jerked and twisted slightly as the fluids came down the hose, all I could think was "OH MY GOD IT IS GOING TO TIP OVER AND SPRAY THE ENTIRE AREA IN POO!". Also, if you do not have a system that grinds up the black tank contents, don't you end up with poo logs and toilet paper all over the grate openings when you dump it?
Am I correct in saying that your grey tank was almost full but that there was plenty of space in the black tank? If so as you were flushing with grey water couldn't you just flush the toilet a few times to free up grey storage? Obviously this would use some chemicals but it would release some capacity.
Thanks for that Andrew, one thing I wasn’t clear on was how do you empty your fresh tank excess before setting off, does it drain through the Indus system or is there a separate fresh drain.
I get why people may want this however for me having spent most of my life with septic tanks etc i dont like the chemicals and havibg owned a klargester good luck with macerator repairs . Given being able to afford such a beautiful vehicle maybe repairs dont worry you. Enjoy the van.
My worry would be that you are emptying black waste into a drain which is meant for grey waste. Are the campsites going to be okay about that? If you are wild camping can it be emptied down a street drain? It seems to be a more sophisticated version of the marine type toilet you get on old Laika motorhomes which had a tank for the black and a tank for the grey and both got emptied at one time (I believe).
A very interesting video; thank you. Like you, I have a septic tank and so that is a "no" option for emptying. Wanting to travel in the UK, I am concerned about the emptying but as I intend converting a Mercedes Sitcar Beluga 2, there is plenty of locker space for the three tanks and they can be much bigger than on your RV. However, I am not sure as to why you cannot empty it into a septic tank, as when the tank is emptied, the tanker goes to the sewage works to unload the waste. I plan to go away for two weeks at a time so the tanks would have to be at least double the size of those on your RV. The other problem is that I do not have a smart phone. More research needed.
Thanks for such an informative review of the indus system Andrew...my concern ,given that we are more concious about spreading germs (Covid -19), is related to the app on the phone; surely this is an ideal place for germs to congregate I know that not all will be as hygiene aware as others and as we generally carry our phones around with us I am not convinced about the wisdom of pairing with a phone! Thetford should just leave it to a panel sited in the van.
Tried the lining bowl trick on normal Thetford, but didn’t like it, much better to open the blade and employ careful bomb aiming, straight down the hole!
Well presented. Question, you have traveled in North America and used the sani dump system that is common there. This seems similar. What are the advantages between the two systems? The chemical not being septic safe is huge and a big disappointment from a company like Thetford. We are trying to be better to our enviornment. From eliminating single use plastics (not reusable chemical containers), to harming septic systems( you know someone will empty into on).
So mods to do add a grey water decant but keep 25% for flush. Add green chemicals. Have a look at the miele washing machines that use 'cartridges' of liquid detergent. They do a cartridge with a side filling cap to allow refills or even third party detergents. I
Andrew, great vid. In the market for a bew large MH, but can't see any other options other than Burstner Elegance. Tried Thetford but no response. Are you aware of any other makes fitting this - or us system fading away?
I suspect those "ABC" cartridges will each have a small circuit board with a fuse which the control system recognises to register a new bottle, then blows. It's similar to a printer "new toner detection" Easy to cheat IF you have the chemicals!
Seems like a simple update to the system to allow running some volume of the gray tank water into the black tank to better manage total capacity would be an idea. A function of the flush action logically. Of course, that will use more of the product, so I'm sure Thetford can get behind the idea lol. For myself, pass, no questions, easy decision. It's just more technology to break down and pricey limiting chemicals to restrict options. Thanks for the thorough review though !
Andrew, I have just watched this video again. If Thetford say that the 3 cartridges are chemically comparable to what you use at home, I do not understand why you cannot discharge into a septic tank. Thanks. David
Is it legal to put masserated human waste down the grey water waste system pipes etc. I don't know the answer. Eg Would you put masserated waste down the same drain as house roof gutter system. Cheers from old George
@@andrewjditton Thanks Andrew for replying. You must have lots of questions. Happy motorhoming and kisses to Dougal. Cheers from old George and Jane 🇬🇧👫
We have the car and just love the Elegance and particularly the Indus system. Ps. By the way… u can actually empty the greywater seperately if u like. Ds.
ah, that comment on civilisation...so true...and in some places it's not that far from homes today which funnily enough has some parallels regarding degree of civilisation is same places...[!]
Just wondering. If you cannot use sceptic tanks . Where do you empty it. I've never been on a site that toilet waste is allowed down grey waste disposal. But I must admit the system looks good and easy to use.
I am not sure you will be allowed to discharge black water into a grey water waste grate. Can’t imagine most sites will allow that…if something goes wrong with discharge the mess is gonna be really close to the water fill point?
Sounds good, but...how to empty when we come home from festivals where the black tank is a big square plastic tank on the edge of the site? I suppose you need a bucket and several trips to pour it down the loo.
I personally don't like the system. For me, motorhoming and caravaning is about freedom and this brings dependencies. However, it's a cool idea and I see why some people would like it. Thanks for the video Andrew!
There should be a way of, partly or fully, emptying the grey water to give greater flexibility in using the system. How does this system compare to having a “marine “ toilet with a macerator?
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Very, very clever indeed. Whether it's too clever depends on the quality of the engineering... one point about chemicals that everyone seems to forget is concentration i.e. the bottles may be the same size but that doesn't mean they have the same amount of nasties in, unless we have a full chemical analysis (unlikely if there's a patent) then we just don't know. I suspect that was Thetford's point about having the same impact over 4 weeks compared to domestic loo chemicals i.e. the volume of indus chemicals may indeed be much more but if they contain less nasties per ml then it could be comparable to the volumes of loo cleaner, rim blocks, etc. used domestically by the average (likely not septic tank owning, environmentally conscious) person. Non green chemicals are a major, major issue though as lots of us have switched to formaldehyde free, green only, 100% of the time, septic tanks or not. My own feeling is that we're about to see the options diverge massively. Blades, cassettes, etc. are a minor innovation really from bucket and chuck it but feels like we're about to see revolution via a split to super hi-tech i.e. indus type systems vs super low tech - composting or waste burning dry toilets and hyper water saving e.g. some really clever grey water recycling/filtering for showers ideas out there amongst makers :) very few low tech solutions out there commercially at the moment though; I guess it's a low profit margin game at that end of the market... As to being tied to Thetford for refills, really annoying for the consumer but who can blame them given how much investment must have gone into inventing this system, all the development work THEN convincing manufacturers to try it. They've got to be assured a return somehow otherwise they don't have a business; it's Rolls Royce's power by the hour concept or printers and ink cartridges all over again, mind you it's easy to replace your printer to a new system if the manufacturer starts taking he micky... not so much for jet engines or indus systems ;-)
I think that the most impressive thing about the indus system is, that finally, Thetford have managed to create a toilet that has a flush that goes all the way around the bowl. Instead of going half way and then dying out :)
The secret to a good flush is to clear (or remove) the mesh filter in front of the flush solenoid, and to turn a tap on just a tiny bit before flushing, so that the water pump is already at full pressure.
What loo do you have Ian? If it's a manual flush C200 then there's a plastic clip that can break off the bottom of the pump that means it still flushes but is very weak. Let me know and I'll reply with more info.
This system seems to be closer to the holding tank system in most US RVs. One hose to empty both gray and black, black first with a rinse from the grey tank, except it’s more complicated and more expensive with the proprietary chemicals. And it eliminates the main convenience of a cassette, which you can empty in a number of different places, including a regular toilet.
Interesting system, but I’ll stick with my composting toilet. It uses only a little bit of vinegar, and I can go 6 to 8 weeks before emptying the solids… 🙂 Thanks for the video!
Exactly, probably everybody who has a composting toilet will never go back.
Thanks for a very informative video as always, as a plumber I have an absolute hate of macerators and as such would not want to take one on holiday with me,
This is far to complicated and as your van ages will cause no end of heartache
Remember KISS keep it simple
Many thanks
My thoughts too.
The cassette is VERY versatile when in need, and very little to go wrong: also I trust my mechanical sympathy more than all that electric flap nonsense.
Also my cassette works even with 0 power.
Thanks for the comprehensive video. We've always put paper down for the larger jobs - we refer to it as the green cross code.
Very impressive and as a disabled person I can see the advantages. I only hope in future they might be able to design something similar for towing caravans.
I can see the advantage for you but unless you’re on a super pitch, you would only be able to stay at a MH friendly site with the MH emptying point, unless you use what Andy said was available, a wheeled container, which would put you back to square one with a cassette? Emptying a mixed waste system would require quite a few trips?
A very informative and good video. I will recommend people to watch it when I make a video of a motorhome that has the Indus system.
Cool, thanks!
Absolutely fantastic. Should open lots of options in other areas and vehicles like yachts. Once the support and accessories come online we should be off an running. The emptying hose and unit is the 'Jobby Cannon' !
nice of Thetford to overly complicate whats already a nice simple process. No need
Thumbs up for your placing loo roll in loo trick. I learnt same trick from my parent’s carers when using a commode.
Very good system, probably going to become an industry standard, nice work Andrew, 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Very unbiased product report!
It's a marvellous marketing decision for Thetford.....
We are getting too reliant on 'Smart' phones viewers
Thank you Andrew for the review 🙂
Good tip for the toilet paper in the bowl 👍
I love the way you say "élégance" Andrew .your french accent is very good 👍
Big kisses from France 🇨🇵
I'm going the third path of bogs...: incineration.
No cassette, no chemicals - just a bit more LPG...
But this was really interesting. Thank you!
Andrew, I very much enjoy the presentation in your videos. Your videos are a fantastic resource for prospective motorhome buyers. That said, and please do not take offence, these informational videos are just too long. Reviewing a product like this shouldn’t have to take over a half-hour. I still watch your videos because they are good but if I were to come across an interesting topic from an unknown youtuber, I’d be very hesitant to even play the video if it’s so long. 15 minutes is a more reasonable time. Just something you may wish to consider in the future. Best wishes!
I like the longer videos. Andrew is thorough, and that’s partly why he has his loyal subscribers, I bet.
Andrew, I very much enjoy the presentation in your videos. Your videos are a fantastic resource for prospective motorhome buyers. These informational videos are just the right length. Reviewing a product like this needs a considered and detailed video which may well take over a half-hour. I watch your videos because they are good but if I were to come across an interesting topic from an unknown youtuber, I’d be very hesitant to even play the video if it’s so long since they don't have your depth of knowledge, repartee or bonhomie. Best Wishes!
I like the long videos, I guess people have different opinions - which is good, what I would say though is that Andrew has thoughtfully created and named chapters, so one could quite easily skip those that aren’t (in somebody’s opinion) relevant.
Thanks. To be fair to you, had I not had the trouble with breakages and failures, and had I had the motorhome for a longer time, I might have been able to make a more concise video. But shorter and more concise needs a lot of planning and scripting - two things I just did not have the time to do on this occasion. This is why I put chapters in the description. Thanks for watching.
Thanks Nick! Sadly I did not have the luxury of time with this one to be more planned and succinct.
All great stuff and excellent video. For me the downside is when we get home that final cassette goes down the loo. I’d have no drain to empty the Indus system into so I’d have to leave it to ‘stew’ until my next visit to a site!
Not septic tank friendly would be a big problem here in the US. Many rural camp grounds use septic tanks. In fact, they are restrictive on the waste water from some portable systems we have here. And the fact that you can't just do a grey water dump to extend your time in that case.
The first thing I would do is order a spare set of chemicals. Those bottles don't look too big. But the No Septic Tanks is a deal breaker for me.
I would certainly not buy a motorhome with this system. Here's why:
1. Too much to go wrong. Macerators are notoriously unreliable in buildings. I can't image they're better in a motorhome. Even the ISS has macerator issues!
2. I don't go to places where there is a black waste disposal point within reach of a short hose. Grey waste, rarely. Black waste: only on Aires in Europe.
3. There's no need. A toilet cassette lasts us four days with two people using it (tip: flush the absolute minimum). A 48 litre Really Useful box in the boot holds the spare cassette. So we can manage 8 days between empties. And the water and grew waste tank are both good for a fortnight.
4. All those chemicals! One sachet of bio laundry liquid is good for a cassette. That's the only chemical we use, apart from a couple of 2-litre bottles of cheap diet coke to rinse out the grey waste tank once a year. So we can empty the grey waste down any drain, empty the black waste down any toilet or sewerage manhole.
5. It's all too much to go wrong, more stuff using precious power, more unnecessary weight.
The whole concept reminds me of the con of inkjet printer cartridges where you pay eye-watering prices for miniscule amounts of ink. With this, you're locked in to buying Thetford bottle of chemicals. Though I suspect that adding a "top up" hole (with a screw lid) to each of those cartridges will be one of the first things some people will do.
This system seems to be a step in the wrong direction for me.
It's designed to drain into grey water waste points, not black waste points.
@@CliffordDive tipping dilute sewage into a grey waste drain is not going to be acceptable. I'm sure Thetford claim that it is treated waste, but the precautionary principle applies.
@@iainathairydog - I'm inclined to agree. I can't see the Caravan Club feeling easy about it!
@@CliffordDive oh, I suspect that if they get a good share of the £30 per month (a pound a day!) it's reputed to cost, I expect they'll overcome their scruples.
@@iainathairydog Agreed, esp. as it's not septic tank safe (= very nasty chemicals).
Way too much to go wrong, even the flap is electric.
Also impossible to empty without moving the van.
It's a complex disaster, and what's with the smart phone?!?! A small LCD would be cheap and easy.
Andrew, thanks for the shoutout. A very informative "bog vlog". It looks like a great system removing the walk of shame....well almost, you said there was a wheelie bin to come. By my reckoning it will need to huge, or maybe they are in talks with colapz. Maybe they can make it smaller if you/we can interrupt the "download" mode. I still love. If I didn't then I wouldn't buy a motorhome with one fitted.
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Loving the fact that you need to “log” on to the app……how apt….👍🇮🇲😂. Thetford missed a trick, , their advert for the app, should be “ Swipe to wipe” ……lol 😂😂😂
I've just sprayed yogurt out of my nose reading that! Thanks for the best laugh I've had all day, Andy!
@@andrewjditton your welcome , sorry about the yogurt 👍💕🇮🇲😂
Happy days Andrew! Thanks 🙏
Glad you liked it Norbert! I did the best I could :)
Hi Andrew, There is also the extra cost to factor in. I suppose it could be said that if you can afford the rig you can afford to run it. However if you have spent your “life savings” on the motor home and you’ve the extra cost of the fluid , postage and packing if you are abroad could be a dealbreaker if you have no other way of sanitising your setup. All the best to you and yours.Rab
Your show was so useful for me because I didn't know before how it work. Thank you very much.
You're welcome!
Early days - I am sure with feedback and experience Thetford will continually refine and tweek the system too
Hello, hello, hello and hello 👋!!
Been really looking forward to watching this one and learning more about the Indus system.
You were very thorough as always Andrew, good work and thank you, it was very interesting to see.
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Tks. Fascinating. Continuous Cruiser on canals. Sticking with pump-out. 👍
Hmm 🤔 I like the idea of going longer without having to empty, but not sure about the chemicals. Like you, I only eco or home-made products. As usual, very informative and balanced review 👍🏻
Think this going to be a marmite situation.. but 2 things that worry me..1.. that plunger moved under pressure when emptying.. what if it toppled over? 2. As you said you can get a wheeled tank if you don't want to move the motor home.. can you imagine the size that would be( you can't just syphon a little off) so the whole system needs emptying.. try carting that to the chemical waste lol.. another "Wilheim Crapper" vid that super interesting and informative.. cheers guys!! Looking forward to the next.
Andrew. I have been following you for a very long time. You are very honest and extremely fair in your surveys.
However the point I wish to make is in no way criticising you. But the toilet system! 1. Far to complicated.2. Very expensive to run.3.macerators are very unreliable!
I cannot imagine the problems that users will have when abroad ! I can imagine the owners carrying a porta potti in case of trouble!
It would be interesting to see a price list for parts and a guarantee?
Thanks for the kind words Paul. I imagine it's covered under the manufacturer's warranty, just as all the components are.
Let me first give compliments for those who try to make water systems in the campervan industry more efficient. So what Thetford is doing, is much appreciated.
And i do love the idea of saving freshwater, by flushing toilet with grey water.
And i also do like the idea of emptying the grey and black at the same time.
But with the toilet you simply do not save that much water to stay longer off grid.
Bigger black, grey, and fresh tanks do make you stay longer off grid.
Showers are using the most amount of water and energy (warm water), and the toilet is using the least amount of water.
Thetford or other manufacturers could better focus on a filtration system that makes from grey water, freshwater, so you can use the same water multiple times. These system exist on sailing yachts, so its not something that doesn’t exist. Its just still to big for a small campervan. Thanks for the video
excellent review. great t-shirt. it all seems a bit cumbersome and expensive (on the other hand, if one can afford this motorhome ...) but it is an innovative system and it will either develop or flop. also, it kind of makes me appreciate the simplicity of my 'porta potti' (Fiamma Bi-Pot 30) under the dinette-bed of my completely toiletless Freedom Caravan. ;o) ... but yeah, apples an pears, obviously.
This is almost a classic MBA business case. How to tie your customers into a premium product. For me the reuse of water is excellent, would be good to see something in the caravan line similar. But to be tied to one supplier given they could stop providing the chemicals at any point or double the price is risky.
Reuse of water?
I use my water showering and washing up, washing veg.
Very very little gets used in the loo, the whole cassette is about 1 10L watering can - not a problem.
@@G-ra-ha-m Hey Graham, what I meant was that in a normal caravan, you take potable water through your aquaroll into the shower & sink and back into a wastemaster. My comment wouldn't it be good if the waste water in the wastermaster could somehow feed the loo. I take your point about being only a small capacity for the loo, but if we are to attack climate change and be more green reuse of grey water I think is something to be looked into. Best wishes
@@I_Was_Chrispy_Kreme Climate is dictated by the Sun, I doubt using 10L of extra water will affect that :D.
But I agree about being green, I always use bio safe products in the loo, and of course avoid fluoride toothpaste, which is highly toxic and ends up on grey water.
Overall, I think the huge number of things to go wrong with this system render it unfeasible: when you press a button and nothing happens... all the problems suddenly become very real :))
ANDREW,,, HALOOOO, long time, THETFORD, I know of but not this system, The best ‘PORTO POTTY. there is someone I follow, was comparing toilets., so there he sat out in the OPEN SITTING ON IT,showing how it works , prior , had a HYMER AKTIV 2.0 with a cassette . Stay well, take care, cheers 🏴🏴🇬🇧🏴🇺🇸
Intelligent and diplomatic review. Very informative, thank you.
That’s genius. Feels like work in progress, but great never the less.
How much does the Indus system add weight wise to the MH as oppose to a normal cassette toilet. I do go on extended 2 month plus trips so having to carry all the extra chemicals is going take a huuuge (matron) chunks out of my payload. Does this also mean I have carry grey waste all the time instead of doing the normal emptying before setting off.
140L = 140kg
Far to complex - last thing you want is the bog conking out - I'll stick with the cassette thanks
Great rounded and balanced Andrew, jury’s still out for me at the moment
Andrew I’d be interested to hear about 2 aspects not mentioned on this;
1-dealer service costs & schedule (annual/seasonal)
2-mechanical failsafes/backup for when the electrics die, due to batteries not charging/LB failure/no sun WRT solar & no mains hook-up, or simple fuse/breaker tripping in the middle of the night.
Also if the system is ‘constantly on’ agitating even when not pumping what is the systems average daily electrical power consumption vs leisure battery capacity🤔❓
Good points, but not ones I was able to measure in my short time with the motorhome. I'd need a week JUST to do this one vlog for that... maybe I'll get a second go? ;)
Very informative vlog, thank you so much xx
Thanks for that Mr D. I'm one of those on the fence about the whole system. I get the civilization bit and for that a big plus. But, to me, it seems rather faffy. We don't have an issue emptying our loo. It's much better than lugging the old Elsan bucket over to the toilet block. I get that some peeps don't like handling the waste and this idea stops that.
Also, it's putting extra cost on leisure vehicles and it's more to go wrong.
Does this rely on an app? It seems, these days, more and more things are shoved to our phones. What if my mobile phone is lost or stolen? Just a few thoughts of my own.
In all, a good idea, but, maybe, not for me. 👍
I do buy my wife a cheap phone, so that we do have a back-up phone. 🙃
Love it!! Just wish the chemicals were green, until they are I wouldn’t consider it 😢 such a shame as it looks a really good system.
Asked Andrew the same about the cartridges, are they recyclable, or even better could we send them back and get a cheaper refilled one back? But like the ink cartridge tech. I'm not going back to blue either.
Hi Andrew. Good stuff!. 1) what happens to food waste which gets drained with the grey water? Is their a filter which requires maintenance? 2) Frost protection. Any issues there?. Think the cassette will continue at the lower end of the market!
Good questions Dave. Not sure about a filter - there is none I came across. As for frost protection, the tanks are all inboard and the Alde heating should take care of that. Cheers!
Very interesting Andrew , gosh haven't we come a long way from the yellow bucket and blue lid , we started with in our first 10ft Perle , an educational and informative video Andrew , happy travels
Thetford could have incorperated a "bidet" function! 😁
Great idea, as long as they don’t use the grey water for it.
@@susanneward7029 Yep I don't fancy yesterday's curry washing up water cleaning my bits. Mr D said, after spitting his tea out when I read your comment out loud, "goodness gracious great balls of fire". 🤣🤣
Great bog- I mean blog, and excellent crap app.
I'm primitive and have stayed with the bucket and chuck it. I really believe that man was not meant to carry his waste around with him, once it has left the body.
Andrew, have you had any feedback from sites, especially the two major UK clubs, as to whether they will accept Indus waste down the grey disposal drains? Also, did you notice ant tissue residue on the grid you used for disposal, or is the macerator and final rinse really that good?
Hi Eddie, I've not had the opportunity to ask the Clubs. There was a tiny bit of tissue residue on the grille, but that was easily sloshed off with one pass of the treated grey water.
@@andrewjditton Thanks Andrew
An excellent review. Thanks . I've just visited a CAMC site. Upon booking in the Warden was quite specific with their instruction that the motorhome service point was for the emptying of grey water only and not black. As an alternative I think an Indus user could on that occasion have parked near an outside Chemical disposal point as the hose would probably have reached. Because of that sort of issue I think that whilst the system may be ready for use, there is presently not an adequate infrastructure available in UK campsites to make it a viable option.
If that means Indus cannot be discharged other than black waste points, as a gravity drain system it would need to go into another container before depositing in the CDP. That does seem to make the system less efficient. Thetford need to do more research and negotiation with the clubs to make this useable on both sets of club sites.
I'll quote something I saw on Simon Jefferson's channel, Powerfuluk, where he says we are early adopters of new technology . Somebody has to take the first step towards a new way of doing things.
Very clever piece of kit, I don’t like Apps for everything I try to avoid my phone on holiday could Thetford include an information panel in the van, or am I a Dinosaur? 😂😂
How about buying an old phone secondhand and sticking it to the wall?
A very valid point Colin. I also don't want screens on holiday because I look at screens all day every day!
Good call. Perhaps like our Truma iNet we could have both options.
Brilliant idea
Can see this system falling by the wayside and being forgotten about in 5 years time. Loving your pronunciation of Burstner though 😁
Environmentally friendly and water free incineration toilet is an alternative for cemical toilets for leisure homes, tiny houses and caravans..
I am old enough to admit that I used to rail against innovation electric windows, central locking etc.. bound to go wrong, not needed etc etc, and of course am now a happy user of all of this and more!!! But I can't help but think this system as presented at present has not enough advantages .... I think the exclusiveness of the cartridges and their 'un green' content are a distinct problem and the fact that you can't operate it without the app rule it out for me! Also the cost of the system, the installation costs and its complexity of installation and maintenance might be issues. It needs Thetford to underwrite its longevity in the market and invest in technician training, parts supply etc...... I'm not convinced at this stage! Thanks for highlighting and reviewing, onwards with great content Andrew!
Comprehensive and informative as always Andrew. Excellent review. I do think the system is too complicated and will probably be limited to a few high end motorhome and caravan builders like Burstner. I doubt many van conversion companies will buy in to the extra work needed to install it. I did think about the Thetford cassette cleaning machines (remember them?) which were the 'next revolution' in motorhome toilets a few years ago.....complicated and unreliable....wonder if Indus will be the same?
Thanks Chris. It's still early days for indus, only time will tell...
Never thought I could learn so much about having a **** 😳😆🤣👍
Some of the plastics on the “dooowhatsit” depositing thang (with the blue handle) seem brittle or at least by the sound they made as you were discussing how the handle folds. Maybe the handle could do with some bright yellow arrows for folding etc.
Will the waste unit and the cupboard it resides in need sanitising from time to time to keep it "sweet"?
I'd imagine so!
Could you just flush a lot to move gray water into the black tank when the gray gets too full?
I like it. Like any new idea I needs time to develop. I hope they will work their green way to it.
Never mind the bog, Andrew where can I get one of those wonderful tee shirts?
From the lovely people at Culla Creative in Benbecula! www.cullacreative.com/
Andrew.
At 33:25 you lifted "the unit" and water dribbled.
I think you should squeeze the blue button at that point, which would lower the silver bar and close the valve. (As you did later)
Then, when you put "the unit" in the receptacle, there won't be any dribble.
So, I think the order is:
At the dump point
Black carry handle up
Blue button (seal the valve)
Lift the unit
Place it in the receptacle and spin to retract the hose.
Lower the black handle.
Push the tray in.
Close the door!
Flush with success (sorry)
Yep, I think you're right there Roger. This was my first time with a working unit...
Certainly one big advantage is weight, or rather the lack thereof!
My van has a C400 (19.3L) which is pretty heavy to move around and empty.
First, there must be leftovers under the handle that soils the shelf were it is between emptying, and I saw it was dripping on the hose when you lifted it
Second, in Sweden we have different places for gray and blackwater, how do I solve that?
It's a good idea in principle but it relies too much on Bluetooth signals and pumps.What would happen if you lost your phone or it got stolen.Also what happens if the pumps stop working,at least with the cassette system you can flush the toilet with a jug of water and empty it manually.
How long between emptying for how many people? One? Two?
I'm intending to travel with 4 people, so how long can I go before emptying?
In the USA, the dump stations have an actual connector. You pull your sewer hose out of your RV, and connect it to the dump station with a locking connector. When the presenter turned on the system and the end of the dump hose jerked and twisted slightly as the fluids came down the hose, all I could think was "OH MY GOD IT IS GOING TO TIP OVER AND SPRAY THE ENTIRE AREA IN POO!". Also, if you do not have a system that grinds up the black tank contents, don't you end up with poo logs and toilet paper all over the grate openings when you dump it?
Am I correct in saying that your grey tank was almost full but that there was plenty of space in the black tank? If so as you were flushing with grey water couldn't you just flush the toilet a few times to free up grey storage? Obviously this would use some chemicals but it would release some capacity.
I did try that, but it doesn't seem to do it in sufficient quantity to make a difference.
We use Happy Bowl in our toilet it's so clean and easy.
Thanks for that Andrew, one thing I wasn’t clear on was how do you empty your fresh tank excess before setting off, does it drain through the Indus system or is there a separate fresh drain.
Hi Raymond, there are separate fresh tank valves which I show in the full review.
So if I don't have a pitch with waste emptying on it then I have to move the motorhome every time I need to empty the system?
No, you can get a wheeled tank which I mention at the end. But it's over €300!!!!
I get why people may want this however for me having spent most of my life with septic tanks etc i dont like the chemicals and havibg owned a klargester good luck with macerator repairs . Given being able to afford such a beautiful vehicle maybe repairs dont worry you. Enjoy the van.
My worry would be that you are emptying black waste into a drain which is meant for grey waste. Are the campsites going to be okay about that? If you are wild camping can it be emptied down a street drain? It seems to be a more sophisticated version of the marine type toilet you get on old Laika motorhomes which had a tank for the black and a tank for the grey and both got emptied at one time (I believe).
Apparently the drains in 80% of cases end up in the same place, just as with most properties connected to the sewer system.
Ours do as Andrew said. Even worse one company deals with water in and another with water and waste out.
i didnt get it what is these septic not septic tanks friendly?
oh ya, Dougal Smirked on this one!!!!!!!
Did you empty in to the grey waste disposal point?
A very interesting video; thank you. Like you, I have a septic tank and so that is a "no" option for emptying. Wanting to travel in the UK, I am concerned about the emptying but as I intend converting a Mercedes Sitcar Beluga 2, there is plenty of locker space for the three tanks and they can be much bigger than on your RV. However, I am not sure as to why you cannot empty it into a septic tank, as when the tank is emptied, the tanker goes to the sewage works to unload the waste. I plan to go away for two weeks at a time so the tanks would have to be at least double the size of those on your RV. The other problem is that I do not have a smart phone. More research needed.
Thanks for such an informative review of the indus system Andrew...my concern ,given that we are more concious about spreading germs (Covid -19), is related to the app on the phone; surely this is an ideal place for germs to congregate I know that not all will be as hygiene aware as others and as we generally carry our phones around with us I am not convinced about the wisdom of pairing with a phone! Thetford should just leave it to a panel sited in the van.
Good point, but to be fair, phones are generally personal items and we only use our own.
Tried the lining bowl trick on normal Thetford, but didn’t like it, much better to open the blade and employ careful bomb aiming, straight down the hole!
Trick is not to open the blade before you’ve finished otherwise the paper disappears down the hole with your first plop👍
Well presented. Question, you have traveled in North America and used the sani dump system that is common there. This seems similar. What are the advantages between the two systems?
The chemical not being septic safe is huge and a big disappointment from a company like Thetford. We are trying to be better to our enviornment. From eliminating single use plastics (not reusable chemical containers), to harming septic systems( you know someone will empty into on).
So mods to do
add a grey water decant but keep 25% for flush.
Add green chemicals.
Have a look at the miele washing machines that use 'cartridges' of liquid detergent. They do a cartridge with a side filling cap to allow refills or even third party detergents. I
Andrew, great vid. In the market for a bew large MH, but can't see any other options other than Burstner Elegance. Tried Thetford but no response. Are you aware of any other makes fitting this - or us system fading away?
I think one or two were fitting it but I'm sadly no longer as closely involved in the motorhome world so can't say for sure.
I suspect those "ABC" cartridges will each have a small circuit board with a fuse which the control system recognises to register a new bottle, then blows.
It's similar to a printer "new toner detection"
Easy to cheat IF you have the chemicals!
Excellent Andrew 👍
Seems like a simple update to the system to allow running some volume of the gray tank water into the black tank to better manage total capacity would be an idea. A function of the flush action logically. Of course, that will use more of the product, so I'm sure Thetford can get behind the idea lol.
For myself, pass, no questions, easy decision. It's just more technology to break down and pricey limiting chemicals to restrict options.
Thanks for the thorough review though !
Great review Andrew.
I wonder if they will do a version for caravans hooked up to a “serviced pitch”?
Guessing they wouldn't need to unless it's septic or green. Interested in how the major clubs feel about it.
Emptying the cartridge is part of the camping experience.
'Till you fill your boots.
Andrew, I have just watched this video again. If Thetford say that the 3 cartridges are chemically comparable to what you use at home, I do not understand why you cannot discharge into a septic tank. Thanks. David
I'm no chemist David, I'm just going off the information from Thetford. I'm very fussy about my sceptic tank at home so I wouldn't risk it.
Is it legal to put masserated human waste down the grey water waste system pipes etc. I don't know the answer. Eg Would you put masserated waste down the same drain as house roof gutter system. Cheers from old George
In about 80% of cases George, once those drains go under the ground, the waste ends up in exactly the same sewer pipe.
@@andrewjditton Thanks Andrew for replying. You must have lots of questions. Happy motorhoming and kisses to Dougal. Cheers from old George and Jane 🇬🇧👫
We have the car and just love the Elegance and particularly the Indus system. Ps. By the way… u can actually empty the greywater seperately if u like. Ds.
Interesting! I spoke to the guy who actually designed it, and he told me that you can't! What's the secret?
Nice, I haven’t find the cost of the system and for the cartridges?
ah, that comment on civilisation...so true...and in some places it's not that far from homes today which funnily enough has some parallels regarding degree of civilisation is same places...[!]
I wonder if organisations such as SEPA would agree to black waste being discharged into the grey waste system?
Just wondering. If you cannot use sceptic tanks . Where do you empty it. I've never been on a site that toilet waste is allowed down grey waste disposal. But I must admit the system looks good and easy to use.
I am not sure you will be allowed to discharge black water into a grey water waste grate. Can’t imagine most sites will allow that…if something goes wrong with discharge the mess is gonna be really close to the water fill point?
Sounds good, but...how to empty when we come home from festivals where the black tank is a big square plastic tank on the edge of the site? I suppose you need a bucket and several trips to pour it down the loo.
You can get a wheeled tank Helen, but it's North of €300... :-/
@@andrewjditton 😳
Does the Thetford rinse the black water tank and if not can you do so manually? Also you should wear gloves regardless.
I personally don't like the system. For me, motorhoming and caravaning is about freedom and this brings dependencies. However, it's a cool idea and I see why some people would like it.
Thanks for the video Andrew!
Cheers Viktor!
I like it 👍👍👍👍
There should be a way of, partly or fully, emptying the grey water to give greater flexibility in using the system.
How does this system compare to having a “marine “ toilet with a macerator?