I just wanna say that it’s unfortunate that some Contant creators for hero wars aren’t as open to collaboration and sharing content as they should be. We have a comparatively small platform of content creators to do their best to make this game enjoyable for those about to play the game on a daily basis. From Wales to free to play and everyone in between, we all need to share ideas strategies and contents to make this game relevant, but also to help the content creators who dedicate so much time, effort and energy into ensuring that players have content to watch well, they need and deserve to be compensated for their work as well. Not really a clear comment, but keep up the strong work Charlie. You are worth way more than what you make for your daily content!!!
There is another UA-camr Deda (I think it is), who rather than Jet still uses Nebula. His team can pull off over 800mil, he said in his latest video that if he gets it right he can kill the 160 2x, so 1.6B dmg. The 800mil that he did in his video was 1 hit.
Two things - And please correct me if my reasoning or thought process on the game mechanics is wrong. 1. If you've over-leveled Isaac, aren't there a couple ways this could be mitigated? First, couldn't you just purchase a couple fewer of the Defense Sphere Destroyer buffs to compensate? Also, wouldn't this be dependent on your guild morale boost? If I am in a guild which only has 17% guild morale, it's much different than this guild which is at 26% guild morale. Isaac won't be destroying spheres as quickly. 2. Wouldn't Nebula technically still be the better choice than Jet? Jet is only better if you aren't good at playing manual because Jet permanently grants over 3k critical hit chance to the team. The reason I think Nebula is better is that her physical attack boosts affect both Cornelius and Sebastian's skills. With Nebula's special skills, she will give big physical attack boosts from her artifact weapon, and then also Equilibrium/4th skill (if you get lucky and the boost is given to Sebastian), and then a small boost from the Astral Projection/1st skill (from her 2nd tier Ascension skill). All of the physical attack boosts will help boost the 2nd and 3rd special skills of Sebastian, right? Because Sebastian's 2nd and 3rd skill are based on his physical attack. For example, the 4th skill of Nebula is "equilibrium", and mine gives about 100,000 (I am using round numbers to make the math easier) temporary physical attack boost (which would go to Sebastian or Isaac). My artifact weapon for Nebula gives over 21,000 physical attack boost. So if they happen at the same time, and if Sebastian's second skill is going off (at the right time when Cornelius/Albus attack), then the chance for a critical hit goes from 121% chance to a 241% chance. (Physical attack of Sebastian is 79k right now. 79k + 121k = 200k. 200,000 *.001 + 41 = 241% critical hit chance). The same goes for boosting Sebastian's 3rd skill. I currently get 122% extra pure damage for his 3rd skill. If Sebastian is getting a physical attack boost from Nebula, then his 3rd skill will magnify as well. If I add that 121k physical attack boost, then I get a 266% increase in pure damage. With Cornelius, all of Nebula's physical attack boosts could have a HUGE affect when Cornelius uses his first skill Heavy Wisdom. The massive points are scored when Cornelius has a critical hit (and then Albus giving pure damage bonus after). If OSH's intelligence level is 75k (I know it's slightly higher), then you get extra damage per 100 points of intelligence. So 75k/100 = 7500. So let's say your Nebula has granted just 20k physical attack boost at the moment you fire off Cornelius. You multiply that by 10% for the Heavy Wisdom attack (and you get 2000 more damage in that first skill). 2000 (Heavy Wisdom) x 7500 (Osh intelligence x 10%) equals a 150 million additional damage. If the hit goes critical, then it's a massive pure damage of 300 million. And if you time it with Albus, it's going to one shot OSH overall. As I said before, I haven't done the math on the critical hit chance increase with Jet, but I wouldn't think he helps that much overall. His artifact weapon gives an armor boost, so that's nice if you have trouble surviving. That's about it. Jhu would seem to be better than Jet just because his artifact weapon provides crit hit increase.
2. I do agree that nebula or Jhu or celeste are better than jet as a damage buff. But the armor artifact from jet make the team is more or less safe from meteors, making it more consistent, since the team is very rng heavy already and requires everybody alive to work (unlike traditional team would still work if say, nebula is down) you wouldn't want any mishappen. Also the passive nature of jet's crit buff means seb's battle song always work. If you rely on jhu or seb's artifact crit buff, the battle song might be casted when the buffs are off, missing cornelius. If cornelius is not affected by battle song then he is not affected by seb's 3rd skill either. Btw Nebula boosting phys atk do help isaac/sebastian but doesn't help cornelius, because cornelius skill while being physical, is based on cornelius magic attack. Another thing, 75k/100 = 750, not 7500. 3rd thing, I'm pretty sure all of the buffs only count when the rock make impact, not when cornelius is casting.
@@dialkia4601 First, thank you for correcting my math. Also, I thought about Nebula not buffing Cornelius yesterday, although with Nebula's Ascension skill when using Astral Projection. The Astral Balance Projection kicks in and would that not be added to Cornelius? She is already buffing one teammate (either Isaac or Sebastian), and when she uses ultimate, it helps out 2 more teammates. Cornelius is closer than Martha, so Cornelius would get a buff (magic attack buff, which I think I used physical attack buff in my math). So there would be 3 teammates buffed when Nebula uses her ultimate because of the Also, I thought about the battle song as well. It cools down every 7 seconds, so I though by running Jhu manually, you could make sure you set off Jhu in time (although this makes it harder to do, but it would still be better result if you get your timing right). What do you think about that?
@@jek4837 right. As i mentioned i do agree nebula or jhu would be better damage buff than jet (or celeste too since she can do 2x mAttack artifact buff) It's just that they are harder to execute. Nebula's astral projection buff i'm not sure if it is guaranteed on cornelius. It would be about 10% bonus to cornelius's Heavy wisdom base damage (20k m.Atk would be adding 2k to his ~18k). Her buff would mainly benefit sebastian though (33k p.Atk just from artifact, and like 150k p.Atk if her orb is on seb, making, that's adding ~40% or ~180% to sebastian's pure damage bonus, which is massive considering sebatian' base bonus is only like 140%). I already count patronage, but it's only a rough estimation. I keep mentioning Celeste since she would give 2x50k mAtk buff, that's 10k adding to cornelius's 18k base, that's more than nebula unless nebula's auto attack is on seb. She can stay heal mode the whole time too. She's also the best if there is no crit but that's not the point of this team xD She and nebula both face the problem of hard to maintain (and low) crit buff. I agree Jhu as a crit buffer is pretty easy to maintain battle song in manual, since he is fast (esp with martha). His crit buff is also higher than jet. He also do some damage himself, since while there isnt a nebula, it's still the best setup for him. (He'd suck in a second team since not enough ap and no sebastian). The problem is that isaac and seb can die to meteors easier since martha is the only healer/armor artifact. I guess nebula is the most high-risk-high-reward if we happen to get everything right. And jhu can be the most consistent since his crit buff is the best.
@@jek4837 we get about 5-6 cornelius ult per run. The 4 heroes martha/cornelius/seb/isaac are non-negotiable. Assuming everything maxed and ~25% morale, if the 4th member is: jet: crit chance ~30% Damage without crit ~110m. 1 crit is worth 360m (33m crit, ~110m seb damage, ~220m albus damage) jhu: crit chance ~40% Damage without crit ~160-200m (because jhu). 1 crit is worth 360m nebula: crit chance ~25% (but had to time seb ult -> battle song -> corn ult for crit) Damage without crit ~120m. 1 crit is worth 500-800m celeste: crit chance ~25% (but had to time seb ult -> battle song -> corn ult for crit) Damage without crit ~180m. 1 crit is worth 570m ganji (the youtuber who made the 503m video) recently posted a 948m run with jhu. cornelius crit 3 times but the last time is at the end so albus didnt manage to hit in time so he missed out ~220m.
Watching your teammate, it also looks like what happened with my guildmate. They are starting ulti-ing with Isaac too soon. You have to delay his ults so the first doesn't fade before the 4th arrives. Let them all come at once faster, even if you have a higher level Isaac. And in the other video, he waits even longer so Martha ults as well, and can get another ult from Isaac because of the speed boost. If they start too soon, they stack, but the timing of the first fades out. It is a unique timing strategy
That’s probably true. But it’ll help to not use Sebastian ult at all, so there are no crits, and to wait to get as many off at once as possible. Might only get 3 or 4 but better than trailing off at 2 possibly 1
My Isaac is short of fully ascended and I left there intentionally, but I leveled only his weapon art to get him around 42k ArP. Multiply that x4 and you get 168k ArP with 4 buffs up. That's full ArP for even Cornelius with zero. My Cornelius wasn't big enough to try last week because of lower health (I'd try to get him as close to 500k health with as much armor as you can get on him so Martha can keep him alive during shower). But 4x ArP buffs and the classic team was easy to get around 140mil without much effort and I was still using Axel because I wasn't sure my not-quite-maxed team would survive at the stage I hit it from (160 but the color bar was already at half purple/yellow and I wasn't paying attention to what the multiplier stopped at). I'll try an Albus run this week (my axel and albus are both maxed), but I'll likely hold off on Corn until the following week when he feels like he'll survive a meteor shower.
Where is that's person's video? (not in the description yet) I've seen a video where it's only Jhu for Cornelius swap.... but not changing Nebula for Jet too. Thanks for posting this.
I could be wrong, but it looks like Yggdrasil scored a couple of smaller critical hits on the spheres (or were those on Osh?). Not sure if that's because of Jet's skill or because of Seb's alt. If' it's because of Seb, then there's a possibility of Isaac not killing the spheres as quickly and charging faster on manual mode. He could still end up clearing the spheres before the fifth ult and t's way more work than auto mode with Jhu.
Hey Charlie thanx a lot for your videos, most of my knowledge about the game is from you. Could you be more specific about how to get the heroes to these levels (what to not max)
Feel free to offer constructive criticism on the following post so with the new Cosh meta some good heroes are free for other tems -if its the variant without Jhu, then Faf/Julius/Jhu/Qing Mao/Keira could have potential. Or, the other one with no Seb could allow Faf/Julius/Jhu/Seb/Qing Mao. I think this should work: Julius gives a constant speedup after he shields and when main shield is destroyed he also heals the tem/Qing Mao does some DMG and provides pierce + armor reduction/Faf will give DMG boost after ulting, he also has an armor artifact to help against the meteors/if Seb is available with Jhu then there are 3 crit artifacts in this tem. I don't know if its viable, but I've been using Kayla/Aidan/Gala/Faf/Julius vs 115 and 125 Osh and the DMG is consistent: 1.5M vs 115/1M vs 125 (obviously its low power or I would do more)
My guild just finally beat Osh 160 a couple of weeks ago and yeah, that metric seems far gone with most teams doing much less damage. Thanks for the info.
Sorry friend but you are giving bad info the first wave spheres and shower meteor don't count so only need be focus on kill spheres faster to make Isaac survive first round of sphere and shower meteor and also hold Albus ulty so the first real big try of damage come in the second wave of spheres that all heroes should have energy loaded for cast ulty so need count 5 utly Isaac and use the rest heroes ulty and the same will happen on the 4 wave of spheres and and second shower meteor it is around 1 minute 08 second for the third try around second 40 and last one on second 5 to 8 (strategy with Cornelious)
I just wanna say that it’s unfortunate that some Contant creators for hero wars aren’t as open to collaboration and sharing content as they should be. We have a comparatively small platform of content creators to do their best to make this game enjoyable for those about to play the game on a daily basis. From Wales to free to play and everyone in between, we all need to share ideas strategies and contents to make this game relevant, but also to help the content creators who dedicate so much time, effort and energy into ensuring that players have content to watch well, they need and deserve to be compensated for their work as well. Not really a clear comment, but keep up the strong work Charlie. You are worth way more than what you make for your daily content!!!
There is another UA-camr Deda (I think it is), who rather than Jet still uses Nebula. His team can pull off over 800mil, he said in his latest video that if he gets it right he can kill the 160 2x, so 1.6B dmg. The 800mil that he did in his video was 1 hit.
I don't doubt it, it's a risk/reward. Without Jet, you've got less crit hit chance, and you also have to wait for nebula's sphere to be on Corny.
Two things - And please correct me if my reasoning or thought process on the game mechanics is wrong.
1. If you've over-leveled Isaac, aren't there a couple ways this could be mitigated? First, couldn't you just purchase a couple fewer of the Defense Sphere Destroyer buffs to compensate? Also, wouldn't this be dependent on your guild morale boost? If I am in a guild which only has 17% guild morale, it's much different than this guild which is at 26% guild morale. Isaac won't be destroying spheres as quickly.
2. Wouldn't Nebula technically still be the better choice than Jet? Jet is only better if you aren't good at playing manual because Jet permanently grants over 3k critical hit chance to the team. The reason I think Nebula is better is that her physical attack boosts affect both Cornelius and Sebastian's skills.
With Nebula's special skills, she will give big physical attack boosts from her artifact weapon, and then also Equilibrium/4th skill (if you get lucky and the boost is given to Sebastian), and then a small boost from the Astral Projection/1st skill (from her 2nd tier Ascension skill). All of the physical attack boosts will help boost the 2nd and 3rd special skills of Sebastian, right? Because Sebastian's 2nd and 3rd skill are based on his physical attack.
For example, the 4th skill of Nebula is "equilibrium", and mine gives about 100,000 (I am using round numbers to make the math easier) temporary physical attack boost (which would go to Sebastian or Isaac). My artifact weapon for Nebula gives over 21,000 physical attack boost. So if they happen at the same time, and if Sebastian's second skill is going off (at the right time when Cornelius/Albus attack), then the chance for a critical hit goes from 121% chance to a 241% chance. (Physical attack of Sebastian is 79k right now. 79k + 121k = 200k. 200,000 *.001 + 41 = 241% critical hit chance).
The same goes for boosting Sebastian's 3rd skill. I currently get 122% extra pure damage for his 3rd skill. If Sebastian is getting a physical attack boost from Nebula, then his 3rd skill will magnify as well. If I add that 121k physical attack boost, then I get a 266% increase in pure damage.
With Cornelius, all of Nebula's physical attack boosts could have a HUGE affect when Cornelius uses his first skill Heavy Wisdom. The massive points are scored when Cornelius has a critical hit (and then Albus giving pure damage bonus after). If OSH's intelligence level is 75k (I know it's slightly higher), then you get extra damage per 100 points of intelligence. So 75k/100 = 7500. So let's say your Nebula has granted just 20k physical attack boost at the moment you fire off Cornelius. You multiply that by 10% for the Heavy Wisdom attack (and you get 2000 more damage in that first skill). 2000 (Heavy Wisdom) x 7500 (Osh intelligence x 10%) equals a 150 million additional damage. If the hit goes critical, then it's a massive pure damage of 300 million. And if you time it with Albus, it's going to one shot OSH overall.
As I said before, I haven't done the math on the critical hit chance increase with Jet, but I wouldn't think he helps that much overall. His artifact weapon gives an armor boost, so that's nice if you have trouble surviving. That's about it. Jhu would seem to be better than Jet just because his artifact weapon provides crit hit increase.
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2. I do agree that nebula or Jhu or celeste are better than jet as a damage buff. But the armor artifact from jet make the team is more or less safe from meteors, making it more consistent, since the team is very rng heavy already and requires everybody alive to work (unlike traditional team would still work if say, nebula is down) you wouldn't want any mishappen. Also the passive nature of jet's crit buff means seb's battle song always work. If you rely on jhu or seb's artifact crit buff, the battle song might be casted when the buffs are off, missing cornelius. If cornelius is not affected by battle song then he is not affected by seb's 3rd skill either.
Btw Nebula boosting phys atk do help isaac/sebastian but doesn't help cornelius, because cornelius skill while being physical, is based on cornelius magic attack.
Another thing, 75k/100 = 750, not 7500.
3rd thing, I'm pretty sure all of the buffs only count when the rock make impact, not when cornelius is casting.
@@dialkia4601 First, thank you for correcting my math. Also, I thought about Nebula not buffing Cornelius yesterday, although with Nebula's Ascension skill when using Astral Projection. The Astral Balance Projection kicks in and would that not be added to Cornelius? She is already buffing one teammate (either Isaac or Sebastian), and when she uses ultimate, it helps out 2 more teammates. Cornelius is closer than Martha, so Cornelius would get a buff (magic attack buff, which I think I used physical attack buff in my math). So there would be 3 teammates buffed when Nebula uses her ultimate because of the
Also, I thought about the battle song as well. It cools down every 7 seconds, so I though by running Jhu manually, you could make sure you set off Jhu in time (although this makes it harder to do, but it would still be better result if you get your timing right). What do you think about that?
@@jek4837 right. As i mentioned i do agree nebula or jhu would be better damage buff than jet (or celeste too since she can do 2x mAttack artifact buff) It's just that they are harder to execute.
Nebula's astral projection buff i'm not sure if it is guaranteed on cornelius. It would be about 10% bonus to cornelius's Heavy wisdom base damage (20k m.Atk would be adding 2k to his ~18k). Her buff would mainly benefit sebastian though (33k p.Atk just from artifact, and like 150k p.Atk if her orb is on seb, making, that's adding ~40% or ~180% to sebastian's pure damage bonus, which is massive considering sebatian' base bonus is only like 140%). I already count patronage, but it's only a rough estimation.
I keep mentioning Celeste since she would give 2x50k mAtk buff, that's 10k adding to cornelius's 18k base, that's more than nebula unless nebula's auto attack is on seb. She can stay heal mode the whole time too. She's also the best if there is no crit but that's not the point of this team xD She and nebula both face the problem of hard to maintain (and low) crit buff.
I agree Jhu as a crit buffer is pretty easy to maintain battle song in manual, since he is fast (esp with martha). His crit buff is also higher than jet. He also do some damage himself, since while there isnt a nebula, it's still the best setup for him. (He'd suck in a second team since not enough ap and no sebastian). The problem is that isaac and seb can die to meteors easier since martha is the only healer/armor artifact.
I guess nebula is the most high-risk-high-reward if we happen to get everything right. And jhu can be the most consistent since his crit buff is the best.
@@jek4837 we get about 5-6 cornelius ult per run. The 4 heroes martha/cornelius/seb/isaac are non-negotiable. Assuming everything maxed and ~25% morale, if the 4th member is:
jet: crit chance ~30% Damage without crit ~110m. 1 crit is worth 360m (33m crit, ~110m seb damage, ~220m albus damage)
jhu: crit chance ~40% Damage without crit ~160-200m (because jhu). 1 crit is worth 360m
nebula: crit chance ~25% (but had to time seb ult -> battle song -> corn ult for crit) Damage without crit ~120m. 1 crit is worth 500-800m
celeste: crit chance ~25% (but had to time seb ult -> battle song -> corn ult for crit) Damage without crit ~180m. 1 crit is worth 570m
ganji (the youtuber who made the 503m video) recently posted a 948m run with jhu. cornelius crit 3 times but the last time is at the end so albus didnt manage to hit in time so he missed out ~220m.
Watching your teammate, it also looks like what happened with my guildmate. They are starting ulti-ing with Isaac too soon. You have to delay his ults so the first doesn't fade before the 4th arrives. Let them all come at once faster, even if you have a higher level Isaac. And in the other video, he waits even longer so Martha ults as well, and can get another ult from Isaac because of the speed boost. If they start too soon, they stack, but the timing of the first fades out. It is a unique timing strategy
This one also has his artifact weapon leveled too high, just like I do :(
That’s probably true. But it’ll help to not use Sebastian ult at all, so there are no crits, and to wait to get as many off at once as possible. Might only get 3 or 4 but better than trailing off at 2 possibly 1
My Isaac is short of fully ascended and I left there intentionally, but I leveled only his weapon art to get him around 42k ArP. Multiply that x4 and you get 168k ArP with 4 buffs up. That's full ArP for even Cornelius with zero. My Cornelius wasn't big enough to try last week because of lower health (I'd try to get him as close to 500k health with as much armor as you can get on him so Martha can keep him alive during shower). But 4x ArP buffs and the classic team was easy to get around 140mil without much effort and I was still using Axel because I wasn't sure my not-quite-maxed team would survive at the stage I hit it from (160 but the color bar was already at half purple/yellow and I wasn't paying attention to what the multiplier stopped at). I'll try an Albus run this week (my axel and albus are both maxed), but I'll likely hold off on Corn until the following week when he feels like he'll survive a meteor shower.
Where is that's person's video? (not in the description yet) I've seen a video where it's only Jhu for Cornelius swap.... but not changing Nebula for Jet too. Thanks for posting this.
I’ll add it to
@@HeroWarsCentral still waiting for the add?
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I've decided not to promote this youtuber.
i dont see any links in the description for the other channel you're referring to
I could be wrong, but it looks like Yggdrasil scored a couple of smaller critical hits on the spheres (or were those on Osh?). Not sure if that's because of Jet's skill or because of Seb's alt. If' it's because of Seb, then there's a possibility of Isaac not killing the spheres as quickly and charging faster on manual mode. He could still end up clearing the spheres before the fifth ult and t's way more work than auto mode with Jhu.
He likely reran the fight in auto because it didnt' do well first time through
keep up the good work ,and thank you
Hey Charlie thanx a lot for your videos, most of my knowledge about the game is from you. Could you be more specific about how to get the heroes to these levels (what to not max)
Original vid isn't linked in the description yet, any idea when that will happen?
I've decided not to promote this youtuber.
Feel free to offer constructive criticism on the following post
so with the new Cosh meta some good heroes are free for other tems -if its the variant without Jhu, then Faf/Julius/Jhu/Qing Mao/Keira could have potential.
Or, the other one with no Seb could allow Faf/Julius/Jhu/Seb/Qing Mao.
I think this should work: Julius gives a constant speedup after he shields and when main shield is destroyed he also heals the tem/Qing Mao does some DMG and provides pierce + armor reduction/Faf will give DMG boost after ulting, he also has an armor artifact to help against the meteors/if Seb is available with Jhu then there are 3 crit artifacts in this tem.
I don't know if its viable, but I've been using Kayla/Aidan/Gala/Faf/Julius vs 115 and 125 Osh and the DMG is consistent: 1.5M vs 115/1M vs 125 (obviously its low power or I would do more)
My guild just finally beat Osh 160 a couple of weeks ago and yeah, that metric seems far gone with most teams doing much less damage. Thanks for the info.
Thanks Charlie
so would this team be "ROFL OSH?"
I thought he retired at #1?
Sorry friend but you are giving bad info the first wave spheres and shower meteor don't count so only need be focus on kill spheres faster to make Isaac survive first round of sphere and shower meteor and also hold Albus ulty so the first real big try of damage come in the second wave of spheres that all heroes should have energy loaded for cast ulty so need count 5 utly Isaac and use the rest heroes ulty and the same will happen on the 4 wave of spheres and and second shower meteor it is around 1 minute 08 second for the third try around second 40 and last one on second 5 to 8 (strategy with Cornelious)
Lets bring osh to mobile lol
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